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2010-05-01 02:19:04 PM  

kab: c) please throw yourself down a flight of stairs for being a moron.


One of the few instances in which cause and effect tend to coexist.
 
2010-05-01 02:20:10 PM  

Phil Herup: 1. Obama's lack of action on this for days and days


I was talking in general. Funny though because I seem to recall the Coast Guard dealing with the fire and spill from the beginning. With FEMA and the Air Force joining operations shortly after. I'm not positive but I believe these agencies work for the President but I am just a simple Canadian and government operations confuse me.

www.adequatulence.com

Should Obama have dispatched the emergency oil skimmer Navy?
 
2010-05-01 02:20:41 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: krelborne: In an apparent effort to make this "Obama's Katrina", both Hannity and Rush are lobbing accusations that this administration has done nothing about this for over a week, despite the fact that the Coast Guard was on it from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes the accepted narrative on the right.

Um your a jackass---he sent the NAVY 2 days ago. The Coast Guard can not contain an oil spill. So nice try but try again.. Because he did fail. Sending the Navy a week later to asses the situation is a jackass move--he took to long--he dropped the ball...NO REALLY-he farked UP!


The Coast Guard has the means to deal with oil spills, as does BP. The problem is that the leak was underestimated initially, which, of course, will lead to a later, heavier response. But yeah, my a jackass, jackass.
 
2010-05-01 02:21:55 PM  

mrshowrules: I was talking in general. Funny though because I seem to recall the Coast Guard dealing with the fire and spill from the beginning. With FEMA and the Air Force joining operations shortly after. I'm not positive but I believe these agencies work for the President but I am just a simple Canadian and government operations confuse me.


You're just yapping at a sadistic nihilistic liberal.
 
2010-05-01 02:23:41 PM  

krelborne: But yeah, my a jackass, jackass.


Maya Jackass?
 
2010-05-01 02:29:50 PM  

kab: I'm of the mind, with a few others in here, that although this is not the "fault" of the federal gov't, the fact that this issue is now impacting the area makes it their responsibility to quite heavily assist in the cleanup.

So what should be done right now that isn't? Answers like "it shouldn't have happened in the first place" and "stop future drilling in the area" aren't acceptable, this question focuses on the immediate problem.

go.


Agreed, but in what way? Should Obama be sending every boat in the Navy and Coast Guard (or at least those at reasonable travel distance) to the area with booms and such? Will this help, given that they probably know dick about the process of stopping oil slicks? Should he send members of the government to the shore with buckets, scrub-brushes and towels?

Again, these are interesting ideas, but there are actual honest to god experts on oil spill clean-up, who use actual tools engineered to make the process quicker and easier, such as special chemicals used to cause the oil to clump up, who are no doubt on there way if not there already to assist in the clean-up. Sometimes one has to stop at ask if the actions they are thinking of taking will help or hinder efforts to solve the problem.

It's all a moot point anyway. If there are actions to mitigate this disaster that Obama failed to take, we will discover them in time, just as we know the flaws in Bush's Katrina response. And, I, as a loyal Democrat will, with this post, do something no Republican ever did during Bush years: call for a full, open and independent investigation of every action undertaking by BP and the government in response to this accident in order to discover every flaw in response so a similar disaster can be avoided in the future, even if it makes Obama look like the second coming of Bush the Lesser.
 
2010-05-01 02:31:33 PM  

CanisNoir: It's a form of mocking the laughably high-soaring rhetoric he used during the campaign and how his supporters reacted to it.

Getting mad at GatoNegro on the religious level places you directly along side those who threatened Trey and Matt for depicting Mohamed.
[blog.osministry.com image 400x400]


Asking someone to "please, knock it off" puts me directly along side those who make direct threats in an attempt to censor? High-soaring rhetoric, indeed!
 
2010-05-01 02:40:21 PM  
F42: CanisNoir - Gato Negro. Aren't you the same troll?


i42.tinypic.com
 
2010-05-01 02:42:46 PM  

Name_Omitted: High-soaring rhetoric, indeed!


Ever been in a crowd and used the term like "hypothetical," only to be met with an errant reply of "ooh big word?" This is about the time where you have to balance the pros and cons of riot gas, and just leaving.
 
2010-05-01 02:46:34 PM  

F42: Shouldn't you still be complaining about Obama not wearing his jacket in his own office?


His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.

BTW... with all due respect, it is not "his" office. It is the People's Office.
 
2010-05-01 02:49:40 PM  

Phil Herup: His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.


People just make stuff up.
 
