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(El Paso Times)   A woman, raised as a man, finds out she has ovaries, so she has surgery to become a woman, and then marries a woman in Texas and I've gone crosseyed   (elpasotimes.com) divider line 80
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2010-05-05 03:51:18 PM
It's kinda sad that the only way gay couples can marry in certain states is because of technicalities like this.
 
2010-05-05 04:16:17 PM
Okay, I LOL'd.
 
2010-05-05 04:58:41 PM
*snert*
Unpossible!
 
2010-05-05 04:59:27 PM
Although I'd be first to defend her,
I, too, have been forced to surrender.
To be inter-sexed
Has left her perplexed,
And suff'ring delusions of gender.
 
2010-05-05 05:14:55 PM
Basil: I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.
[to camera]
Basil: That goes for you all, too.
 
2010-05-05 05:15:14 PM
Saborlas: It's kinda sad that the only way gay couples can marry in certain states is because of technicalities like this.

Yes, but the headline is kind of funny, so it cancels out the sad. Right?
 
2010-05-05 05:15:37 PM
MaxxLarge: Although I'd be first to defend her,
I, too, have been forced to surrender.
To be inter-sexed
Has left her perplexed,
And suff'ring delusions of gender.


Laughed at the headline. Laughed even harder at this.

Nice job
 
2010-05-05 05:15:41 PM
image3.examiner.com


"She falls in a well, eyes go crossed. She gets kicked by a mule, they go back to normal. I don't know."
 
2010-05-05 05:15:49 PM
Saborlas: It's kinda sad that the only way gay couples can marry in certain states is because of technicalities like this.

Technically, it's not gay, since she had guy parts at some point. It's bi- or poly- or something.
 
2010-05-05 05:16:07 PM
Was her name Ms. Garrison?
 
2010-05-05 05:18:24 PM
Poor poor mutant. But he served his country, so I say let him do what he wants.
 
2010-05-05 05:21:46 PM
stevegarbowski: "She falls in a well, eyes go crossed. She gets kicked by a mule, they go back to normal. I don't know."

img72.imageshack.us
 
2010-05-05 05:22:38 PM
Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.
 
2010-05-05 05:24:36 PM
jigger: Was her name Ms. Garrison?

Well, it sounds like she did get a fancy new vagina.
 
2010-05-05 05:33:46 PM
stevegarbowski: "She falls in a well, eyes go crossed. She gets kicked by a mule, they go back to normal. I don't know."

When I scrolled down to that pic, I thought the quote would be "The shiatter was full!". That would have been weird.
 
2010-05-05 05:38:55 PM
How can the state decide that an intersex person is a man OR a woman?
 
2010-05-05 05:39:04 PM
girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.


and some are born with both male and female parts (either gonads or secondary characteristics)
 
2010-05-05 05:40:48 PM
This is like a big "suck it" to texas.

But you can't suck it because it's two women.
 
2010-05-05 05:42:18 PM
No pictures? Well, maybe it's better that there weren't any. ----> pic
 
2010-05-05 05:42:25 PM
.... and then Blur wrote a song about it.
 
2010-05-05 05:43:39 PM
palelizard: Saborlas: It's kinda sad that the only way gay couples can marry in certain states is because of technicalities like this.

Technically, it's not gay, since she had guy parts at some point. It's bi- or poly- or something.


If she has the brain of a woman that is attracted to women, it's gay.
 
2010-05-05 05:50:05 PM
FTA:

"I found God doesn't make mistakes," Bur said."

While talking about this:

upload.wikimedia.org

Nope, no mistakes.

/If god makes no mistakes, why are you modifying his child?
 
2010-05-05 05:53:20 PM
StrikitRich: No pictures? Well, maybe it's better that there weren't any. ----> pic

Now I have a raging soft-on. Thanks.
 
2010-05-05 05:54:26 PM
girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.


I don't really think of it as being "a guy trapped in the girl's body" or vice-versa. If your DNA says XX, you're a girl, if it's XY, you're a boy. However, you're not always wired in a way that makes you feel comfortable with society's ideas about what that means. It's sad that people think that they have to get surgery because they think "I like dolls and soap operas, therefore I'm supposed to have a vagina, off comes the penis!"

I generally put gender reassignment surgery in the same category as cosmetic surgery...for people who aren't secure enough in who they are to tell society to screw off. As with cosmetic surgery, I soften this definition for extreme mismatches...people with deformities or weird gender-related aberrations deserve not to get treated like freaks, and the surgery helps with that.

/semantics, I know
 
2010-05-05 05:56:36 PM
jagec: girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.

