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(Some Guy)   Congressman Andre Carson (D-enial) calls the Tea Party "one of the largest threats to our internal security", apparently ahead of childhood obesity, drug runners, oil spills, hurricanes, uninsured people and Dancing with the Stars   (biggovernment.com) divider line 298
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2010-05-07 10:27:01 AM
Maybe it's because the Tea-partiers as a group have basically one and only one modus operandi: Get angry.

Get angry. Abandon reason. Abandon common sense. Abandon facts. Scream, whine, complain. Do anything to justify themselves. Praise to high heaven anyone who agrees with them, even if they're lying. Shout down anyone who disagrees.

And it just gets worse as pundits ramp up the rhetoric while the actual political narrative continues to go the opposite way. They'll become a threat when they finally get angry enough. We'll see if that happens.
 
2010-05-07 10:31:34 AM
Considering the entrenchment of the two-party system, the maintenance of the status quo to the exclusion of all else, the polarization of the political system, and the active move away from intelligent political awareness are some of the greatest threats to the continuation of the republic... I'm gonna have to say yes.
 
2010-05-07 10:33:18 AM
The Teabaggers are the greatest threat to internal security. A bunch of angry idiots, protesting problems they claim to have suddenly come about on January 20, 2009 as a pretext for their racism, who also have a tendency to get violent is the biggest internal security threat this nation has by far.
 
2010-05-07 10:39:46 AM
GAT_00: who also have a tendency to get violent

SEIU has a tendency to get violent. Are you also worried about them? Or maybe the amount of money funneled to politicians of all stripes? Or the fact that calling someone "racist" is being used to chill free speech?
 
2010-05-07 10:41:09 AM
I_C_Weener: GAT_00: who also have a tendency to get violent

SEIU has a tendency to get violent. Are you also worried about them? Or maybe the amount of money funneled to politicians of all stripes? Or the fact that calling someone "racist" is being used to chill free speech?


That's an impressive amount of fail and misdirection in just one post.
 
2010-05-07 10:42:32 AM
I think the Teabaggers are largely just a bunch of noisemakers. The real scary anti-government types may have some affinity with the Teabagger mentality, but they're not out there holding poorly-spelled signs. They're planning real damage.
 
2010-05-07 10:43:54 AM
I_C_Weener: Or the fact that calling someone "racist" is being used to chill free speech?

You're free to speak as racist as you like. I'm still going to call it racist.
 
2010-05-07 10:45:16 AM
Their rallies promote domestic terrorism, racism and fear mongering. There is not a single member who can articulate their goals.

When the Washington Post had the Head 'Bagger on a web chat, he did not give on fact or one proposal, he just talked about how Obama is a socialist who should really stop spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate.

Read this (new window)
 
2010-05-07 10:45:56 AM
I_C_Weener: Fast to rebut GAT_00's post, as it fits your "both sides are bad" narrative, but won't even touch mine?
 
2010-05-07 10:50:43 AM
what_now: Read this (new window)

That just got bookmarked and will be repeatedly propagated. He's regurgitating 100% talking points and sound bytes. There's not a single smidgen of substantive discourse in the entire transcript.

And the 'baggers claim we deride them because we don't understand them. The problem is that we understand them all too well. They're being led, and by the usual suspects.
 
2010-05-07 10:50:59 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: I_C_Weener: Fast to rebut GAT_00's post, as it fits your "both sides are bad" narrative, but won't even touch mine?

It was harder to go after yours, plus he gets really sore when anyone points out that the collection of racists are, in fact, racists.

Diogenes: You're free to speak as racist as you like. I'm still going to call it racist.

That would of course be freedom of speech. But Weener boy wants to suppress my freedom of speech in the name of freedom of speech. Teabagger logic is fun.
 
2010-05-07 10:51:07 AM
GAT_00: who also have a tendency to get violent

Do whut?
 
2010-05-07 10:53:16 AM
what_now: Read this (new window)

I read that earlier, but I was having trouble figuring out how to use it. Getting any of the Teabaggers to acknowledge any points made about it would be like getting a recalcitrant puppy to stop pissing on the floor by whacking it with a newspaper a lot. They will just dodge the point or ignore it, or claim the douchebag won the debate.
 