2010-05-01 02:53:25 PM  

BladBoy: Props to the trolls that kept pushing this BS. This is all Obama's fault. Drill Baby, Drill. And go fark yourself.


Isn't it obvious that Obama let this disaster unfold just to save face on his decision to suspend offshore drilling?

/Didn't read the thread
 
2010-05-01 02:54:39 PM  

rnld: People just make stuff up.


Right.. they're sociopathic trolls too, who also lie.
 
2010-05-01 03:01:17 PM  

rnld: Phil Herup: His ability to devalue the office of the President of the United States goes beyond just not wearing a jacket.

People just make stuff up.


I don't know if you've noticed this, but he's a black man.
In the WHITE house.

This country is ruined.
 
2010-05-01 03:04:08 PM  
Phil Herup:
Everyone that does not think lock-step with the Obammunists and FARK LibsTM are trolls.

Someone who posts profusely, rarely presents an actual argument or an opinion beyond variations of "my oppononts are stupid", and never forgets to include insults and gross generalizations, could either be a troll or just someone with little to contribute other than a horrible personality. Or a Farker. But I'm repeating myself.
 
2010-05-01 03:05:05 PM  

TheJoeY: I don't know if you've noticed this, but he's a black man.
In the WHITE house.

This country is ruined.


whwweb.com

The prophecy has just been fulfilled is all.
 
2010-05-01 03:17:47 PM  
BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?
 
2010-05-01 03:21:58 PM  

Phil Herup: Right.. they're sociopathic trolls too, who also lie.


OK sure. How's that cohesivene criticism working out for you, beefsteak?
 
2010-05-01 03:22:05 PM  

RockIsDead: BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?


Weak
 
2010-05-01 03:23:19 PM  

RockIsDead: BP out of business.

The entire gulf coast bankrupt.

Way to go!

/on who's watch?


BP stands for Barack Potatoe! See? See!?

Yeppers.
 
2010-05-01 03:23:22 PM  
Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.


OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!
 
2010-05-01 03:25:55 PM  
I'll just leave this here.

Link

Click on the "Fleet" tab to see the Deepwater Horizon in better days.
 
2010-05-01 03:33:49 PM  

RockIsDead: /on who's watch?


c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com

THIS watch.
 
2010-05-01 03:34:47 PM  

RockIsDead: Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.

OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!


EVERYBODY'S MISSING THE POINT! THE POINT IS...
 
2010-05-01 04:28:17 PM  

RockIsDead:

/on who's watch?


Totally Obama's fault the rig blew up.

The Coast Guard was out on Day 1. What more do you want? We don't have a fleet of ships on standby to fix oil spills. If you aware of such a fleet that has been deployed due to Obama's incompetence or due to the incompentence of someone he put into place, I would like to see it.

/a lot of trolls in this thread
 
2010-05-01 04:32:55 PM  
Have the Republicans said that this oil spill would have been prevented if only we would have given tax cuts to the oil companies? Because tax cuts solve every problem according to the GOP.

/can we give tax cuts to the wildlife being affected by the oil spill?
 
2010-05-01 04:58:26 PM  

Mentat: So what exactly was Bush supposed to do, dive down and fix the entire city of New Orleans himself? This came out of no where(at least according to the Mayor of NO), everyone is doing everything they can to contain this, and BP has accepted full responsibility.


Yeah, this came out of nowhere, for ten days. But he has top men on it. Well, not the top man.

But I agreed with your sentiment when you felt this way post Katrina.
 
2010-05-01 05:07:16 PM  

s2s2s2: Mentat: So what exactly was Bush supposed to do, dive down and fix the entire

Yeah, this came out of nowhere, for ten days. But he has top men on it. Well, not the top man.

But I agreed with your sentiment when you felt this way post Katrina.


I used to play with Tinker-Toys.
 
2010-05-01 05:08:36 PM  

thamike: I used to play with Tinker-Toys.


I know, and you forgot to wipe.
 
2010-05-01 05:13:58 PM  

s2s2s2: thamike: I used to play with Tinker-Toys.

I know, and you forgot to wipe.


The Decepticons did that for me.
 
2010-05-01 05:36:42 PM  

thamike: THIS watch.


I sent that to bunch friends yesterday. Did you see that on Gizmodo?
 
2010-05-01 05:41:59 PM  

RockIsDead: Do what?

EVERY friggin oil sucker ship and barrier ON SITE, DAY ONE!

Just to start.

OBAMAFAIL!!

You Oexcusniks are PATHETIC!!!


You're just not trying any more aren't you? Ah, who am I kidding, you never did try in the first place.
 
