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2010-05-04 02:16:01 PM
FarkinginNC: I drive right at the speed limit, maybe going 2 over. I don't care if it pisses people off or not. I'm not into making donations to Aunt Bev. Regardless of what the drivers license handbook says, NC law says you can drive in the left hand lane as long as you are driving at or over the speed limit.

As far as I know, you're absolutely right. You are more legal than... Um. A lot of people. It's thoroughly irritating and potentially dangerous, since a good percentage of drivers are not going to expect someone going the exact speed limit in the fast lane, but you are in the right. You are free to choose to follow the letter of the law and accept those consequences (lack of speeding tickets, potential rear-end), and others are free to break it and accept THOSE consequences (speeding tickets, potential accidents).
 
2010-05-04 02:16:42 PM
shoegaze99: (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety.

Holy fark.

I was raised that if you need to speed to pass someone, you just don't farking do it.

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE D:
 
2010-05-04 02:18:18 PM
shoegaze99: TsukasaK: Really? The NC law actually advocates driving over the speed limit?

Citation needed.

It's legal in Washington, so it wouldn't surprise me if it is elsewhere:


According to this Minnesota cop, it's legal there, too.

He says, "In MN you can exceed the posted 55 mph speed limit on a two lane road to complete a pass as long as it is in a passing zone. You can only increase your speed by 10 mph or in other words you can go 65 in a 55 to pass."
 
2010-05-04 02:18:38 PM
TsukasaK: shoegaze99: (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety.

Holy fark.

I was raised that if you need to speed to pass someone, you just don't farking do it.

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE D:


I believe that part is different from state to state, and give real close attention to "only such a speed as is necessary". So it's not *really* a lie. It's CYA for people in bad situations like "Oh shiat, I didn't see that truck coming."
 
2010-05-04 02:21:24 PM
el wharrrgarblo: Slower traffic stay the fark out of the passing lane. NO, it's not your right to do the speed limit in the far left, passing lane. In most places there are laws against that.

This.

It fascinates me how much I disagree with some of what you say, while agreeing completely with other things you say.
 
2010-05-04 02:22:13 PM
doubled99:
You are contributing to the problem.
Here's what's wrong with your scenario. You've decided what the "right" speed is to go.


The right speed to go is the posted limit. You've asserted that somebody is *more* in the wrong because he's breaking a subjective law as well as a concrete one - like that means something.

grizzlyjohnson: The thing is: speed limits are designed to be broken. They are set knowing that no one will actually go that speed, they will go 10-20 mph faster.

There's no award for Most Retarded Comment in This Thread, so stop trying.
 
2010-05-04 02:23:13 PM
ciberido: el wharrrgarblo: Slower traffic stay the fark out of the passing lane. NO, it's not your right to do the speed limit in the far left, passing lane. In most places there are laws against that.

This.

It fascinates me how much I disagree with some of what you say, while agreeing completely with other things you say.


I think he's two people and they take turns. All I've gotta say is... The two must be pretty evenly matched to fight for the keyboard and have it be random which one wins and gets to type. :)
 
2010-05-04 02:23:32 PM
Aidan:High speed is not directly correlated with high danger. If that were the case, we'd all be doing 30mph everywhere.

Incredibly high speed, where your reaction times are no longer long enough to compensate for events on the road is of COURSE dangerous. But a few miles above the speed limit is NOT generally dangerous, especially on roads designed for high speeds (eg. Highways with long curves, limited access, fencing, shoulders, etc).


Yeah, but it IS dangerous when there is a posted speed limit that 60% or so of the people on the road adhere to. Sure, it's safe in a closed course, but most people that drive 85-100MPH have no idea just how instantaneously they can lose control of their vehicle at those speeds. It's aggressive in this context because they are driving as if there isn't a posted speed limit and that anyone doing the posted speed limit is driving "too slow".
 
2010-05-04 02:24:17 PM
TsukasaK: FarkinginNC: NC law says you can drive in the left hand lane as long as you are driving at or over the speed limit.

