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2010-04-30 10:28:01 PM
Props to the trolls that kept pushing this BS. This is all Obama's fault. Drill Baby, Drill. And go fark yourself.
 
2010-04-30 10:31:54 PM
Heck of a job Obama.
 
2010-04-30 10:37:02 PM
OH THE HUGE MANATEES
 
2010-04-30 10:37:25 PM
That does it.

Make more laws against Mexicans.
 
2010-04-30 10:38:39 PM
send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.

/laughable at best

// the US had better get used to this being in the news for a few months cause it will be that long before the wellhead is capped.

///it will be a hot and crappy summer on the Gulf Coast
 
2010-04-30 10:40:30 PM
I'm really happy to see so many who care so passionately about this issue speak out about it.

I would have guessed many of you didn't care for environmental issues.
 
2010-04-30 10:43:47 PM
The Exxon-Valdez spill was caused by Exxon and a guy drinking on the job.

But this is all Obama because we're still cranky about Katrina.
 
2010-04-30 10:51:56 PM
www.stephentaylor.ca
 
2010-04-30 10:52:05 PM
It's called "Lake Palin".


/get used to it.
 
2010-04-30 10:54:33 PM
So what exactly is Obama supposed to do, dive down and fix the spill himself? This came out of no where, everyone is doing everything they can to contain this, and BP has accepted full responsibility.
 
2010-04-30 10:57:50 PM
In an apparent effort to make this "Obama's Katrina", both Hannity and Rush are lobbing accusations that this administration has done nothing about this for over a week, despite the fact that the Coast Guard was on it from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes the accepted narrative on the right.
 
2010-04-30 10:59:55 PM
This just in: The fed is as slow as Christmas coming to a 5-year-old when it comes to dealing with pretty much anything until it, sometimes literally, blows up in their face and gets their white shirts dirty... regardless of what partisan hack is currently in the White House.
 
2010-04-30 11:01:27 PM
"Last night officials from Louisiana and the U.S. government urged BP to commit more resources to clean up the oil spill"
"Meanwhile, the CEO of the British-based company said they would compensate all those affected by the oil."


BP should be sparing no expense to clean up this spill. Apparently they would rather pay damages after the fact rather than do everything possible to minimize the damage now. I live in NW Florida, that's my farkin' beach! Are they going to compensate everyone who was forced to swim in a sinkhole instead going to the beach?
 
2010-04-30 11:02:21 PM
HansensDisease: It's called "Lake Palin".

/get used to it.


:D

You make me chuckle often. I like that.
 
2010-04-30 11:10:36 PM
HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?
 
2010-04-30 11:20:58 PM
lajimi: HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?

Boomstick?
 
2010-04-30 11:26:23 PM
lajimi: HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?

Bolloxed.
 
2010-04-30 11:27:59 PM
home.comcast.net
 
2010-04-30 11:34:07 PM
I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.
 
2010-04-30 11:43:12 PM
Mentat: I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.

i don't know if i should find it refreshing, or saddening that it took a disaster of this magnitude for someone to cut out the bullshiat.
 
2010-04-30 11:44:29 PM
Mentat: So what exactly is Obama supposed to do, dive down and fix the spill himself? This came out of no where, everyone is doing everything they can to contain this, and BP has accepted full responsibility.

Republicans are desperate to pin this on Obama just like the failure of the Bush administration regarding Katrina. It's farking pathetic.
 
2010-04-30 11:45:25 PM
lajimi: HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?

Barakku Husseini Fartbama, duh.
 
2010-05-01 12:00:39 AM
lajimi: HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?

BarryTheUsurper
 
2010-05-01 12:02:56 AM
Mentat: I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.

The real victims here are the people of the gulf coast because the LLL wouldn't let us drill for our independence in Yellowstone.
 
2010-05-01 12:10:46 AM
Hick: Heck of a job Obama.
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.


OK, folks, time to break this down with small words for the Palin-Americans.


1. There are no SWAT teams. You're an idiot for mentioning them.

2. Bush wasn't responsible for Hurricane Katrina. However, as President, he was responsible for the agency that handled disaster relief, that being FEMA. He appointed a completely unqualified, incompetent jackass to lead the agency, thus making its flailing response HIS FAULT. Period.

3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

To summarize, you're both idiots, and so are all your Fox News fellating ilk.
 
2010-05-01 12:20:06 AM
kmmontandon: 2. Bush wasn't responsible for Hurricane Katrina. However, as President, he was responsible for the agency that handled disaster relief, that being FEMA. He appointed a completely unqualified, incompetent jackass to lead the agency, thus making its flailing response HIS FAULT. Period.

Also, we knew for years that the levies were vulnerable.

We knew for 2 weeks that Katrina was coming.

We knew 3 days in advance that the storm would track directly over New Orleans.

We knew the day before that Katrina was category 5.

There was just no excuse for any of the authorities not to be ready. I know FEMA couldn't predict the full extent of the disaster on the Gulf Coast, but they seemed to be completely caught off guard.
 
2010-05-01 12:23:50 AM
I blame North Korea.

/derp commie derp
 
2010-05-01 12:39:17 AM
Eyebleach: HansensDisease: It's called "Lake Palin".

/get used to it.

:D

You make me chuckle often. I like that.


I wish I could take credit for the phrase.
 
2010-05-01 12:54:26 AM
House of Tards: The real victims here are the people of the gulf coast because the LLL wouldn't let us drill for our independence in Yellowstone.

I didn't know the Lutheran Laymen's League was involved in oil rights. hehe.
 
2010-05-01 12:58:13 AM
EviLincoln: I'm really happy to see so many who care so passionately about this issue speak out about it.

I would have guessed many of you didn't care for environmental issues.


There's no such thing as "environmental issues" because Al Gore, that's why.
 
2010-05-01 12:59:06 AM
To think that humans can have an effect on the environment like that just shows how egotistical you are.

/Piece of shiat southern hicks can eat a bag of dicks.
 
2010-05-01 12:59:55 AM
Ah the Daily Fail.

The headline has a quote of 'too slow to act against oil slick disaster'. There is no one criticizing him in the article. There is a vague reference to critics.

I will attribute this to quote then to the Daily Mail. I'm glad this British Petroleum Paper is so on the bal.
 
2010-05-01 01:00:12 AM
They tried! They kept calling and calling Obama yelling SLICK! SLICK! but he just thought it was Bill Clinton looking for babes.
 
2010-05-01 01:00:39 AM
DeRP!!!

How many lives have been lost due to the oil spill (not the initial explosion?) I fully expect the government to inflict heavy fines upon BP, unprecedented fines compared to Exxon. I do however, expect the disaster to be exacerbated and we will be without a cogent and sure solution for a month or even more (willing to bet subscription to TF.) If the situation becomes too dire, i expect a state of national emergency to be enacted and for an Obama presence on the Gulf Coast (and not a fly-over.)
 
2010-05-01 01:02:30 AM
evilboyevil: To think that humans can have an effect on the environment like that just shows how egotistical you are.

/Piece of shiat southern hicks can eat a bag of dicks.


Like an abused kid taking it out on schoolmates when the hate really belongs at the source.
 
2010-05-01 01:03:53 AM
whereisian: The headline has a quote of 'too slow to act against oil slick disaster'. There is no one criticizing him in the article. There is a vague reference to critics.

Had he jumped all in BP's shiat like they're suggesting he should have it would have been, "Pinko Obama in anti-business shocker."


Also:

RockIsDead: They tried! They kept calling and calling Obama yelling SLICK! SLICK! but he just thought it was Bill Clinton looking for babes.


Quoting this just 'cause I'm a rebel.

img11.imageshack.us
 
2010-05-01 01:05:02 AM
furiousxgeorge

I think I threw up a little in my mouth...
 
2010-05-01 01:08:31 AM
RockIsDead: evilboyevil: To think that humans can have an effect on the environment like that just shows how egotistical you are.

/Piece of shiat southern hicks can eat a bag of dicks.

Like an abused kid taking it out on schoolmates when the hate really belongs at the source.


Yes, I do hate myself as much as I hate every other deserving asshole in the world. We're all and none of us responsible.
 
2010-05-01 01:08:38 AM
i44.tinypic.com
What two species Republicans suddenly care about might look like.
 
2010-05-01 01:14:11 AM
It sounds like your "Fartbama" just created a few thousand jobs near the Gulf of Mexico. Grab a bucket and start panning for oil guys!

Why do Republicans hate job creation?
 
2010-05-01 01:15:09 AM
The right continues to try to use all the stuff we said about Bush against Obama.

get some fresh material, guys. You're really no better than Nick Madson (new window)
 
2010-05-01 01:17:02 AM
erveek: What two species Republicans suddenly care about might look like.

You know, one of these days, I'll move the cursor out of the way when I take a screenshot.

But not today. Enjoy your adornment, pelican.
 
2010-05-01 01:18:34 AM
It even looks like a hurricane. The source of these calamities is obvious. The Mandate of Heaven has been lost; the throne must be abdicated.
 
2010-05-01 01:19:29 AM
Let's see...10 days and counting and he hasn't gone to see the mess he help create. Nothing stands in the way of this guy and his golf clubs.
 
2010-05-01 01:19:52 AM
RockIsDead: Like an abused kid taking it out on schoolmates when the hate really belongs at the source.
 
2010-05-01 01:19:54 AM
Since Hannity and Rush have already tried to pin this on Obama, I can guarantee that Bobby Jindahl will try to pin something on Obama, right after it's revealed ol' Bobby screwed the pooch on something.
 
2010-05-01 01:20:55 AM
Mentat: I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.

I was channel surfing earlier and stopped on Fox news in time to catch Krauthammer or whatever his name is blaming regulation for this. You see, there is so much regulation and red tape it prevents oil companies from drilling in really viable locations so they have to move to risky, deep oil fields like this one to get around the government stranglehold.

The mental gymnastics to not only conceive of such a complaint but to it say it with a straight face is pretty impressive if nothing else.
 
2010-05-01 01:20:55 AM
But FEMA has been on the scene since the fire first started. They were the ones that farking put it out.
 
2010-05-01 01:21:25 AM
Putter: It sounds like your "Fartbama" just created a few thousand jobs near the Gulf of Mexico. Grab a bucket and start panning for oil guys!

Why do Republicans hate job creation?


They might not let 'em ride their Rascal scooters at "work".
 
2010-05-01 01:25:38 AM
electronicmaji: But FEMA has been on the scene since the fire first started. They were the ones that farking put it out.

The Gulf of Mexico put the fire out. The rig sank.
 
2010-05-01 01:26:18 AM
BP doesn't give a shiat, either. fark, Exxon finally paid less than half of the cleanup for the Valdez last year as a settlement. Way to go, America! farking clowns.
 
2010-05-01 01:29:15 AM
kmmontandon: Hick: Heck of a job Obama.
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.


OK, folks, time to break this down with small words for the Palin-Americans.


1. There are no SWAT teams. You're an idiot for mentioning them.

2. Bush wasn't responsible for Hurricane Katrina. However, as President, he was responsible for the agency that handled disaster relief, that being FEMA. He appointed a completely unqualified, incompetent jackass to lead the agency, thus making its flailing response HIS FAULT. Period.

3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

To summarize, you're both idiots, and so are all your Fox News fellating ilk.


But they're very well infromed.
 
2010-05-01 01:30:00 AM
Funny how all these keep government out of the Free-Market will regulate itself types are now whining about how the Federal government isn't doing enough to clean up one of their messes.
 
2010-05-01 01:40:15 AM
Hastor: I was channel surfing earlier and stopped on Fox news in time to catch Krauthammer or whatever his name is blaming regulation for this. You see, there is so much regulation and red tape it prevents oil companies from drilling in really viable locations so they have to move to risky, deep oil fields like this one to get around the government stranglehold.

The mental gymnastics to not only conceive of such a complaint but to it say it with a straight face is pretty impressive if nothing else.


Yes, it was too much regulate that prevented BP from installing the proper backup equipment. I think this is too much even for them. I mean, there's always going to be an element of danger in offshore drilling, and accidents are a fact of life, but I think BP knows that they farked up bad.
 
2010-05-01 01:45:58 AM
When did Jindal declare a state of emergency? When did request the Coast Guard?
 
2010-05-01 01:46:10 AM
Mentat: I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.

Not necessarily. There's a PR school of thought that just admitting you were wrong when you screw up and working to solve the problem is the best PR move in a lot of circumstances. Arguably the greatest PR any company has ever gotten for anything was when Tylenol recalled their entire supply when someone tampered with some of their bottles back in the 80s. Firestone, on the other hand, almost went out of business when it was discovered that some of their tires exploded, they knew, and they did nothing.
 
2010-05-01 01:47:39 AM
Mentat: kmmontandon: 2. Bush wasn't responsible for Hurricane Katrina. However, as President, he was responsible for the agency that handled disaster relief, that being FEMA. He appointed a completely unqualified, incompetent jackass to lead the agency, thus making its flailing response HIS FAULT. Period.

Also, we knew for years that the levies were vulnerable.

We knew for 2 weeks that Katrina was coming.

We knew 3 days in advance that the storm would track directly over New Orleans.

We knew the day before that Katrina was category 5.

There was just no excuse for any of the authorities not to be ready. I know FEMA couldn't predict the full extent of the disaster on the Gulf Coast, but they seemed to be completely caught off guard.


This. As Katrina approached, I kept wondering why FEMA wasn't calling up every aid element they could, and moving them to staging points outside the hurricane path as close as they could safely get to NOLA so they could rush in as soon as the storm had passed. I was amazed at the utter incompetence that followed over the next two weeks as people starved, killed and died.

By contrast, Obama dispatched CG elements immediately, offered support to BP to contain the spill, and started doing everything he could right away.
 
2010-05-01 01:47:54 AM
Like I said, the spin right now is "Obama should have shut the offshore wells down in February 2009 if he cared so much, even though we would have had him impeached...A private oil company's farkup is all his fault, but he better not regulate private industry!"

Tards.

/Piece of shiat southern hicks can eat a bag of dicks.

Suck one, bigot.
 
2010-05-01 01:50:26 AM
I for one am looking forward to seeing how this affect the life of people in New Orleans in season 5 of Treme, coming 2015!
 
2010-05-01 01:51:18 AM
Mentat: OH THE HUGE MANATEES

If I can get a manatee-washing job I'll be stoked.

/dugong
 
2010-05-01 01:55:52 AM
It's just exactly like Katrina. Hence the endless coverage on CNN of northern gannet families sitting on the roofs of their nests with signs saying 'Send Copters!' (they can't fly themselves, what with the oil) and the manatees looting supermarkets for food and water.

I look forward to the future David Simon HBO series about an oil damaged marshland community trying to put itself back together after all this.
 
2010-05-01 02:01:39 AM
Neeek: Mentat: I think it's telling that BP isn't even trying to spin this. Normally the lawyers and PR flaks would be out in full force right now, but this is such a colossal fark up that there's just no spinning it. I know the Fox Brigade is trying like mad to find some hook, but it just isn't there.

Not necessarily. There's a PR school of thought that just admitting you were wrong when you screw up and working to solve the problem is the best PR move in a lot of circumstances. Arguably the greatest PR any company has ever gotten for anything was when Tylenol recalled their entire supply when someone tampered with some of their bottles back in the 80s. Firestone, on the other hand, almost went out of business when it was discovered that some of their tires exploded, they knew, and they did nothing.


At least they're not using the Toyota strategy of trying to blame everyone else besides themselves for the faulty gas pedals.
 
2010-05-01 02:07:27 AM
downtownant: electronicmaji: But FEMA has been on the scene since the fire first started. They were the ones that farking put it out.

The Gulf of Mexico put the fire out. The rig sank.


No i'm pretty sure they had trawlers their with firehoses they showed footage on the news.
 
2010-05-01 02:08:21 AM
Mentat:

Also, we knew for years that the levies were vulnerable.

We knew for 2 weeks that Katrina was coming.

We knew 3 days in advance that the storm would track directly over New Orleans.

We knew the day before that Katrina was category 5.

.


Who is this "we" you speak of?
Nagin?
The governor?
Army Corp of Engineers?
The coast guard?

Oh no, none of them. It is all Bush's fault.

Bush was awful, but blaming him for this is pathetic.
 
2010-05-01 02:13:43 AM
tenpoundsofcheese: Mentat:

Also, we knew for years that the levies were vulnerable.

We knew for 2 weeks that Katrina was coming.

We knew 3 days in advance that the storm would track directly over New Orleans.

We knew the day before that Katrina was category 5.

.

Who is this "we" you speak of?
Nagin?
The governor?
Army Corp of Engineers?
The coast guard?

Oh no, none of them. It is all Bush's fault.

Bush was awful, but blaming him for this is pathetic.


No, they all knew that Katrina was the big deal. The problem was nothing was little was able to get accomplished due to the bureaucracy of the whole operation as well as the logistics of evacuating a major US city. It was a break down in communication on all ends, and Bush picking a judge from a horse competition to head FEMA was definitely not one of his brightest ideas.
 
2010-05-01 02:15:26 AM
tenpoundsofcheese: Who is this "we" you speak of?

Well, Fark knew about it a few days in advance.
 
2010-05-01 02:15:54 AM
i14.photobucket.com
OBAAAAAAAMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
 
2010-05-01 02:17:56 AM
Just wait till the oil gets caught up in the The Loop Current and enters the Gulf Stream. This is going to be much worse than I think anyone can imagine. They have no idea how to stop the flow.

Also, fark the media. Scumbag pieces of shiat all of em. I can't believe on Foxs' main evening "newscast" they were discussing who would potentially benefit politically from this.
 
2010-05-01 02:23:46 AM
"The president has vowed to personally lead the investigation into the government's failed response to the oil spill disaster? Isn't that a job perhaps someone else should be doing?" -Jon Stewart

"No, not at all, Jon. To truly find out what went wrong, it's important for an investigator to have a little distance from the situation. And it's hard to get any more distant from it than the president was last week." - "Daily Show" correspondent Samantha Bee


Lines we'll soon hear on The Daily Show....NOT!
 
2010-05-01 02:25:58 AM
evilboyevil:


/Piece of shiat southern hicks can eat a bag of dicks.

Name: Ryan Preller
Location: New York

Son, I invite you to come on down south and experience southern hospitality and say that to my face. Pretty please. With sugar on top.
 
2010-05-01 02:26:41 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2010-05-01 02:30:11 AM
Go Clegg!
 