I don't really think of it as being "a guy trapped in the girl's body" or vice-versa. If your DNA says XX, you're a girl, if it's XY, you're a boy. However, you're not always wired in a way that makes you feel comfortable with society's ideas about what that means. It's sad that people think that they have to get surgery because they think "I like dolls and soap operas, therefore I'm supposed to have a vagina, off comes the penis!"

I generally put gender reassignment surgery in the same category as cosmetic surgery...for people who aren't secure enough in who they are to tell society to screw off. As with cosmetic surgery, I soften this definition for extreme mismatches...people with deformities or weird gender-related aberrations deserve not to get treated like freaks, and the surgery helps with that.

/semantics, I know


Very well put.
 
2010-05-05 06:01:05 PM
jagec: generally put gender reassignment surgery in the same category as cosmetic surgery...for people who aren't secure enough in who they are to tell society to screw off. As with cosmetic surgery, I soften this definition for extreme mismatches...people with deformities or weird gender-related aberrations deserve not to get treated like freaks, and the surgery helps with that.

/semantics, I know


Just gender reassignment surgery, or also hormonal treatment? What about changing names and pronouns? Where do you draw the lines?
 
2010-05-05 06:14:17 PM
jagec: I don't really think of it as being "a guy trapped in the girl's body" or vice-versa. If your DNA says XX, you're a girl, if it's XY, you're a boy. However, you're not always wired in a way that makes you feel comfortable with society's ideas about what that means. It's sad that people think that they have to get surgery because they think "I like dolls and soap operas, therefore I'm supposed to have a vagina, off comes the penis!"

Screw it, I'm not going to wait for a response. This isn't how it happens. Most transgendered people do not think they have to get surgery on their lower bits because they like dolls and soap operas, or tools and monster trucks. It's not anywhere close to that.

If you are yourself non-op trans, by all means, be happy. There are plenty of no-op trans people who do just fine. If you are trans and you regret your op, well, you should have taken your counseling more seriously and shouldn't be trying to push your dissatisfaction off onto other people who've made different choices. If you're not trans, and you are employed in caring for trans people, quit your job and do something more cut and dried. If you're genderqueer and just generally opposed to gender reassignment surgery because it doesn't fit your political notions of gender identity, keep your political notions to your own identity.

If you're not trans, not genderqueer, and you don't have anything to do with treating trans people, well - that pretty much means you're talking out of your ass, doesn't it?

I don't have any problem telling society to screw off, and I don't have a problem telling you to screw off either, so kindly either get informed or screw off.
 
2010-05-05 06:14:33 PM
Ah-ha! Looks like they found the elusive lickalottapus. We need to do a SyFy investigation on this.
 
2010-05-05 06:15:36 PM
StrikitRich: No pictures? Well, maybe it's better that there weren't any. ----> pic

AH!

And that's why I submitted a story with no pic.
 
2010-05-05 06:15:59 PM
StrikitRich: No pictures? Well, maybe it's better that there weren't any. ----> pic



Fupa, fupa!



/threw up in my mouth just a little...
 
2010-05-05 06:20:24 PM
Great headline, subby.
 
2010-05-05 06:27:12 PM
girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.


Actually she was born with boy and girl parts, her parents and a surgeon decided to leave her with just boy parts but she decided she liked the girl parts better.
 
2010-05-05 06:33:39 PM
Wasn't this an episode of House? Only instead of marrying a woman she has sex with her dad. And she's hot.
static.tvguide.com
 
2010-05-05 06:38:08 PM
grimnir: jagec: I don't really think of it as being "a guy trapped in the girl's body" or vice-versa. If your DNA says XX, you're a girl, if it's XY, you're a boy. However, you're not always wired in a way that makes you feel comfortable with society's ideas about what that means. It's sad that people think that they have to get surgery because they think "I like dolls and soap operas, therefore I'm supposed to have a vagina, off comes the penis!"

Screw it, I'm not going to wait for a response. This isn't how it happens. Most transgendered people do not think they have to get surgery on their lower bits because they like dolls and soap operas, or tools and monster trucks. It's not anywhere close to that.

If you are yourself non-op trans, by all means, be happy. There are plenty of no-op trans people who do just fine. If you are trans and you regret your op, well, you should have taken your counseling more seriously and shouldn't be trying to push your dissatisfaction off onto other people who've made different choices. If you're not trans, and you are employed in caring for trans people, quit your job and do something more cut and dried. If you're genderqueer and just generally opposed to gender reassignment surgery because it doesn't fit your political notions of gender identity, keep your political notions to your own identity.

If you're not trans, not genderqueer, and you don't have anything to do with treating trans people, well - that pretty much means you're talking out of your ass, doesn't it?