Really? The NC law actually advocates driving over the speed limit?

Citation needed.


§ 20‑146. Drive on right side of highway; exceptions.
(b) Upon all highways any vehicle proceeding at less than the legal maximum speed limit shall be driven in the right‑hand lane then available for thru traffic, or as close as practicable to the right‑hand curb or edge of the highway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn.


The law says you have to be in the right hand lane if you are driving at "less than the legal maximum speed." One can infer that if you are driving at or over the legal maximum speed then it is ok to drive in the left lane.
 
2010-05-04 02:24:52 PM
TsukasaK 2010-05-04 02:15:25 PM


Wiki:
Speed limits are usually set to attempt to cap road traffic speed; there are several reasons for wanting to do ths. This is often done with an intention to improve road traffic safety and reduce the number of road traffic casualties from traffic collisions. In their World report on road traffic injury prevention report, the World Health Organization mention speed control as one of the interventions likely to contribute to a reduction in road casualties (they estimated that some 1.2m people were killed and 50m injured on the roads around the world in 2004).[n 1] Speed limits are also set to attempt to reduce the environmental impact of road traffic (vehicle noise, vibration, emissions), to reduce fuel use and to satisfy local community desires.
Speed limits are typically set at a speed at which the great majority of road users naturally comply and are used as a basis for prosecution of the minority who don't. Speed limits are used to reduce the differences in vehicle speeds by drivers using the same road at the same time which increases safety. In situations where the natural road speed is considered too high, notably on urban areas where speed limits below 50 km/h (31 mph) are used then traffic calming is often also used. For some classes of vehicle speed limiters may be mandated to enforce compliance.


So yes, it is about safety. And if you are arguing otherwise, citation needed


Wow. A Wikipedia entry with a defintion of speed limits as written by the state.
Geez, hard to argue with that kind of strong evidence.
LOL

oh, and...

doubled99: Lives are not being put in danger by going over the speed limit.
Live are lost by stupid and incompetent drivers.

Who usually go over the speed limit. Who'da thunk?



Citation needed!!!
 
2010-05-04 02:26:03 PM
ZachF81: stebain: DrMcNinja: I demand mandatory jail time for those who don't signal when changing lanes

Even worse, people who signal late. "This is what I intend to do" is what the signal is for, not "Hey, in case you didn't notice I'm now halfway in your lane".

After a few years driving around New York City, I understand that the turn signal is supposed to mean "I'm switching lanes right now, whether you are in the way or not." Am I mistaken? I tend to get really dirty looks, middle fingers, and honked at when I do this anywhere outside the city.


There is a different interpretation of the signal in Philly as well. It tells the asshole behind you to ram the accelerator to the floor and attempt to cut off your attempt to merge, regardless of whether they are in your lane or to your left and behind you. That's why my blinker doesn't come on anymore until I'm in the other lane. Sorry to those of you that find it "aggressive" or belated. I would love to give more signal notice and I do in calmer traffic conditions (rural areas).
 
2010-05-04 02:26:24 PM
Annnnd finally a semi-complete answer: "Minnesota, Montana and Washington allow drivers to exceed the speed limit while passing on two lane roads." Source (new window)

Lots of good info there, including citing certain states that all but disregard speeding enforcement/penalties unless it's 5, 6 or 10 over the limit, depending on state.

It also states, "The Federal Highway Administration recommends that police tolerance never be less than 5 MPH. See 66 FR 29855 (``setting and enforcing rational speed limits'')."

As someone else pointed out upthread, speedometers differ. Your 50 may be my 55. (Mine actually runs a bit high; it always reads 3-5 more than those roadside cameras say.)
 
2010-05-04 02:27:10 PM
doubled99: Wow. A Wikipedia entry with a defintion of speed limits as written by the state.
Geez, hard to argue with that kind of strong evidence.
LOL


That's not a citation. Sorry, but I take the WHO as more authoritative evidence than some random farker who has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2010-05-04 02:27:23 PM
NeoKast: Aidan:High speed is not directly correlated with high danger. If that were the case, we'd all be doing 30mph everywhere.