2010-05-01 02:44:10 AM
Hey, he had to create some kind of crisis - an environmental Pearl Harbor, if you will - to get people behind his policies. Too bad about the shrimp, the pelicans, and the wetlands, but you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
 
2010-05-01 02:51:11 AM
Screw it. With my opinion of the human race where it is; I think I'm gonna just drive across the state, light a match and toss it in the gulf, then hope the rest of the country turns out to be extremely flammable.
 
2010-05-01 02:53:00 AM
If only black people would have been on that oil rig...THERE I SAID IT. Where's the outrage? Where's the Government Conspiracy? Where's the "HOW DARE HE?" Why does Obama hate white rough necks?
 
2010-05-01 02:53:40 AM
Phaid: Hey, he had to create some kind of crisis - an environmental Pearl Harbor, if you will - to get people behind his policies. Too bad about the shrimp, the pelicans, and the wetlands, but you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

Why didn't he just invade Canada then?

movieposters.2038.net
 
2010-05-01 02:54:36 AM
So now our born-again fiscal conservative Republicans are born-again environmentalists? How convenient.

Hey Reps, Obama killed the public option. Is it finally time for socialized medicine?
 
2010-05-01 02:55:01 AM
krelborne: In an apparent effort to make this "Obama's Katrina", both Hannity and Rush are lobbing accusations that this administration has done nothing about this for over a week, despite the fact that the Coast Guard was on it from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes the accepted narrative on the right.

Um your a jackass---he sent the NAVY 2 days ago. The Coast Guard can not contain an oil spill. So nice try but try again.. Because he did fail. Sending the Navy a week later to asses the situation is a jackass move--he took to long--he dropped the ball...NO REALLY-he farked UP!
 
2010-05-01 02:58:55 AM
Cup_O_Jo: If only black people would have been on that oil rig...THERE I SAID IT. Where's the outrage? Where's the Government Conspiracy? Where's the "HOW DARE HE?" Why does Obama hate white rough necks?

Gotta try a little harder than that to stir up the outrage. But you're getting there.
 
2010-05-01 02:59:36 AM
I'll leave this here. The Gulf Coast is in trouble people.

Leaked report:
Government fears Deepwater Horizon well could become unchecked gusher
By Ben Raines
April 30, 2010, 2:18PM Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano uses a map of the Gulf of Mexico during the daily press briefing at the White House in Washington, Thursday, April 29, 2010. A leaked memorandum obtained by the Press-Register on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the Deepwater Horizon well site could be on the verge of becoming an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf. 'The following is not public' document states

This image provided by the U.S. Coast Guard Saturday April 24, 2010, shows oil leaking from the drill pipe of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig after it sank. A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could be on the verge of becoming an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf. A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could become an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf.

"The following is not public," reads the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Emergency Response document dated April 28. "Two additional release points were found today in the tangled riser. If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."

Asked Friday to comment on the document, NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen said that the additional leaks described were reported to the public late Wednesday night. Regarding the possibility of the spill becoming an order of magnitude larger, Smullen said, "I'm letting the document you have speak for itself."

In scientific circles, an order of magnitude means something is 10 times larger. In this case, an order of magnitude higher would mean the volume of oil coming from the well could be 10 times higher than the 5,000 barrels a day coming out now. That would mean 50,000 barrels a day, or 2.1 million gallons a day. It appears the new leaks mentioned in the Wednesday release are the leaks reported to the public late Wednesday night.

"There is no official change in the volume released but the USCG is no longer stating that the release rate is 1,000 barrels a day," continues the document, referred to as report No. 12. "Instead they are saying that they are preparing for a worst-case release and bringing all assets to bear."

The emergency document also states that the spill has grown in size so quickly that only 1 to 2 percent of it has been sprayed with dispersants.

The Press-Register obtained the emergency report from a government official. The White House, NOAA, the Coast Guard and BP Plc did not immediately return calls for comment made early this morning.

The worst-case scenario for the broken and leaking well pouring oil into the Gulf of Mexico would be the loss of the wellhead and kinked piping currently restricting the flow to 5,000 barrels -- or 210,000 gallons -- per day.

If the wellhead is lost, oil could leave the well at a much greater rate.

"Typically, a very good well in the Gulf can produce 30,000 barrels a day, but that's under control. I have no idea what an uncontrolled release could be," said Stephen Sears, chairman of the petroleum engineering department at Louisiana State University.

On Thursday, federal officials said they were preparing for the worst-case scenario but didn't elaborate.

Kinks in the piping created as the rig sank to the seafloor may be all that is preventing the Deepwater Horizon well from releasing its maximum flow. BP is now drilling a relief well as the ultimate fix. The company said Thursday that process would take up to 3 months.
View from above
Gulf oil spill
See continuing coverage of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill of 2010 on al.com and GulfLive.com.

To keep track of the Gulf of Mexico oil slick, visit www.skytruth.org or follow its Twitter feed.

To see updated projection maps related to the oil spill in the Gulf, visit the Deepwater Horizon Response Web site established by government officials.

How to help: Volunteers eager to help cope with the spill and lessen its impact on the Gulf Coast environment and economy.

"I'm not sure what's happening down there right now. I have heard there is a kink in what's called the riser. The riser is a long pipe that connects the wellhead to the rig. I really don't know if that kink is a big restriction. Is that really a big restriction? There could be another restriction further down," said LSU's Sears.

"An analogy would be if you have a kink in a garden hose. You suspect that kink is restricting the flow, but there could be another restriction or kink somewhere else closer to the faucet.

BP Plc executive Doug Suttles said Thursday the company was worried about "erosion" of the pipe at the wellhead.

Sand is an integral part of the formations that hold oil under the Gulf. That sand, carried in the oil as it shoots through the piping, is blamed for the ongoing erosion described by BP.

"The pipe could disintegrate. You've got sand getting into the pipe, it's eroding the pipe all the time, like a sandblaster," said Ron Gouget, a former oil spill response coordinator for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Oil scooped up from the Gulf of Mexico 17 miles southeast of the South Pass of the Mississippi River is seen on the hand of deck hand Jordan Ellis on the Louisiana coast Friday, April 30, 2010. The oil originated from a leaking pipeline after last week's explosion and collapse of the Deepwater Horizon."When the oil is removed normally, it comes out at a controlled rate. You can still have abrasive particles in that. Well, now, at this well, its coming out at fairly high velocity," Gouget continued. "Any erosive grains are abrading the inside of the pipe and all the steel that comes in contact with the liquid. It's essentially sanding away the pipe."

Gouget said the loss of a wellhead is totally unprecedented.

"How bad it could get from that, you will have a tremendous volume of oil that is going to be offgassing on the coast. Depending on how much wind is there, and how those gases build up, that's a significant health concern," he said.

The formation that was being drilled by Deepwater Horizon when it exploded and sank last week is reported to have tens of millions of barrels of oil. A barrel contains 42 gallons.

Smullen described the NOAA document as a regular daily briefing. "Your report makes it sound pretty dire. It's a scenario," he said, "It's a regular daily briefing sheet that considered different scenarios much like any first responder would."

(Updated 5:57 p.m. to add response from NOAA spokesman.)
 
2010-05-01 03:02:02 AM
How is it not BPs fault for not having the resources to deal with a situation like this? They punched a hole into a pressurized pocket beneath the seafloor and didn't have the proper safety precautions in place.
 
2010-05-01 03:06:18 AM
Surool: How is it not BPs fault for not having the resources to deal with a situation like this? They punched a hole into a pressurized pocket beneath the seafloor and didn't have the proper safety precautions in place.

If only we, like other off-shore drilling nations, had mandated the use of an acoustic switch.... You know, a regulation to keep greedy companies from endangering things by cutting costs to maximize profits?
 
2010-05-01 03:10:12 AM
Mrtraveler01: Cup_O_Jo: If only black people would have been on that oil rig...THERE I SAID IT. Where's the outrage? Where's the Government Conspiracy? Where's the "HOW DARE HE?" Why does Obama hate white rough necks?

Gotta try a little harder than that to stir up the outrage. But you're getting there.


Not stirring up outrage as much as laying it out how it really seems. If Bush were still in office the Eco freaks would have been everywhere freaking out throwing malatov cocktails at the White House. But this guy pretty much ignores this shiat for a week...then get's a "general findings" report from the Coast Guard a WEEK later- the Navy is there--no one knows why--and NOAA makes a small speech. It's just amazing and kind of creepy that the President who just a month ago said he wants to drill off the coast--all the sudden--has nothing to say.. It's odd. Then to add to the strange his "followers" seem to be all upset that Fox News waits A WEEK to call him on it--then they get all pissy. It's just like..N o the mother farker should have been called out immediately and done something. Considering the EPIC proportion of this ECO disaster I find it weird that so many people are so farking silent then when they finally say something--it's to biatch because the conservatives finally said something. WTF? HEAD SPINS
 
2010-05-01 03:12:17 AM
Surool: How is it not BPs fault for not having the resources to deal with a situation like this? They punched a hole into a pressurized pocket beneath the seafloor and didn't have the proper safety precautions in place.

Um they did but that bit turned into tiny shrapnel when it EXPLODED...
 
2010-05-01 03:12:52 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: Surool: How is it not BPs fault for not having the resources to deal with a situation like this? They punched a hole into a pressurized pocket beneath the seafloor and didn't have the proper safety precautions in place.

If only we, like other off-shore drilling nations, had mandated the use of an acoustic switch.... You know, a regulation to keep greedy companies from endangering things by cutting costs to maximize profits?


Apparently our politicians are the cheapest in the world.
 
2010-05-01 03:14:08 AM
On a serious note...is their anything that Obama hasn't screwed up? What a total embarrassment he is to our country. Does anyone remember him trying to enter the White House through a window when he mistook it for a door? Total hilarity! Or the simple words he has misspelled on camera...especially when he filled out his NCAA brackets on ESPN. Or the total look of horror that overcomes him when his teleprompter breaks down! I could go on for days, but the bottom line is that this guy is a laughingstock and certainly not strong or smart enough to handle small problems and certainly out of his league during a real crisis. Most likely he's a nice young man, but obviously in way over his head!
 
2010-05-01 03:14:38 AM
Cup_O_Jo: Surool: How is it not BPs fault for not having the resources to deal with a situation like this? They punched a hole into a pressurized pocket beneath the seafloor and didn't have the proper safety precautions in place.

Um they did but that bit turned into tiny shrapnel when it EXPLODED...


So, they aren't responsible for rapid response when their own equipment fails?
 
2010-05-01 03:16:16 AM
Cup_O_Jo: Mrtraveler01: Cup_O_Jo: If only black people would have been on that oil rig...THERE I SAID IT. Where's the outrage? Where's the Government Conspiracy? Where's the "HOW DARE HE?" Why does Obama hate white rough necks?

Gotta try a little harder than that to stir up the outrage. But you're getting there.

Not stirring up outrage as much as laying it out how it really seems. If Bush were still in office the Eco freaks would have been everywhere freaking out throwing malatov cocktails at the White House. But this guy pretty much ignores this shiat for a week...then get's a "general findings" report from the Coast Guard a WEEK later- the Navy is there--no one knows why--and NOAA makes a small speech. It's just amazing and kind of creepy that the President who just a month ago said he wants to drill off the coast--all the sudden--has nothing to say.. It's odd. Then to add to the strange his "followers" seem to be all upset that Fox News waits A WEEK to call him on it--then they get all pissy. It's just like..N o the mother farker should have been called out immediately and done something. Considering the EPIC proportion of this ECO disaster I find it weird that so many people are so farking silent then when they finally say something--it's to biatch because the conservatives finally said something. WTF? HEAD SPINS


Well part of it should be blammed on the Coast Guard and their initial predictions that oil was not leaking. I mean I think Obama stayed on top of it from the initial explosion. But it was hard to play catch up when you guess wrong in regards to how much oil was leaking out.
 
2010-05-01 03:18:48 AM
rjkline: On a serious note...is their anything that Obama hasn't screwed up? What a total embarrassment he is to our country. Does anyone remember him trying to enter the White House through a window when he mistook it for a door? Total hilarity! Or the simple words he has misspelled on camera...especially when he filled out his NCAA brackets on ESPN. Or the total look of horror that overcomes him when his teleprompter breaks down! I could go on for days, but the bottom line is that this guy is a laughingstock and certainly not strong or smart enough to handle small problems and certainly out of his league during a real crisis. Most likely he's a nice young man, but obviously in way over his head!

I know, I only wished I voted for McCain and Caribou Barbie instead.
 
2010-05-01 03:19:05 AM
Barack Obama don't care about black littoral zones
 
2010-05-01 03:19:38 AM
Cup_O_Jo: Considering the EPIC proportion of this ECO disaster I find it weird that so many people are so farking silent then when they finally say something--it's to biatch because the conservatives finally said something. WTF? HEAD SPINS

Obama gets a free pass on any idiotic pronouncement he makes. Whether it's gleefully claiming that he's going to make energy prices soar, saying that at some point you've made enough money, calling cops idiots for making a legitimate arrest just because the suspect is an angry black man, etc, doesn't matter. His supporters have bought into the kool aid so hard that they will deny he ever said these things, and when denial becomes impossible they equivocate and say it doesn't matter.

Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis.
 
2010-05-01 03:21:24 AM
Surool: So, they aren't responsible for rapid response when their own equipment fails?

If it failed on its own that would be one thing. If it was sabotaged then no, not so much.
 
2010-05-01 03:23:47 AM
Phaid: Surool: So, they aren't responsible for rapid response when their own equipment fails?

If it failed on its own that would be one thing. If it was sabotaged then no, not so much.


It was sabotaged?
 
2010-05-01 03:23:49 AM
electronicmaji: downtownant: electronicmaji: But FEMA has been on the scene since the fire first started. They were the ones that farking put it out.

The Gulf of Mexico put the fire out. The rig sank.

No i'm pretty sure they had trawlers their with firehoses they showed footage on the news.


Or, you know, they could have been supply boats that were working the field the Deepwater Horizon was in.
 
2010-05-01 03:24:19 AM
Phaid: Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis.

Wrong. It's just hard to take criticism over this crisis seriously when you cons are jumping for joy over Obama finally "having a Katrina". You already tried this when the ice storm hit Kentucky and it didn't stick then, so you are making sure to lay it on thick this time around. If you'd stop masturbating about it for ten seconds maybe your criticism would have more impact?
 
2010-05-01 03:24:41 AM
Phaid: Surool: So, they aren't responsible for rapid response when their own equipment fails?

If it failed on its own that would be one thing. If it was sabotaged then no, not so much.


Are you one of those conspiracy theory people? Geez, give the authorities time to investigate the matter before jumping to conclusions.
 
2010-05-01 03:25:26 AM
Phaid: Cup_O_Jo: Considering the EPIC proportion of this ECO disaster I find it weird that so many people are so farking silent then when they finally say something--it's to biatch because the conservatives finally said something. WTF? HEAD SPINS

Obama gets a free pass on any idiotic pronouncement he makes. Whether it's gleefully claiming that he's going to make energy prices soar, saying that at some point you've made enough money, calling cops idiots for making a legitimate arrest just because the suspect is an angry black man, etc, doesn't matter. His supporters have bought into the kool aid so hard that they will deny he ever said these things, and when denial becomes impossible they equivocate and say it doesn't matter.

Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis.


how's that haterade tasting?
 
2010-05-01 03:26:46 AM
Phaid: Surool: So, they aren't responsible for rapid response when their own equipment fails?

If it failed on its own that would be one thing. If it was sabotaged then no, not so much.


You're an idiot.

In any hazardous industry, the permit holder is required to have contingency plans and is responsible for the safety of the assets -- including threats from sabotage, if that's even remotely likely to happen.

Do a few HAZOPS sessions and get back to me.
 
2010-05-01 03:29:26 AM
Of course it was sabotage. We all know what happened here...

img338.imageshack.us
 
2010-05-01 03:33:41 AM
jerry2a: Of course it was sabotage. We all know what happened here...

OMG, Obama is General Zod. It all makes sense now.

/kneel before Zod...I mean Obama
 
2010-05-01 03:40:00 AM
You'd better drive this dirty Datsun
Into the Gulf of Mexico
 
2010-05-01 04:15:31 AM
Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.
 
2010-05-01 04:18:39 AM
ElQue: Mentat: So what exactly is Obama supposed to do, dive down and fix the spill himself? This came out of no where, everyone is doing everything they can to contain this, and BP has accepted full responsibility.

Republicans are desperate to pin this on Obama just like the failure of the Bush administration regarding Katrina. It's farking pathetic.


Exactly. It's more of the "I can't think of anything intelligent to say about Obama so I'll just accuse him of Bush's failings". You even get people (who voted for Bush) claiming Obama is Bush's 3rd term.
 
2010-05-01 04:21:35 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a major US ecosystem is destroyed.
 
2010-05-01 04:30:53 AM
Poison Appleseeds:
those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a major US ecosystem is destroyed.


Wait for the impact on the economy. You'll get BP spending metric craptons of money for clean-up and PR footage of rock-scrubbing to local LA contractors, who will become very, very rich, and corrupt the LA legislators for a couple of decades.

/worked for AK...
 
2010-05-01 04:34:48 AM
media.economist.com

To be fair the Democrats were dumb to listen to the Republicans about offshore drilling
 
2010-05-01 04:40:03 AM
kmmontandon: 2. Bush wasn't responsible for Hurricane Katrina. However, as President, he was responsible for the agency that handled disaster relief, that being FEMA. He appointed a completely unqualified, incompetent jackass to lead the agency, thus making its flailing response HIS FAULT. Period.



Of course the massive failures by the local and state gov'ts do not matter to you at all. The deaths were attributed to the lack of action at that level, not the federal.


You can absolutely make a convincing case that the Obama administration did not act swiftly enough with this leaking well, and that this is a failed response. Believe me, more news agencies other than FOX will be bringing this up.


Now if the left was not such a bunch of pissed-mouth whiners about Bush for years and years, you might not expect such comparisons to made so definitively and so quickly, but payback is a biatch and your messiah is going to get butthurt.
 
2010-05-01 04:43:08 AM
The ice storm in Kentucky The Gulf Coast oil spill is Obama's Katrina, OMG!!!!!11

Pathetic and offensive.
 
2010-05-01 04:43:37 AM
Phaid: Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis



THIS2


The press and his sycophants will lie for, apologize for and rationalize for to protect him
 
2010-05-01 04:44:31 AM
NEDM: electronicmaji: downtownant: electronicmaji: But FEMA has been on the scene since the fire first started. They were the ones that farking put it out.

The Gulf of Mexico put the fire out. The rig sank.

No i'm pretty sure they had trawlers their with firehoses they showed footage on the news.

Or, you know, they could have been supply boats that were working the field the Deepwater Horizon was in.


