nekom: Maybe it's just me, but there's something I don't quite trust about that source. hmmm.

American, Russian, and now Chinese historians?

You get caught committing a felony while in office, you pay the price.

One felony? You're being too kind to the man who bombed two countries against the specific direction of Congress; laundered millions of campaign dollars; oversaw the breakins at Ellsberg's psychiatrist office and Watergate; wiretapped political opponents; and destroyed evidence. Forgive me if I've missed a few dozen others.

Delawheredad: I find this story plausible. Nixon's presidency was the most complex in history. What really sank Nixon was the fact that he had the charisma of a sump pump. Had he a people personality like Clinton or Reagan he would have skated through Watergate.

Truth. Never understood the demonizing he received post resignation, it was a national embarrassment is probably why, but he did a lot of really good things beforehand. Why must the most effective politicians always succumb to dirty politics?

/q&d

Delawheredad: I find this story plausible. Nixon's presidency was the most complex in history. What really sank Nixon was the fact that he had the charisma of a sump pump. Had he a people personality like Clinton or Reagan he would have skated through Watergate.

He'd have skated through Watergate if he'd have been wise enough to say, "John, Bob, John, Gordon, you're all fired." in the summer of 1972.

I built a bridge but nobody calls me a bridgemaker, etc etc etc,

But fark ONE sheep, and they call you sheepfarker

Hmmm...this seems to indicate that Nixon believed in the checkboard theory rather then the domino theory.

Watch Russia jump to Iran's defense the same way, after Iran nukes Israel.

TheTeethoftheTiger: Truth. Never understood the demonizing he received post resignation, it was a national embarrassment is probably why, but he did a lot of really good things beforehand. Why must the most effective politicians always succumb to dirty politics?

All politicians play dirty politics. We just forgive the ones who can look and/or talk pretty.

So he saved Russia from committing one of the classic blunders (land war in Asia)

In other news, Walmart has declared Richard Nixon their official mascot.

"I got both fingers up there, can you believe that?"

tinyarena: But one thing I can say for sure,
if he told you he was going to nuke you, you'd believe him.

Here's the thing about nuclear deterrence though.
You don't have to convince the other guy that you will nuke him.
You just have to convince him you *might*.

I hate Nixon. Hate him with a passion. Nixon killed my father. Well, he hurt him bad. Really hurt his feelings. It's a long story.

"...I'll sell your childrens organs to zoos for meat!"

Omni:

Milk fund. ITT. WoD. . .

Hello! I am just listening to this record with my wife and our au-pair and I'd like to say how shocked we are that a pleasant collection of Norwegian folk songs should be turned into an excuse for communist propaganda of the shoddiest kind. What's gone wrong with the world? I can't even take a bath without 6 or 7 communists jumping in with me. They're in my shirt cupboard and Brezhnev and Kosygin are in the kitchen now eating my wife's jam. Oh, they're climbing up my legs! I can see them peeping out of my wife's blouse! Why doesn't Mr. Maudling do something about it before it is to late? Ohhhh....God...

President Richard Nixon was also apparently fearful of the effect of a nuclear war on 250,000 US troops stationed in the Asia-Pacific region and still smarting from a Soviet refusal five years earlier to stage a joint attack on China's nascent nuclear programme.

This is a WFT. First time I've heard of it.

clovis69: Dancin_In_Anson: Interesting artcle. I wonder if anyone will bother to look into the veracity of it.

This has been common knowledge in FR and IR studies for about twenty years. I've come across it in undergrand and grad school studies in nuclear policy, the Vietnam war and Chinese studies.

Funny how this "common knowledge" doesn't filter down to the plebs. Even those of us who like to think of ourselves as reasonably well informed.

Al_Ed: I bet Nixon didn't bow to Brezhnev.



I don't think bowing is a greeting convention in Russia - but here's a picture of him bowing to Hirohito.
Without a pancake on his head.

jso2897: Al_Ed: I bet Nixon didn't bow to Brezhnev.



I don't think bowing is a greeting convention in Russia - but here's a picture of him bowing to Hirohito.
Without a pancake on his head.

Dammit, I want waffles.

Excellent book. Really a little too harsh on Nixon if that's even possible. Somehow he manages to put some new deviltry of Dick's on every single page. Whenever I'm waxing nostalgic for Dick's deft foreign policy maneuvers I like to reread this for a little balance.

/as mentioned before in this thread, Hunter S. Thompson's Nixon Eulogy FTW

Dancin_In_Anson: clovis69: This has been common knowledge in FR and IR studies for about twenty years. I've come across it in undergrand and grad school studies in nuclear policy, the Vietnam war and Chinese studies.

Cool. First I have heard about it. Why cover China's ass though? Potential adversary to the Soviets? Mao wasn't much better.

You're kidding, right? That wasn't about covering China's ass, it was about keeping those 2 dogs fighting at their mutual fence for the benefit of the rest of the world. Every history class I ever took taught that Stalin had more people killed under him in his short tenure than anyone else in recorded history up to that point, and he only lost his championship belt to Mao, whose policies were ultimately responsible for the deaths of even more people than Stalin ever dreamed of having killed - the only asses the USA was covering was its own and, indirectly, everyone else's.

I banged your sister: Snapper Carr: "Two hits. I hit you. You hit the floor"

Nixon: 2 in the pink, 1 in the stink...

"You can't lick Dick."