Incredibly high speed, where your reaction times are no longer long enough to compensate for events on the road is of COURSE dangerous. But a few miles above the speed limit is NOT generally dangerous, especially on roads designed for high speeds (eg. Highways with long curves, limited access, fencing, shoulders, etc).

Yeah, but it IS dangerous when there is a posted speed limit that 60% or so of the people on the road adhere to. Sure, it's safe in a closed course, but most people that drive 85-100MPH have no idea just how instantaneously they can lose control of their vehicle at those speeds. It's aggressive in this context because they are driving as if there isn't a posted speed limit and that anyone doing the posted speed limit is driving "too slow".


I think we'll have to agree to disagree, since that 60% in my mind is more like 40%, and includes all the people on the road, including those in the middle and right lanes who are out of the er... 'danger zone', if you want to call it that, of higher speeds.

Mind you, I'm definitely talking about highway speeds here. I have no issue with someone doing 40 in a 40. I also think it varies highly from state to state and urban to rural. Since my experience is largely driving an interstate to work, that might be why I see a lot more speeders than... uh... safers. (shrug, it's Tuesday)
 
2010-05-04 02:29:53 PM
I Like Bread 2010-05-04 02:22:13 PM

doubled99:
You are contributing to the problem.
Here's what's wrong with your scenario. You've decided what the "right" speed is to go.

The right speed to go is the posted limit. You've asserted that somebody is *more* in the wrong because he's breaking a subjective law as well as a concrete one - like that means something.



Unlike you, I happen to live in the real world. On my freeway here in California, on a daily basis, almost every single driver on the road is going above the posted 55. All of them. Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.
 
2010-05-04 02:30:15 PM
Eh, I'll be the dick in this thread. Speed limits are the fastest you should go and not the minimum speed. Anyone traveling over that is speeding and should slow down. Even in the 'fast lane'. The slow lane is for those doing under the speed limit, the fast lane - if your state has one - is for anyone doing the speed limit. Not faster.
 
2010-05-04 02:31:22 PM
I Like Bread: grizzlyjohnson: The thing is: speed limits are designed to be broken. They are set knowing that no one will actually go that speed, they will go 10-20 mph faster.

There's no award for Most Retarded Comment in This Thread, so stop trying.


He's not wrong. To think that planners do not take into consideration the actual rate of speed drivers tend to go on a given road is naive. With highways specifically, they do.

(The 20mph part is high, though.)
 
2010-05-04 02:32:48 PM
doubled99: Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

I'm pretty sure it IS iron clad when someone with authority is around to see you break it.

I love this "I can break the law as much as I want, as long as I don't get caught" mentality. The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.
 
2010-05-04 02:33:03 PM
TsukasaK 2010-05-04 02:27:10 PM

doubled99: Wow. A Wikipedia entry with a defintion of speed limits as written by the state.
Geez, hard to argue with that kind of strong evidence.
LOL

That's not a citation. Sorry, but I take the WHO as more authoritative evidence than some random farker who has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.




Ooooh, another meme! Running out of coherent thoughts?
We're talking about real people, and the reality of how we all drive on the roads. If that's your best contribution to the argument, why don't you just stay home and read your dictionary.
The definition of "law" should keep you busy for hours!
 
2010-05-04 02:33:14 PM
Jaywalking, littering, smoking near buildings, scalping tickets, downloading movies, downloading music, using VHS to tape things and loan them to friends, sampling songs...*takes a deep breath*...smoking weed(in some places), underage drinking(with parents/at home), petty theft(pencils, paperclips, etc.), public urination...

Hmm, last time I checked, none of those activities could kill me. A moron who thinks he can control his vehicle in every circumstance while driving 90+MPH when most people don't, is clearly an irrational prick.

