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2010-05-01 10:05:13 AM
graggor: Lenny_da_Hog: graggor: BP has actually done A TON of stuff in the past 8 days.

They combined with the Navy and the coast guard have been working extremely hard on dealing with this.

Unfortunately we have partisan morons who listen to mark levin and other dumbasses who rail against everything their opponents do so whatever.

BP's maintenance and safety records say otherwise. It's kinda why they had their asses hauled before congress a few years ago.

Dood. I am talking about this crisis. Not what led up to the crisis. We do not even know the cause of the accident. Accidents occur. Nothing in this life will be 100% preventable. IT is how we deal with our accidents that matter. RIght now BP is doing a lot and working with the NAVY, Coast Guard and thousands and thousands of people to clean this up.

A lot better than EXXON did in 1989.


Of course you're not talking about what led up to it, or what came from it, because they're full of FAIL.

The only thing BP has to do on those fields is MANAGE them -- that means planning for the SAFE development and transportation of the oil.

They had no catastrophic failure plan for a platform? No spill contingency planning? Their engineering and/or operations and/or maintenance and/or training were so slack that they had an explosion that killed eleven workers?

Doing what the cops tell you to do afterward doesn't make you a model citizen. In the oil industry, incident prevention is the business of management, period.
 
2010-05-01 10:06:13 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.

/laughable at best

// the US had better get used to this being in the news for a few months cause it will be that long before the wellhead is capped.

///it will be a hot and crappy summer on the Gulf Coast


People, People can we stop bickering about this and put the blame where it really belongs? On the incompetent company that built a rig that saw every one of its fail-safes fail?

That's right: let us all come together as a nation and kick Halliburton right square in the nuts for their shoddy construction and design of this thing.


With luck, we might get back in punitive damages all the money they stole from us in Iraq
 
2010-05-01 10:09:12 AM
graggor:
THeir response is far better than 1989s response from exxon.
They do accept responsibility and will work to make things better in the gulf. Exxon did everything to blame others and put off paying up for 20 years.


Exxon put TONS of cash into the front-end clean-up. That cash went to a company called Veco and turned them into international contractors almost overnight. They did it for the PR -- video of thousands of workers spraying rocks on PWS hitting the news every night bought them a little credibility.

That's the same thing BP is doing right now. They're doing what the Navy and CG are telling them to do, so when the civil suits hit later (which they most assuredly will fight, the same as Exxon did), they can say they "did everything they could."

The fact is, there should have been no explosion, and there should have been a catastrophic failure plan.
 
2010-05-01 10:09:13 AM
graggor: Emposter: kab: kmmontandon: 3. The BP spill is directly attributable to BP's poor engineering (and even more directly to Halliburton) - BP is a private company, and thus Obama is not actually in charge of it, or responsible for its decision making. The only federal agency that is remotely qualified to help with mitigate this disaster is the Coast Guard, and they've been on things from the beginning.

See, I have a problem with leaving this mess up to a farking oil company to fix. And if you don't agree, you may want to look back at how the Exxon spill was(n't) handled.

I'd prefer a "hey, you farked up. But we're going to pretty much do what you should be doing to clean this up and you'll get the bill later".

Then again, it's just ecology, right? I mean.. we're capitalists. Little green rectangular pieces of paper are FAR more important than our surroundings.

I'm suprised the right isn't pissed off that money is being spent on the cleanup in the first place.

What? Why? The right loves oil! Why should they be pissed off that the Federal government is spending huge amounts of money to save a private corporation from the consequences of it's own bad decisions?

Oh.

Well all right then!

BP is spending billions to deal with this issue. They have to coordinate clean up with the government and are working with the NAVY and coast guard to deal with this issue.

THeir response is far better than 1989s response from exxon.
They do accept responsibility and will work to make things better in the gulf. Exxon did everything to blame others and put off paying up for 20 years.


A) So? You haven't explained how advocating massive government intervention meshes with the party of "let them fail."
B) If you think BP isn't going to spend massive amounts of money fighting the US's demands for repayment you are out of your mind.
 
2010-05-01 10:09:29 AM
Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

Shatner's Bassoon: And you'd be defending him, so what does that make you for attacking Obama now?



Liberal translation: Gato Negro is correct.

But you really can't blame The Annointed OneTM for dithering. That's simply the community organizer's style of 'leadership'. Plus, he has been kind of busy lately...

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2010-05-01 10:09:58 AM
mrshowrules: You never admit you are wrong even when it is painfully obvious.



[looks around}


What is obvious?


1. Obama's lack of action on this for days and days
2. The Obammunists apologizing for him


That is quite obvious.
 