2010-05-07 10:54:18 AM
The Tea Party is fine, just make sure they've got their helmets on before they get off the bus, and watch out for sharp, pointy objects.
 
2010-05-07 10:57:30 AM
The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.
 
2010-05-07 10:58:12 AM
GAT_00: They will just dodge the point or ignore it, or claim the douchebag won the debate.

I hear the term "Liberal myths" or something like it alot down here in South Carolina. That by itself is enough for a teabagger to refute any and everything you say.
 
2010-05-07 11:00:55 AM
Sergeant Grumbles: I hear the term "Liberal myths" or something like it alot down here in South Carolina. That by itself is enough for a teabagger to refute any and everything you say.

From the link I posted:

Washington, D.C.: Judson -- Are you willing to admit that taxes have actually gone down for the vast majority of Americans under President Obama?

Judson Phillips
: No


When you ask someone if they will accept factual evidence over their vague feelings and they flat out refuse, you aren't dealing with people you can talk to.
 
2010-05-07 11:01:04 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: I_C_Weener: Fast to rebut GAT_00's post, as it fits your "both sides are bad" narrative, but won't even touch mine?

No, I agree with yours. Why don't you like a group who aren't part of the 2 party system, albeit clearly on the Republican side of the spectrum?

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: who also have a tendency to get violent

Do whut?


Well, there was that white guy who tried to blow up Times Square. And the one at the army base. And the DC snipers. And the abortion doctor killers. And the ones beating up protesters at rallies. And...wait a second...have there been any violent tea partiers? What am I missing?
 
2010-05-07 11:01:31 AM
lunchinlewis: The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.

Heed your own advice, dude.
 
2010-05-07 11:02:49 AM
GAT_00: It was harder to go after yours, plus he gets really sore when anyone points out that the collection of racists are, in fact, racists.

I can't prove it, but I suspect you have a small penis. Its true because I said it on the internet.
 
2010-05-07 11:05:26 AM
Diogenes: lunchinlewis: The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.

Heed your own advice, dude.


That's not advice, it's an opinion.
 
2010-05-07 11:11:15 AM
I_C_Weener: Why don't you like a group who aren't part of the 2 party system, albeit clearly on the Republican side of the spectrum?

Because they cheapen discourse and operate from a position of cultured ignorance. Because they pay lip service to the ideals they espouse at best. Because they are hypocrites, demonizing the very system from which they glean benefit.

I'm all for third parties, but this is a third party like the DPRK is a democracy. They're a front group for the GOP -- no more, no less. Dick f*cking Armey and FreedomWorks are bankrolling and organizing them, FFS.
 
2010-05-07 11:11:35 AM
I think my brain is bleeding... (new window)

This entire article just makes me fearful that the Tea Party is a growing political movement whose core beliefs are:

1) Cut taxes
2) End entitlements we personally don't use
3) No brown people except those that support us and have all their papers
4) Anything Rush says
 
2010-05-07 11:12:42 AM
Tea Party: "We want smaller government!"

Obama supporters. "Oh shiat. We can't say we want bigger and more government. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Don't raise taxes!"

Obama supporters: "Oh shiat. We can't say we want higher taxes. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!"

Obama supporters: Oh shiat. We can't say we want more deficit spending by the government. VIOLENT RACISTS!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2010-05-07 11:13:16 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: Considering the entrenchment of the two-party system, the maintenance of the status quo to the exclusion of all else, the polarization of the political system, and the active move away from intelligent political awareness are some of the greatest threats to the continuation of the republic... I'm gonna have to say yes.

That an Astoturf campaign that uses AEI fellows as "consultants" is called an "independent grassroots movement" and is designed to dun Congresscrittrs to tow the political line of a section of one party, and isn't called out as such by our media, I'd say that they were close. Or rather, the stunning lack of our 4th Estate doing their jobs and allowing this somewhat cynical and disingenuous use of people with griefs to proliferate, and even sponsor such nonsense is a real threat.