And Doubled99, fark you. I do get over for douchebags like yourself. As far as I see it, problem not solved. The problem will be solved when you kill yourself or a loved one due to your stupidity. A speeder who carelessly drives 20 over the speed limit and is too dumb to figure out how little time they save IS INCOMPETENT. It's not my concern, no, but I'm concerned that someone too dumb to figure it out is out there driving on the roads I have to use. Farker.
 
2010-05-04 02:33:43 PM
shoegaze99: I Like Bread: grizzlyjohnson: The thing is: speed limits are designed to be broken. They are set knowing that no one will actually go that speed, they will go 10-20 mph faster.

There's no award for Most Retarded Comment in This Thread, so stop trying.

He's not wrong. To think that planners do not take into consideration the actual rate of speed drivers tend to go on a given road is naive. With highways specifically, they do.

(The 20mph part is high, though.)


I've noticed, for the MOST part, speed limits and roads appear to be designed so that you can travel that road at that speed in MOST conditions, not just optimal ones. So while I may ignore the "slow down for corner" signs on a road in the summer, I am VERY glad they're there when it's raining, snowing, dark, etc.
 
2010-05-04 02:34:36 PM
FTA:
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The Juggalo version of Ronald McDonald?
 
2010-05-04 02:35:24 PM
TsukasaK 2010-05-04 02:32:48 PM

doubled99: Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

I'm pretty sure it IS iron clad when someone with authority is around to see you break it.

I love this "I can break the law as much as I want, as long as I don't get caught" mentality. The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.




Yes, exceeding the speed limit and raping and killing is all the same. Your arguments get better and better.
 
2010-05-04 02:35:33 PM
Aidan: Mind you, I'm definitely talking about highway speeds here. I have no issue with someone doing 40 in a 40.

Yeah, I have a pretty low tolerance for speeding in residential areas are areas where traffic is slow or there are pedestrians. Out on the open highway? I don't really care, as long as you're not making things dangerous for other drivers (weaving, riding up on people, not in control of your car, etc.)

And in my experience, on local roads most people DO adhere to the speed limit. On the highway, though, in my area those people tend to be rare, and when they park out in the left lane they cause a very dangerous situation.

When I'm on the highway, I'll go with the flow of traffic. If traffic is all right around the limit, that's what I'll drive. If it's generally 10 over, that's what I'll drive, too.
 
2010-05-04 02:35:54 PM
TsukasaK: doubled99: Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

I'm pretty sure it IS iron clad when someone with authority is around to see you break it.

I love this "I can break the law as much as I want, as long as I don't get caught" mentality. The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.


Ooooookay then. Why does "breaking the law" (for X times) cost you some... points? And a hundred bucks?

Shouldn't you get a lawyer, and a trial, and jail time? It's a law after all... Just like... Um. Rape. Yes, rape of the roads. Mmm potholes.

/Dude, wtf?
 
2010-05-04 02:36:01 PM
TsukasaK: doubled99: Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

I'm pretty sure it IS iron clad when someone with authority is around to see you break it.

I love this "I can break the law as much as I want, as long as I don't get caught" mentality. The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.


So, why can't you do the speed limit in the middle lane if you're not passing and make everyone happy?

What's so special about that left-hand lane?
 
2010-05-04 02:36:35 PM
doubled99: Ooooh, another meme! Running out of coherent thoughts?
We're talking about real people, and the reality of how we all drive on the roads. If that's your best contribution to the argument, why don't you just stay home and read your dictionary.
The definition of "law" should keep you busy for hours!


So are you going to rebut the evidence provided by the World Health Organization, or continue to garble your wharr?
 
2010-05-04 02:38:20 PM
Dear Editor;

As a daily commuter on our nation's highways, I often encounter motorists that drive in a rude or unsafe manner. As I've grown older, I've watched this behavior become epidemic, with virtually every car on the road endangering or annoying me in some way. This situation is unacceptable, and something needs to be done. It is my belief that all automobiles should be fitted with twin 30 calibre machine guns, so that the weak may perish expediently, and the strong may rule the roadways, as is their right.

