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(Network World)   Facebook using the Bush defense on privacy issues   (networkworld.com) divider line 157
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2010-05-10 11:00:12 AM  
Facebook knows what kind of underwear you are wearing RIGHT NOW.
 
2010-05-10 11:07:46 AM  
LittleBlondeJug: Facebook knows what kind of underwear you are wearing RIGHT NOW.

Hah joke's on them cause I'm not wearing any!
 
2010-05-10 11:15:40 AM  
Facebook only knows what you let it know.
 
2010-05-10 11:16:43 AM  
LittleBlondeJug: Facebook knows what kind of underwear you are wearing RIGHT NOW.

My favorite pair. You know the ones. They have the skidmark stains on the back that look kind-of like Jesus.
 
2010-05-10 11:59:31 AM  
So Cheney is a wookiee? ..IT ALL MAKES SENSE
 
2010-05-10 12:12:57 PM  
Here's the thing. I put up a lot of my information in 2004. At the time I put it up there was a very, very different expectation of privacy. Same goes for a lot of my photos being put up around 2006 or so, while there was still a much different expectation of privacy.

So stuff I put up under past terms of service has never given me an "opt out" when the rules change. At no point have I ever gotten a "we've changed our Terms of Service, would you prefer to just delete everything you had up that is impacted?" Instead I go on to find that they made all their changes default to public.

So not only do I not get the option of deleting rather than going along, I find out that in the timespan between when they made the change and the next time I sign in, all my stuff has been made public rather than the setting I placed it on when it was uploaded.
 
2010-05-10 01:44:39 PM  
Thoguh: Here's the thing. I put up a lot of my information in 2004. At the time I put it up there was a very, very different expectation of privacy. Same goes for a lot of my photos being put up around 2006 or so, while there was still a much different expectation of privacy.

This is my biggest gripe with it. They've been using a bait-n-switch privacy policy and ignoring user feedback.
 
2010-05-10 02:21:10 PM  
YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?
 
2010-05-10 02:23:03 PM  
I'm amazed no one has taken advantage of Facebook's screwups to create the universally-accepted alternative...you know, similar to Facebook, minus all the cheap money-grubbing BS.
 
2010-05-10 02:23:16 PM  
You mean that a lifetime of substance abuse, bullying and over-indulged failure is ok if you claim to love Jesus?
 
2010-05-10 02:23:49 PM  
Thoguh: Here's the thing. I put up a lot of my information in 2004. At the time I put it up there was a very, very different expectation of privacy. Same goes for a lot of my photos being put up around 2006 or so, while there was still a much different expectation of privacy.

So stuff I put up under past terms of service has never given me an "opt out" when the rules change. At no point have I ever gotten a "we've changed our Terms of Service, would you prefer to just delete everything you had up that is impacted?" Instead I go on to find that they made all their changes default to public.

So not only do I not get the option of deleting rather than going along, I find out that in the timespan between when they made the change and the next time I sign in, all my stuff has been made public rather than the setting I placed it on when it was uploaded.



t1.gstatic.com
 
2010-05-10 02:24:32 PM  
SuperCatBarf: I'm amazed no one has taken advantage of Facebook's screwups to create the universally-accepted alternative...you know, similar to Facebook, minus all the cheap money-grubbing BS.

They call that real life. Get out of your basement sometime and check it out.
 
2010-05-10 02:24:52 PM  
The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

If only someone would have told me! *sobs*
 
2010-05-10 02:25:02 PM  
SuperCatBarf: I'm amazed no one has taken advantage of Facebook's screwups to create the universally-accepted alternative...you know, similar to Facebook, minus all the cheap money-grubbing BS.

It's only a matter of time. Facebook is already suffering from the bloat that killed myspace. There's just fewer glittery backgrounds.
 
2010-05-10 02:26:28 PM  
Here's an idea: Don't put private sh*t on social networking sites.
Problem solved.
 
2010-05-10 02:26:36 PM  
I gutted my facebook profile a the other week, but this alone should be enough to get a lot of people to think about canceling.

LittleBlondeJug: Facebook knows what kind of underwear you are wearing RIGHT NOW.

Mine are brand new, never been worn or washed. Hell, they even have a crease.

And they will never be this clean again.

The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

The point is that when you put the information up in the first place, the privacy policies were very, very different from now.