No

inapcache.boston.com

they were boats putting out a fire

Also they were on the scene with robots immedietly after trying to stop the leak.

inapcache.boston.com
 
2010-05-01 04:47:38 AM
Wait, Republicans care about the environment now? When did this sh*t happen?
 
2010-05-01 04:48:17 AM
Phil Herup: Phaid: Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis

THIS2

The press and his sycophants will lie for, apologize for and rationalize for to protect him


Get back to me when the Obama administration's incompetence destroys a major city.
 
2010-05-01 04:49:02 AM
robsul82: The ice storm in Kentucky The Gulf Coast oil spill is Obama's Katrina, OMG!!!!!11

Pathetic and offensive.


Close....you are so close:

i253.photobucket.com

/reposted
//I am sad for my hometown
 
2010-05-01 04:49:32 AM
BUT SEE THE GOLF OF MEXICO HAS THE WORD MEXICO IN IT SO IT MUST BE CONNECTED TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
 
2010-05-01 04:50:06 AM
davidphogan: Get back to me when the Obama administration's incompetence destroys a major city.


t1.gstatic.com


Are you actually that obtuse? Did you really say that?
 
2010-05-01 04:51:14 AM
SHR RAM CLOSE.........SHR RAM CLOSE!
 
2010-05-01 04:51:54 AM
Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a SEVERAL major US ecosystemS is are destroyed.


FTFY
 
2010-05-01 04:54:06 AM
wildsnowllama: Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a SEVERAL major US ecosystemS is are destroyed.

FTFY


YES
 
2010-05-01 04:58:28 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: Get back to me when the Obama administration's incompetence destroys a major city.

Are you actually that obtuse? Did you really say that?


If you want to compare it to Katrina, I said it.
 
2010-05-01 05:00:44 AM
Poison Appleseeds: wildsnowllama: Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a SEVERAL major US ecosystemS is are destroyed.

FTFY

YES


...and pay no attention to the emerging pattern of unsafe work conditions in the US energy industry.
 
2010-05-01 05:04:37 AM
davidphogan: If you want to compare it to Katrina, I said it.



The comparisons are already starting and they are accurate. Expect more to come out today and continue.

There was a definite lack of action, and if you want to talk about destruction possibilities, this could be bigger. The entire Gulf Coast could be both physically and economically ruined.


Obama was too concerned deciding when people have "made enough money" and criticizing AZ's new law.
 
2010-05-01 05:06:15 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: Poison Appleseeds: wildsnowllama: Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a SEVERAL major US ecosystemS is are destroyed.

FTFY

YES

...and pay no attention to the emerging pattern of unsafe work conditions in the US energy industry.


That's right. At this moment I don't give a shiat about your working conditions. Are you so dense you can't see that there is a situation going on right now more important than your little agenda. Perhaps you can hold off on you ranting until AFTER THE OIL STOPS LEAKING INTO THE FARKING OCEAN@
 
2010-05-01 05:07:55 AM
CamelToe: robsul82: The ice storm in Kentucky The Gulf Coast oil spill is Obama's Katrina, OMG!!!!!11

Pathetic and offensive.

Close....you are so close:



/reposted
//I am sad for my hometown


Wait, I forgot a few -

H1N1 vaccine shortage

GM bankruptcy

Fort Hood shootings

The underwear bomber

Haiti earthquake


And of course, as stated, Kentucky ice storm
 
2010-05-01 05:11:05 AM
Phil Herup: and criticizing AZ's new law.

So you're admitting the Republicans distracted him from doing his job? Nice work.
 
2010-05-01 05:11:33 AM
Poison Appleseeds:
That's right. At this moment I don't give a shiat about your working conditions. Are you so dense you can't see that there is a situation going on right now more important than your little agenda. Perhaps you can hold off on you ranting until AFTER THE OIL STOPS LEAKING INTO THE FARKING OCEAN@


Perhaps if there were a little more ranting about safety, regulation and licensing, there'd be no spill, no dead miners, and no dead roughnecks.
 
2010-05-01 05:14:30 AM
davidphogan: So you're admitting the Republicans distracted him from doing his job?



wow.... you really are quite the apologist.

Impressive. Are you Robert Gibbs?

Did you realize you just admitted he did not do his job? Thanks
 
2010-05-01 05:26:23 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: So you're admitting the Republicans distracted him from doing his job?



wow.... you really are quite the apologist.

Impressive. Are you Robert Gibbs?

Did you realize you just admitted he did not do his job? Thanks


No, but by your argument, he didn't do his job. You cited the Republicans as a reason he didn't have time to do his job. That would make them partially responsible.
 
2010-05-01 05:31:22 AM
davidphogan: You cited the Republicans as a reason he didn't have time to do his job.



No I did not. I said Obama was busy criticizing the new law, which nothing to do with the Republicans.


davidphogan: That would make them partially responsible.

Unreal. They did not force Obama to do anything. The fact that you can even come up with this and expect anyone to believe it is insane.

The only person responsible for Obama actions is Obama.
 
2010-05-01 05:41:49 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: If you want to compare it to Katrina, I said it.



The comparisons are already starting and they are accurate. Expect more to come out today and continue.

There was a definite lack of action, and if you want to talk about destruction possibilities, this could be bigger. The entire Gulf Coast could be both physically and economically ruined.


Obama was too concerned deciding when people have "made enough money" and criticizing AZ's new law.


1) What exactly do you think could have been done by the federal government? Cap the well? Drill a new one?
2) How is this going to be any different from the ice storm in early 2009, when conservative bloggers were going around saying "this is Obama's Katrina!"? When that - also - wasn't.

Face it - they're not accurate, but none of that matters. Only the noise dose.
 
2010-05-01 05:45:58 AM
Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Poison Appleseeds: wildsnowllama: Poison Appleseeds: Lenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

ThLenny_da_Hog: Another 30 or 40 stories about the environmental impact, and we might just forget that they killed 11 people.

those people are dead. Noone can do anything about that now. But, someone better figure something out and quick before a SEVERAL major US ecosystemS is are destroyed.

FTFY

YES

...and pay no attention to the emerging pattern of unsafe work conditions in the US energy industry.

That's right. At this moment I don't give a shiat about your working conditions. Are you so dense you can't see that there is a situation going on right now more important than your little agenda. Perhaps you can hold off on you ranting until AFTER THE OIL STOPS LEAKING INTO THE FARKING OCEAN@


Well I'm glad someone finally told Lenny to get back to work on stopping this oil leak instead of posting on Fark. Thank you.

What do you want to talk about?
 
2010-05-01 05:52:26 AM
We (the United States) allow oil companies to drill in waters off our coast.

They say they will do so by following regulations set up by the Feds.

If they promise to do so and don't how is that the governments fault?

"Hey, we are going to make some profits if everything goes right, but if we have a spill would you help us clean it up? We weren't ready for that like we promised either."

I mean what's the worst that could happen?

I think we are going to find out.
 
2010-05-01 05:55:07 AM
What I don't understand is why Obama ignored the warnings in the days leading up to the explosion. People were saying up to 3 days prior to this disaster that "this oil rig is going to explode". I don't know why Obama would be so slow to react to such a predictable event.
 
2010-05-01 05:55:49 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: You cited the Republicans as a reason he didn't have time to do his job.

No I did not. I said Obama was busy criticizing the new law, which nothing to do with the Republicans.


Really? Their hysterical whargarble about illegals had nothing to do with the new law?

Phil Herup: The only person responsible for Obama actions is Obama.

You said the same about Bush when???
 
2010-05-01 05:56:52 AM
davidphogan: Phil Herup: davidphogan: You cited the Republicans as a reason he didn't have time to do his job.

No I did not. I said Obama was busy criticizing the new law, which nothing to do with the Republicans.

Really? Their hysterical whargarble about illegals had nothing to do with the new law?

Phil Herup: The only person responsible for Obama actions is Obama.

You said the same about Bush when???


Ease up, Bush will be held responsible when he makes his first mistake.
 
2010-05-01 05:59:23 AM
davidphogan: Really?



Yes really. BTW, they did not "distract" the President. Are you that easily distracted?


davidphogan: You said the same about Bush when???


LOL... you FARK Libstm are all the same. When faced with reality, redirect and go B..B..Bush
 
2010-05-01 06:01:30 AM
Phil Herup: When faced with reality, redirect and go B..B..Bush

Back up your claims then.
 
2010-05-01 06:03:33 AM
davidphogan: Back up your claims then.



LOL Too funny.
 
2010-05-01 06:03:52 AM
Phil Herup: LOL... you FARK Libstm are all the same. When faced with reality, redirect and go B..B..Bush

I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card more than you accuse others of using the race card.
 
2010-05-01 06:04:44 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: Back up your claims then.

LOL Too funny.


Asking a known troll to prove what they claim is funny, I know.
 
2010-05-01 06:05:29 AM
1) Republicans write and pass a law
2) Obama makes remarks on said law
3) Obama is only able to do one thing in any given day
4) Obama does not respond to the oil spill because of 2 and 3
5) Obama is thus distracted and destroys the Gulf Coast as a result
6) Republicans have no part in any of this (1 doesn't count)
7) This is Obama's Katrina

*editor's note: some points may or may not be accurate
 
2010-05-01 06:07:23 AM
morrach: I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card


Wow. You actually call that the "B..B..Bush card"?


You are the ones still bringing up Bush, maybe you should stop.
 
2010-05-01 06:08:20 AM
davidphogan: Asking a known troll to prove what they claim is funny, I know.



It is right in front of everyone's faces right now.
 
2010-05-01 06:08:53 AM
davidphogan: Phil Herup: davidphogan: Back up your claims then.

LOL Too funny.

Asking a known troll to prove what they claim is funny, I know.


For those that don't get what comedy is, it's Phil claiming that something worse than what Bush did happened, then telling me off for citing Bush. Double-standards don't matter for trolls apparently.

Phil agreed with: Point being, it is impossible for Obama to "have a Katrina" because people are too wilfully blind, and the media is too afraid of him, to point out how incompetently he handles a crisis

Yup, we can't imagine him failing a crisis, because that's never been done before.
 
2010-05-01 06:10:20 AM
davidphogan: Double-standards don't matter for trolls apparently.



Oh please. The Democrats and FARK LibsTM live by the double standard.
 
2010-05-01 06:11:04 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: If you want to compare it to Katrina, I said it.



The comparisons are already starting and they are accurate. Expect more to come out today and continue.

There was a definite lack of action, and if you want to talk about destruction possibilities, this could be bigger. The entire Gulf Coast could be both physically and economically ruined.


Obama was too concerned deciding when people have "made enough money" and criticizing AZ's new law.


Talk specifics what exactly could Obama have done that he didn't. He had FEMA and the Coast Guard on the scene with robots to try and stop the leak and buoys too try and contain them. The logistics of the matter are extremely complicated. Stopping the actual leak itself takes a lot of technology that can not be set up overnight. Containing it is very hard.

The Obama Administration was on the scene as soon as the accident occurred and immedietly started trying to contain the spill once they learned that it was leaking as much as it was. But as the article states it was BP who misled public officials about how much oil was spilling out and ultimately their responsibility when it comes to response times.
 
2010-05-01 06:11:13 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: Double-standards don't matter for trolls apparently.



Oh please. The Democrats and FARK LibsTM live by the double standard.


And you and GaryPDX live by moving the goal posts.
 
2010-05-01 06:11:59 AM
davidphogan: moving the goal posts.



No goal posts have been moved.
 
2010-05-01 06:13:16 AM
ROBOTS!
 
2010-05-01 06:14:31 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: moving the goal posts.

No goal posts have been moved.


So what did Obama fark up with regards to the Gulf Coast compared to Bush? How is this similar to Katrina? Please, provide examples.
 
2010-05-01 06:21:20 AM
Phil Herup: morrach: I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card


Wow. You actually call that the "B..B..Bush card"?


You are the ones still bringing up Bush, maybe you should stop.



So we are not to discuss Bush when responding to negative comparisons between Obama and Bush? That's kind of unreasonable.
 
2010-05-01 06:27:52 AM
morrach: Phil Herup: morrach: I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card

Wow. You actually call that the "B..B..Bush card"?

You are the ones still bringing up Bush, maybe you should stop.


So we are not to discuss Bush when responding to negative comparisons between Obama and Bush? That's kind of unreasonable.


He typically trolls threads with no real point other than trying to trash the Fark LibsTM, as he puts anyone who disagrees. It's like arguing with a wall, but my walls are boring tonight.
 
2010-05-01 06:34:30 AM
Hick: Heck of a job Obama Brownie.

FTFY
 
2010-05-01 06:38:16 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: Double-standards don't matter for trolls apparently.



Oh please. The Democrats and FARK LibsTM live by the double standard.


So vote Republican?
 
2010-05-01 06:41:33 AM
Mrtraveler01: I know, I only wished I voted for McCain and Caribou Barbie instead.

I hear you're too young to vote, "Mr".
 
2010-05-01 06:47:06 AM
It's stupid and wrong to be political and try to use this against Obama, but perfectly fine to be political and to use this against Palin.

This changes nothing at all, we still need energy and we are not going to tree hug our way out of it with wind turbines and solar panels. We're not going to conserve our way out of the problem with energy efficient houses and machines either. We need to develop energy from all sources, wind, oil, solar, natural gas, hydro electric, coal, and whatever else we can think of.

Any solution that does not include oil, natural gas and coal is moronic.

Any solution that does not include renewables is short sighted.
 
2010-05-01 06:48:46 AM
morrach: Phil Herup: morrach: I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card


Wow. You actually call that the "B..B..Bush card"?


You are the ones still bringing up Bush, maybe you should stop.


So we are not to discuss Bush when responding to negative comparisons between Obama and Bush? That's kind of unreasonable.


Can't you farking people just put this twat on your ignore list like the rest of us?
 
2010-05-01 06:53:38 AM
Phil Moskowitz: Can't you farking people just put this twat on your ignore list like the rest of us?

I like to antogonize him until he goes back to his usual screen name. Then Libbynomo, er, JSA, can step in.
 
2010-05-01 06:55:38 AM
davidphogan: I like to antogonize him until he goes back to his usual screen name.

This is me bowing before your mighty, mighty Internet Superpowers.
 
2010-05-01 06:56:13 AM
Phil Moskowitz: morrach: Phil Herup: morrach: I swear you conservative shiat-eaters use the b-b-Bush card


Wow. You actually call that the "B..B..Bush card"?


You are the ones still bringing up Bush, maybe you should stop.


So we are not to discuss Bush when responding to negative comparisons between Obama and Bush? That's kind of unreasonable.

Can't you farking people just put this twat on your ignore list like the rest of us?



Who the hell goes to a roller coaster park and skips the roller coasters?
 
2010-05-01 06:57:35 AM
Hetfield: davidphogan: I like to antogonize him until he goes back to his usual screen name.

This is me bowing before your mighty, mighty Internet Superpowers.


Please don't. I'm just a cheap-ass who is easily entertained by defeating trolls with their own version of logic.
 
2010-05-01 06:58:22 AM
Oh.
 
2010-05-01 07:00:13 AM
LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!!

CANT YOU SEE HOW BLACK HE IS!?!?
 
2010-05-01 07:03:57 AM
nothing but trolling. even cnn has taken the bait. GJ!
 
2010-05-01 07:35:40 AM
Drill it

thepatriotaxe.com
 
2010-05-01 07:46:36 AM
The chocolate city will now be dipped in crude oil.

I think Michelle Obama has a penis.
 
2010-05-01 07:52:24 AM
I don't understand why the president has to go to the Gulf to look at something that he has no control over resolving. He's very busy in DC making sure our country is turned into a socialist dicatorship. Can't you people see the greater good here?
 
2010-05-01 07:58:19 AM
Vindibudd: I don't understand why the president has to go to the Gulf to look at something that he has no control over resolving. He's very busy in DC making sure our country is turned into a socialist dicatorship. Can't you people see the greater good here?

Oh, come on, this isn't anywhere NEAR as good as your usual trolling. Go get some coffe and come back when you feel like putting some effort into it.
 
2010-05-01 08:05:15 AM
Just wanted to give you guys a break between your "lawl Palin" and "blame Obama" pissing contest to remind you that there are real people who will probably lose there livelihood because of this.
 
2010-05-01 08:08:14 AM
"Critics say?"
 
2010-05-01 08:16:18 AM
Do you know who is dumber than Phil Herup? Every single person that replies to him.
 
2010-05-01 08:20:52 AM
People like to blame people when things go wrong to make themselves feel better about the world.

We have no clue what happened. Get over yourselves.
 
2010-05-01 08:22:31 AM
FTA 210,000 gallons a day...Experts are claiming that the spill could become the worst in history.

Either the experts think this spill will be allowed to continue for another 6 YEARS or the author made a typo and meant to put "idiots" rather than "experts."

The worst spill in history was between about 460 million barrels. The second worst was about 140 million barrels. This won't even be runner up unless we completely ignore it.
 
2010-05-01 08:27:42 AM
snakespm: Just wanted to give you guys a break between your "lawl Palin" and "blame Obama" pissing contest to remind you that there are real people who will probably lose there livelihood because of this.

...most of whom are republican...
 
2010-05-01 08:30:59 AM
Shatner's Bassoon: Do you know who is dumber than Phil Herup? Every single person that replies to him.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS
 
2010-05-01 08:33:39 AM
JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm:
...most of whom are republican...


Does it really matter if they are republicans or democrats?
 
2010-05-01 08:36:19 AM
ghare: Vindibudd: I don't understand why the president has to go to the Gulf to look at something that he has no control over resolving. He's very busy in DC making sure our country is turned into a socialist dicatorship. Can't you people see the greater good here?

Oh, come on, this isn't anywhere NEAR as good as your usual trolling. Go get some coffe and come back when you feel like putting some effort into it.


But it amused me and that's what my goal was and I succeeded magnificently.
 
2010-05-01 08:46:07 AM
I love science fiction thinkers.

Just because you have billions of dollars to throw at something, no matter how quickly you get on it, no matter how well armed you are, and no matter how much you really, really, really want there to be a fix, SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T ONE.

Compare Katrina. The needs were clear and incremental. Food. Shelter. Transport. Security. Obvious steps, albeit devilishly hard in the circumstances (I'm not the biggest blame-gamer there).

Compare this. If BP, TransOcean, and Halliburton, multibillion-dollar experts in oil exploration, don't have a farking clue how to shut this off or contain it (and they'd really, really like to), is the US supposed to have some magic Buck Rodgers machine that makes everything right, that Obama was just taking for joyrides on the Potomac? Something with Bruce Willis riding an atomic bomb, I presume?

This is beside the obvious point that there were Coasties on the scene at hour 1, not day 1.
 