They are less a real threat, than a symptom of something deeply wrong in our politics. And that is a real threat to our republic. That folks can champion a line of rhetoric to defend the Constitution, and with every position that they take, they seek to undermine it, and NOT be called out for such, that is a terrible threat. That folks can openly champion a theocratic state and be called "patriotic" is a terrible threat. Folks that openly have disdain for our system of governance, and find that it impedes their agenda, and wave a flag to hide that disdain, and NOT being called out on that, it is a deep threat to our state.

The TEA Party is less a threat, than the folks who simply wave and cheer their idiocy. The TEA Party and their ilk are a symptom--and the folks who actively move to push this line, and the folks who tacitly accept these bald faced an patently Un-American lies, they are a far worse threat to the US and our governance than fifty idiots trying to blow up propane tanks in Times Square.

Not because they could get violent, but because the real threat is validating this ignorant and populist rhetoric that undermines the very republic and the Constitution.
 
2010-05-07 11:13:27 AM
lunchinlewis: Diogenes: lunchinlewis: The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.

Heed your own advice, dude.

That's not advice, it's an opinion.


Split a hair why don't you. It was implicit.
 
2010-05-07 11:13:40 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: I_C_Weener: Why don't you like a group who aren't part of the 2 party system, albeit clearly on the Republican side of the spectrum?

Because they cheapen discourse and operate from a position of cultured ignorance. Because they pay lip service to the ideals they espouse at best. Because they are hypocrites, demonizing the very system from which they glean benefit.

I'm all for third parties, but this is a third party like the DPRK is a democracy. They're a front group for the GOP -- no more, no less. Dick f*cking Armey and FreedomWorks are bankrolling and organizing them, FFS.


Read up on Sam Adams...he wasn't just a brewer, patriot and Revolutionary. He was drunken lout of a rabble rouser. It gives you perspective.
 
2010-05-07 11:16:32 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: They're a front group for the GOP -- no more, no less.

I love this point. They can't articulate anything other than anger, and are clearly part of a covert GOP strategy of well thought out plans. It reeks of Bush is an idiot that outsmarted us constantly.

Yes, they aren't a third party, but they aren't GOP either. They aren't astroturfed. Not sure what they are, since each smaller group of them is different than the next. But go ahead, belittle them. Talking down to people usually gets them to see your side of things don't you think?
 
2010-05-07 11:18:29 AM
I'm more concerned with a zombie uprising than I am a TEA Party lynch mob running around.
 
2010-05-07 11:19:47 AM
Diogenes: lunchinlewis: Diogenes: lunchinlewis: The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.

Heed your own advice, dude.

That's not advice, it's an opinion.

Split a hair why don't you. It was implicit.


Oh just go ahead and enlighten me. Pretty please.
 
2010-05-07 11:27:22 AM
I_C_Weener: I love this point. They can't articulate anything other than anger, and are clearly part of a covert GOP strategy of well thought out plans. It reeks of Bush is an idiot that outsmarted us constantly.

Yes, they aren't a third party, but they aren't GOP either. They aren't astroturfed. Not sure what they are, since each smaller group of them is different than the next. But go ahead, belittle them. Talking down to people usually gets them to see your side of things don't you think?


They're primarily made up of registered Republicans. They largely self-identify as Republican. Their views fall directly in line with stated GOP goals. They vote Republican. Their demographics line up neatly with the demographics of likely Republican voters. Again, they're a third party like the DPRK is a democracy.

Now I will say this: they trend even harder to the right than the mainstream GOP. Whether they'll continue to toe the party line or not is anyone's guess. If not, then they'll be furthering step #1 of my plan for overhauling the US electoral system: destroy the Republican Party. (Step #2 is to destroy the Democratic Party, by the way)
 
2010-05-07 11:28:15 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: Tea Party: "We want smaller government!"

Obama supporters. "Oh shiat. We can't say we want bigger and more government. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Don't raise taxes!"

Obama supporters: "Oh shiat. We can't say we want higher taxes. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!"

