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(Some Guy)   It turns out that BP had the wrong diagrams for the BOP they were using. Well, trying to use   (mcclatchydc.com) divider line 168
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2010-05-13 04:40:21 PM
EviLincoln: I still love the, "We'll put a bucket over it" approach.

I know it sounds silly, but from an engineering point of view it's the quick and dirty temporary fix to stop the bleeding until the relief well can seal it permanently. It's a pressure bandage, and the fastest thing that can be done. Sometimes pressure bandages don't work. The tourniquet was the blowout preventer, which didn't work.

/good fun being both an engineer with oil patch experience and a trained medical first responder : )
 
2010-05-13 04:40:26 PM
I heard clusterfark handed in it's resignation claiming it's no longer qualified.
 
2010-05-13 04:40:30 PM
gwydion56: BIE > BOP

Boobs on profile?
 
2010-05-13 04:41:40 PM
Well if it's BOP then they should be cleaning it since it's theirs.
 
2010-05-13 04:42:41 PM
Yep, this pretty much kills any support of ocean drilling from this point on. Way to go, BP.

On the flip side, fish oil should be in abundance.
 
2010-05-13 04:46:19 PM
djheater: Slaves2Darkness: HotWingConspiracy: I've been pitching my Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor to them for years. What am I doing wrong?

You need to rename it to something like Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor that Radically Attracts Petroleum at Extreme depths.

You said Petroleum twice. You must really like petroleum.

/yep, said it twice.


www.roflcat.com

/hot
 
2010-05-13 04:47:33 PM
error 303: Why is this the kind of device you would ever modify in the field anyway? I mean, it's really only designed to function one way, under one condition... did they add racing stripes and ground effects to it hoping it would go faster and look biatchin' while tearin' ass to the bottom of the ocean or something?

They probably swapped the VBR for the non-functional fake for the same reason plumbing contractors replace safety valves on water heaters with fake valves sealed with concrete... they can make small amounts of money selling the actual safety equipment to multiple customers, then simply not installing it and selling it to another customer. After all, as long as you don't need the safety equipment there's no harm in not having it, right? It's a victimless crime, no worse than shoplifting.
 
2010-05-13 04:48:33 PM
The Bestest: HotWingConspiracy: I've been pitching my Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor to them for years. What am I doing wrong?

Your logistics plan was likely unsound. Might I suggest shipments, 40 lbs at a time?


anandvrao.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-05-13 04:49:20 PM
You know, I've read lots of speculation by engineers and so forth who base their ideas on good industry practice and a BOP that is in good health. Now it seems that the BOP was farked up, and that the drillers omitted important things like doing a cement bond log, noticing a phantom pressure anomaly, hook weight, WOB, and mud flow rates that showed a kick was possible with plenty of lead time to do something about it.

.
 
2010-05-13 04:49:49 PM
Macinfarker: Yep, this pretty much kills any support of ocean drilling from this point on. Way to go, BP.


actually.. (new window)
 
2010-05-13 04:49:59 PM
What a BoP may look like:

static.wowhead.com

/nobody calls it "HoP", even after the name change
 
2010-05-13 04:50:49 PM
So they failed to activate the bore ram. Don't you just hate when that happens?
 
2010-05-13 04:51:22 PM
Martian_Astronomer: As an engineer, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

THIS

I work in the oil/gas industry and vendor drawings rarely display the stuff we actually get. We can mark up the drawings the way we want them to actually build the thing, but good luck ever getting a drawing showing the changes you want unless you draw it yourself. The vendors have their standard drawings and they aren't fond of actually having to change them.
 
2010-05-13 04:51:40 PM
HotWingConspiracy: I've been pitching my Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor to them for years. What am I doing wrong?

You could try extending the concept to the Asynchronous Super Sized Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor. It might be more efficient due to the tighter fit.
 
2010-05-13 04:51:48 PM
img214.imageshack.us
found at the scene
 
2010-05-13 04:53:41 PM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

NO! NOT THE BORE RAMS!
 
2010-05-13 04:56:41 PM
The Bestest: Macinfarker: Yep, this pretty much kills any support of ocean drilling from this point on. Way to go, BP.


actually.. (new window)


Yep. The Malaysian monkey Trap really works.
Primates are stupid, and stubborn.
 
2010-05-13 04:58:11 PM
I like how they didn't have the right diagram for something they modified, that's awesome.
 
2010-05-13 04:59:23 PM
Barnstormer: HotWingConspiracy: I've been pitching my Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor to them for years. What am I doing wrong?

You could try extending the concept to the Asynchronous Super Sized Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor. It might be more efficient due to the tighter fit.


I'll have the boys in engineering get in touch with you. All of the women on the team are cowering in the corner for some reason.
 
2010-05-13 05:00:30 PM
k4mi: The vendors have their standard drawings and they aren't fond of actually having to change them.