2010-05-01 08:55:06 AM
BP has actually done A TON of stuff in the past 8 days.

They combined with the Navy and the coast guard have been working extremely hard on dealing with this.

Unfortunately we have partisan morons who listen to mark levin and other dumbasses who rail against everything their opponents do so whatever.
 
2010-05-01 08:58:05 AM
Lawnchair: I love science fiction thinkers.

Just because you have billions of dollars to throw at something, no matter how quickly you get on it, no matter how well armed you are, and no matter how much you really, really, really want there to be a fix, SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T ONE.

Compare Katrina. The needs were clear and incremental. Food. Shelter. Transport. Security. Obvious steps, albeit devilishly hard in the circumstances (I'm not the biggest blame-gamer there).

Compare this. If BP, TransOcean, and Halliburton, multibillion-dollar experts in oil exploration, don't have a farking clue how to shut this off or contain it (and they'd really, really like to), is the US supposed to have some magic Buck Rodgers machine that makes everything right, that Obama was just taking for joyrides on the Potomac? Something with Bruce Willis riding an atomic bomb, I presume?

This is beside the obvious point that there were Coasties on the scene at hour 1, not day 1.


So you're saying the US doesn't have a magic Buck Rodgers machine?
 
2010-05-01 09:01:42 AM
kmmontandon: Hick: Heck of a job Obama.
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.


OK, folks, time to break this down with small words for the Palin-Americans.

1. There are no SWAT teams. You're an idiot for mentioning them.

To summarize, you're both idiots, and so are all your Fox News fellating ilk.


You would be right except for the fact that you are dead wrong. From CBS news (not known as a right wing network)

"Mr. Obama said SWAT teams were being dispatched to the Gulf to investigate oil rigs and said his administration is now working to determine the cause of the disaster." (new window)
/go back to the DU or HP for your news because you obviously don't know what the hell you are trolling.

Question: WTH will a SWAT team do on a farking oil well? I realize you are full of stupid so I will let you ask a friend so you can offer a coherent answer.
 
2010-05-01 09:02:53 AM
This clusterf00k is going to be really interesting come hurricane season if kilobarrel+ seepage continues for months....
 
2010-05-01 09:07:06 AM
Hick: Heck of a job Obama.

Heck of a post, Obvious Troll.

No, scratch that; boring and obvious and stupid post, Boring Cliche Wrapped in Skin.
 
2010-05-01 09:11:50 AM
Lawnchair:

there were Coasties on the scene at hour 1, not day 1.

Adm. Allen. scheduled to retire in May 2010. Gonna miss him.
 
2010-05-01 09:16:53 AM
This is the second thread I've posted this in, please read it, (new window) digest it, and put away the zombie SWAT talking point. From here

a Friday column by Ed O'Keefe at the Washington Post (new window), which explains, "The department deployed SWAT teams from the Minerals Management Service to inspect 30 drilling rigs operating in the deepwater sections of the Gulf of Mexico. Inspections should be completed within the next week, according to an Interior Department spokeswoman. Inspectors will check to see whether the rigs have conducted blow-out preventer tests and inspect related records."

The key here is that the teams were sent out by the Minerals Management Service, a section of the Department of the Interior which "plays a key role in America's energy supply by managing the mineral resources on 1.7 billion acres of the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). This includes managing Renewable Energy Programs as well as Offshore Oil and Gas Leasing in Federal waters."

Although ithe acronym is not entirely clear, "SWAT" in this context could simply stand for "Swift Action Team," or it might represent something similar to the "soil and water assessment tool" used by the Department of Agriculture to monitor complex watersheds.


SWAT does not mean what you think it means. You're welcome for the education.
 
2010-05-01 09:25:54 AM
snakespm: Just wanted to give you guys a break between your "lawl Palin" and "blame Obama" pissing contest to remind you that there are real people who will probably lose there livelihood because of this.

Yeah, that's sad, but my magic carpet isn't working right now, so I need gas for my car and so do you. Therefore, I'm not wagging my finger at anyone at the moment.
 
2010-05-01 09:30:53 AM
You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

But what's even more pathetic is the great 'leader', B. Hussein Obama, continually reversing himself on the decision to explore for oil and how to look decisive on this current fiasco.


Just as soon as he's ready, we will no doubt be thrilled by another of The Messiah'sTM soaring oratories on his bold and decisive action...

i42.tinypic.com
 
2010-05-01 09:38:20 AM
graggor: BP has actually done A TON of stuff in the past 8 days.

They combined with the Navy and the coast guard have been working extremely hard on dealing with this.

Unfortunately we have partisan morons who listen to mark levin and other dumbasses who rail against everything their opponents do so whatever.


BP's maintenance and safety records say otherwise. It's kinda why they had their asses hauled before congress a few years ago.
 
2010-05-01 09:40:15 AM
snakespm: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm:
...most of whom are republican...

Does it really matter if they are republicans or democrats?


Apparently it does to this President.
 
kab
2010-05-01 09:45:53 AM
kmmontandon: 3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

See, I have a problem with leaving this mess up to a farking oil company to fix. And if you don't agree, you may want to look back at how the Exxon spill was(n't) handled.

I'd prefer a "hey, you farked up. But we're going to pretty much do what you should be doing to clean this up and you'll get the bill later".

Then again, it's just ecology, right? I mean.. we're capitalists. Little green rectangular pieces of paper are FAR more important than our surroundings.

I'm suprised the right isn't pissed off that money is being spent on the cleanup in the first place.
 
2010-05-01 09:54:36 AM
davidphogan: I'm just a cheap-ass who is easily entertained by defeating trolls with their own version of logic.


Well you are living in a dream world if you think you've defeated anyone.
 
2010-05-01 09:56:25 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: I'm just a cheap-ass who is easily entertained by defeating trolls with their own version of logic.


Well you are living in a dream world if you think you've defeated anyone.


The whole point of a troll is to watch someone go after it. An authentic troll does not seek to win or lose an argument.
 
2010-05-01 09:56:35 AM
Hmmm, wonder what that guy said in reply. Fortunately, I can't see it.

Suck it suck it suck it suck it suck it. BUAHAHAHAHA
 
2010-05-01 09:56:51 AM
kab: kmmontandon: 3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

See, I have a problem with leaving this mess up to a farking oil company to fix. And if you don't agree, you may want to look back at how the Exxon spill was(n't) handled.

I'd prefer a "hey, you farked up. But we're going to pretty much do what you should be doing to clean this up and you'll get the bill later".

Then again, it's just ecology, right? I mean.. we're capitalists. Little green rectangular pieces of paper are FAR more important than our surroundings.

I'm suprised the right isn't pissed off that money is being spent on the cleanup in the first place.


What? Why? The right loves oil! Why should they be pissed off that the Federal government is spending huge amounts of money to save a private corporation from the consequences of it's own bad decisions?

Oh.

Well all right then!
 
2010-05-01 09:57:33 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: graggor: BP has actually done A TON of stuff in the past 8 days.

They combined with the Navy and the coast guard have been working extremely hard on dealing with this.

Unfortunately we have partisan morons who listen to mark levin and other dumbasses who rail against everything their opponents do so whatever.

BP's maintenance and safety records say otherwise. It's kinda why they had their asses hauled before congress a few years ago.


Dood. I am talking about this crisis. Not what led up to the crisis. We do not even know the cause of the accident. Accidents occur. Nothing in this life will be 100% preventable. IT is how we deal with our accidents that matter. RIght now BP is doing a lot and working with the NAVY, Coast Guard and thousands and thousands of people to clean this up.

A lot better than EXXON did in 1989.
 
2010-05-01 09:58:53 AM
Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

And you'd be defending him, so what does that make you for attacking Obama now?
 
2010-05-01 09:59:01 AM
Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

But what's even more pathetic is the great 'leader', B. Hussein Obama, continually reversing himself on the decision to explore for oil and how to look decisive on this current fiasco.


Just as soon as he's ready, we will no doubt be thrilled by another of The Messiah'sTM soaring oratories on his bold and decisive action...


A) they proper agencies reacted very quickly
B) there isn't a whole helluva lot you can do when a 1,000,000 gallons of oil is released off a coast line. All those booms and equipment are next to useless. Superheroes would helpful though. It is like trying to put tooth past back in the tube after your kids have squeezed it all over the dog.
 
2010-05-01 09:59:10 AM
Emposter: kab: kmmontandon: 3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

See, I have a problem with leaving this mess up to a farking oil company to fix. And if you don't agree, you may want to look back at how the Exxon spill was(n't) handled.

I'd prefer a "hey, you farked up. But we're going to pretty much do what you should be doing to clean this up and you'll get the bill later".

Then again, it's just ecology, right? I mean.. we're capitalists. Little green rectangular pieces of paper are FAR more important than our surroundings.

I'm suprised the right isn't pissed off that money is being spent on the cleanup in the first place.

What? Why? The right loves oil! Why should they be pissed off that the Federal government is spending huge amounts of money to save a private corporation from the consequences of it's own bad decisions?

Oh.

Well all right then!


BP is spending billions to deal with this issue. They have to coordinate clean up with the government and are working with the NAVY and coast guard to deal with this issue.

THeir response is far better than 1989s response from exxon.
They do accept responsibility and will work to make things better in the gulf. Exxon did everything to blame others and put off paying up for 20 years.
 
2010-05-01 10:00:35 AM
Phil Herup: davidphogan: I'm just a cheap-ass who is easily entertained by defeating trolls with their own version of logic.


Well you are living in a dream world if you think you've defeated anyone.


You can't defeat people like yourselves. You never admit you are wrong even when it is painfully obvious.
 
2010-05-01 10:00:44 AM
This wouldn't have happened in the first place if it wasn't for the draconian government regulations. Just like the recent mining accident. If the companies were allowed to do what they needed to do instead of what they were demanded to do we'd all be better off.
 
2010-05-01 10:01:37 AM
the coast guard was there the day it happened with fire boats,

the navy coordinated with BP to help try to seal the leak on day 2.
they have been continually working since then to fix the issue.

the different epa boards, homeland security and lawyers are now being mobilized to fix this issue and focus on making plans using different resources to attack the leak.

i would say in week 1 a lot has been done.
 
2010-05-01 10:05:13 AM
graggor: Lenny_da_Hog: graggor: BP has actually done A TON of stuff in the past 8 days.

They combined with the Navy and the coast guard have been working extremely hard on dealing with this.

Unfortunately we have partisan morons who listen to mark levin and other dumbasses who rail against everything their opponents do so whatever.

BP's maintenance and safety records say otherwise. It's kinda why they had their asses hauled before congress a few years ago.

Dood. I am talking about this crisis. Not what led up to the crisis. We do not even know the cause of the accident. Accidents occur. Nothing in this life will be 100% preventable. IT is how we deal with our accidents that matter. RIght now BP is doing a lot and working with the NAVY, Coast Guard and thousands and thousands of people to clean this up.

A lot better than EXXON did in 1989.


Of course you're not talking about what led up to it, or what came from it, because they're full of FAIL.

The only thing BP has to do on those fields is MANAGE them -- that means planning for the SAFE development and transportation of the oil.

They had no catastrophic failure plan for a platform? No spill contingency planning? Their engineering and/or operations and/or maintenance and/or training were so slack that they had an explosion that killed eleven workers?

Doing what the cops tell you to do afterward doesn't make you a model citizen. In the oil industry, incident prevention is the business of management, period.
 
2010-05-01 10:06:13 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.

/laughable at best

// the US had better get used to this being in the news for a few months cause it will be that long before the wellhead is capped.

///it will be a hot and crappy summer on the Gulf Coast


People, People can we stop bickering about this and put the blame where it really belongs? On the incompetent company that built a rig that saw every one of its fail-safes fail?

That's right: let us all come together as a nation and kick Halliburton right square in the nuts for their shoddy construction and design of this thing.


With luck, we might get back in punitive damages all the money they stole from us in Iraq
 
2010-05-01 10:09:12 AM
graggor:
THeir response is far better than 1989s response from exxon.
They do accept responsibility and will work to make things better in the gulf. Exxon did everything to blame others and put off paying up for 20 years.


Exxon put TONS of cash into the front-end clean-up. That cash went to a company called Veco and turned them into international contractors almost overnight. They did it for the PR -- video of thousands of workers spraying rocks on PWS hitting the news every night bought them a little credibility.

That's the same thing BP is doing right now. They're doing what the Navy and CG are telling them to do, so when the civil suits hit later (which they most assuredly will fight, the same as Exxon did), they can say they "did everything they could."

The fact is, there should have been no explosion, and there should have been a catastrophic failure plan.
 
2010-05-01 10:09:13 AM
graggor: Emposter: kab: kmmontandon: 3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

See, I have a problem with leaving this mess up to a farking oil company to fix. And if you don't agree, you may want to look back at how the Exxon spill was(n't) handled.

I'd prefer a "hey, you farked up. But we're going to pretty much do what you should be doing to clean this up and you'll get the bill later".

Then again, it's just ecology, right? I mean.. we're capitalists. Little green rectangular pieces of paper are FAR more important than our surroundings.

I'm suprised the right isn't pissed off that money is being spent on the cleanup in the first place.

What? Why? The right loves oil! Why should they be pissed off that the Federal government is spending huge amounts of money to save a private corporation from the consequences of it's own bad decisions?

Oh.

Well all right then!

BP is spending billions to deal with this issue. They have to coordinate clean up with the government and are working with the NAVY and coast guard to deal with this issue.

THeir response is far better than 1989s response from exxon.
They do accept responsibility and will work to make things better in the gulf. Exxon did everything to blame others and put off paying up for 20 years.


A) So? You haven't explained how advocating massive government intervention meshes with the party of "let them fail."
B) If you think BP isn't going to spend massive amounts of money fighting the US's demands for repayment you are out of your mind.
 
2010-05-01 10:09:29 AM
Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

Shatner's Bassoon: And you'd be defending him, so what does that make you for attacking Obama now?



Liberal translation: Gato Negro is correct.

But you really can't blame The Annointed OneTM for dithering. That's simply the community organizer's style of 'leadership'. Plus, he has been kind of busy lately...

i40.tinypic.com
 
2010-05-01 10:09:58 AM
mrshowrules: You never admit you are wrong even when it is painfully obvious.



[looks around}


What is obvious?


1. Obama's lack of action on this for days and days
2. The Obammunists apologizing for him


That is quite obvious.
 
2010-05-01 10:10:24 AM
this is private property by the way.

BP told the government multiple times...WE CAN HANDLE THE SPILL...IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

So the government (per the usual) with its sever lack of authority and power over private issues despite what idiots like mark levin would like you to think...only did work on skimming the oil off and putting out fires.

4 days later government officials and scientists realized it was worse than BP was trying to say so immediate action went into place to do more than BP was doing and increase the effort.

the coast guard was there on day 1 that it happened. within 24 horus they were working.

it took 4 days to get those people out of the superdome. they didnt start evacuating it till day 3. Also they knew katrina would strike 2 days before and knew it was category 5 the day before it hit.

they did nothing till september 1st to get fema there and they were heavily disorganized and uncentralized. no command.

so it took less than 24 hours to mobilize these groups for the oil.

it took nearly 3 days after katrina when it should have had mobilized groups 2 days before.fark this bullshiat comparison.
 
2010-05-01 10:12:45 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: The fact is, there should have been no explosion



Dangerous jobs are dangerous. They deal with forces within the Earth that are beyond comparison in our industrial world.


High pressure + crude oil = danger
 
2010-05-01 10:14:44 AM
graggor: this is private property by the way.

BP told the government multiple times...WE CAN HANDLE THE SPILL...IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

So the government (per the usual) with its sever lack of authority and power over private issues despite what idiots like mark levin would like you to think...only did work on skimming the oil off and putting out fires.

4 days later government officials and scientists realized it was worse than BP was trying to say so immediate action went into place to do more than BP was doing and increase the effort.

the coast guard was there on day 1 that it happened. within 24 horus they were working.

it took 4 days to get those people out of the superdome. they didnt start evacuating it till day 3. Also they knew katrina would strike 2 days before and knew it was category 5 the day before it hit.

they did nothing till september 1st to get fema there and they were heavily disorganized and uncentralized. no command.

so it took less than 24 hours to mobilize these groups for the oil.

it took nearly 3 days after katrina when it should have had mobilized groups 2 days before.fark this bullshiat comparison.


Now now, don't let the facts distract you from the idea that both sides are teh bad! Context is a liberal conspiracy, the more reality supports you, the more obviously wrong you are.

/conservatroll....ENGAGE!
 
2010-05-01 10:15:29 AM
graggor: fark this bullshiat comparison.



Wow... that is some nice apologetics there.

t2.gstatic.com


Stay on your meds
 
2010-05-01 10:16:03 AM
Funny, I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.
 
2010-05-01 10:16:45 AM
Here in south Louisiana, the word has been going around (leaked by locals within BP) that British Petroleum had decided that the risk of a disaster involving an oil platform was so low it wasn't necessary to plan for it. Besides, it would have cost them money.

Ironically humorous to watch Jindall going into contortions trying to spin this whole thing: "This is terrible and we have to contain the damage -- and we don't know how it happened, but it wasn't the fault of the oil companies (who contributed heavily to my campaign) -- but Louisiana can't afford to pay for it, either -- and the federal government is too large and interferes in everything -- but we need massive federal assistance and intervention RIGHT NOW!"
 
2010-05-01 10:18:02 AM
Emposter: Context is a liberal conspiracy



It was fun to watch the libs try to use that concept to defend racist Sotomayor, they also employ nuance in the employment of their double standards.
 
2010-05-01 10:19:08 AM
cameroncrazy1984: I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.

He was too busy deciding when people have "made enough money".
 
2010-05-01 10:19:24 AM
cameroncrazy1984: Funny, I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.


Then you haven't read the news.

The OneTM has definitely been handling an instrument and eating 'something' in various hotel rooms recently, as enquiring minds have discovered...
 
2010-05-01 10:21:04 AM
Obama was too busy cheating on his wife to deal with the oil catastrophe.



So classic.
 
2010-05-01 10:24:09 AM
Comrade438: Restore the Han!
 
2010-05-01 10:28:02 AM



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2010-05-01 10:30:07 AM
phil: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.
But i suppose *anything* is a chance for you to score some points against obama. Show a little integrity for once eh, some of us are serious about being a conservative.
 
2010-05-01 10:31:38 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: Context is a liberal conspiracy



It was fun to watch the libs try to use that concept to defend racist Sotomayor, they also employ nuance in the employment of their double standards.


The best part is that Phil is completely unashamed of having this position.