2010-05-01 10:10:24 AM
this is private property by the way.

BP told the government multiple times...WE CAN HANDLE THE SPILL...IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

So the government (per the usual) with its sever lack of authority and power over private issues despite what idiots like mark levin would like you to think...only did work on skimming the oil off and putting out fires.

4 days later government officials and scientists realized it was worse than BP was trying to say so immediate action went into place to do more than BP was doing and increase the effort.

the coast guard was there on day 1 that it happened. within 24 horus they were working.

it took 4 days to get those people out of the superdome. they didnt start evacuating it till day 3. Also they knew katrina would strike 2 days before and knew it was category 5 the day before it hit.

they did nothing till september 1st to get fema there and they were heavily disorganized and uncentralized. no command.

so it took less than 24 hours to mobilize these groups for the oil.

it took nearly 3 days after katrina when it should have had mobilized groups 2 days before.fark this bullshiat comparison.
 
2010-05-01 10:12:45 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: The fact is, there should have been no explosion



Dangerous jobs are dangerous. They deal with forces within the Earth that are beyond comparison in our industrial world.


High pressure + crude oil = danger
 
2010-05-01 10:14:44 AM
graggor: this is private property by the way.

BP told the government multiple times...WE CAN HANDLE THE SPILL...IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

So the government (per the usual) with its sever lack of authority and power over private issues despite what idiots like mark levin would like you to think...only did work on skimming the oil off and putting out fires.

4 days later government officials and scientists realized it was worse than BP was trying to say so immediate action went into place to do more than BP was doing and increase the effort.

the coast guard was there on day 1 that it happened. within 24 horus they were working.

it took 4 days to get those people out of the superdome. they didnt start evacuating it till day 3. Also they knew katrina would strike 2 days before and knew it was category 5 the day before it hit.

they did nothing till september 1st to get fema there and they were heavily disorganized and uncentralized. no command.

so it took less than 24 hours to mobilize these groups for the oil.

it took nearly 3 days after katrina when it should have had mobilized groups 2 days before.fark this bullshiat comparison.


Now now, don't let the facts distract you from the idea that both sides are teh bad! Context is a liberal conspiracy, the more reality supports you, the more obviously wrong you are.

/conservatroll....ENGAGE!
 
2010-05-01 10:15:29 AM
graggor: fark this bullshiat comparison.



Wow... that is some nice apologetics there.

t2.gstatic.com


Stay on your meds
 
2010-05-01 10:16:03 AM
Funny, I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.
 
2010-05-01 10:16:45 AM
Here in south Louisiana, the word has been going around (leaked by locals within BP) that British Petroleum had decided that the risk of a disaster involving an oil platform was so low it wasn't necessary to plan for it. Besides, it would have cost them money.

Ironically humorous to watch Jindall going into contortions trying to spin this whole thing: "This is terrible and we have to contain the damage -- and we don't know how it happened, but it wasn't the fault of the oil companies (who contributed heavily to my campaign) -- but Louisiana can't afford to pay for it, either -- and the federal government is too large and interferes in everything -- but we need massive federal assistance and intervention RIGHT NOW!"
 
2010-05-01 10:18:02 AM
Emposter: Context is a liberal conspiracy



It was fun to watch the libs try to use that concept to defend racist Sotomayor, they also employ nuance in the employment of their double standards.
 
2010-05-01 10:19:08 AM
cameroncrazy1984: I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.

He was too busy deciding when people have "made enough money".
 
2010-05-01 10:19:24 AM
cameroncrazy1984: Funny, I don't remember President Obama playing guitar or eating cake last week.


Then you haven't read the news.

The OneTM has definitely been handling an instrument and eating 'something' in various hotel rooms recently, as enquiring minds have discovered...
 
2010-05-01 10:21:04 AM
Obama was too busy cheating on his wife to deal with the oil catastrophe.



So classic.
 
2010-05-01 10:24:09 AM
Comrade438: Restore the Han!
 
2010-05-01 10:28:02 AM



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2010-05-01 10:30:07 AM
phil: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.
But i suppose *anything* is a chance for you to score some points against obama. Show a little integrity for once eh, some of us are serious about being a conservative.
 
2010-05-01 10:31:38 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: Context is a liberal conspiracy



It was fun to watch the libs try to use that concept to defend racist Sotomayor, they also employ nuance in the employment of their double standards.


The best part is that Phil is completely unashamed of having this position.

It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter. Man, I wish I could find the thread where you adamantly claimed that it was racist to describe racism, because in doing so you may end up using some of the same terms, despite the fact that one is motivated by education and preventing racism, and the other is motivated by racism itself.
 