2010-05-01 05:43:48 PM  

Hetfield: I think the very fact that you claim you never blamed Bush for Katrina proves that you blame Bush for Katrina. In short: You have no chance to survive make your time.


I don't know how to respond to this because I don't know what it's supposed to mean.
 
2010-05-01 05:46:04 PM  
This is utter crap, there is no way this is Obama's fault.
We should be treating Obama with all the respect and dignity that Bush was treated with.
 
2010-05-01 05:48:44 PM  

Descartes: We should be treating Obama with all the respect and dignity that Bush was treated with.


I have no problem with that.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2010-05-01 05:49:07 PM  

Name_Omitted: Every time I see crap like this, I just want to smack someone, which is wholly hypocritical and counter to my religious beliefs.

Well trolled, but please, knock it off. We had a messiah. No one on the left thinks that a president is a messiah. Caesar's face may be on the coin, and he may rule the government, but that is the extent of his realm. God's realm is something different, grander, and altogether beyond our comprehension.

Trust me, liberal Christians understand this, and it is not us that you are mocking by joking about a messiah.

/off soapbox


Why do you think Canis Noir said it? Because he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.
 
2010-05-01 05:52:51 PM  
I'm whiteTM
I like to go to the beach.
Obama is destroying mah beaches.
Therefore,
OBAMA HATES WHITE PEOPLE.
 
2010-05-01 05:53:06 PM  

NeverDrunk23: he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.


Is this all you do on FARK? Dream up conspiracies of alts and mods?
 
2010-05-01 06:01:53 PM  
In the Matter of the Complaint Against:

LEASURE TIME PRODUCTS;
P.O. Box 2206 at
Columbus, OH 43216

P.S. Docket No. 5/177

07/28/77

Sobernheim, Rudolf; Administrative Law Judge

APPEARANCES:
H. Richard Hefner, Esq.
Consumer Protection Office;
Law Department; U.S. Postal Service;
Washington, D.C. 20260 for Complainant

Howard A. Spies, Esq.
40 West Gay Street;
Columbus, Ohio 43215 for Respondent

INITIAL DECISION
This is a proceeding by complainant against respondent under 39 USC 3005 which authorizes action against respondent on evidence satisfactory to the Postal Service that respondent is "engaged in conducting a scheme or device for obtaining money or property through the mails by means of false representations." Complainant alleges that respondent is engaged in such a scheme in the sale of a VACUUM ENLARGER. Specifically complainant in paragraphs II and III of the complaint alleges that respondent through the use of advertisements (Compl. Ex. A and B) makes representations, directly or indirectly, in substance and effect, whether by affirmative statements, omission or implication, as follows:

"(a) The VACUUM ENLARGER is an effective means for a male to increase the dimensions of his penis.

(b) Use of the VACUUM ENLARGER will assure a male of achieving an immediate erection.

(c) Use of the VACUUM ENLARGER will '...cause the penis to be more sensitive to touch, and increase your staying power and desire.'"

Complainant further alleges in paragraph IV of the complaint that these representations are false and materially so.

Respondent in its answer admits the use of the advertisements (Compl. Ex. A and B) in order to induce readers thereof to remit money through the mails to respondent but denies the falsity of any representation made by it or the illegality of any of its actions. It admits that it makes the representation set forth in paragraph III(a) of the complaint but denies making the representations set forth in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint.

A hearing was held on 20 June 1977 at which respondent presented testimony regarding a test purchase of respondent's product made by a postal inspector and expert medical testimony regarding the claimed falsity of respondent's representations. Respondent called no witnesses of its own but its counsel cross-examined complainant's witnesses. Both parties submitted proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law after the hearing.

FINDINGS OF FACT
1. Respondent is engaged in the sale of a penis VACUUM ENLARGER through the mails, attracting purchasers by means of the advertisements, copies of which are attached to the complaint as exhibits A and B, and receiving money from purchasers through the mails (Answer, pars. I, II; T 5 etseq.).

2. Respondent has admitted in its answer that it represents that its product is an effective means to increase the dimensions of the penis and its advertisements bear out the propriety of the admission.