That sounds like work.
 
2010-05-13 05:02:49 PM
WASHINGTON - In the days after an oil well spun out of control in the Gulf of Mexico...

Journalism fail
 
2010-05-13 05:02:52 PM
Der Poopflinger: I like how they didn't have the right diagram for something they modified, that's awesome.

I don't think modified is the correct term here. Until good information is available I will assume someone just configured it incorrectly.
 
2010-05-13 05:03:47 PM
BOE > BOP
/farking ninjas



Classic.

/desperate
//pathetic, too!
 
2010-05-13 05:10:14 PM
ne2d: My family's business makes BOP hoses, among other things. For about a week or so we didn't know whether it was our hose that had failed. That was fun.

/csb


I predict that you'll be sued regardless.
 
2010-05-13 05:11:14 PM
I wonder if Rick Perry still thinks this is an "act of God"; unless he was referring to stupidity being the referred to "act".
 
2010-05-13 05:13:03 PM
Tymast: found at the scene

But I have Skill Focus! And all the aid bonuses! C'mon, gimme a chance!.
 
2010-05-13 05:14:23 PM
B-b-b-but it's the green turrists that gave them the rong diagram!!
 
2010-05-13 05:20:26 PM
BlippityBleep: B-b-b-but it's the green turrists that gave them the rong diagram!!

That it was provided by Fatbama!.
 
2010-05-13 05:21:22 PM
Poppa Boner: Someone gave me sh*t in another thread when said the people responsible for this should be jailed. YEAH F*CK THAT!!!

That would have been me. I was giving you shiat because you jumped to an emotional response without having all of the facts. Now that we are getting facts about what went wrong we can start to intelligently think about any punishment that may be applicable. But, I still say that unless specific laws or regulations have been broken no one should go to jail.
 
2010-05-13 05:22:14 PM
k4mi: Martian_Astronomer: As an engineer, this does not surprise me in the slightest.

THIS

I work in the oil/gas industry and vendor drawings rarely display the stuff we actually get. We can mark up the drawings the way we want them to actually build the thing, but good luck ever getting a drawing showing the changes you want unless you draw it yourself. The vendors have their standard drawings and they aren't fond of actually having to change them.


I realize the danger of overregulation and inspectors who care more about the books of regulations then safety and practicality, but dammit, on something this important, the diagrams should be required to accurately represent what actually exists. That is why they exist so those who use them can know what is really there quickly and accurately.

If you don't know what you got, everything is for not. And no matter how much regulation or how little and no matter how careful you think you are...you are in a mine field.

Damn it, it is like that Mars probe where one team used SI units and another used English units which would have presumably been prevented by clear documentation but instead resulted in a total loss.
 
2010-05-13 05:25:07 PM
JH3675: Poppa Boner: Someone gave me sh*t in another thread when said the people responsible for this should be jailed. YEAH F*CK THAT!!!

That would have been me. I was giving you shiat because you jumped to an emotional response without having all of the facts. Now that we are getting facts about what went wrong we can start to intelligently think about any punishment that may be applicable. But, I still say that unless specific laws or regulations have been broken no one should go to jail.




Oh, good. You guys found each other again.
 
2010-05-13 05:28:14 PM
I'll give them THREE MORE CHANCES to cap the pipe, and then I'm going to turn them into A GOON!!!

/or shoot them with my Bop Gun
 
2010-05-13 05:28:18 PM
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: You know, I've read lots of speculation by engineers and so forth who base their ideas on good industry practice and a BOP that is in good health. Now it seems that the BOP was farked up, and that the drillers omitted important things like doing a cement bond log, noticing a phantom pressure anomaly, hook weight, WOB, and mud flow rates that showed a kick was possible with plenty of lead time to do something about it.

.


And now BP can now sue Transocean. At any point someone could have used Stop Work Authority and shut down the entire job. Folks this is why most companies encourage use of Stop Work in the oil field. It saves lives and money. BP and Transocean are officially screwed. Dump stock now.
 
2010-05-13 05:30:27 PM
MorePeasPlease: JH3675: Poppa Boner: Someone gave me sh*t in another thread when said the people responsible for this should be jailed. YEAH F*CK THAT!!!

That would have been me. I was giving you shiat because you jumped to an emotional response without having all of the facts. Now that we are getting facts about what went wrong we can start to intelligently think about any punishment that may be applicable. But, I still say that unless specific laws or regulations have been broken no one should go to jail.



Oh, good. You guys found each other again.


It's the fight that keeps on giving.
 
2010-05-13 05:32:25 PM
mynameist: I don't think modified is the correct term here. Until good information is available I will assume someone just configured it incorrectly.

I'll give you that, but I'd bet it was modified
 
2010-05-13 05:34:32 PM
"'This catastrophe appears to have been caused by a calamitous series of equipment and operational failures' said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif."

weaselzippers.us

Is there anything he can't do?
 