It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter. Man, I wish I could find the thread where you adamantly claimed that it was racist to describe racism, because in doing so you may end up using some of the same terms, despite the fact that one is motivated by education and preventing racism, and the other is motivated by racism itself.
 
2010-05-01 10:32:28 AM
BP's been spending billions on its "green" image, in the same way the Republican party believes it can create its own reality through effective marketing.
Yes, you can convince people through endless lies and distortions, and people will believe you right up to the point when the real reality intervenes.
The redneck Riviera's been living off the oil teet for 50 years. Now reality has intervened.
Obama was a fool for backing offshore oil and nuclear in exchange for GOP votes he'll never get anyway. I expect a "transient" at one of our nuclear plants any day now.
 
2010-05-01 10:35:08 AM
Tymast: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.


As soon as the oil entered the water it became a problem for the gov't. Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.



Tymast: Show a little integrity for once eh


I am on point.
 
2010-05-01 10:36:53 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.

/laughable at best

// the US had better get used to this being in the news for a few months cause it will be that long before the wellhead is capped.

///it will be a hot and crappy summer on the Gulf Coast


And the hurricanes will push the oil farther inland.
Good farking job president Obama.
 
2010-05-01 10:39:11 AM
Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter.



I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.
 
2010-05-01 10:40:35 AM
Phil Herup: Tymast: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.


As soon as the oil entered the water it became a problem for the gov't. Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.


You don't mean to say that the government has some sort of responsibility to intervene when the actions of corporations harm the public, do you?

Who are you and what have you done with Phil, you evil liberal!?
 
2010-05-01 10:45:55 AM
Emposter: You don't mean to say that the government has some sort of responsibility to intervene when the actions of corporations harm the public, do you?



Well that is a blanket statement.


Define "harm". Oil spill or making too much money.
 
2010-05-01 10:46:03 AM
Phil Herup: Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.


So is protecting the border.

But B. Hussein Obama will probably be leading the illegal-immigrant parade in downtown Los Angeles today, smiling and twirling a baton...
 
2010-05-01 10:46:42 AM
Wow!

The Lefty DERP tears in here are enough to drown a fella!

Tears for fears, clearly!

"OH NOES!!! NOT OUR FLAWLESS OMESSIAH!"

Hell, you can almost hear the atheist heathens starting to PRAY!

"OH LORDY, DEAR LORDY, MAKE IT NOT SO!!!!! HELP US OH LORDY!!!!"

HAHAHAH!!!
 
2010-05-01 10:47:35 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: Question: WTH will a SWAT team do on a farking oil well? I realize you are full of stupid so I will let you ask a friend so you can offer a coherent answer.

It's not 100% clear, but SWAT may refer to:
1. SWAT Inc. A Canadian company specializing in oil spills and environmental clean up. (S.W.A.T. = Spill-equipment With Attack Techniques Inc.)

But it's more likely to be...

2. A nickname for a team of researchers from UC Santa Cruz that specialize in surveying ecological damage to coastlines. They work with the Department of Interior Mineral Management Service, which is part of the team responding to the disaster.

img203.imageshack.us
 
2010-05-01 10:52:15 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter. Man, I wish I could find the thread where you adamantly claimed that it was racist to describe racism, because in doing so you may end up using some of the same terms, despite the fact that one is motivated by education and preventing racism, and the other is motivated by racism itself.



I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.


Aha, found it!

Background: Thread regarding complaints that Conservatives were using the n-word on their signage.

Phil: The thought process of a FARK LibrulTM: "I am going to use the n-word to show you what a teabagger neocon might say and how they are the real racists; but I am not a closet racist no. Look I am just pointing out what a racist would say, see?"


Emposter:
Context matters you nitwit.


Phil: FARK LibsTM can use the n-word because they are using it in the proper context.

Pointing out progressive hypocrisy is just way too easy and too much fun. I can't believe you actually tried to go the "context" route.


Amiable: Do we really have to explain the word "context" to you? Really?

Let's do a little thought experiment in context, just as illustration:

Case 1: Chimpanzee escapes from the zoo, finds it's way to your house, you call the cops and say: "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

Case 2: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

One of those two statements is racist the other is not, even though they are the exact same statement. I will leave it as a thought experiment for you to try figure out which one Phil.


Phil: Too funny. You actually did exactly as I described what a FARK LibTM would do. Then you tried to hide behind a context argument.
 
2010-05-01 10:52:44 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter.

I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.


Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:03 AM
Gato Negro: Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

Shatner's Bassoon: And you'd be defending him, so what does that make you for attacking Obama now?

Liberal translation: Gato Negro is correct.


LOLFAIL! You're just as wrong here as you were when you failed in the thread 3 below this one. For the record; I never blamed Bush for Katrina, and I find it a bit of a joke that people are trying to blame Obama for this. There's very little anyone can do to stop an oil well 1 mile below sea level from leaking, and everything that can be done is being done. I've never credited Obama with messiah-like powers, but he'd need them to be able to do anything about this.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:36 AM
Phil: right, im sure there aren't any private contractors that could do this job faster and cheaper. But sure, let's throw away our values when we'll have to pay the piper for the mistakes made.
Great plan.. right on point too with what i've seen from you.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:43 AM
By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?
 
2010-05-01 10:56:57 AM
Gato Negro: So is protecting the border.



Which the Feds have failed at, and so after one of their own was murdered AZ decided action must be done to protect its citizens.


Which Obama spent time criticizing instead of addressing the oil spill.


He is sending S.W.A.T. though.... so he has that going for him
 
2010-05-01 10:57:56 AM
Shatner's Bassoon: For the record; I never blamed Bush for Katrina

I think the very fact that you claim you never blamed Bush for Katrina proves that you blame Bush for Katrina. In short: You have no chance to survive make your time.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:16 AM
Emposter: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

t1.gstatic.com


You guys love that stuff.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:34 AM
Phil Herup: He is sending S.W.A.T. though.... so he has that going for him

That's a different kind of SWAT, you moron.

The SWAT teams being sent are from the Mineral Management Agency, not from some local police force.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:40 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?


Give it up, he's been President for going on TWO years.

Leave the "buh..buh..buhs.." to this guy...
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2010-05-01 11:00:23 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

You guys love that stuff.


As usual, you've got nothing.
 
2010-05-01 11:01:42 AM
Emposter:
As usual, you've got nothing.


He has you responding to him.
 
2010-05-01 11:05:03 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: Emposter:
As usual, you've got nothing.

He has you responding to him.


I'm a sucker for arguing. Can't deny that.
 
2010-05-01 11:05:07 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?


Thanks for pointing that out. It's important to know that Bush was bad and just overlook the piss poor federal response to the current crisis. Normally, I think you can hold different people responsible for the mistakes over which they actually had some role in, but since it's Bush we're talking about, I totally understand.
 
2010-05-01 11:07:41 AM
Nabb1: Thanks for pointing that out. It's important to know that Bush was bad and just overlook the piss poor federal response to the current crisis.

I first wrote this to another Farker, but it seems fitting here:

Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 11:07:41 AM
Emposter: As usual, you've got nothing.



Meh.. I have you simpletons pegged.

I know exactly what makes you tick.
 
2010-05-01 11:08:25 AM
Phil Herup: Meh.. I have you simpletons pegged.

I know exactly what makes you tick.


Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 11:10:34 AM
eraser8: Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.



He should have had the Army down there at the bottom of the Gulf stopping it.


Yeah.. I said ARMY
 
2010-05-01 11:11:14 AM
eraser8: So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.

The Bat Signal?
 
2010-05-01 11:12:42 AM
eraser8: The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management.



They are experts at deciding when you've "made enough money" though apparently.
 
2010-05-01 11:13:19 AM
Phil Herup: He should have had the Army down there at the bottom of the Gulf stopping it.

Um, how would that work?

How could the Army have stopped it?

Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 11:13:23 AM
My problems with Obama on this are not just that he didn't react very quickly, but also the way in which he did react. Now granted, I don't expect there's a whole lot the Fed *can* do in this situation, after all, they're not exactly the experts at cleaning up oil, but considering the size of the Disaster, he should have addressed and or commented on the disaster a lot sooner than eight days later. He was too busy wagging his finger at a State like a dissapointed monarch while campaigning for Cap and Trade. This to me, demonstrates a disconnect in priorities. Then when he *does* react, it's to send a shait ton of lawyers from Justice along with some cabinet members...ummm...WTF?!?! What are Lawyers and your assistant on Climate change going to do to help clean up the mess? This just demonstrates ignorance on the part of Obama.

The other thing to think about is Obama was recently pushing for expanding Gulf Coast Drilling so this is politically embarrassing for him as well; probably took his aids a little time to figure out how to shield him from the fallout and push blame on to others. (You notice the "Hah, take that Drill Baby Drill people" despite the fact that the majority of drilling those people are talking about would be occurring land based in Alaska and not via Oil Rigs on the Gulf but that's all beside the point no?)

It's just another political game and combined with potential affair, things are looking kind of grim for Bam Bam right about now.
 
2010-05-01 11:14:10 AM
Phil Herup: They are experts at deciding when you've "made enough money" though apparently.

Since the top marginal rate is 100%, I guess you're right.

Oh, wait.
 
2010-05-01 11:15:27 AM
eraser8: How could the Army have stopped it?

Be specific.




They could've used one of your mom's size 9 butt plugs
 
2010-05-01 11:15:42 AM
Nabb1: Lenny_da_Hog: By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?

Thanks for pointing that out. It's important to know that Bush was bad and just overlook the piss poor federal response to the current crisis. Normally, I think you can hold different people responsible for the mistakes over which they actually had some role in, but since it's Bush we're talking about, I totally understand.


It was actually Sept. of 2009 that the production plans were filed, so they were filed to the Obama administration. The question is, did Obama make any changes to that sub-administration in Minerals Mgt. or did it continue with whomever was on board?

Whoever approved the world's deepest off-shore well for production without requiring a catastrophic plan was either a crony or an idiot.
 
2010-05-01 11:16:31 AM
CanisNoir: I don't expect there's a whole lot the Fed *can* do in this situation, after all, they're not exactly the experts at cleaning up oil, but considering the size of the Disaster, he should have addressed and or commented on the disaster a lot sooner than eight days later.

So, he couldn't have actually DONE anything to stop the leak...but his talking about it would somehow have made the disaster less disastrous?
 
2010-05-01 11:16:36 AM
eraser8: How could the Army have stopped it?

He's got a point I hadn't thought of. The Army Corp of Engineers would probably be a huge help, though I'm sure they're stretched kind of thin rebuilding infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, providing a shait ton of man-power wouldn't be unwelcome.
 
2010-05-01 11:18:06 AM
Phil Herup: eraser8: How could the Army have stopped it?

Be specific.

They could've used one of your mom's size 9 butt plugs


You're basically conceding the point that there isn't much Obama could've done that he hasn't done.

So, why are you biatching?
 
2010-05-01 11:19:01 AM
eraser8: So, he couldn't have actually DONE anything to stop the leak...but his talking about it would somehow have made the disaster less disastrous?

No, commenting about a National Disaster would be acting Presidential whether or not there's much he could do. I mean not only does it involve a major environmental disaster on our coast, but also effects our oil supply which means National Security - so yea, commenting on it would be most appropriate for someone choosing to act Presidential.

/Then again, I've never accused Obama of knowing how to act Presidential so meh.
 
2010-05-01 11:19:19 AM
CanisNoir: My problems with Obama on this are not just that he didn't react very quickly, but also the way in which he did react. Now granted, I don't expect there's a whole lot the Fed *can* do in this situation, after all, they're not exactly the experts at cleaning up oil, but considering the size of the Disaster, he should have addressed and or commented on the disaster a lot sooner than eight days later. He was too busy wagging his finger at a State like a dissapointed monarch while campaigning for Cap and Trade. This to me, demonstrates a disconnect in priorities. Then when he *does* react, it's to send a shait ton of lawyers from Justice along with some cabinet members...ummm...WTF?!?! What are Lawyers and your assistant on Climate change going to do to help clean up the mess? This just demonstrates ignorance on the part of Obama.



Very well summed up.


He has a team of academics who have never did a damn thing in the private sector (including himself) and who lack the ability to handle real world problems.


www.familysecuritymatters.org
 
2010-05-01 11:21:49 AM
CanisNoir: He's got a point I hadn't thought of. The Army Corp of Engineers would probably be a huge help, though I'm sure they're stretched kind of thin rebuilding infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, providing a shait ton of man-power wouldn't be unwelcome.

This isn't the kind of thing the Corp of Engineers typically does. That's why the government contracts oil infrastructure issues to companies like Halliburton. At best, the Engineers might double check some of Halliburton's math...at worst, they might actually get in the way of getting that well cemented.
 
2010-05-01 11:23:36 AM
Car_Ramrod: What I don't understand is why Obama ignored the warnings in the days leading up to the explosion. People were saying up to 3 days prior to this disaster that "this oil rig is going to explode". I don't know why Obama would be so slow to react to such a predictable event.

You mean in that report "Al Qaeda determined to attack inside the United States" that he received a month prior to 9/11.... oh wait.
 
2010-05-01 11:23:59 AM
CanisNoir: No, commenting about a National Disaster would be acting Presidential whether or not there's much he could do. I mean not only does it involve a major environmental disaster on our coast, but also effects our oil supply which means National Security - so yea, commenting on it would be most appropriate for someone choosing to act Presidential.

Yet it still wouldn't have had any practical effect on the disaster. In other words, you're biatching at him because he wasn't being political enough.

Something tells me that if he HAD said something right away, you'd be accusing him of using a disaster for his own political benefit.
 
2010-05-01 11:24:10 AM
eraser8:
So, why are you biatching?


Oh and one other thing to think of... 11 people died in that explosion and yet nary a mention of that by Mr. President. So here's a question, is that because his response was hurried and not thought out too well which is why he ignored the human cost and just sent his lawyers, or does he just not care that Oil Workers were killed?

/Thoughts and prayers for those families - their loss in all this should not be forgotten.
 
2010-05-01 11:26:04 AM
I think I have a few more "fark independents" to put on my ignore list because they are obviously trolls and/or have lost their collective mind.
 
2010-05-01 11:26:11 AM
eraser8: Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.


You mean 'The one who will turn back the oceans'TM can't really control the sea afterall?

This would have been a great week to lower the seas... or at least the Gulf of Mexico!

i41.tinypic.com


/please Messiah, save us!
 
2010-05-01 11:27:41 AM
eraser8: Yet it still wouldn't have had any practical effect on the disaster. In other words, you're biatching at him because he wasn't being political Presidential enough.


FTFY - there's a difference, slight thought it might be. One demonstrates leadership, a quality I question in Obama, the other demonstrates an ability to campaign, something I know he can do since he has yet to stop.

You know, he spent quite a bit of time when he first one telling Republicans, "I won, get over it." but I'm not sure he was listening to himself, because he's not acting like he won - he's still acting like a candidate. Maybe it's because he's young and inexperienced and we'll see a different Bam Bam if he wins a second term, but so far he's spent his small window of Governing, campaigning. It's kind of embarrassing really.
 
2010-05-01 11:27:45 AM
CanisNoir: Oh and one other thing to think of... 11 people died in that explosion and yet nary a mention of that by Mr. President. So here's a question, is that because his response was hurried and not thought out too well which is why he ignored the human cost and just sent his lawyers, or does he just not care that Oil Workers were killed?

And his Coast Guard rescued scores from that doomed platform before it sank.

I have to ask -- and try to be honest in answering: is there anything Obama could have done for which you would have applauded him?
 
2010-05-01 11:31:03 AM
CanisNoir: FTFY - there's a difference, slight thought it might be. One demonstrates leadership, a quality I question in Obama, the other demonstrates an ability to campaign, something I know he can do since he has yet to stop.

Bullshiat.

When the West Virginia mine disaster happened, the right wing biatched about Obama's talking about the victims and attending a memorial service. There was talk that Obama was just milking the tragedy for his own benefit.

There is no reason in the world to think that if he had spoken out about the explosion in the Gulf the reaction would have been different by one whit.
 
2010-05-01 11:32:01 AM
eraser8: I have to ask -- and try to be honest in answering: is there anything Obama could have done for which you would have applauded him?

Of course there is. He could have held a press conference. Unless you're one of those people who have forgotten the times I've supported Obama when I thought he was right, and assume because I'm complaining now I'm just an ideologue. I'm not.

I disagree with just about every single policy position he's taking, but I'm glad he's kept Gitmo open, I was happy to see him continue strongly in Afghanistan, I applaud the predator strikes inside Pakistan. So yea, there's some things I think he's doing correctly; doesn't change the fact that through out most of it he's acted like a spoiled child ill-accustomed to criticism and a clear misunderstanding of what it means to be "President", and in this case specifically - dropped the ball.
 
2010-05-01 11:34:32 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: As usual, you've got nothing.



Meh.. I have you simpletons pegged.

I know exactly what makes you tick.


You sure do! Damn evuk liberals, treating different factual circumstances differently! How dare they!
 
2010-05-01 11:34:53 AM
Gato Negro: please Messiah, save us!



+25
 
2010-05-01 11:35:30 AM
Emposter: Damn evuk evil liberals

dammit
 
2010-05-01 11:35:41 AM
eraser8: When the West Virginia mine disaster happened, the right wing biatched about Obama's talking about the victims and attending a memorial service. There was talk that Obama was just milking the tragedy for his own benefit.

Here's the operative question: Was I one of those people?

Nope.

So what's your point? That people who aren't me held a contrary view about the Coal Miners?
Oh and there might have been some bad blood regarding the Coal Miners because Obama campaigned on driving coal mines out of business throwing all the miners out of a job. Not exactly the person you want at your funeral. In this case, Obama was *for* expanded drilling so it would be more appropriate in that sense.

Really, context matters.
 
2010-05-01 11:36:28 AM
What could he have done?

Well, thanks to Obama's f-up I guess we'll never know now!
 
2010-05-01 11:37:09 AM
CanisNoir: He could have held a press conference.

A press conference would have done absolutely nothing. In fact, I'm fairly certain that it would have been universally panned on the right (kind of like the way certain right wingers have deliberately confused police SWAT with the MMS SWAT that Obama dispatched).

I wouldn't have helped a single person or comforted a single family or saved a single bird. It would have been a pure waste of time.
 
2010-05-01 11:37:16 AM
Gato Negro: You mean 'The one who will turn back the oceans'TM can't really control the sea afterall?

This would have been a great week to lower the seas... or at least the Gulf of Mexico!


Damn, that made me choke on my Java Monster.
 
2010-05-01 11:37:20 AM
eraser8:
Phil Herup: eraser8: How could the Army have stopped it?