3. a. The two representations as to obtaining an immediate erection and increased sensitivity to touch and staying power (Complaint, par. III(b) and (c)) are not found in the December 1976 advertisement of respondent (Compl. Ex. A).

b. The second advertisement in the Hustler of June 1977 (Compl. Ex. B) states that the Vacuum Enlarger will "help" the user "obtain an immediate erection, cause the penis to be more sensitive to touch, and increase his staying power and desire." The representations alleged by complainant in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint to have been made by respondent are closely patterned after the text of the June 1977 advertisement.

c. The advertisement, read literally, states that respondent's product will "help" the user attain the quoted results rather than, as complainant alleges, "cause" or "assure" them. But to the mind of ordinary readers, seeking the end results of which the advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) speaks, the advertisement and its illustration, read as a whole, hold out the plain expectation that the desired results will follow from acquisition and be caused or assured by the use of respondent's product.

d. Although the second advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) appeared in the June issue of the Hustler that issue must have been received early enough by Complainant's Special Investigations Division (see T 4, 24) so that complainant could attach a copy thereof to its complaint, filed with the Docket Clerk of the Office of the Administrative Law Judges of the U. S. Postal Service on 12 May 1977.

e. I find that complainant's exhibit B is properly to be considered in this proceeding (see T 72-73) and that respondent makes therein the representations which are set forth in paragraph III(b) and (c) of the complaint.

4. In response to the test purchase of respondent's product the postal inspector received a package (T 16-17) the contents of which were listed on the enclosed package slip (Compl. Ex. D-3) as one "penis enlarger transvers vac."

a. The penis enlarger consists of a plastic-covered (T 21) circular rubber or plastic object with a hole in the middle (T 21) and a pump (T 22).

b. A white label was affixed to the pump which bore the following text (T 36):

"(Arrow pointing to vent hole along side of pump) To operate plunger, hold finger over hole for pump to suck. To stop suction, remove finger from hole. Warning]]]this pump is sold as a novelty only and is not intended for use. It has not been clinically tested nor is it approved."

c. The package included an instruction sheet (Compl. Ex. D-7) for use of the penis enlarger (T 22).

5. In brief, the "Directions for use of vacuum/penis pumps" instruct the user to attach the "doughnut" (i.e., the above-mentioned rubber or plastic object), lubricated with a greaseless cream, to the base of the pump and to insert the penis into the pump through the hole in the "doughnut", preferably, though not necessarily, when the penis is erect. Then the user must cover the vacuum-release port which is a hole in the pump wall and begin pumping to evacuate air from the pump until the desired level of vacuum is reached. The user is warned, however, that too high a level of vacuum may cause a rupture of veins within the penis or otherwise damage it (Compl. Ex. D-7).

6. There is no direct evidence that the vacuum enlarger furnished by respondent to the postal inspector as part of the test purchase made by the latter in response to the advertisement of December 1976 (Compl. Ex. A) is exactly the same item as that which respondent would have furnished in response to a purchase pursuant to the advertisement of June 1977 (Compl. Ex. B). The instructions furnished by respondent to the postal inspector (Compl. Ex. D-7) state, however:

"Regardless of the manufacturer, all vacuum pumps designed to be used with the penis (for whatever purpose) share several features. All have a vacuum pump, designed to evacuate the air from the main tube. These pumps vary greatly in efficiency...

"Every vacuum pump has a release port...

"Use of Vacuum Pump

Regardless of the particular model of vacuum pump utilized the principle is the same...."

7. On the basis of the foregoing statements of respondent I find that the identity of the vacuum pump which respondent would have furnished to a purchaser pursuant to the June 1977 advertisement is immaterial since all penis vacuum pump enlargers work according to the same principles and to the same effect.

8. I further find that the medical expert witness who testified for complainant predicated his testimony not on the quality of a particular vacuum enlarger but on the ineffectiveness of the principle of operation to obtain the advertised result.

9. Hence, charges based on the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) are properly part of this proceeding.

10. Complainant called as its expert medical witness a well qualified physician employed as a medical officer by the federal Food and Drug Administration and assigned since 1971 as liaison officer with the Postal Service (T 27-34).

11. The witness gave a description of respondent's product and of its mode of operation (T 35-37) which is in general accord with the operating instructions (Compl. Ex. D-7), summarized in Finding of Fact No. 5.

12. Complainant's medical expert testified that penis size is generally determined by a man's genes and may also be influenced by his hormonal make-up (T 38-39).

13. When the penis is inserted into the vacuum pump and the pump is operated, blood flows into the penis which thereupon becomes engorged (T 40-41). But such engorgement is not a normal erection (T 42, 50).

14. A normal erection is caused by neural pressure at the base of the penis which tightens the muscles at the base of the penis and slows the return of blood from the penis through the venal system (T 41).

15. The vacuum pump is not effective as a method of "enlarging" the penis either in preparation for sexual intercourse quickly to follow its use or over a longer term. For the engorgement of the penis with an inflow of blood dissolves when the pump is removed and the effect does not last long enough to perform any sexual act (T 43-44). Even though engorged, however, the penis may remain flabby and not become erect (T 53).