2010-05-01 10:32:28 AM
BP's been spending billions on its "green" image, in the same way the Republican party believes it can create its own reality through effective marketing.
Yes, you can convince people through endless lies and distortions, and people will believe you right up to the point when the real reality intervenes.
The redneck Riviera's been living off the oil teet for 50 years. Now reality has intervened.
Obama was a fool for backing offshore oil and nuclear in exchange for GOP votes he'll never get anyway. I expect a "transient" at one of our nuclear plants any day now.
 
2010-05-01 10:35:08 AM
Tymast: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.


As soon as the oil entered the water it became a problem for the gov't. Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.



Tymast: Show a little integrity for once eh


I am on point.
 
2010-05-01 10:36:53 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: send out the SWAT team...that's a BIG FARKN help.

/laughable at best

// the US had better get used to this being in the news for a few months cause it will be that long before the wellhead is capped.

///it will be a hot and crappy summer on the Gulf Coast


And the hurricanes will push the oil farther inland.
Good farking job president Obama.
 
2010-05-01 10:39:11 AM
Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter.



I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.
 
2010-05-01 10:40:35 AM
Phil Herup: Tymast: why should obama deal with it, keep the government out of private businesses' affairs.


As soon as the oil entered the water it became a problem for the gov't. Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.


You don't mean to say that the government has some sort of responsibility to intervene when the actions of corporations harm the public, do you?

Who are you and what have you done with Phil, you evil liberal!?
 
2010-05-01 10:45:55 AM
Emposter: You don't mean to say that the government has some sort of responsibility to intervene when the actions of corporations harm the public, do you?



Well that is a blanket statement.


Define "harm". Oil spill or making too much money.
 
2010-05-01 10:46:03 AM
Phil Herup: Protecting the coast and industries is one of the main functions of the Fed.


So is protecting the border.

But B. Hussein Obama will probably be leading the illegal-immigrant parade in downtown Los Angeles today, smiling and twirling a baton...
 
2010-05-01 10:46:42 AM
Wow!

The Lefty DERP tears in here are enough to drown a fella!

Tears for fears, clearly!

"OH NOES!!! NOT OUR FLAWLESS OMESSIAH!"

Hell, you can almost hear the atheist heathens starting to PRAY!

"OH LORDY, DEAR LORDY, MAKE IT NOT SO!!!!! HELP US OH LORDY!!!!"

HAHAHAH!!!
 
2010-05-01 10:47:35 AM
SouthernManDunWrong: Question: WTH will a SWAT team do on a farking oil well? I realize you are full of stupid so I will let you ask a friend so you can offer a coherent answer.

It's not 100% clear, but SWAT may refer to:
1. SWAT Inc. A Canadian company specializing in oil spills and environmental clean up. (S.W.A.T. = Spill-equipment With Attack Techniques Inc.)

But it's more likely to be...

2. A nickname for a team of researchers from UC Santa Cruz that specialize in surveying ecological damage to coastlines. They work with the Department of Interior Mineral Management Service, which is part of the team responding to the disaster.

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2010-05-01 10:52:15 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter. Man, I wish I could find the thread where you adamantly claimed that it was racist to describe racism, because in doing so you may end up using some of the same terms, despite the fact that one is motivated by education and preventing racism, and the other is motivated by racism itself.



I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.


Aha, found it!

Background: Thread regarding complaints that Conservatives were using the n-word on their signage.

Phil: The thought process of a FARK LibrulTM: "I am going to use the n-word to show you what a teabagger neocon might say and how they are the real racists; but I am not a closet racist no. Look I am just pointing out what a racist would say, see?"


Emposter:
Context matters you nitwit.


Phil: FARK LibsTM can use the n-word because they are using it in the proper context.

Pointing out progressive hypocrisy is just way too easy and too much fun. I can't believe you actually tried to go the "context" route.


Amiable: Do we really have to explain the word "context" to you? Really?

Let's do a little thought experiment in context, just as illustration:

Case 1: Chimpanzee escapes from the zoo, finds it's way to your house, you call the cops and say: "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

Case 2: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

One of those two statements is racist the other is not, even though they are the exact same statement. I will leave it as a thought experiment for you to try figure out which one Phil.


Phil: Too funny. You actually did exactly as I described what a FARK LibTM would do. Then you tried to hide behind a context argument.
 
2010-05-01 10:52:44 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: It's fun to watch you claim that context doesn't matter.

I never said context does not matter. I laughed as I watched the endless Sotomayor apologists claim that people were taking her comment out of context when in fact they were not at all. She made a blatantly racist statement for a judge, and there was no escaping it. Claiming her detractors were taking things out of context was incorrect, yet they still deny.


Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:03 AM
Gato Negro: Gato Negro: You liberal pricks are so damned funny. If this happened under Bush/Cheney, you would be SCREAMING hysterically about how slow the federal government was responding. 'Bush's failure to act' would be the bold headline and lead story on all state media from now until election day.

Shatner's Bassoon: And you'd be defending him, so what does that make you for attacking Obama now?

Liberal translation: Gato Negro is correct.


LOLFAIL! You're just as wrong here as you were when you failed in the thread 3 below this one. For the record; I never blamed Bush for Katrina, and I find it a bit of a joke that people are trying to blame Obama for this. There's very little anyone can do to stop an oil well 1 mile below sea level from leaking, and everything that can be done is being done. I've never credited Obama with messiah-like powers, but he'd need them to be able to do anything about this.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:36 AM
Phil: right, im sure there aren't any private contractors that could do this job faster and cheaper. But sure, let's throw away our values when we'll have to pay the piper for the mistakes made.
Great plan.. right on point too with what i've seen from you.
 
2010-05-01 10:53:43 AM
By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?
 
2010-05-01 10:56:57 AM
Gato Negro: So is protecting the border.



Which the Feds have failed at, and so after one of their own was murdered AZ decided action must be done to protect its citizens.


Which Obama spent time criticizing instead of addressing the oil spill.


He is sending S.W.A.T. though.... so he has that going for him
 
2010-05-01 10:57:56 AM
Shatner's Bassoon: For the record; I never blamed Bush for Katrina

I think the very fact that you claim you never blamed Bush for Katrina proves that you blame Bush for Katrina. In short: You have no chance to survive make your time.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:16 AM
Emposter: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

t1.gstatic.com


You guys love that stuff.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:34 AM
Phil Herup: He is sending S.W.A.T. though.... so he has that going for him

That's a different kind of SWAT, you moron.

The SWAT teams being sent are from the Mineral Management Agency, not from some local police force.
 
2010-05-01 10:59:40 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?


Give it up, he's been President for going on TWO years.

Leave the "buh..buh..buhs.." to this guy...
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2010-05-01 11:00:23 AM
Phil Herup: Emposter: Black man knocks on your door with a clipboard because he is canvasing, you call the cops and say "Help me there is a monkey on my porch!"

You guys love that stuff.


As usual, you've got nothing.
 
2010-05-01 11:01:42 AM
Emposter:
As usual, you've got nothing.


He has you responding to him.
 
2010-05-01 11:05:03 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: Emposter:
As usual, you've got nothing.

He has you responding to him.


I'm a sucker for arguing. Can't deny that.
 
2010-05-01 11:05:07 AM
Lenny_da_Hog: By the way, whose administration approved these leases and production plans without doing a complete risk analysis to determine if BP was telling the truth in its risk assessment and HSE planning??

Hmmm?


Thanks for pointing that out. It's important to know that Bush was bad and just overlook the piss poor federal response to the current crisis. Normally, I think you can hold different people responsible for the mistakes over which they actually had some role in, but since it's Bush we're talking about, I totally understand.
 
2010-05-01 11:07:41 AM
Nabb1: Thanks for pointing that out. It's important to know that Bush was bad and just overlook the piss poor federal response to the current crisis.

I first wrote this to another Farker, but it seems fitting here:

Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 11:07:41 AM
Emposter: As usual, you've got nothing.



Meh.. I have you simpletons pegged.

I know exactly what makes you tick.
 
2010-05-01 11:08:25 AM
Phil Herup: Meh.. I have you simpletons pegged.

I know exactly what makes you tick.


Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.

The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management. That's why companies like Halliburton were brought in after the first Gulf War to cap the Kuwaiti oil wells. That's also why oil services companies were on standby during the Iraq War.

So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.
 
2010-05-01 11:10:34 AM
eraser8: Still waiting for you -- or someone like you -- to explain exactly what Obama could have done that he hasn't done.



He should have had the Army down there at the bottom of the Gulf stopping it.


Yeah.. I said ARMY
 
2010-05-01 11:11:14 AM
eraser8: So what magic bullet do you think is in the government arsenal that Obama failed to use when he had the chance? Be specific.

The Bat Signal?
 
2010-05-01 11:12:42 AM
eraser8: The government just doesn't have much expertise when it comes to oil infrastructure management.



They are experts at deciding when you've "made enough money" though apparently.
 
2010-05-01 11:13:19 AM
Phil Herup: He should have had the Army down there at the bottom of the Gulf stopping it.

Um, how would that work?

How could the Army have stopped it?

Be specific.
 
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