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(USA Today)   Poll finds 83% of Americans believe God answers their prayers, 10% say by text, 5% by direct conversation   (usatoday.com) divider line 312
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2010-05-06 12:51:47 AM  
kerpal32: dichotomies and misrepresentations as represented in other threads like this one here that I addressed.

You misunderstood my intention behind that comment entirely. You said: but we definitely absolutely cannot have both in your view? (in relation to evolution and god).

The answer to that question is no. Of course not. I never said that. Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? All I said was that the addition of god into the theory is superfluous, it doesnt add anything, and so I dont understand why someone would chuck it in there. Got it now?

In future, please do not make up my position for me. Read my words carefully, and remember I am definitely not one for absolutes. This is the second time in as many days you have accused me of pushing an 'absolute' line. I would never do this, in fact I am against it in principle.

kerpal32: but as I said, no time to play with you or your pals like epicdick today kid.

You've called me passive aggressive in the recent past, you don't think that calling me 'kid' could be interpretted as a passive aggressive move? Just curious.

I notice a pattern here. You call me angry, but you write very angrily yourself, with insults and excessively strong language. You call me kid, but you write like a 14 year old who thinks he knows everything. You accuse me and other atheists of generalising, bigotry, stereotyping etc, but you have no problem with throwing all atheists in the one category.

I call it projecting.
 
2010-05-06 01:40:18 AM  
cthellis: Definitely the mustache. It contained all his charisma.

Charisma!

Fuller: You misunderstood my intention behind that comment entirely.

Do you actually think he meant to understand?
 
2010-05-06 01:45:02 AM  
cthellis: Fuller: You misunderstood my intention behind that comment entirely.

Do you actually think he meant to understand?


He just doesn't have the time to understand. He only has the time to make a dozen posts and then complain about not having enough time to answer whenever you ask him questions.
 
2010-05-06 01:58:55 AM  
Epicedion: cthellis: Fuller: You misunderstood my intention behind that comment entirely.

Do you actually think he meant to understand?

He just doesn't have the time to understand. He only has the time to make a dozen posts and then complain about not having enough time to answer whenever you ask him questions.


His strategy appears to be to frustrate his opponent into writing something angry that he can then use against them. So I just stay polite and honest, which seems to make him write even angrier himself ('choke on that', he wrote recently).

Its a simple pleasure, but it helps pass some time :)
 
2010-05-06 02:00:21 AM  
Fuller: Its a simple pleasure, but it helps pass some time :)

Or rather, its a simple pleasure, and it helps pass some time.

Yeah, that makes more sense.
 
2010-05-06 02:46:21 AM  
Burr: I also thank the people that help me directly, and thank God for sending them.

Doesn't this kind of imply that the people who helped you didn't have free will? The circumstances that brought them to you were likely largely dictated by their own choices, as was their decision to help you. It seems to me that the only way that God has any role in it is if he was manipulating their decisions to his own ends. Once God breaks that rule, look out baby -- the flood gates are open.

Anyway, just a thought.
Generally speaking, I agree with your sentiments.
 
2010-05-06 04:36:55 AM  
CadX: Prayer is an extension of will. ...Dedicating a National day of prayer is no big deal unless said prayer groups are praying for your demise.

My father took for a short while to praying that the Lord's kingdom come soon, that He may call us all home to His heavenly bosom.

It took me a few weeks, my mother a little longer, to realize that my father was in fact praying for our collective demise. Eventually she said something to him, I think, because it stopped suddenly, but I had been respectfully keeping my head bowed so as to hide my eyes from their permanently rolled position.

I also learned, from life with my father, that in spite of the quaint fable of Abraham and Isaac, people always hear God tell them to do what they already want to do. "What's that you say, God? I should firebomb that abortion clinic? Are you sure? Well, okay, if you insist!" I can't remember the number of times that my father said that God was telling him to give me a message, always remarkably consistent with my father's predetermined view.
 
2010-05-06 01:08:21 PM  
kerpal32: seriously mods, weekly atheist butt-hurt is fine. making it a daily ritual is kinda pathetic.

it is getting difficult to keep up
 
2010-05-06 03:19:28 PM  
I drunk what: kerpal32: seriously mods, weekly atheist butt-hurt is fine. making it a daily ritual is kinda pathetic.

it is getting difficult to keep up


With the daily anti-atheist butt-hurt? I agree. It's every bit as pathetic.
 
2010-05-06 07:47:20 PM  
highwayrun: CadX:
people always hear God tell them to do what they already want to do. "What's that you say, God? I should firebomb that abortion clinic? Are you sure? Well, okay, if you insist!" I can't remember the number of times that my father said that God was telling him to give me a message, always remarkably consistent with my father's predetermined view.


I would wager that there are many people out there who have not yet realized that they have this inner voice, or inner dialogue going on in their minds. Sometimes people are surprised when they realize it's there. Some worry that it's not good to "hear voices" as if it makes them crazy etc, or that "talking to oneself" does too--but that's impossible because everyone has this inner dialogue going on in their minds; unless everyone is "crazy."

It is essentially the verbalization of focus.

Anyway, maybe they some people associate the dialogue with their personal god because they sometimes make a decision and feel strongly about it, emotionally. And so, god says so.

just some thoughts
 
2010-05-06 10:34:42 PM  
Fuller: The answer to that question is no. Of course not. I never said that. Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth? All I said was that the addition of god into the theory is superfluous, it doesnt add anything, and so I dont understand why someone would chuck it in there. Got it now?

Ah, I can tell how superfluous it is by how hard you and others work to convince people of its superfluous nature.

Better word for you.... inconsistent
Better word for you.... reconcilable

It is inconsistent with scientific method and methodological naturalism, but it is not entirely inconsistent with science, which is a subset of epistemology. It is a philosophical belief outside of the limits of empiricism and logical positivism, but not specifically antithetical to or in opposition to them.

Atheists do not own science. Science has no framework for the supernatural.

atheism ≠ science, so you can stop with the comparisons....

Science is based on methodological naturalism. The philosophical doctrine of methodological naturalism holds that, for any study of the world to qualify as "scientific," it cannot refer to supernatural activity (or any sort of deistic activity). That does not make science atheist. It makes it non-theistic. It has nothing to say with regard to metaphysical beliefs like theism/deism and atheism.

Scientific method (normative, Hypothetico-deductive and Deductive-nomological and other models of scientific method) does not allow for (even if the latter are true) any reference to the supernatual in the hypothesis process; and theistic or religious beliefs therefore cannot influence scientific explanation or theory justification.


Here's another word for you.... integral

As in it is integral to the metaphysical discussions of theism/deism and atheism.

It just isn't a matter for science.
 
2010-05-08 01:05:27 AM  
kerpal32: Idiotic wharrgarbl

If you don't have anything relevant to add, why don't you shut up and let the adults talk, 'k?
 
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