Respectfully;

Middle Aged Daily Driver
 
2010-05-04 02:38:21 PM
TsukasaK: The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.

Rapists? Do you really want to go there? Seems to me that you weaken your argument when you do.
 
2010-05-04 02:39:08 PM
doubled99: Yes, exceeding the speed limit and raping and killing is all the same. Your arguments get better and better.

I didn't say they were the same now did I? I said the mentality is the same. "I can break whatever laws I want as long as I don't get caught *awesome.jpg".

Aidan: Ooooookay then. Why does "breaking the law" (for X times) cost you some... points? And a hundred bucks?

All I do know is that it's a ding on your record, a fine ranging from $100 and going from there, and your insurance goes way up.
 
2010-05-04 02:39:49 PM
shoegaze99: Rapists? Do you really want to go there? Seems to me that you weaken your argument when you do.

Jesus christ can you people just not read? I said the mentality is the same, not that the crime is the same.
 
2010-05-04 02:40:11 PM
Keep right except to pass.

DIAF asshat. If I want to do 5 mph over the limit that's my business, not yours.
 
2010-05-04 02:41:25 PM
shoegaze99 2010-05-04 02:38:21 PM

TsukasaK: The same one used by bank robbers, rapists, and other such wonderful members of society.

Rapists? Do you really want to go there? Seems to me that you weaken your argument when you do.




He's out of gas, man. I'm going back to the huge boobs thread...
 
2010-05-04 02:41:40 PM
doubled99: Unlike you, I happen to live in the real world. On my freeway here in California, on a daily basis, almost every single driver on the road is going above the posted 55. All of them. Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

You're hilarious! I would LOVE to see you say those exact words to a highway patrolman while keeping your panties clean.

Nearly everyone speeds here in PA, but you'd be damn sure no one has the cajones to use the "everybody's doing it" defense in court.
 
2010-05-04 02:43:52 PM
I Like Bread: You're hilarious! I would LOVE to see you say those exact words to a highway patrolman while keeping your panties clean.

When you're running in a pack of 300 cars doing 85 in a 65, a highway patrolman doesn't scare any of you. People don't even slow down anymore when they see 'em.

The 101 is a lawless place.
 
2010-05-04 02:44:26 PM
The effort I put into moving out of the way when I am in the passing lane (passing traffic) is inversely proportional to the effort you put into riding my ass immediately beforehand:


- Gradually approach, perhaps with a flash of the lights?

I will signal right away and move over at the first gap to my right.

- Approach aggressively, but leave a safe distance between our cars?
I will move over at the first gap to my right, but I'll take an extra second while making the lane change.

- Approach aggressively, and wait until you are on my ass, and gradually get closer in order to intimidate?
Ooops. I don't feel like getting over any more. Oddly enough, my foot has eased off the gas JUST a little bit, too. No brakes, mind you. Just ease off the gas a little bit. I might also match speeds with the lane to my right, and adjust the rearview mirror so that I can't see you anymore. Now what, beeyotch?
 
2010-05-04 02:44:28 PM
People need to quit acting like aggressive driving, which includes excessive speeding, IS the business of everyone else on the road. I don't see aggressive driving any differently than someone walking down a public sidewalk swinging a baseball bat at everyone's head that they walk past. Yeah, the people can duck it, but they shouldn't have to.

If a careless driver ever caused an accident I was involved in and a loved one was laying next to me and appeared dead from the accident, I'm not sure I would be able to stop myself from straight up killing the driver at fault right there on the spot, without hesitation. Why? Because I'd do the same if a thug walked up to myself and my wife and hit her in the head with a baseball bat.
 
2010-05-04 02:45:34 PM
Jument: DIAF asshat. If I want to do 5 mph over the limit that's my business, not yours.

Funny thing. On newer bluetooth headsets, you can assign specialized buttons to be used as speed dials.

So when you rocket by me (on the left, naturally), it suddenly becomes the business of the relevant authorities who I have assigned to one of those buttons.

You wanna be a dick, tough guy? I can be a bigger dick.