I don't have any problem telling society to screw off, and I don't have a problem telling you to screw off either, so kindly either get informed or screw off.


Damn, you sound like an expert. Clearly Jagec was a fool for having his own opinions or questioning your all-knowing wisdom. You shouldn't be too hard on him though, he can't see what every trans-person is thinking like you can, so you should forgive his ignorant mistake.

/I tried but I couldn't sqeeze more sarcasm in there
 
2010-05-05 06:49:29 PM
TheHateMonger: Wasn't this an episode of House? Only instead of marrying a woman she has sex with her dad. And she's hot.

The name of the actress is Cameron Richardson.
 
2010-05-05 06:51:38 PM
Voiceofreason01: Damn, you sound like an expert. Clearly Jagec was a fool for having his own opinions or questioning your all-knowing wisdom. You shouldn't be too hard on him though, he can't see what every trans-person is thinking like you can, so you should forgive his ignorant mistake.

/I tried but I couldn't sqeeze more sarcasm in there


I'm an FtM who regularly goes to conferences on transgender issues. Go squeeze your sarcasm in somewhere else.
 
2010-05-05 06:53:56 PM
Hill, [...] is listed as a man in her birth certificate.

So s/he was a man at birth? Safe to say Mama was torn a new one.
 
2010-05-05 07:04:58 PM
grimnir: Voiceofreason01: Damn, you sound like an expert. Clearly Jagec was a fool for having his own opinions or questioning your all-knowing wisdom. You shouldn't be too hard on him though, he can't see what every trans-person is thinking like you can, so you should forgive his ignorant mistake.

/I tried but I couldn't sqeeze more sarcasm in there

I'm an FtM who regularly goes to conferences on transgender issues. Go squeeze your sarcasm in somewhere else.


and yet your whole point revolves around a massive appeal-to-authority fallacy. Also your interpretations of other peoples feelings and beliefs are pretty suspect, you are painting with a wide brush and being very dismissive of the opinions of others all without evidence.

/lends the strong stench of bullshiat to everything you say
 
2010-05-05 07:18:27 PM
jagec: girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.

I don't really think of it as being "a guy trapped in the girl's body" or vice-versa. If your DNA says XX, you're a girl, if it's XY, you're a boy. However, you're not always wired in a way that makes you feel comfortable with society's ideas about what that means. It's sad that people think that they have to get surgery because they think "I like dolls and soap operas, therefore I'm supposed to have a vagina, off comes the penis!"

I generally put gender reassignment surgery in the same category as cosmetic surgery...for people who aren't secure enough in who they are to tell society to screw off. As with cosmetic surgery, I soften this definition for extreme mismatches...people with deformities or weird gender-related aberrations deserve not to get treated like freaks, and the surgery helps with that.

/semantics, I know


Actually a lot more to it than that.

Our brain has a very well defined idea of what we should look like in terms of a normal healthy member of our species and gender. It is similar to the part of the brain which defines what we are most likely to be attracted to, a healthy member of our species and what gender characteristics we expect. The difference being it effects our concept of self as opposed to what turns us on and compells us towards love/mating.

So someone who has a female brain but a male body will be expecting to see in themselves the exact opposite of what they have. What you wind up seeing sends the message to your brain that you are horribly disfigured and sick in the worst way possible. Once you realize this you understand why surgery is actually important.
 
2010-05-05 07:21:02 PM
grimnir: Voiceofreason01: Damn, you sound like an expert. Clearly Jagec was a fool for having his own opinions or questioning your all-knowing wisdom. You shouldn't be too hard on him though, he can't see what every trans-person is thinking like you can, so you should forgive his ignorant mistake.

/I tried but I couldn't sqeeze more sarcasm in there

I'm an FtM who regularly goes to conferences on transgender issues. Go squeeze your sarcasm in somewhere else.


Oh snap! Voiceofreason01 got told!
 
2010-05-05 07:31:35 PM
People born with Klienfelter's Syndrome are XXY. (pops)
What then?
 
2010-05-05 07:34:02 PM
Voiceofreason01: and yet your whole point revolves around a massive appeal-to-authority fallacy. Also your interpretations of other peoples feelings and beliefs are pretty suspect, you are painting with a wide brush and being very dismissive of the opinions of others all without evidence.

I have an appeal to knowing wtf I'm talking about, yes.

Transwomen aren't just going out and getting orchiectomies, penectomies, and vaginoplasties because they like to watch soap operas. That was jagec's original assertion. His or her argument is based on a mischaracterization of the motivations of transpeople and a misunderstanding of the treatment guidelines that determine who gets gender reassignment surgery.