1stgenwhtrash: Excellent book. Really a little too harsh on Nixon if that's even possible. Somehow he manages to put some new deviltry of Dick's on every single page. Whenever I'm waxing nostalgic for Dick's deft foreign policy maneuvers I like to reread this for a little balance.

/as mentioned before in this thread, Hunter S. Thompson's Nixon Eulogy FTW

Just think of the phrases "a plan to end the war and win the peace" and "Peace with honor". That will balance you out quicker.

...according to a Chinese historian.

I don't want to cast doubts on his claim in this instance, but he's also the guy who claimed Mao invented break dancing.

trippdogg: ...according to a Chinese historian.

I don't want to cast doubts on his claim in this instance, but he's also the guy who claimed Mao invented break dancing.

That's insane! Mao didn't invent break dancing.


Everybody knows that it was Kim Jong Il.

Fark USSR and China!

Dancin_In_Anson: clovis69: This has been common knowledge in FR and IR studies for about twenty years. I've come across it in undergrand and grad school studies in nuclear policy, the Vietnam war and Chinese studies.

Cool. First I have heard about it. Why cover China's ass though? Potential adversary to the Soviets? Mao wasn't much better.

China was still relatively backward, and remember...the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and China and the USSR were in a little Socialist vs. Maoist "my idea is better" shooting war.

FlashHarry: nixon was a RINO. he was protecting communists! plus he established the libtard EPA and signed the socialist clean air act! he was a balrog HUSSEIN fartbongo in sheep's clothing!!!

Oh shiat, I lol'd hard.

Philip Francis Queeg: 1stgenwhtrash: Excellent book. Really a little too harsh on Nixon if that's even possible. Somehow he manages to put some new deviltry of Dick's on every single page. Whenever I'm waxing nostalgic for Dick's deft foreign policy maneuvers I like to reread this for a little balance.

/as mentioned before in this thread, Hunter S. Thompson's Nixon Eulogy FTW

Just think of the phrases "a plan to end the war and win the peace" and "Peace with honor". That will balance you out quicker.

A secret plan mind you.

A hot news flash?
During 69, Russians acknowledge considering Chinese takeout.
/Upon delivery, the Russians would over nuke it anyway.

Omnivorous: You get caught committing a felony while in office, you pay the price.

One felony? You're being too kind to the man who bombed two countries against the specific direction of Congress; laundered millions of campaign dollars; oversaw the breakins at Ellsberg's psychiatrist office and Watergate; wiretapped political opponents; and destroyed evidence. Forgive me if I've missed a few dozen others.

He cheated on his taxes and used the IRS to harass some of his many enemies. The impeachment committee specifically declined to include the tax evasion as a grounds for impeachment because it wasn't an abuse of office. But using the IRS to harass political enemies WAS.

NikkiPoooo

Corrections noted.

Thank you

Dancin_In_Anson: Interesting artcle. I wonder if anyone will bother to look into the veracity of it.

I can make stuff up too.

Did you guys know Walt Rampingham, then news agent in NY, overheard the secretary of state at the time say that North Korea was aiming to join forces with Brazil to overthrow the Swedish government?

Those were interesting times (pop stationed out at March AFB, had my own `dog'-ID tags - two, you know? Wondered if I wouldn't melt away like the wax from the armatures in Vincent Price's House of Wax - the glass eyeballs falling from the sockets worried me a bit...). I'm sure we've yet to hear the end of the stories about who shook their ICBM's/bombers when/where and at whom.

Nixon, Nixon, Nixon. Should have never let Howard Hughes finance his brother. I keep imagining him sitting in the Oval office with a drink in his hand, staring at Bob and John, ruminating about Larry O'Brien not only heading up the Dems, but pulling down a $5000.00 a week retainer from Hughes - Nixon had to wonder what he knew (O'Brien was pretty good as a lobbyist, getting the tax code changed to benefit Hughes - one Conressman commenting "So, Mr. Hughes wants to pay Mr. Hughes, to pay Mr. Hughes").

/it was ugly, but there wasn't much confusion about which side of the wall one wanted to be on, or whether one was attracted or repelled by the ONE. But it was always riveting.

Dancin_In_Anson: Tony Baloney: You're kidding, right? That wasn't about covering China's ass, it was about keeping those 2 dogs fighting at their mutual fence for the benefit of the rest of the world. Every history class I ever took taught that Stalin had more people killed under him in his short tenure than anyone else in recorded history up to that point, and he only lost his championship belt to Mao, whose policies were ultimately responsible for the deaths of even more people than Stalin ever dreamed of having killed - the only asses the USA was covering was its own and, indirectly, everyone else's.

An exchange between the two could very well have been self correcting.

When you say "exchange" you mean of the nuclear variety, yes? I have no idea where China's nuke tech was at the time, but I have a feeling the Soviets wouldn't have even considered using nukes if they thought there would be a meaningful counter-strike.

"Mr. President, just say the word, and I'll fly over there in Lisa Marie and give that commie bastard a Judy Chop."

The Southern Dandy: "Mr. President, just say the word, and I'll fly over there in Lisa Marie and give that commie bastard a Judy Chop."

Is it photoshop or is Nixon tripping on acid in that picture?

DNRTFA, but I assume this has something to do with the Ussuri River conflict? I thought this was fairly well known.

I sorta remember the problems Russia and China had in 1969 (blame my mom for playing the CBC all the time at home). From what I remember of that time, this would not surprise me at all. I told my wife about this (she is 10 years older than I am) and she was totally unshocked.

I am not aware that this is now taught at IR/FR class. Would be interesting to read some sources on this whole time period now that more information is available.