Obama supporters: Oh shiat. We can't say we want more deficit spending by the government. VIOLENT RACISTS!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.


Seizing on the term "racist" is an easy dodge for tea-partiers and republicans alike who have nothing to counter "liberal" ideas. Kinda like whatever definition "socialism" has been pegged with on any given day.

Tea Partiers: We want smaller government!
Democrats: You won't let us make cuts to Medicare, Social Security, or Defense. Other entitlements are a pittance by comparison. And deregulation isn't working out too well, is it?

Tea Partiers: Don't raise taxes!
Democrats: We all this stuff to pay for. Wars, you know? Social Security, you know? Medicare, yeah? The stuff you won't let us touch?

Tea Partiers: Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!
Democrats: We've done this before. Despite what you might have heard on talk radio, FDR killed the Great Depression with deficit spending.

Tea Partiers: STOP CALLING US RACISTS! YOU LIBERAL MYTH SPEWING SOCIALIST!
 
2010-05-07 11:29:27 AM
what_now: Their rallies promote domestic terrorism, racism and fear mongering. There is not a single member who can articulate their goals.

When the Washington Post had the Head 'Bagger on a web chat, he did not give on fact or one proposal, he just talked about how Obama is a socialist who should really stop spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate.

Read this (new window)


Washington, D.C.: Judson -- Are you willing to admit that taxes have actually gone down for the vast majority of Americans under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: No

Boston, Mass.: Thank you for taking our questions. Here is my question for the Tea Party. What are your solutions to today's problems? For example, I hear the word socialism used a lot and government getting too big. But then what would you cut? Or what would the Tea Party members have done about the financial crisis from 2008? I assume that they would not vote to bailout the banks, but what would they do if the biggest banks in the world go under?

Judson Phillips: First, cut taxes to increase economic growth. That works every time. Second, let's go through the entire federal budget and eliminate programs that are consumed by waste, fraud or abuse. Start eliminating them.

Alexandria, Va.:
Are you willing to admit that marginal tax rates went up for the majority of Americans during the Reagan administration? Do you know the difference between average and marginal tax rates? Could you answer a simple econ 101 questions regarding the impact of progressive taxation on the labor-leisure choice?

Judson Phillips: No.


They are a fundamentally dishonest group. You can't have a good-faith discussion with people who aren't interested in anything but agitprop.
 
2010-05-07 11:29:44 AM
lunchinlewis: Diogenes: lunchinlewis: Diogenes: lunchinlewis: The Republic is going to be just fine you bunch of Nancies.

Heed your own advice, dude.

That's not advice, it's an opinion.

Split a hair why don't you. It was implicit.

Oh just go ahead and enlighten me. Pretty please.


Despite the histrionics and dire pronouncements of the Teabaggers, the Republic is intact and will remain so. So knock off the whining and hang-wringing.
 
2010-05-07 11:32:13 AM
I_C_Weener: Talking down to people usually gets them to see your side of things don't you think?

Oh, and on this last point: there's no likelihood of that. They ignore fact and reason without compunction. You cannot talk a true believer down. Their ideology trumps all else, regardless of which ideology it is. And therein lies the true nature of their danger to the nation at-large: say the right buzzwords and paint the issues in the right light, and you can get these people to support anything, no matter how demagogic or repressive.
 
2010-05-07 11:36:32 AM
Sergeant Grumbles: Tea Partiers: We want smaller government!
Democrats: You won't let us make cuts to Medicare, Social Security, or Defense. Other entitlements are a pittance by comparison. And deregulation isn't working out too well, is it?

Tea Partiers: Don't raise taxes!
Democrats: We all this stuff to pay for. Wars, you know? Social Security, you know? Medicare, yeah? The stuff you won't let us touch?

Tea Partiers: Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!
Democrats: We've done this before. Despite what you might have heard on talk radio, FDR killed the Great Depression with deficit spending.


Funny, the article that has been linked (twice now) counters just about everything you said except for your assertion that FDR "killed" the depression with deficit spending...Which he didn't. Just stick with:

Sergeant Grumbles: 3) No brown people except those that support us and have all their papers
 
2010-05-07 11:38:37 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: ea Party: "We want smaller government!"