"Yeah, some guy just blew past me in a (blah) vehicle with (blah) license plate"

So ehh, go ahead and drive like a bat out of hell. I get all the satisfaction I need by reporting your happy ass. Even moreso when I see you pulled over a mile ahead.
 
2010-05-04 02:45:57 PM
Here's the thing about letter of the law enforcement of speed limits: Unless you're in a podunk town looking to raise money, police aren't inclined to enforce minor transgressions, and neither are judges. In fact, "The Federal Highway Administration recommends that police tolerance never be less than 5 MPH."

The legal system itself has decided to not enforce minor speed limit transgressions. It's a non-issue.

Oh, and I Like Bread? In case you continue to doubt, factoring in speeders when setting speed limits is mention in government documents:

"Rational speed limits are determined through a formal review that uses the 85th percentile speed of free-flowing traffic combined with information on roadway geometry, crash characteristics and land use. This procedure results in a speed limit that appears reasonable to most drivers and thereby results in more uniform speeds."

Speeders are a part of the equation when they set limits.
 
2010-05-04 02:46:43 PM
People need to quit acting like aggressive driving, which includes excessive speeding, ISN'T the business of everyone else on the road.

/Typo fixed
 
2010-05-04 02:47:44 PM
AmazingRuss: I Like Bread: You're hilarious! I would LOVE to see you say those exact words to a highway patrolman while keeping your panties clean.

When you're running in a pack of 300 cars doing 85 in a 65, a highway patrolman doesn't scare any of you. People don't even slow down anymore when they see 'em.

The 101 is a lawless place.


Good for you. You're a real man for buckling to the driving equivalent of peer pressure. If a patrolman pulled you over while there are people zooming past you at 85, you'd take your ticket and say "thank you, sir" like the little biatch that you are.
 
2010-05-04 02:48:01 PM
TsukasaK: Jesus christ can you people just not read? I said the mentality is the same, not that the crime is the same.

I did not say anything about you claiming the crime is the same. Your statement doesn't need to go that far for it to be ridiculous. The very fact that you suggest people who speed have the same mentality as rapists ... I mean, do you even realize ... ?

Since you're angry that several people have brought this up, no, I guess you don't.
 
2010-05-04 02:49:56 PM
TsukasaK: So when you rocket by me (on the left, naturally), it suddenly becomes the business of the relevant authorities who I have assigned to one of those buttons.

Um... trolling right? Anyways...

If one car is doing doing 60 and another is doing 65, does that qualifying as "rocketing"?

I would hope that the authorities would not hand out a moving violation based on the say-so of a privite citizen. If so, expect that to be rightfully thrown out of traffic court since a private citizen would have no way to prove speed. "Faster than me" is not adequate.
 
2010-05-04 02:50:13 PM
shoegaze99:
Oh, and I Like Bread? In case you continue to doubt, factoring in speeders when setting speed limits is mention in government documents:

"Rational speed limits are determined through a formal review that uses the 85th percentile speed of free-flowing traffic combined with information on roadway geometry, crash characteristics and land use. This procedure results in a speed limit that appears reasonable to most drivers and thereby results in more uniform speeds."

Speeders are a part of the equation when they set limits.


Where does it say that they make speed limits with not just the knowledge, but the intention that people are going to break them? Since that was the original (retarded) point.
 
2010-05-04 02:50:38 PM
I Like Bread 2010-05-04 02:41:40 PM

doubled99: Unlike you, I happen to live in the real world. On my freeway here in California, on a daily basis, almost every single driver on the road is going above the posted 55. All of them. Stop pretending the speed limit is an iron clad rule, you know it isn't. Your argument is childish.

You're hilarious! I would LOVE to see you say those exact words to a highway patrolman while keeping your panties clean.

Nearly everyone speeds here in PA, but you'd be damn sure no one has the cajones to use the "everybody's doing it" defense in court




"I'd like to see you say that to a cop"
Your post has no relevance whatsoever to any of my points. Or anyone else's. But thanks for contributing!
 