Be specific.

They could've used one of your mom's size 9 butt plugs

You're basically conceding the point that there isn't much Obama could've done that he hasn't done.

So, why are you biatching?


I believe the phrase that handles it best is "the candidate I supported lost."
 
2010-05-01 11:38:40 AM
RockIsDead: What could he have done?

Well, thanks to Obama's f-up I guess we'll never know now!


If you don't know what he could have done, how do you know he f-ed up?
 
2010-05-01 11:39:53 AM
eraser8: If you don't know what he could have done, how do you know he f-ed up?

Well, if he's innocent, then why is he so black?
 
2010-05-01 11:41:05 AM
eraser8: A press conference would have done absolutely nothing. In fact, I'm fairly certain that it would have been universally panned on the right (kind of like the way certain right wingers have deliberately confused police SWAT with the MMS SWAT that Obama dispatched).

Look, nobody is saying he should strip down and go scoop up oil himself; it's called being Presidential - you seem to be missing the point. He couldn't really do a whole hell of a lot about the Iran riots either, but he held a Press Conference and commented on it - kind of late on that one too now that I think about it.

As for the SWAT thing, hey that was his own fault and another reason why I think when he finally decided he simply *had* to say something on the issue, it was quickly hashed together and not thought out too well. Obama, generally, is a better communicator than that. You can't blame people for thinking he means "SWAT" teams that most people are used to seeing instead of a handful of researchers. He just simply failed at Public Speaking 101 - Know your audience.
 
2010-05-01 11:41:30 AM
CanisNoir: So what's your point? That people who aren't me held a contrary view about the Coal Miners?

My point is that in this situation, Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

In this case, maybe Obama decided that instead of making a speech that would do nothing and help no one, he should treat this event as something that deserved his attention more than his rhetoric.
 
2010-05-01 11:41:49 AM
eraser8: The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

Now, lets say the government went in heavy-handed and took control from BP immediately. Once it became apparent that the blowout valve preventer was malfunctioning, the right-wing talking points would have been:

1. The government farked up and broke the valve, causing the leak to grow to 5,000 barrels/day.
2. BP/private industry would have prevented the entire disaster if Obama would have let them.
3. The government caused the disaster and now wants poor little BP to pay for it? OUTRAGE.
4. Obama can't stand private industry and has to control everything. SOCIALISM.
5. It was an inside job and the government needed to rush in and cover it up. Obama wanted to rush in and save the day because the "Messiah's" popularity is plummeting! He farked up because he is incompetent or a supervillain who hates America.
 
2010-05-01 11:42:48 AM
Hetfield: eraser8: If you don't know what he could have done, how do you know he f-ed up?

Well, if he's innocent, then why is he so black?


Obama is black.
Oil is black.
Obama starts with O.
Oil starts with O.

Clearly they are in this together! It's a conspiracy! Wake up sheeple!
 
2010-05-01 11:44:04 AM
Hetfield: Well, if he's innocent, then why is he so black?

He's not black, he's white damnit - he's just been swimming in the Gulf.

eraser8: In this case, maybe Obama decided that instead of making a speech that would do nothing and help no one, he should treat this event as something that deserved his attention more than his rhetoric.

Wait... so this is the one thing to occur so far in his Presidency that *didn't* require his Rhetoric? That's a cop-out really, as he's completely broken from his pattern of combining hyperbolic rhetoric with his attention.
 
2010-05-01 11:44:05 AM
As someone who vacations on Gulf of California, I'm getting a big kick



The Gulf of Mexico is for chumps
 
2010-05-01 11:44:53 AM
whereisian: tenpoundsofcheese: Who is this "we" you speak of?

Well, Fark knew about it a few days in advance.


Wow, thanks for that. Some interesting comments from the thread.

chakalakasp: The superdome has always been consiered a "last resort" shelter -- i.e., a Hail Mary. It was never designed to hold up to a Cat 5 and nobody has ever expected it to. The point is that it's a better bet than anything else in town. Yes, everyone in the superdome is in serious risk of dieing. However, everyone not in the superdome and not at least 40 feet up in a concrete reinforced structure will be much worse off. There is a reason why the Cat 5 contingincy calls for a total evacuation and why the Red Cross refuses to operate out of NOLA during anyhing higher than a Cat 2. It's too dangerous.

Only thing to do now is pray that the storm looses a lot of punch before it comes ashore. Barring that, this will be the greatest American catastrophe since the 1920 flu pandemic.


TearsInTheRain: wow from news article:

The center's latest computer simulations indicate that by Tuesday, vast swaths of New Orleans could be under water up to 30 feet deep. In the French Quarter, the water could reach 20 feet, easily submerging the district's iconic cast-iron balconies and bars.

Estimates predict that 60 percent to 80 percent of the city's houses will be destroyed by wind. With the flood damage, most of the people who live in and around New Orleans could be homeless.

"We're talking about in essence having a refugee camp of a million people," van Heerden said.



I wonder what the odds are tho the hurricane will die down or just bypass NO...


Shinreineko: New Orleans isn't going to be anything but a flooded smudge on the ground once this thing goes through. If anyone is still considering staying around and weathering the storm, I have one thing to say:

get your asses out of there!

and best of luck to us all, I gotta feeling this is going to majorly impact all of us for a very long time, i'm scared to think what its going to do to gas prices.


So random farkers knew what was coming, but we can't blame Bush for any of the response because DUMB DUMB LIBERAL POOPYHEAD FARTBAMA
 
2010-05-01 11:45:32 AM
CanisNoir: Look, nobody is saying he should strip down and go scoop up oil himself

Are you sure nobody's saying that?

CanisNoir: it's called being Presidential - you seem to be missing the point.

I think you're missing the point. In the Iran example, the words of a president might actually make a difference to the people demonstrating or to the government cracking down on them.

Obama's words aren't going to stop a deep water oil leak. A president, who is presidential, saves his words for when there is something important to be said.
 
2010-05-01 11:46:37 AM
CanisNoir: He's not black, he's white damnit - he's just been swimming in the Gulf.

This just in: Obama doesn't know how to swim. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!1!
 
2010-05-01 11:49:29 AM
artbystrongheart.files.wordpress.com

I'll leave this here.
 
2010-05-01 11:50:04 AM
Hetfield: CanisNoir: He's not black, he's white damnit - he's just been swimming in the Gulf.

This just in: Obama doesn't know how to swim. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!1!


This oil spill is part of Obama's plan to take revenge upon the water that constantly betrays him!
 
2010-05-01 12:01:28 PM
eraser8: I think you're missing the point. In the Iran example, the words of a president might actually make a difference to the people demonstrating or to the government cracking down on them.

But in this case his words would never mobilize groups of volunteers, calm rumors, or demonstrate that he's actually aware of a disaster along the coast he's sworn to protect involving the resource that is the foundation of our entire economy?
 
2010-05-01 12:07:50 PM
CanisNoir: But in this case his words would never mobilize groups of volunteers, calm rumors, or demonstrate that he's actually aware of a disaster along the coast he's sworn to protect involving the resource that is the foundation of our entire economy?

Yes, because he's done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THIS POINT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT HE'S AWARE OF THE DISASTER. The President is a complete failure unless he gets a bucket brigade to line up along the shore.
 
2010-05-01 12:11:10 PM
I think we need a moratorium on all offshore drilling coupled with a Gulf of Mexico cleanup tax. The only way people are going to realize how big of a disaster this is will be if if they feel it hit their pocketbooks.
 
2010-05-01 12:15:20 PM
So much for "drill, baby, drill."
 
2010-05-01 12:16:35 PM
lajimi [TotalFark] 2010-04-30 11:10:36 PM
HEY, DAILY MAIL! Exactly what does the "B" in BP stand for?



BUTT PLUG OR BLACK PUSSY
 
2010-05-01 12:18:11 PM
eraser8: CanisNoir: FTFY - there's a difference, slight thought it might be. One demonstrates leadership, a quality I question in Obama, the other demonstrates an ability to campaign, something I know he can do since he has yet to stop.

Bullshiat.

When the West Virginia mine disaster happened, the right wing biatched about Obama's talking about the victims and attending a memorial service. There was talk that Obama was just milking the tragedy for his own benefit.

There is no reason in the world to think that if he had spoken out about the explosion in the Gulf the reaction would have been different by one whit.


Now you're catching on!

Obama not giving a heartfelt speech was wrong.
Had Obama given a speech, he'd have been wrong.
Obama is dithering on this, he's taking too long.
Surprised the socialist didn't rush in guns-a-blazing.
He opposed offshore drilling, what a jerk!
And you see what happens when he supports offshore drilling?

It doesn't matter. If you start out setting to prove that Obama is wrong, and it's all his fault, well, then it doesn't really matter what happened in reality. Reality, even in a catastrophe, is secondary to politics for these crazy people.

Why bother dealing with someone with that broken kind of mind? These people either believe their own shiat, and they're crazy; or they don't, and they're liars. No sense arging with a crazy person, or with a liar.

Cue the LIBS ALWAYS PROTECT OBAMBY MESSIAH justification for their bullshiat in 3... 2... 1...
 
2010-05-01 12:20:07 PM
Shaggy_C: The only way people are going to realize how big of a disaster this is will be if if they feel it hit their pocketbooks.



I am fully aware of how big this is, so I'll opt out. Thanks.


This will be the biggest environmental disaster of all time.


Your knee-jerk reaction and "solution" has been noted. You occasionally say sound things here, this is not one of those times.

Wanting to stop drilling and increase taxes is right out of the Moonbat Playbook.
 
2010-05-01 12:21:41 PM
sendtodave: It doesn't matter. If you start out setting to prove that Obama is wrong, and it's all his fault, well, then it doesn't really matter what happened in reality. Reality, even in a catastrophe, is secondary to politics for these crazy people.



You mean like the left demonized Bush?


Does the hypocrisy even register a click in your head?
 
2010-05-01 12:24:42 PM
Shaggy_C: I think we need a moratorium on all offshore drilling coupled with a Gulf of Mexico cleanup tax. The only way people are going to realize how big of a disaster this is will be if if they feel it hit their pocketbooks.

Why should taxpayers foot the bill for BP's accident?
Companies like that need to face the consequences and pay for the damage they cause. That's the only way they'll be motivated to live up to their responsibilities.
 
2010-05-01 12:26:47 PM
Phil Herup: sendtodave: It doesn't matter. If you start out setting to prove that Obama is wrong, and it's all his fault, well, then it doesn't really matter what happened in reality. Reality, even in a catastrophe, is secondary to politics for these crazy people.



You mean like the left demonized Bush?


Does the hypocrisy even register a click in your head?


So, what, this is payback? That's the excuse?

How's that not putting politics before reality again?
 
2010-05-01 12:27:25 PM
Dansker: Why should taxpayers foot the bill for BP's accident?
Companies like that need to face the consequences and pay for the damage they cause. That's the only way they'll be motivated to live up to their responsibilities.


They were only allowed to drill there in the first place because of the kindness of the United States government. Sure, the company should have to pay some burden. But the people who allowed the situation in the first place are at fault here too.
 
2010-05-01 12:28:16 PM
I rather enjoy hearing people blame other people.. while at the moment it doesn't matter who did what or who didn't do what.. there is something more important right now than playing the blame game.

Stop the leak, fix it, clean up the mess, and do what you can to save the ecological system along the Gulf Coast areas, and then play the blame game.
 
2010-05-01 12:30:05 PM
Phil Herup: sendtodave: It doesn't matter. If you start out setting to prove that Obama is wrong, and it's all his fault, well, then it doesn't really matter what happened in reality. Reality, even in a catastrophe, is secondary to politics for these crazy people.



You mean like the left demonized Bush?


Does the hypocrisy even register a click in your head?


They're too blind to ever see that.

They truly believe that every single bash of bush was 100% true. (Like a con man believing his own con)
They don't even KNOW that they HAVE a bias, thus their frequent chant of "truth has a Liberal bias". You need to be BLINDINGLY BIASED to believe that nugget, yet they do.
 
2010-05-01 12:33:01 PM
The faux outrage is Fox.
 
2010-05-01 12:36:52 PM
I was just reading the comments in the Houston Chronicle and boy, those good ole boys are really riled at the president.
Sounds like the good old days, like Nov. 21, 1963.
 
2010-05-01 12:37:12 PM
let's all at jump to conclusions!!!!
 
2010-05-01 12:37:37 PM
sendtodave: So, what, this is payback? That's the excuse?

The NYT; a well known Republican Rag blames Obama too (new window)
 
2010-05-01 12:37:38 PM
RockIsDead: They're too blind to ever see that.

They truly believe that every single bash of bush was 100% true. (Like a con man believing his own con)
They don't even KNOW that they HAVE a bias, thus their frequent chant of "truth has a Liberal bias". You need to be BLINDINGLY BIASED to believe that nugget, yet they do.


Again, "libs do it, too!" isn't really a convincing argument. If they're crazy for doing it, so are you. If they're liars for doing it, so are you. If they're wrong for doing it, well, so are you.

Even if it's just for the lulz.
 
2010-05-01 12:39:49 PM
Shaggy_C: Dansker: Why should taxpayers foot the bill for BP's accident?
Companies like that need to face the consequences and pay for the damage they cause. That's the only way they'll be motivated to live up to their responsibilities.

They were only allowed to drill there in the first place because of the kindness of the United States government. Sure, the company should have to pay some burden. But the people who allowed the situation in the first place are at fault here too.


A valid point. I guess part of the question is whether the permission to drill was based on any kind of risk assessment and followed by adequate safety requirements and contingency plans, and whether BP followed them.
 
2010-05-01 12:41:11 PM
CanisNoir: sendtodave: So, what, this is payback? That's the excuse?

The NYT; a well known Republican Rag blames Obama too (new window)


The media also plays "gotcha!" with politicians?

Shocking.

And here I thought they were in the bag for Obama.

So, anyway, anyone here know how to fix this whole "destroyed gulf coast" issue?
 
2010-05-01 12:43:58 PM
Why should the federal government bail out BP on this? Make them clean it up. No more bailouts! No more socialism!
 
2010-05-01 12:46:13 PM
Gato Negro: /please Messiah, save us!

Every time I see crap like this, I just want to smack someone, which is wholly hypocritical and counter to my religious beliefs.

Well trolled, but please, knock it off. We had a messiah. No one on the left thinks that a president is a messiah. Caesar's face may be on the coin, and he may rule the government, but that is the extent of his realm. God's realm is something different, grander, and altogether beyond our comprehension.

Trust me, liberal Christians understand this, and it is not us that you are mocking by joking about a messiah.

/off soapbox
 
2010-05-01 12:46:32 PM
ilikeflowers: Why should the federal government bail out BP on this? Make them clean it up. No more bailouts! No more socialism!

I lol'd
 
2010-05-01 12:49:33 PM
Trying to equate this to Katrina is beyond pathetic. This oil spill will not cause casualties to civilians and as someone stated earlier, there was prior warning before Katrina to get things rolling. Instead, just like the report Bush received; "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US," the Administration sat on their ass. Anyone who believes this crap is both politically and intellectually bankrupt.
 
2010-05-01 12:54:07 PM
Oh boy, the Tard Patrol is on the case here beteween Phil and Gato.

Look, here comes Gato...

img.youtube.com

and Phil and his Dental Technician,

content.ytmnd.com
 
2010-05-01 12:56:51 PM
Since this entire idea is fantasy, let us indulge it.

What would you like Obama to have done?
 
2010-05-01 12:57:54 PM
sendtodave: The media also plays "gotcha!" with politicians?

No, the point is, it's not just the "Right" who's saying this, which is why it's stupid to try and paint it as a partisan issue.
Even Bill Maher is peeved at Obama over this.

MAHER: The Teabag, well, you know they always say they feel like neither Party represents them. That's how I feel this week. So Teabaggers, you're not alone. And the reason why is because yes, I'm mad at the oil company who didn't obviously build their rig well enough. I'm mad at America in general because we should have gotten off the oil tit starting in the '70s. I'm mad at the people who go, "Drill, baby, drill." And by the way, they should turn up on the Gulf Coast and start cleaning up the birds with their "Drill, baby, drill" t-shirts. But I'll tell you who I'm really mad at which is Barack Obama. Couple of weeks ago, the President, our President said, "It turns out the oil rigs today generally don't cause oil spills. They are technologically very advanced." Now if, if I was quoting George Bush, this crowd would be laughing in hysterics.

LAURA TYSON, ECONOMIST AND FORMER CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes they would.

MAHER: So, why isn't Barack Obama getting more shiat for this? I think he should.

Link (new window)


Name_Omitted: Every time I see crap like this, I just want to smack someone, which is wholly hypocritical and counter to my religious beliefs.
Well trolled, but please, knock it off. We had a messiah. No one on the left thinks that a president is a messiah. Caesar's face may be on the coin, and he may rule the government, but that is the extent of his realm. God's realm is something different, grander, and altogether beyond our comprehension.
Trust me, liberal Christians understand this, and it is not us that you are mocking by joking about a messiah.


Lighten up Francis; you're doing your religion a disservice by neglecting to have a sense of humor. Of course Obama's not a Messiah and nobody *honestly* thinks people look at him as divine. It's a form of mocking the laughably high-soaring rhetoric he used during the campaign and how his supporters reacted to it.

Getting mad at GatoNegro on the religious level places you directly along side those who threatened Trey and Matt for depicting Mohamed.

The surest sign that you are firm and confident with your beliefs is your ability to laugh at them.

blog.osministry.com
 
2010-05-01 01:01:40 PM
thamike: Since this entire idea is fantasy, let us indulge it.

What would you like Obama to have done?


EVERYTHING POSSIBLE the first DAY!
 
2010-05-01 01:02:43 PM
RockIsDead: EVERYTHING POSSIBLE the first DAY!

That's my boy.
 
2010-05-01 01:07:33 PM
JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: snakespm: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm:
...most of whom are republican...

Does it really matter if they are republicans or democrats?

Apparently it does to this President.


Hey I thought "This President" was Bush's title.
 
2010-05-01 01:08:28 PM
ilambiquated: Hey I thought "This President" was Bush's title.

Only during the night shift at Chippendale's.
 
2010-05-01 01:09:59 PM
thamike: Since this entire idea is fantasy, let us indulge it.

What would you like Obama to have done?


April 20: Overnight oil rig explosion

April 21: Deputy Secretary of Interior, Coast Guard dispatched to region. Search and rescue efforts begin for 11 missing

BP confirms U.S. Coast Guard was "leading the emergency response" In an April 21 press release, British Petroleum stated that it was "working closely with Transocean and the U.S. Coast Guard, which is leading the emergency response, and had been offering its help - including logistical support

April 23: Coast Guard "focused on mitigating the impact of the product currently in the water."