Obama supporters. "Oh shiat. We can't say we want bigger and more government. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Don't raise taxes!"

Obama supporters: "Oh shiat. We can't say we want higher taxes. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!"

Obama supporters: Oh shiat. We can't say we want more deficit spending by the government. VIOLENT RACISTS!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.


Tea Party: "We want smaller government, but don't you dare cut the medicare to my family because I have 10 children".

Obama supporters: "What should we cut?"

Tea Party: "WELFARE!!"

Obama supporters: "You just said you're ON welfare, and we can't cut it!"

Tea Party: "My children are a blessing".

Obama supporters: "..."
 
2010-05-07 11:39:35 AM
I_C_Weener: Occam's Chainsaw: They're a front group for the GOP -- no more, no less.

I love this point. They can't articulate anything other than anger, and are clearly part of a covert GOP strategy of well thought out plans. It reeks of Bush is an idiot that outsmarted us constantly.

Yes, they aren't a third party, but they aren't GOP either. They aren't astroturfed. Not sure what they are, since each smaller group of them is different than the next. But go ahead, belittle them. Talking down to people usually gets them to see your side of things don't you think?


Since they use several AEI fellows as their consultants, yes, they are essentially a wing of the GOP. Not officially, and to the detriment of the GOP as a whole, and certainly to the detriment of the national discourse. They exist only to drag the discussion away from the fact that the AEI and their fellows' policies damn near bankrupted the nation, and got us embroiled in wars and conflicts that have done nothing to improve our standing world wide, and acted to radicalize folks across the globe. The TEA Party is a tool of distraction, and to cow Congresscritters with lesser testicular fortitude. It is a way to channel support to those who are taking a more populist and less stringent Constitutional line of rhetoric. They are, at their heart, an evolution of Astroturf and a way for Neocon talking points to be disseminated, and with a distancing factor that keeps them from the spotlight.

The TEA Party doesn't have to be effective in articulating points, they simply have to make enough noise that the opportunists who want to stay in office will swing to them. They are a strategy for moving the public debate and policy, in an effort to attract the disjointed and often ignorant messengers of populist "discontent." They don't have to be united, and in fact, the more disjointed they are, the better. It allows wildly intellectually dishonest mechanizations and interpretations of their populist rants to be utilized for policy.
 
2010-05-07 11:45:05 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: Funny, the article that has been linked (twice now) counters just about everything you said except for your assertion that FDR "killed" the depression with deficit spending...Which he didn't.

You call that article a counter? REALLY? Are we reading the same article?
The baseless talking points sure do refute everything I or anyone else has ever said against the tea party.
 
2010-05-07 11:46:28 AM
hubiestubert: It allows wildly intellectually dishonest mechanizations and interpretations of their populist rants to be utilized for policy.

And when those policy positions start showing their flaws, it gives those espousing them cover, as they point to the TEA Party and say, "It wasn't my idea, I was just entertaining it!"

Hubie's a paleocon. I'm a libertarian with liberal leanings. We're 100% in agreement on this. That should tell you something.
 
2010-05-07 11:48:56 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: hubiestubert: It allows wildly intellectually dishonest mechanizations and interpretations of their populist rants to be utilized for policy.

And when those policy positions start showing their flaws, it gives those espousing them cover, as they point to the TEA Party and say, "It wasn't my idea, I was just entertaining it!"

Hubie's a paleocon. I'm a libertarian with liberal leanings. We're 100% in agreement on this. That should tell you something.


Sounds like Glenn Beck talking about the birthers. "Hah, these crazy guys. We went out to refute them and... well, interestingly enough... we couldn't. Wereportyoudecide, but there you go."

He's just asking questions. Aren't the answers interesting?
 
2010-05-07 11:53:52 AM
Viable third parties scare the Republicans and Democrats equally. They're terrified of having to represent their constituents over the wished of their corporate overlords.
 
2010-05-07 11:57:04 AM
I_C_Weener: Talking down to people usually gets them to see your side of things don't you think?