2010-05-04 02:50:58 PM
shoegaze99: The very fact that you suggest people who speed have the same mentality as rapists ... I mean, do you even realize ... ?

Realize what? That the "It's only wrong if you got caught" mentality is shared by some truly unsavory people? That maybe, just perhaps, that's NOT the right view of the law to have? That maybe, just perhaps, its one's civic duty to follow the law unless there's a good reason not to?
 
2010-05-04 02:51:39 PM
Wow.
 
2010-05-04 02:52:19 PM
TsukasaK: doubled99: Yes, exceeding the speed limit and raping and killing is all the same. Your arguments get better and better.

I didn't say they were the same now did I? I said the mentality is the same. "I can break whatever laws I want as long as I don't get caught *awesome.jpg".

Aidan: Ooooookay then. Why does "breaking the law" (for X times) cost you some... points? And a hundred bucks?

All I do know is that it's a ding on your record, a fine ranging from $100 and going from there, and your insurance goes way up.


Okay, first off... Those other things are FELONIES. Even the law system distinguishes different types of laws as being "more bad" or less. It IS a law, but it's certainly not one of the big ones.

And, for that matter, the setting of speed limits in various states varies wildly and sometimes (it appears) for political as well as safety or social reasons (I'm thinking Montana's old daylight law). Therefore, no one actually agrees on what the number SHOULD be for various road and population conditions (there are some guidelines for surface roads, but again I'm talking highways where the bulk of speeding occurs).

If I break the speed limit and thus the law, yes, I should pay the fine (not that I've ever been pulled over. Michigan is extremely lenient on speeding). I broke that law, I took that chance, I pay the consequences.

But to insist that the law is right and perfect in its own way and that breaking it makes you obviously a freewheeling (aheh) criminal thumbing his nose at safety and society... I can't agree with you on that one.

I CAN say that there should be a generally accepted pattern to driving on highways. Having people go too slow in a lane where one expects them to go fast is just as dangerous as someone weaving in and out of traffic. Both are unexpected, and surprises = danger on the road.

Don't even get me started on people in big cars who swerve into the turn lane, suddenly revealing the stopped cars in front of them. *shudder*
 
2010-05-04 02:52:38 PM
I can't remember where I read this but I found it very wise, I will paraphrase:
"95% of the freeway traffic problems in the world would be solved if people displayed one of two signs on their bumper to identify their driving style:

Sign A: Driving over 55mph wastes fuel and costs lives.
Sign B: Ever been on the autobahn? It's so much nicer than this."

They're both equally valid points of view / driving philosophies. The problem is that in America you have a mix of people all doing their own thing "colliding" with each other on the freeway. In America there is no enforcement that prevents people from driving 60mph all day long in the left lane.

It doesn't matter what the speed limit is, if there is a car coming up fast behind you, the courteous thing to do is move to the right. I think driving would be a lot more civil if people obeyed just that one simple rule: "slower moving traffic keep right".

"I don't care what this ass coming up behind me is doing, I'm going 90mph and the speed limit is 65mph, hope he hits the guardrail and dies" rings a bit hollow when you BOTH hit the guardrail and die after failed high speed overtaking and loss of control. Slower traffic keep right and the world just works.
 
2010-05-04 02:54:20 PM
Jument: would hope that the authorities would not hand out a moving violation based on the say-so of a privite citizen.

Of course not, besides, I have no way of measuring how fast you're going. But it definitely will make any LEO's nearby alerted to your presence, gaining you extra scrutiny.

Who knows, maybe it'll be enough to get you popped for going 6 over.

Fun fact, did you know that Colorado has a phone number dedicated to reporting aggressive driving?

Jument: Um... trolling right? Anyways...


Not a bit.

If one car is doing doing 60 and another is doing 65, does that qualifying as "rocketing"?

I have no way of telling how fast you're going. All I can tell is the speed I'm doing, and that you are going the same, a little, or a lot faster than that.
 
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