April 25: Response team implements plan to contain oil spilling from source, weather delays cleanup. Storms delay response efforts

April 26: Response crews "to resume skimming operations.

April 28: Federal officials realize spill was far more severe than BP led them to believe.

April 29: Napolitano declares spill "of national significance"; BP insists its "plan can handle this spill." AP: "Air Force sends planes to help with Gulf oil spill." WSJ: Navy joins Obama's "robust response.
 
2010-05-01 01:11:52 PM
Phil Herup: As someone who vacations on Gulf of California, I'm getting a big kick



The Gulf of Mexico is for chumpsfark You and your kicks you inhuman piece of trash! This is a farking disaster for the whole earth.
 
2010-05-01 01:20:26 PM
I'm beginning to think that politicizing natural disasters and industrial accidents is a bad idea.
 
2010-05-01 01:22:38 PM
Name_Omitted: No one on the left thinks that a president is a messiah.


B. Hussein Obama thinks of himself as The MessiahTM... and so all liberals, especially in the media.



"We are the one we've waiting for, the one who will turn back the oceans."

i40.tinypic.com



/how about this little gem from the state-media publication, Time magazine: "Some princes are born in palaces. Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope."
 
2010-05-01 01:30:38 PM
"Lord told him, an ordinary black boy, 'You can be a state senator and you can bring folk to the bargaining table who not only do not talk to one another, these folk don't like one another.'

"He did what the Lord said," Mr. Wright continued, "an ordinary black boy like Mary was an ordinary little girl."


~ Reverend Jeremiah Wright
 
2010-05-01 01:32:26 PM
erveek: What two species Republicans suddenly care about might look like.


You forgot to include to post a pic of a stone crab.

/Mmmmmmm....stone crab.
 
2010-05-01 01:34:10 PM
Gato Negro: B. Hussein Obama thinks of himself as The MessiahTM... and so all liberals, especially in the media.

Of course this is just a troll post. There is nothing to back this up.
 
2010-05-01 01:36:36 PM
"President Obama doesn't care about the Gulf of Mexico"
Maybe so but I bet he cares about his cheating scandal with vera baker going public.
 
2010-05-01 01:43:17 PM
downtownant: Maybe so but I bet he cares about his cheating scandal with vera baker going public.

Oh I'm sure there's a flurry of threatening phone calls and emails hitting editor desks on a daily basis; hell even the Righty blogs haven't picked up with the story yet. I don't think we'll see this one go truly public for a while...

/Could be wrong though.
//I kind of like Obama's version of "Drill Baby Drill" though.
 
2010-05-01 01:49:57 PM
Gato Negro: B. Hussein Obama thinks of himself as The MessiahTM... and so do all liberals, especially in the media.

rnld: Of course this is just a troll post. There is nothing to back this up.


Conveniently... there is. And it's all in one place. (new window)
 
2010-05-01 01:53:29 PM
Gato Negro: Gato Negro: B. Hussein Obama thinks of himself as The MessiahTM... and so do all liberals, especially in the media.

rnld: Of course this is just a troll post. There is nothing to back this up.


Conveniently... there is. And it's all in one place. (new window)


A blog that quotes World News Daily?
 
2010-05-01 01:56:40 PM
rnld: this is just a troll post

LOL


Everyone that does not think lock-step with the Obammunists and FARK LibsTM are trolls.
 
2010-05-01 01:59:30 PM
Phil Herup: rnld: this is just a troll post

LOL


Everyone that does not think lock-step with the Obammunists and FARK LibsTM are trolls.


Another troll post.
 
2010-05-01 02:01:58 PM
rnld: Phil Herup: rnld: this is just a troll post

LOL


Everyone that does not think lock-step with the Obammunists and FARK LibsTM are trolls.

Another troll post.


That's why most people ignore him. It took seven or eight posts for him to get his first bite today.
 
F42
2010-05-01 02:02:05 PM
Phil Herup: The comparisons are already starting and they are accurate predictable and empty.

Shouldn't you still be complaining about Obama not wearing his jacket in his own office?
 
2010-05-01 02:03:58 PM
So much verbal puke in this thread.

We down here near the Louisiana coast are watching disaster happen again. This was not caused by the executive branch of the government. We don't think that it was. We want to see all of the help possible to resist the disaster but we know that you can't make a decree in Washington and stop floating oil.

Those of us who understand this offshore oil industry know that this is an anomaly. Blowouts like this one just don't happen that often and the last time I remember a significant amount of oil washing ashore was maybe 20 or more years ago. Our oil industry down here, including the local independents, are very professional and they operate successfully all over the world. There was a colossal screw up on this otherwise outstanding drilling vessel.

I receive daily updates at my office. This situation will not improve for several weeks, if then. Some of my friends are in the process of getting hazmat certified so they can help fight the oil.

If there is anyone out there who is looking for something good to do this summer, come on down, get trained to clean up oil, and join the effort.
 
2010-05-01 02:04:16 PM
Just for a little information for those who have not lost their minds, apparently, the reason this is so hard to cap this well is because you need a certain type of submarine to go down to the source of the oil leak. This submarine is capable of actual under the water manipulation of objects. A submarine of this type is not owned by the Army, Army Corp of Engineers, Coast Guard, FEMA, and, surprisingly, not even our Navy. So, the one tool that might be helpful at this time is not owned by any agency under Obama's command. But submarines of this type are owned by the oil companies. These oil company owned subs are in the area and are being used to try to cap the well. Whether even they can accomplish this is still an open question.
 
F42
2010-05-01 02:06:41 PM
CanisNoir: GatoNegro

Aren't you the same troll?
 
2010-05-01 02:06:53 PM
Whoops, it just keeps on coming...


"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

~ Obama's #1 racist/muslim supporter, Louise Farrakhan
 
2010-05-01 02:07:22 PM
CanisNoir: MAHER: So, why isn't Barack Obama getting more shiat for this? I think he should.
Link (new window)


From the trailing context, it's pretty clear that Bill's talking about Obama's "move to the center" on that issue, not his response to the spill.
 
2010-05-01 02:08:10 PM
CanisNoir: sendtodave: So, what, this is payback? That's the excuse?

The NYT; a well known Republican Rag blames Obama too (new window)


And that article leaves open the same question as the original: What was Obama supposed to do? Does some federal agency capable of capping the leak faster and more efficiently than BP? Would assembling a war room in Louisiana the day of the accident have resulted in faster capping of the leak? What exactly could Obama have done to more quickly cap a massive leak a mile below the surface? All of the criticism I'm hearing is, "Obama should have acted faster." To do what? At least with Bush, people can point to actually steps FEMA could have taken to improve their response to the disaster. I'm not hearing any of that with this issue.

This is all on BP. They know it, the Administration knows it, and I think you know it too.
 
kab
2010-05-01 02:08:46 PM
RockIsDead: Wow!

The Lefty DERP tears in here are enough to drown a fella!

Tears for fears, clearly!

"OH NOES!!! NOT OUR FLAWLESS OMESSIAH!"

Hell, you can almost hear the atheist heathens starting to PRAY!

"OH LORDY, DEAR LORDY, MAKE IT NOT SO!!!!! HELP US OH LORDY!!!!"

HAHAHAH!!!


Congratulations, you're the dumbest fark on this site.

And that's saying a lot, given some of your competition.
 
2010-05-01 02:09:30 PM
T-Boy: So much verbal puke in this thread.

We down here near the Louisiana coast are watching disaster happen again. This was not caused by the executive branch of the government. We don't think that it was. We want to see all of the help possible to resist the disaster but we know that you can't make a decree in Washington and stop floating oil.

Those of us who understand this offshore oil industry know that this is an anomaly. Blowouts like this one just don't happen that often and the last time I remember a significant amount of oil washing ashore was maybe 20 or more years ago. Our oil industry down here, including the local independents, are very professional and they operate successfully all over the world. There was a colossal screw up on this otherwise outstanding drilling vessel.

I receive daily updates at my office. This situation will not improve for several weeks, if then. Some of my friends are in the process of getting hazmat certified so they can help fight the oil.

If there is anyone out there who is looking for something good to do this summer, come on down, get trained to clean up oil, and join the effort.


They won't pay Americans to do it, because they'll ask for a reasonable wage. They'll only hire undocumented workers willing to work for $3.25/hour.
 
kab
2010-05-01 02:12:55 PM
I'm of the mind, with a few others in here, that although this is not the "fault" of the federal gov't, the fact that this issue is now impacting the area makes it their responsibility to quite heavily assist in the cleanup.

So what should be done right now that isn't? Answers like "it shouldn't have happened in the first place" and "stop future drilling in the area" aren't acceptable, this question focuses on the immediate problem.

go.
 
2010-05-01 02:13:13 PM
Mentat: At least with Bush, people can point to actually steps FEMA could have taken to improve their response to the disaster.

When the feds arrived in New Orleans a few days after Katrina they blockaded the city and actually turned the local rescue boats away. We had a local flotilla of rescue fishing boats all over that city and the FEMA bastards "closed the city" on the fake assertion that there were "too many gunshots." Closing the city killed people. That was inexcusable.
 
2010-05-01 02:14:24 PM
captain_heroic44: They won't pay Americans to do it, because they'll ask for a reasonable wage. They'll only hire undocumented workers willing to work for $3.25/hour.

Actually this is volunteer work.
 
kab
2010-05-01 02:16:26 PM
Gato Negro: Whoops, it just keeps on coming...


a) that quote is from 2008

b) it has absolutely zero to do with the issue at hand

c) please throw yourself down a flight of stairs for being a moron.
 
2010-05-01 02:16:28 PM
T-Boy: captain_heroic44: They won't pay Americans to do it, because they'll ask for a reasonable wage. They'll only hire undocumented workers willing to work for $3.25/hour.

Actually this is volunteer work.


Better yet.
 
2010-05-01 02:17:07 PM
rnld: thamike: Since this entire idea is fantasy, let us indulge it.

What would you like Obama to have done?

April 20: Overnight oil rig explosion

April 21: Deputy Secretary of Interior, Coast Guard dispatched to region. Search and rescue efforts begin for 11 missing

BP confirms U.S. Coast Guard was "leading the emergency response" In an April 21 press release, British Petroleum stated that it was "working closely with Transocean and the U.S. Coast Guard, which is leading the emergency response, and had been offering its help - including logistical support

April 23: Coast Guard "focused on mitigating the impact of the product currently in the water."

April 25: Response team implements plan to contain oil spilling from source, weather delays cleanup. Storms delay response efforts

April 26: Response crews "to resume skimming operations.

April 28: Federal officials realize spill was far more severe than BP led them to believe.

April 29: Napolitano declares spill "of national significance"; BP insists its "plan can handle this spill." AP: "Air Force sends planes to help with Gulf oil spill." WSJ: Navy joins Obama's "robust response.


See? NOTHING. This is...This is..This JUS'Like whut our f*ckhead done do!


Dat make'st oh-bee-kay.
 
2010-05-01 02:19:04 PM
kab: c) please throw yourself down a flight of stairs for being a moron.

One of the few instances in which cause and effect tend to coexist.
 
2010-05-01 02:20:10 PM
Phil Herup: 1. Obama's lack of action on this for days and days

I was talking in general. Funny though because I seem to recall the Coast Guard dealing with the fire and spill from the beginning. With FEMA and the Air Force joining operations shortly after. I'm not positive but I believe these agencies work for the President but I am just a simple Canadian and government operations confuse me.

www.adequatulence.com

Should Obama have dispatched the emergency oil skimmer Navy?
 
2010-05-01 02:20:41 PM
Cup_O_Jo: krelborne: In an apparent effort to make this "Obama's Katrina", both Hannity and Rush are lobbing accusations that this administration has done nothing about this for over a week, despite the fact that the Coast Guard was on it from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes the accepted narrative on the right.

Um your a jackass---he sent the NAVY 2 days ago. The Coast Guard can not contain an oil spill. So nice try but try again.. Because he did fail. Sending the Navy a week later to asses the situation is a jackass move--he took to long--he dropped the ball...NO REALLY-he farked UP!


The Coast Guard has the means to deal with oil spills, as does BP. The problem is that the leak was underestimated initially, which, of course, will lead to a later, heavier response. But yeah, my a jackass, jackass.
 
2010-05-01 02:21:55 PM
mrshowrules: I was talking in general. Funny though because I seem to recall the Coast Guard dealing with the fire and spill from the beginning. With FEMA and the Air Force joining operations shortly after. I'm not positive but I believe these agencies work for the President but I am just a simple Canadian and government operations confuse me.

You're just yapping at a sadistic nihilistic liberal.
 
2010-05-01 02:23:41 PM
krelborne: But yeah, my a jackass, jackass.

Maya Jackass?
 
2010-05-01 02:29:50 PM
kab: I'm of the mind, with a few others in here, that although this is not the "fault" of the federal gov't, the fact that this issue is now impacting the area makes it their responsibility to quite heavily assist in the cleanup.

So what should be done right now that isn't? Answers like "it shouldn't have happened in the first place" and "stop future drilling in the area" aren't acceptable, this question focuses on the immediate problem.

go.


Agreed, but in what way? Should Obama be sending every boat in the Navy and Coast Guard (or at least those at reasonable travel distance) to the area with booms and such? Will this help, given that they probably know dick about the process of stopping oil slicks? Should he send members of the government to the shore with buckets, scrub-brushes and towels?

Again, these are interesting ideas, but there are actual honest to god experts on oil spill clean-up, who use actual tools engineered to make the process quicker and easier, such as special chemicals used to cause the oil to clump up, who are no doubt on there way if not there already to assist in the clean-up. Sometimes one has to stop at ask if the actions they are thinking of taking will help or hinder efforts to solve the problem.

It's all a moot point anyway. If there are actions to mitigate this disaster that Obama failed to take, we will discover them in time, just as we know the flaws in Bush's Katrina response. And, I, as a loyal Democrat will, with this post, do something no Republican ever did during Bush years: call for a full, open and independent investigation of every action undertaking by BP and the government in response to this accident in order to discover every flaw in response so a similar disaster can be avoided in the future, even if it makes Obama look like the second coming of Bush the Lesser.
 
2010-05-01 02:31:33 PM
CanisNoir: It's a form of mocking the laughably high-soaring rhetoric he used during the campaign and how his supporters reacted to it.

Getting mad at GatoNegro on the religious level places you directly along side those who threatened Trey and Matt for depicting Mohamed.
[blog.osministry.com image 400x400]


Asking someone to "please, knock it off" puts me directly along side those who make direct threats in an attempt to censor? High-soaring rhetoric, indeed!
 
2010-05-01 02:40:21 PM
F42: CanisNoir - Gato Negro. Aren't you the same troll?


i42.tinypic.com
 
2010-05-01 02:42:46 PM
Name_Omitted: High-soaring rhetoric, indeed!

Ever been in a crowd and used the term like "hypothetical," only to be met with an errant reply of "ooh big word?" This is about the time where you have to balance the pros and cons of riot gas, and just leaving.
 
2010-05-01 02:46:34 PM
F42: Shouldn't you still be complaining about Obama not wearing his jacket in his own office?



His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.

BTW... with all due respect, it is not "his" office. It is the People's Office.
 
2010-05-01 02:49:40 PM
Phil Herup: His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.

People just make stuff up.
 
2010-05-01 02:53:25 PM
BladBoy: Props to the trolls that kept pushing this BS. This is all Obama's fault. Drill Baby, Drill. And go fark yourself.

Isn't it obvious that Obama let this disaster unfold just to save face on his decision to suspend offshore drilling?

/Didn't read the thread
 
2010-05-01 02:54:39 PM
rnld: People just make stuff up.



Right.. they're sociopathic trolls too, who also lie.
 
2010-05-01 03:01:17 PM
rnld: Phil Herup: His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.

People just make stuff up.


I don't know if you've noticed this, but he's a black man.
In the WHITE house.

This country is ruined.
 
2010-05-01 03:04:08 PM
Phil Herup:
Everyone that does not think lock-step with the Obammunists and FARK LibsTM are trolls.

Someone who posts profusely, rarely presents an actual argument or an opinion beyond variations of "my oppononts are stupid", and never forgets to include insults and gross generalizations, could either be a troll or just someone with little to contribute other than a horrible personality. Or a Farker. But I'm repeating myself.
 
2010-05-01 03:05:05 PM
TheJoeY: I don't know if you've noticed this, but he's a black man.
In the WHITE house.

This country is ruined.


whwweb.com

The prophecy has just been fulfilled is all.
 
2010-05-01 03:17:47 PM
BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?
 
2010-05-01 03:21:58 PM
Phil Herup: Right.. they're sociopathic trolls too, who also lie.

OK sure. How's that cohesivene criticism working out for you, beefsteak?
 
2010-05-01 03:22:05 PM
RockIsDead: BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?


Weak
 
2010-05-01 03:23:19 PM
RockIsDead: BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?


BP stands for Barack Potatoe! See? See!?

Yeppers.
 
2010-05-01 03:23:22 PM
Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.


OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!
 
2010-05-01 03:25:55 PM
I'll just leave this here.

Link

Click on the "Fleet" tab to see the Deepwater Horizon in better days.
 
2010-05-01 03:33:49 PM
RockIsDead: /on who's watch?

c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com

THIS watch.
 
2010-05-01 03:34:47 PM
RockIsDead: Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.

OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!


EVERYBODY'S MISSING THE POINT! THE POINT IS...
 
2010-05-01 04:28:17 PM
RockIsDead:

/on who's watch?


Totally Obama's fault the rig blew up.

The Coast Guard was out on Day 1. What more do you want? We don't have a fleet of ships on standby to fix oil spills. If you aware of such a fleet that has been deployed due to Obama's incompetence or due to the incompentence of someone he put into place, I would like to see it.

/a lot of trolls in this thread
 
2010-05-01 04:32:55 PM
Have the Republicans said that this oil spill would have been prevented if only we would have given tax cuts to the oil companies? Because tax cuts solve every problem according to the GOP.

/can we give tax cuts to the wildlife being affected by the oil spill?
 
2010-05-01 04:58:26 PM
Mentat: So what exactly was Bush supposed to do, dive down and fix the entire city of New Orleans himself? This came out of no where(at least according to the Mayor of NO), everyone is doing everything they can to contain this, and BP has accepted full responsibility.

Yeah, this came out of nowhere, for ten days. But he has top men on it. Well, not the top man.

But I agreed with your sentiment when you felt this way post Katrina.
 