When people reach a certain degree of wharrgarbl, reasonable dialog is no longer useful. The teabaggers are, by any objective standard, 99% wharrgarbl. They are incoherent and demonstrably ignorant. Whether they have a valid concern here or there doesn't matter. Any value that could have been derived from them has been turned sour. It's like trying to reason with Creationists.

Since you cannot hope to reason with them, it becomes rational to ridicule them. That's how things work in the marketplace of ideas.

/you sound like a teabagger.
 
2010-05-07 11:58:03 AM
Marcus Aurelius: Viable third parties scare the Republicans and Democrats equally.

I hardly think that the Tea Party is a viable third party... they are the militant arm of the Republicans.
 
2010-05-07 12:02:50 PM
Marcus Aurelius: Viable third parties scare the Republicans and Democrats equally. They're terrified of having to represent their constituents over the wished of their corporate overlords.

No such animal.
 
2010-05-07 12:04:44 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: You call that article a counter? REALLY?

Lets have a gander, shall we?

Sergeant Grumbles: 1) Cut taxes

Yalp.

Sergeant Grumbles: 2) End entitlements we personally don't use

Didn't see that anywhere in the article. The only thing he didn't advocate cutting was defense..and I personally think that everything including defense needs a good cut.

Sergeant Grumbles: 3) No brown people except those that support us and have all their papers

When all else fails eh?

Sergeant Grumbles: 4) Anything Rush says

Phrase not found.
 
2010-05-07 12:13:07 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Tea Party: "We want smaller government!"

Obama supporters. "Oh shiat. We can't say we want bigger and more government. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Don't raise taxes!"

Obama supporters: "Oh shiat. We can't say we want higher taxes. RACISTS!"

Tea Party: "Deficit spending by the government spend must be curtailed!"

Obama supporters: Oh shiat. We can't say we want more deficit spending by the government. VIOLENT RACISTS!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.


Yeah, what have the teabaggers ever done to appear racist?

Oh...right...lots of shiat
 
2010-05-07 12:13:26 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Sergeant Grumbles: You call that article a counter? REALLY?

Lets have a gander, shall we?

Sergeant Grumbles: 1) Cut taxes

Yalp.

Sergeant Grumbles: 2) End entitlements we personally don't use

Didn't see that anywhere in the article. The only thing he didn't advocate cutting was defense..and I personally think that everything including defense needs a good cut.

Sergeant Grumbles: 3) No brown people except those that support us and have all their papers

When all else fails eh?

Sergeant Grumbles: 4) Anything Rush says

Phrase not found.


Ah, here's the disconnect. I was refering to the tea party as a whole, not just this particular article.
The article just made my brain bleed because he lied through two-fifths of it and talking-pointed through two-fifths of it, leaving very little of actual substance, or, ya know, intelligence.

I know you really don't like that racist brush the tea partiers get painted with, and it might not be true in your parts, but around here in South Carolina, it's a fact of life.
Never before have I heard someone argue so hard that the Confederate Flag was about heritage, not hate, and then turn around and suggest Obama fly a Kenyan flag.
 
2010-05-07 12:18:31 PM
Sergeant Grumbles: Never before have I heard someone argue so hard that the Confederate Flag was about heritage, not hate,

Isn't HK Edgerton from your neck of the woods?
 
2010-05-07 12:31:12 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Isn't HK Edgerton from your neck of the woods?

Yep, though he's in NC, right across the state line. The southern heritage thing is particularly strong around here.
I'm a closet supporter, so to speak. People can just be very stupid on both sides, whether the people who claim it's a racial issue and tear it down because of it, or the people who deny it's a racial issue and then use it like one. Better not to get involved.
The aforementioned man was on talk radio and arguing vehemently that he should be allowed to fly the flag of his ancestors without repercussions. I agree.
Then he had to tack on "And Obama should be able to fly the Kenyan flag because he's from Kenya." And I say "Aw, not this shiat again."

I wonder how the Southern heritage thing stacks up against Texan independence. Never been to Texas.
 
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