16. On the other hand, if the pump is used when an erection has already been attained (see Compl. Ex. D-7, par. 3) then there is no engorgement or further increase in the size of the penis (T 44).

17. Use of the pump creates no physiological basis for greater staying power (T 46, 60) nor does it make the penis more sensitive to touch unless the penis has been injured and becomes sore (T 45).

18. Whether the use of the pump produces greater sexual desires depends on the sexual fantasies and psychology of the user (T 46, 61).

19. Respondent's medical expert witness testified that his views represented the consensus of medical opinion and nothing in the record leads me to doubt his statement.

20. Based on the foregoing detailed findings of fact and on the record as a whole I find:

a. The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(a) of the complaint and admittedly made by it is false. For the evidence establishes that such enlargement of the penis as the use of the vacuum tube produces is too fleeting to produce any practical effect for purposes of sexual intercourse. That it will do so, however, is the impression which respondent creates in its advertisements both directly and by implication and that is precisely the result which is not attained.

b. The correctness of this finding is confirmed by the fact that the pump is labelled as a novelty item not intended for use. The concealment of this fact in respondent's advertisements demonstrates their falsity in claiming practical usability or effectiveness for the pump as a "penis enlarger."

c. The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(b) of the complaint and made by it in the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) is false, for the use of the pump does not produce an erection.

d. (1) The representation charged to respondent in paragraph III(c) of the complaint and made by it in the June 1977 advertisement (Compl. Ex. B) is false since use of the pump produces neither increased sensitivity of the penis to touch unless the penis is sore or injured nor staying power.

(2) Whether use of the pump produces greater sexual desire depends on the psychic make-up of the user and not on the mechanical action of the pump. To attribute to its use automatically an increase in sexual desire is a false representation.

e. Respondent's representations are not only false but also materially so. For they misrepresent the effectiveness of the product which potential purchasers are asked to buy.

CONCLUSIONS OF LAW
1. Respondent's representations as a matter of law carry the meaning for the ordinary reader which I have found. Donaldson v. Read Magazine, 333 U.S. 178 (1948).

2. For representations in the advertisements of a respondent to be found false and for the application of 39 USC 3005 it is not necessary that a test purchase be made by a postal inspector in response to the particular advertisement.

3. Respondent is engaged in a scheme or device for obtaining money through the mails by means of false representations.

4. An order as provided for in 39 USC 3005 and in the form annexed should be issued.
 
2010-05-01 06:04:17 PM  

Phil Herup: NeverDrunk23: he wanted a guaranteed reaction to at least one of his accounts.

Is this all you do on FARK? Dream up conspiracies of alts and mods?


It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.
 
2010-05-01 06:08:03 PM  

erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.


why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar
 
2010-05-01 06:23:48 PM  

thamike: The Decepticons did that for me.


Since when is my mom a Decepticon?
 
2010-05-01 06:38:17 PM  

Phil Herup: erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.

why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar


I don't know. Why are you pretending to be a dentist?

Wow. You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name. I'm impressed.
 
2010-05-01 07:04:03 PM  

erveek: Why are you pretending to be a dentist?



Why do you care?


erveek: You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name.



But I didn't.

Why are you so insecure?
 
2010-05-01 07:08:25 PM  

Phil Herup: erveek: Why are you pretending to be a dentist?
Why do you care?


Because it's fun to mock you.


erveek: You can google "jaw nerves" and find one with a longish name.
But I didn't.

Look at all the people who believe you.

Why are you so insecure?

[projector.jpg]
 
2010-05-01 07:09:05 PM  
One of these days, I'll use preview.
 
2010-05-01 07:16:57 PM  
At least Bush flew over N.O. two days after Katrina hit. Obama has waited EIGHT DAYS before doing anything? This guy's the worst president in history.
 
2010-05-01 07:20:35 PM  

erveek: Why are you so insecure?



I'm not. You seem to be the one who is desperate trying to prove I am lying. As for myself, I could not care less who or what you are, because it does not matter to me.


erveek: Look at all the people who believe you.



Who.. a bunch of anti-success progressives? Like I care.

erveek: Because it's fun to mock you.



Do you even know how to mock? You are doing it wrong.
 
2010-05-01 07:21:19 PM  

tony41454: This guy's the worst president in history.


He is the worst black president for sure.
 
2010-05-01 07:23:45 PM  

Phil Herup: erveek: It beats pretending to be a dentist, I'd suppose.

why would anyone pretend to be a dentist?


here look this up... posterior superior alveolar


YOU LEAVE THE BONES OF THE FOOT OUT OF THIS.

/lol
 
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