One of the complaints transpeople have with the current requirements under the Harry Benjamin standards of care is that transwomen are supposed to be stereotypically feminine, and transmen are supposed to be stereotypically masculine in order to even get a diagnosis. Until recently, transwomen had to be attracted to men and transmen had to be attracted to women in order to obtain a diagnosis. What that means in simple terms is that transpeople were and still are forced to display behaviors deemed typical by society for their target gender in order to get treatment. The very thing that jagec complained about as being an inherent characteristic of transgendered people was, in fact, actual factual fact, a characteristic of the guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of transgendered people.

Do you know who Harry Benjamin was, or why he was relevant? Do you understand why the diagnosis is important, and how it relates to who gets gender reassignment surgery and who doesn't? If you don't, then you are also talking out of your ass.
 
2010-05-05 07:39:29 PM
SakuraDensetsu: Our brain has a very well defined idea of what we should look like in terms of a normal healthy member of our species and gender. It is similar to the part of the brain which defines what we are most likely to be attracted to, a healthy member of our species and what gender characteristics we expect. The difference being it effects our concept of self as opposed to what turns us on and compells us towards love/mating.

I just recently found out that I have three cousins who are also FtMs. All of us are descended from the same great-grandparents. Weird, isn't it?
 
2010-05-05 07:49:53 PM
I absolutely met a couple where the "guy" was a raving queen and they were going to get married as man and woman, then queenie was gonna get his weener removed, so they could be legally married and live as a lesbian couple.

I swear to FSM no shiat.

All I could think of was Mr/s Garrison.
 
2010-05-05 07:52:00 PM
TheHateMonger: Wasn't this an episode of House? Only instead of marrying a woman she has sex with her dad. And she's hot.

We talked about this in my Neuroscience class, and my prof told us that a lot of those runway models everyone is fapping to were probably born male.
 
2010-05-05 07:53:26 PM
Moonk: girljen: Meh. It happens.

Some people are born with boy brains and boy parts.
Some people are born with girl brains and girl parts.

But some are born with boy brains and girl parts, and some with girl brains and boy parts, and those people are much happier when their parts match their brains.

For the life of me, I cannot see what all the ruckus is about.

and some are born with both male and female parts (either gonads or secondary characteristics)


Reproductive biology... it's not as simple as some people think.
 
2010-05-05 07:55:36 PM
grimnir: SakuraDensetsu: Our brain has a very well defined idea of what we should look like in terms of a normal healthy member of our species and gender. It is similar to the part of the brain which defines what we are most likely to be attracted to, a healthy member of our species and what gender characteristics we expect. The difference being it effects our concept of self as opposed to what turns us on and compells us towards love/mating.

I just recently found out that I have three cousins who are also FtMs. All of us are descended from the same great-grandparents. Weird, isn't it?


I'd check for chromosomal issues that can be inherited then. One of my best friends was Diagnosed with Chromosomal issues after a year of transitioning. Ironically there is a huge wall between her and her dad, because he is a closet trans and a cross dresser and hates the fact she actually has the guts to do this while he hid all his life and was ashamed of himself. Likely he(she tech) has the same condition she does.
 
2010-05-05 08:07:46 PM
SakuraDensetsu: I'd check for chromosomal issues that can be inherited then. One of my best friends was Diagnosed with Chromosomal issues after a year of transitioning. Ironically there is a huge wall between her and her dad, because he is a closet trans and a cross dresser and hates the fact she actually has the guts to do this while he hid all his life and was ashamed of himself. Likely he(she tech) has the same condition she does.

I'd really like to, and I'm working on establishing contact with my cousins. It's hard because our family tend to protect each other fiercely. The same set of cousins also carries the genetic defect that causes breast/ovarian/colon cancer, so it's probably important that we all get a thorough genetic checkup and share the results.

Preemptive answer to the eugenicists here: you can blow it out your asses, too!
 
2010-05-05 08:17:15 PM
StrikitRich: No pictures? Well, maybe it's better that there weren't any. ----> pic

He said, "Which is the hippies and which is the dogs??"
I said, "It beats the hell outta me, Roy..."

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-05-05 08:29:13 PM
The best thing to do with an intersexual is to euthanize them at birth. They will never be normal and if / when they find out about themselves it definitely will throw them into a mindfark and pretty much wreck their lives.

Plus doctors are mean as hell to them and god forbid that they go to jail for something. Oh and feel free to rape them because cops sure as hell won't even file a police report as they will be to busy making jokes about the freak and how they were asking for it.

Not to mention the fact that once they realize what they are, they also realize they are in reality nothing and always will be living a lie no matter what decisions they make.
 
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