It's not that hard to understand that retroactively changing your privacy policy without any ability to opt-out (I can't list a favorite movie without 'sharing' it with companies, for example) might piss some people off.
 
2010-05-10 02:28:05 PM  
The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

My thoughts exactly. It's friggin' FREE... I'm not sure how the user of a free service considers themselves a "customer," or why they think they deserve anything different than the "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" response.

/Facebook user
//could not possibly care less who knows my birthday or who sees my vacation photos
 
2010-05-10 02:28:16 PM  
The Angry Hand of God
YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?


YOU MEAN YOU HAVE A TENUOUS GRASP OF THE SITUATION?
 
2010-05-10 02:28:52 PM  
www.teamteabag.com
 
2010-05-10 02:29:51 PM  
busy chillin': The Angry Hand of God
YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

YOU MEAN YOU HAVE A TENUOUS GRASP OF THE SITUATION?


LOUD NOISES!
 
2010-05-10 02:30:57 PM  
The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

Exactly. A tinfoil wearing facebook friend of mine posted this huge warning about security on Facebook and I said to him "Oh no, someone will know I have had a bad day at work!"
 
2010-05-10 02:31:00 PM  
LittleBlondeJug: Facebook knows what kind of underwear you are wearing RIGHT NOW.

Since FB is blocked from our server, why don't you just tell us what kind of underwear you're wearing.
 
2010-05-10 02:31:24 PM  
Never used facebook myself, and haven't really explored it, but seems to me I'm hearing a lot of complaints about it recently. It'll be funny when it goes the way of myspace and the douchebag who runs it has to spend the rest of his life regretting the decision not to sell at it's height.
 
2010-05-10 02:31:27 PM  
As others have pointed out, it's not the lack of privacy that's the problem per se, it's the bait and switch. People put their information on Facebook originally because it was much safer and more private than say, Myspace, but now Facebook is retroactively changing the rules and not giving people much choice in the matter. Yes, putting anything online that you might be embarrassed about is stupid, but that doesn't mean Facebook isn't being at least a little bit evil.

Most people won't care, though.
 
2010-05-10 02:32:08 PM  
I'm just excited for the geo-location it'll be adding sometime this month. Sincerely hope that you have to opt-in for that particular "service."
 
2010-05-10 02:34:16 PM  
Let me guess. If you're not a terrorist you have nothing to fear, right?
 
2010-05-10 02:34:48 PM  
stuhayes2010: The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

Exactly. A tinfoil wearing facebook friend of mine posted this huge warning about security on Facebook and I said to him "Oh no, someone will know I have had a bad day at work!"


A friend I went to H.S. with actually put her cell phone # in her profile. I face-palmed.

/Then I called her.
 
2010-05-10 02:34:50 PM  
Right there in the EULA:

"we do not recall violating your privacy rights"
 
2010-05-10 02:34:57 PM  
I only use Facebook to post pictures in one place so my family and friends can see them. This saves me from having to send them out to 50 different people at once. I have no personal information other than pictures or videos on there.
 
2010-05-10 02:35:11 PM  
Ok I will say it...

I blame Bush
 
2010-05-10 02:36:03 PM  
Freak: It'll be funny when it goes the way of myspace and the douchebag who runs it has to spend the rest of his life regretting the decision not to sell at it's height.

Rupert Murdock is indeed a douche-bag.
 
2010-05-10 02:37:02 PM  
The retroactive opt out give away of people's previously private information is going to bite them in the arse. I hope this results in a blanket law that requires companies to gain your permission before they can change terms of service or contracts.
 
2010-05-10 02:37:11 PM  
stuhayes2010: The Angry Hand of God: YOU MEAN THAT THE STUFF I PUT ON A FREE WEBSITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE IS PUBLIC?

Exactly. A tinfoil wearing facebook friend of mine posted this huge warning about security on Facebook and I said to him "Oh no, someone will know I have had a bad day at work!"


Your point is well taken, but suppose it's your boss who see's you've had a bad day at work and takes the notion into his tiny little head that you're unhappy at your job as he goes down the list for the next wave of layoffs.
 
2010-05-10 02:37:17 PM  
EvilEgg: Facebook only knows what you your friends let it know about you.

FTFY
Try going to parties and hiding from the camera. For all you know your friends are chatting or putting up your info (not necessarily in a bad way), and thus facebook gets your info.