2010-05-13 05:35:50 PM
HotWingConspiracy: I've been pitching my Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor to them for years. What am I doing wrong?

something about the name just seems wrong... may be if you say it twice they might like it ...
/Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor, Really Awesome Petroleum Extractor
//like it better already
 
2010-05-13 05:38:49 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: And now BP can now sue Transocean. At any point someone could have used Stop Work Authority and shut down the entire job.

You know what was odd--the other night I was reading something at Rigzone, in which oilfield people were posting what they would have as a "to do" list for a cap and abandon. The consensus seemed to be that twenty hours after cementing (now discovered to be 16 1/2) was not enough time to carefully prepare the well.

People were posting their versions of a to-do list, including a very detailed one by some guy in Kuwait, when the refresh failed to load--the article was taken down.
.
 
2010-05-13 05:38:57 PM
jmadisonbiii: "'This catastrophe appears to have been caused by a calamitous series of equipment and operational failures' said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif."



Is there anything he can't do?


I want to feed him a piece of cheese...
 
2010-05-13 05:41:21 PM
I wonder how many BOPs are out there waiting to be tested in their 'failsafe' capabilities with the wrong documentation.
 
2010-05-13 05:42:06 PM
Video of what BOP might look like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3jK5dA-jug
 
2010-05-13 05:44:12 PM
LousyTourist: Does anyone ever say 'Gee, everything was fine until I pushed that big red button over there....'

In this case, it should be "Gee, everything was fine after I pushed that big red button over there."
 
2010-05-13 05:44:47 PM
so does this mean they know who put the BOP in the BOPSUBOPADOP?
 
2010-05-13 05:45:19 PM
Wouldn't have mattered anyway, it's just this one long story about this guy named Manuel.
 
2010-05-13 05:48:34 PM
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: globalwarmingpraiser: And now BP can now sue Transocean. At any point someone could have used Stop Work Authority and shut down the entire job.

You know what was odd--the other night I was reading something at Rigzone, in which oilfield people were posting what they would have as a "to do" list for a cap and abandon. The consensus seemed to be that twenty hours after cementing (now discovered to be 16 1/2) was not enough time to carefully prepare the well.

People were posting their versions of a to-do list, including a very detailed one by some guy in Kuwait, when the refresh failed to load--the article was taken down.
.


Trust me, if you are familiar with the of shore industry you are talking about this. A little secret, several of your majors will have no problems as they already exceed what is required by MMS. Since I wasn't online earlier, there had been an increase in MMS visits in the Gulf prior to the Deepwater Horizon's incident. My bet it Transocean might be selling off a lt of equipment soon. Watch Hercules Offshore as well. They might decide to make the jump to deepwater.
 
2010-05-13 05:53:29 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: My bet it Transocean might be selling off a lt of equipment soon. Watch Hercules Offshore as well. They might decide to make the jump to deepwater.

The sad part is, they'll need experienced project managers, operators, and engineers to run their newly-expanded operations. Guess where those people will come from...
 
2010-05-13 05:56:12 PM
One thing always makes me wonder here.

Now it seems that the BOP was farked up, and that the drillers omitted important things like doing a cement bond log, noticing a phantom pressure anomaly, hook weight, WOB, and mud flow rates that showed a kick was possible with plenty of lead time to do something about it.

Look at all these things that happened, when combined, caused this mess. I fail to believe every other rig out there is running perfectly with none of these problems, and that this rig was chock full of dumbasses. How many other rigs do they not know if the BOP is functional? How many other ones have they sucked out the mud too soon? How many other ones did they do a rush job with the cement? How many other ones essentially failed the safety checks and they decided to go with it anyway?

I'm still wondering, from the previous thread, what happens a month from now when the first hurricane plows through that area and starts dumping contaminated water all over the southeast US. They're still saying it'll be about two months, right? That puts us right into hurricane season.
 
2010-05-13 05:56:18 PM
What if they lowered a giant metal spike that gradually tapers wider into the blown pipe, as long as it is heavy enough to overcome the flow upward, wouldn't that seal the pipe? You could probably even do a small controlled explosion to drive it further into the hole once it goes as far as gravity will take it. Like driving a pile.

Give the round hole the round peg, or something...
 
2010-05-13 05:56:58 PM
Lenny_da_Hog: globalwarmingpraiser: My bet it Transocean might be selling off a lt of equipment soon. Watch Hercules Offshore as well. They might decide to make the jump to deepwater.

The sad part is, they'll need experienced project managers, operators, and engineers to run their newly-expanded operations. Guess where those people will come from...


A lot of good people, plus they will take people from their Jack-Up division.
 
2010-05-13 05:59:06 PM
at least this rig had disconnected from the well

Link (new window)
 
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