2010-05-01 05:07:16 PM
s2s2s2: Mentat: So what exactly was Bush supposed to do, dive down and fix the entire

Yeah, this came out of nowhere, for ten days. But he has top men on it. Well, not the top man.

But I agreed with your sentiment when you felt this way post Katrina.


I used to play with Tinker-Toys.
 
2010-05-01 05:08:36 PM
thamike: I used to play with Tinker-Toys.

I know, and you forgot to wipe.
 
2010-05-01 05:13:58 PM
s2s2s2: thamike: I used to play with Tinker-Toys.

I know, and you forgot to wipe.


The Decepticons did that for me.
 
2010-05-01 05:36:42 PM
thamike: THIS watch.

I sent that to bunch friends yesterday. Did you see that on Gizmodo?
 
2010-05-01 05:41:59 PM
RockIsDead: Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.

OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!


You're just not trying any more aren't you? Ah, who am I kidding, you never did try in the first place.
 
2010-05-01 05:43:48 PM
Hetfield: I think the very fact that you claim you never blamed Bush for Katrina proves that you blame Bush for Katrina. In short: You have no chance to survive make your time.

I don't know how to respond to this because I don't know what it's supposed to mean.
 
2010-05-01 05:46:04 PM
This is utter crap, there is no way this is Obama's fault.
We should be treating Obama with all the respect and dignity that Bush was treated with.
 
2010-05-01 05:48:44 PM
Descartes: We should be treating Obama with all the respect and dignity that Bush was treated with.



I have no problem with that.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2010-05-01 05:49:07 PM
Name_Omitted: Every time I see crap like this, I just want to smack someone, which is wholly hypocritical and counter to my religious beliefs.

Well trolled, but please, knock it off. We had a messiah. No one on the left thinks that a president is a messiah. Caesar's face may be on the coin, and he may rule the government, but that is the extent of his realm. God's realm is something different, grander, and altogether beyond our comprehension.

Trust me, liberal Christians understand this, and it is not us that you are mocking by joking about a messiah.

/off soapbox


Why do you think Canis Noir said it? Because he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.
 
2010-05-01 05:52:51 PM
I'm whiteTM
I like to go to the beach.
Obama is destroying mah beaches.
Therefore,
OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE.
 
2010-05-01 05:53:06 PM
NeverDrunk23: he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.



Is this all you do on FARK? Dream up conspiracies of alts and mods?
 
2010-05-01 06:01:53 PM
In the Matter of the Complaint Against:

LEASURE TIME PRODUCTS;
P.O. Box 2206 at
Columbus, OH 43216

P.S. Docket No. 5/177

07/28/77

Sobernheim, Rudolf; Administrative Law Judge

APPEARANCES:
H. Richard Hefner, Esq.
Consumer Protection Office;
Law Department; U.S. Postal Service;
Washington, D.C. 20260 for Complainant

Howard A. Spies, Esq.
40 West Gay Street;
Columbus, Ohio 43215 for Respondent

INITIAL DECISION
This is a proceeding by complainant against respondent under 39 USC 3005 which authorizes action against respondent on evidence satisfactory to the Postal Service that respondent is "engaged in conducting a scheme or device for obtaining money or property through the mails by means of false representations." Complainant alleges that respondent is engaged in such a scheme in the sale of a VACUUM ENLARGER. Specifically complainant in paragraphs II and III of the complaint alleges that respondent through the use of advertisements (Compl. Ex. A and B) makes representations, directly or indirectly, in substance and effect, whether by affirmative statements, omission or implication, as follows:

"(a) The VACUUM ENLARGER is an effective means for a male to increase the dimensions of his penis.

(b) Use of the VACUUM ENLARGER will assure a male of achieving an immediate erection.

(c) Use of the VACUUM ENLARGER will '...cause the penis to be more sensitive to touch, and increase your staying power and desire.'"

Complainant further alleges in paragraph IV of the complaint that these representations are false and materially so.

Respondent in its answer admits the use of the advertisements (Compl. Ex. A and B) in order to induce readers thereof to remit money through the mails to respondent but denies the falsity of any representation made by it or the illegality of any of its actions. It admits that it makes the representation set forth in paragraph III(a) of the complaint but denies making the representations set forth in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint.

A hearing was held on 20 June 1977 at which respondent presented testimony regarding a test purchase of respondent's product made by a postal inspector and expert medical testimony regarding the claimed falsity of respondent's representations. Respondent called no witnesses of its own but its counsel cross-examined complainant's witnesses. Both parties submitted proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law after the hearing.

FINDINGS OF FACT
1. Respondent is engaged in the sale of a penis VACUUM ENLARGER through the mails, attracting purchasers by means of the advertisements, copies of which are attached to the complaint as exhibits A and B, and receiving money from purchasers through the mails (Answer, pars. I, II; T 5 etseq.).

2. Respondent has admitted in its answer that it represents that its product is an effective means to increase the dimensions of the penis and its advertisements bear out the propriety of the admission.

3. a. The two representations as to obtaining an immediate erection and increased sensitivity to touch and staying power (Complaint, par. III(b) and (c)) are not found in the December 1976 advertisement of respondent (Compl. Ex. A).

b. The second advertisement in the Hustler of June 1977 (Compl. Ex. B) states that the Vacuum Enlarger will "help" the user "obtain an immediate erection, cause the penis to be more sensitive to touch, and increase his staying power and desire." The representations alleged by complainant in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint to have been made by respondent are closely patterned after the text of the June 1977 advertisement.

c. The advertisement, read literally, states that respondent's product will "help" the user attain the quoted results rather than, as complainant alleges, "cause" or "assure" them. But to the mind of ordinary readers, seeking the end results of which the advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) speaks, the advertisement and its illustration, read as a whole, hold out the plain expectation that the desired results will follow from acquisition and be caused or assured by the use of respondent's product.

d. Although the second advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) appeared in the June issue of the Hustler that issue must have been received early enough by Complainant's Special Investigations Division (see T 4, 24) so that complainant could attach a copy thereof to its complaint, filed with the Docket Clerk of the Office of the Administrative Law Judges of the U. S. Postal Service on 12 May 1977.

e. I find that complainant's exhibit B is properly to be considered in this proceeding (see T 72-73) and that respondent makes therein the representations which are set forth in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint.

4. In response to the test purchase of respondent's product the postal inspector received a package (T 16-17) the contents of which were listed on the enclosed package slip (Compl. Ex. D-3) as one "penis enlarger transvers vac."

a. The penis enlarger consists of a plastic-covered (T 21) circular rubber or plastic object with a hole in the middle (T 21) and a pump (T 22).

b. A white label was affixed to the pump which bore the following text (T 36):

"(Arrow pointing to vent hole along side of pump) To operate plunger, hold finger over hole for pump to suck. To stop suction, remove finger from hole. Warning]]]this pump is sold as a novelty only and is not intended for use. It has not been clinically tested nor is it approved."

c. The package included an instruction sheet (Compl. Ex. D-7) for use of the penis enlarger (T 22).

5. In brief, the "Directions for use of vacuum/penis pumps" instruct the user to attach the "doughnut" (i.e., the above-mentioned rubber or plastic object), lubricated with a greaseless cream, to the base of the pump and to insert the penis into the pump through the hole in the "doughnut", preferably, though not necessarily, when the penis is erect. Then the user must cover the vacuum-release port which is a hole in the pump wall and begin pumping to evacuate air from the pump until the desired level of vacuum is reached. The user is warned, however, that too high a level of vacuum may cause a rupture of veins within the penis or otherwise damage it (Compl. Ex. D-7).

6. There is no direct evidence that the vacuum enlarger furnished by respondent to the postal inspector as part of the test purchase made by the latter in response to the advertisement of December 1976 (Compl. Ex. A) is exactly the same item as that which respondent would have furnished in response to a purchase pursuant to the advertisement of June 1977 (Compl. Ex. B). The instructions furnished by respondent to the postal inspector (Compl. Ex. D-7) state, however:

"Regardless of the manufacturer, all vacuum pumps designed to be used with the penis (for whatever purpose) share several features. All have a vacuum pump, designed to evacuate the air from the main tube. These pumps vary greatly in efficiency...

"Every vacuum pump has a release port...

"Use of Vacuum Pump

Regardless of the particular model of vacuum pump utilized the principle is the same...."

7. On the basis of the foregoing statements of respondent I find that the identity of the vacuum pump which respondent would have furnished to a purchaser pursuant to the June 1977 advertisement is immaterial since all penis vacuum pump enlargers work according to the same principles and to the same effect.

8. I further find that the medical expert witness who testified for complainant predicated his testimony not on the quality of a particular vacuum enlarger but on the ineffectiveness of the principle of operation to obtain the advertised result.

9. Hence, charges based on the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) are properly part of this proceeding.

10. Complainant called as its expert medical witness a well qualified physician employed as a medical officer by the federal Food and Drug Administration and assigned since 1971 as liaison officer with the Postal Service (T 27-34).

11. The witness gave a description of respondent's product and of its mode of operation (T 35-37) which is in general accord with the operating instructions (Compl. Ex. D-7), summarized in Finding of Fact No. 5.

12. Complainant's medical expert testified that penis size is generally determined by a man's genes and may also be influenced by his hormonal make-up (T 38-39).

13. When the penis is inserted into the vacuum pump and the pump is operated, blood flows into the penis which thereupon becomes engorged (T 40-41). But such engorgement is not a normal erection (T 42, 50).

14. A normal erection is caused by neural pressure at the base of the penis which tightens the muscles at the base of the penis and slows the return of blood from the penis through the venal system (T 41).

15. The vacuum pump is not effective as a method of "enlarging" the penis either in preparation for sexual intercourse quickly to follow its use or over a longer term. For the engorgement of the penis with an inflow of blood dissolves when the pump is removed and the effect does not last long enough to perform any sexual act (T 43-44). Even though engorged, however, the penis may remain flabby and not become erect (T 53).

16. On the other hand, if the pump is used when an erection has already been attained (see Compl. Ex. D-7, par. 3) then there is no engorgement or further increase in the size of the penis (T 44).

17. Use of the pump creates no physiological basis for greater staying power (T 46, 60) nor does it make the penis more sensitive to touch unless the penis has been injured and becomes sore (T 45).

18. Whether the use of the pump produces greater sexual desires depends on the sexual fantasies and psychology of the user (T 46, 61).

19. Respondent's medical expert witness testified that his views represented the consensus of medical opinion and nothing in the record leads me to doubt his statement.

20. Based on the foregoing detailed findings of fact and on the record as a whole I find:

a. The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(a) of the complaint and admittedly made by it is false. For the evidence establishes that such enlargement of the penis as the use of the vacuum tube produces is too fleeting to produce any practical effect for purposes of sexual intercourse. That it will do so, however, is the impression which respondent creates in its advertisements both directly and by implication and that is precisely the result which is not attained.

b. The correctness of this finding is confirmed by the fact that the pump is labelled as a novelty item not intended for use. The concealment of this fact in respondent's advertisements demonstrates their falsity in claiming practical usability or effectiveness for the pump as a "penis enlarger."

c. The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(b) of the complaint and made by it in the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) is false, for the use of the pump does not produce an erection.

d. (1) The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(c) of the complaint and made by it in the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) is false since use of the pump produces neither increased sensitivity of the penis to touch unless the penis is sore or injured nor staying power.

(2) Whether use of the pump produces greater sexual desire depends on the psychic make-up of the user and not on the mechanical action of the pump. To attribute to its use automatically an increase in sexual desire is a false representation.

e. Respondent's representations are not only false but also materially so. For they misrepresent the effectiveness of the product which potential purchasers are asked to buy.

CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. Respondent's representations as a matter of law carry the meaning for the ordinary reader which I have found. Donaldson v. Read Magazine, 333 U.S. 178 (1948).

2. For representations in the advertisements of a respondent to be found false and for the application of 39 USC 3005 it is not necessary that a test purchase be made by a postal inspector in response to the particular advertisement.

3. Respondent is engaged in a scheme or device for obtaining money through the mails by means of false representations.

4. An order as provided for in 39 USC 3005 and in the form annexed should be issued.
 
2010-05-01 06:04:17 PM
Phil Herup: NeverDrunk23: he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.

Is this all you do on FARK? Dream up conspiracies of alts and mods?


It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.
 
2010-05-01 06:08:03 PM
erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.



why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar
 
2010-05-01 06:23:48 PM
thamike: The Decepticons did that for me.

Since when is my mom a Decepticon?
 
2010-05-01 06:38:17 PM
Phil Herup: erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.



why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar


I don't know. Why are you pretending to be a dentist?

Wow. You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name. I'm impressed.
 
2010-05-01 07:04:03 PM
erveek: Why are you pretending to be a dentist?


Why do you care?


erveek: You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name.


But I didn't.

Why are you so insecure?
 
2010-05-01 07:08:25 PM
Phil Herup: erveek: Why are you pretending to be a dentist?
Why do you care?


Because it's fun to mock you.


erveek: You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name.
But I didn't.

Look at all the people who believe you.

Why are you so insecure?

[projector.jpg]
 
2010-05-01 07:09:05 PM
One of these days, I'll use preview.
 
2010-05-01 07:16:57 PM
At least Bush flew over N.O. two days after Katrina hit. Obama has waited EIGHT DAYS before doing anything? This guy's the worst president in history.
 
2010-05-01 07:20:35 PM
erveek: Why are you so insecure?


I'm not. You seem to be the one who is desperate trying to prove I am lying. As for myself, I could not care less who or what you are, because it does not matter to me.


erveek: Look at all the people who believe you.


Who.. a bunch of anti-success progressives? Like I care.



erveek: Because it's fun to mock you.


Do you even know how to mock? You are doing it wrong.
 
2010-05-01 07:21:19 PM
tony41454: This guy's the worst president in history.



He is the worst black president for sure.
 
2010-05-01 07:23:45 PM
Phil Herup: erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.



why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar


YOU LEAVE THE BONES OF THE FOOT OUT OF THIS.

/lol
 
2010-05-01 07:32:21 PM
Phil Herup: erveek: Why are you so insecure?
I'm not. You seem to be the one who is desperate trying to prove I am lying. As for myself, I could not care less who or what you are, because it does not matter to me.


I was quoting you. Didn't preview, and forgot to reopen the italics tag I closed. Context is important, which is why you always trim it.

erveek: Look at all the people who believe you.
Who.. a bunch of anti-success progressives? Like I care.


You post an awful lot for someone who doesn't care.

erveek: Because it's fun to mock you.
Do you even know how to mock? You are doing it wrong.


You're too stupid to know when you're being mocked.
 
2010-05-01 08:03:29 PM
DRAIN THE GULF OF MEXICO AND TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT!
 
2010-05-01 08:11:17 PM
tony41454: At least Bush flew over N.O. two days after Katrina hit. Obama has waited EIGHT DAYS before doing anything? This guy's the worst president in history.

Until you eat of the tree of knowledge, you will not know good from evil.

/You look very hungry.
 
2010-05-01 10:01:40 PM
YodaTuna: RockIsDead:

/on who's watch?

Totally Obama's fault the rig blew up.

The Coast Guard was out on Day 1. What more do you want? We don't have a fleet of ships on standby to fix oil spills. If you aware of such a fleet that has been deployed due to Obama's incompetence or due to the incompentence of someone he put into place, I would like to see it.

/a lot of trolls in this thread


Heh...Bush had hurricane fans, it's entirely plausible Obama has fire sticks.
 
2010-05-01 10:37:21 PM
ghare: Shatner's Bassoon: Do you know who is dumber than Phil Herup? Every single person that replies to him.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS


too bad that when you put someone on ignore, replies to them don't get ignored also.
 
2010-05-01 11:44:57 PM
rjkline: On a serious note...is their anything that Obama hasn't screwed up? What a total embarrassment he is to our country. Does anyone remember him trying to enter the White House through a window when he mistook it for a door? Total hilarity! Or the simple words he has misspelled on camera...especially when he filled out his NCAA brackets on ESPN. Or the total look of horror that overcomes him when his teleprompter breaks down! I could go on for days, but the bottom line is that this guy is a laughingstock and certainly not strong or smart enough to handle small problems and certainly out of his league during a real crisis. Most likely he's a nice young man, but obviously in way over his head!

Who wouldn't be?

This nation elects to the position of President, not the smartest but the most charismatic. Using an old school, AD&D analogy, who makes a character with an intelligence of 18 and a charisma of 18? No one, that's who. They don't exist in the game and they don't exist in the real world.
 
2010-05-02 01:27:44 AM
r1chard3: ghare: Shatner's Bassoon: Do you know who is dumber than Phil Herup? Every single person that replies to him.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

too bad that when you put someone on ignore, replies to them don't get ignored also.


This, so very much.
 
2010-05-02 09:08:14 AM
erveek: You post an awful lot for someone who doesn't care.


That makes no sense at all.


Me not caring what you think, has nothing to do with my opinion on the way this country is being run.


I think you may be an idiot.


erveek: You're too stupid to know when you're being mocked.



Well, at least I am ahead of you.
 
2010-05-02 10:47:03 AM
Mentat: This came out of no where drill baby drill
 
2010-05-02 11:17:47 AM
rjkline: On a serious note...is their anything that Obama hasn't screwed up? What a total embarrassment he is to our country. Does anyone remember him trying to enter the White House through a window when he mistook it for a door? Total hilarity! Or the simple words he has misspelled on camera...especially when he filled out his NCAA brackets on ESPN. Or the total look of horror that overcomes him when his teleprompter breaks down! I could go on for days, but the bottom line is that this guy is a laughingstock and certainly not strong or smart enough to handle small problems and certainly out of his league during a real crisis. Most likely he's a nice young man, but obviously in way over his head!

It sounds like you have a case of Bushnesia.
 
2010-05-02 11:24:14 AM
Phil Herup: erveek: You post an awful lot for someone who doesn't care.
That makes no sense at all.
Me not caring what you think, has nothing to do with my opinion on the way this country is being run.
I think you may be an idiot.


Nice that you trimmed what I responded to so you could act like I said something I didn't.

erveek: You're too stupid to know when you're being mocked.
Well, at least I am ahead of you.

LOL.

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2010-05-02 11:30:46 AM
erveek:


t1.gstatic.com


Sense.

You make none.


erveek: so you could act like I said something I didn't.


No I didn't... You are just failing
 
2010-05-02 11:53:11 AM
Phil Herup: No I


LOL

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2010-05-03 01:53:58 AM
erveek: LOL

I hate you. There's a reason for ignore. Don't make me ignore you by proxy for making me read Phil's stupid blather. DON'T RESPOND!!!
 
2010-05-03 09:35:07 AM
Jesus. This is the worst thread in a long, long time.
 
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