/b-b-but your friends suck etc
 
2010-05-10 02:38:29 PM  
stuhayes2010: www.teamteabag.com

I approve of this post.
 
2010-05-10 02:39:53 PM  
There is no privacy on the internet. Period. Get over it or get out.
 
2010-05-10 02:41:01 PM  
Here's an interactive chart (new window) showing how Facebook's ideas of user privacy has become weaker and weaker over the last few years.
 
2010-05-10 02:41:44 PM  
scarredforlife: There is no privacy on the internet. Period. Get over it or get out.

cdn3.knowyourmeme.com
 
2010-05-10 02:41:47 PM  
The silly thing about Facebook is that even when you set your profile to private, people can still see the pictures that you post in albums. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

/yea I stalk sometimes, what of it?
 
2010-05-10 02:42:24 PM  
FarkinginNC: I only use Facebook to post pictures in one place so my family and friends can see them. This saves me from having to send them out to 50 different people at once. I have no personal information other than pictures or videos on there.

So you would have no problem if I made copies of your photo albums and dropped them off at the library?

/think of the old printed photo albums, and putting them at the library for anyone to see. Would anyone do that? Why do it online for entire world to see?
 
2010-05-10 02:42:36 PM  
Just use facebook assuming that every little bit of information that you give it is going to be stored and public for all eternity. Don't feed it anything you wouldn't want everyone knowing.

It's not like its necessary, it can be useful, just have some common sense.
 
2010-05-10 02:42:53 PM  
Pair-o-Dice: Here's an idea: Don't put private sh*t on social networking sites.
Problem solved.


This. I don't understand why anyone would want to use Facebook. Why on earth would you put any of that stuff on the Internet even if it is marked as "private"?

Psst... there is no such thing as privacy on the Internet.
 
2010-05-10 02:43:12 PM  
Facebook seems to be filled with a load of low-intelligence right-wingers anyways so it should be a perfect fit.

I swear I have to mark as offensive another "I bet we can get a million imbeciles to like my ridiculous anti-Obama page" daily.
 
2010-05-10 02:44:42 PM  
The funny part is, most of the people who actually care about this stuff aren't informed enough to know it's happening. Sure, I'm enjoying the comments, but... Facebook will win this, and never miss a beat. I can't wait until they publish Facebook user comments from other websites. Maybe then, their users will realize there is a problem.


/yea, Facebook owns whatever content you're linked to, via your universal log-in.
 
2010-05-10 02:45:31 PM  
PanicAttack: This. I don't understand why anyone would want to use Facebook. Why on earth would you put any of that stuff on the Internet even if it is marked as "private"?

You mean you don't like knowing that Beth is having spaghetti for dinner and that Kim has a doctor's appointment in the morning? Or your teacher friends who count down the days until summer?
 
2010-05-10 02:45:43 PM  
meh, FB will be dead in a year or two anyway when people realize that users only post.

A. Meaningless crap
B. Emo B-S
C. Weekend plans
D. Emo B-S
E. Movie quotes
F. What obsure nonsense they "like"
 
NNH
2010-05-10 02:46:03 PM  
At the risk of sounding naive or stupid, why hasn't some entrepreneur created a subscription version of facebook? You know, one that charges a monthly fee and delivers banner ads and shiat but respects privacy and doesn't sell every bit of your info to the highest bidder?
 
2010-05-10 02:46:48 PM  
MountainClimber: Facebook seems to be filled with a load of low-intelligence right-wingers anyways so it should be a perfect fit.

I swear I have to mark as offensive another "I bet we can get a million imbeciles to like my ridiculous anti-Obama page" daily.


Facebook is now right wing? Damn Skippy.
 
2010-05-10 02:46:53 PM  
MountainClimber: Facebook seems to be filled with a load of low-intelligence right-wingers anyways so it should be a perfect fit.

I swear I have to mark as offensive another "I bet we can get a million imbeciles to like my ridiculous anti-Obama page" daily.


It's like the consciousness of dozens of mass-forwarded emails formed like Voltron and made a website.
 
2010-05-10 02:48:55 PM  
Orwell was wrong.

The Party doesn't need the telescreen to spy on the proles.


The proles do that willingly all by themselves.

Go on, keep spreading your personal information on social networking sites, you stupid, gullible, dumb little proles.
 
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