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(Yahoo)   Democrats announce immigration plan with a National ID card that is not really a National ID card, we promise   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 160
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2010-04-30 12:17:40 PM  
We should have a national ID

Get rid of this state by state crap
 
2010-04-30 12:21:36 PM  
Roll it out in Arizona. I'm sure the reception will be nothing more than fully accepting.
 
2010-04-30 12:33:25 PM  
I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.
 
2010-04-30 12:33:40 PM  
These are presumably the same democrats that insisted the health reform bill was a "mandate" and not a "tax." Until last week when they started calling it a "tax" in a lame attempt to skirt a challenge in SCOTUS.

Yes, a national ID would be perfect. Then you only have to have one person penetrate the database to fark everyone at once.
 
2010-04-30 12:36:14 PM  
Ha, now you're concerned about having to carry around papers.
 
2010-04-30 12:46:26 PM  
Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

But you're cool with your debit and credit cards tracking all your movements? That, and since when do you not like the idea of "Papers, please?"

I'm fine with a national ID in that we should have national drivers licenses. That's something that should exist. We have all kinds of problems with state IDs not being recognizable in other states. You can make a fake ID for Wyoming and use it in Florida and odds are the person you're showing it to won't ever know it's fake. They won't know what a real one looks like. Having one ID format would solve that. Besides, we already have national IDs. What the hell do you think passports are?
 
2010-04-30 12:47:30 PM  
GAT_00: Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

But you're cool with your debit and credit cards tracking all your movements? That, and since when do you not like the idea of "Papers, please?"


I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

I don't see how that is in anyway unclear.
 
2010-04-30 12:50:39 PM  
Vindibudd: GAT_00: Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

But you're cool with your debit and credit cards tracking all your movements? That, and since when do you not like the idea of "Papers, please?"

I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

I don't see how that is in anyway unclear.


How would this track your movements?
 
2010-04-30 12:51:25 PM  
Barbigazi: How would this track your movements?

Magnets.
 
2010-04-30 12:53:00 PM  
sigdiamond2000: Barbigazi: How would this track your movements?

Magnets.


I'll bet the solution is tin foil.
 
2010-04-30 12:54:01 PM  
Vindibudd: GAT_00: Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

But you're cool with your debit and credit cards tracking all your movements? That, and since when do you not like the idea of "Papers, please?"

I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

I don't see how that is in anyway unclear.


Do you have a passport?
 
2010-04-30 01:01:17 PM  
Republican-led REAL ID Act under Bush: No problem. We must to what we can to stop terrorism and enhance border security.

Democratic-led National ID card proposed under Obama: KENYIN YOOSURPER!1!
 
2010-04-30 01:02:46 PM  
It's nothing but a modern Social Security card.
It doesn't have a GPS or listening device in it.
 
2010-04-30 01:03:13 PM  
The ID will contain an RFID tag and a magnetic strip which can hold your name and address. The card will also have memory much like a small flash drive which will store biometric data. So, the card will require a fingerprint an iris scan, etc. before it can be activated. When the card is used at banks, getting employment etc. the user will have his iris, finger print, iris, assprint, etc. scanned to verify that it matches the stored biometric data. This prevents someone from loaning their card to someone who looks familiar.

I'm guessing the iris scan will be the most common.

The planned system will be very similar to ID cards used in the US military.
 
2010-04-30 01:04:05 PM  
torch: Yes, a national ID would be perfect. Then you only have to have one person penetrate the database to fark everyone at once.

Where do you think your Social Security information is kept? I'd guess it's in a database somewhere.
 
2010-04-30 01:05:01 PM  
The ability to track someone with this card will be no more useful than tracking a persons credit card usage.
 
2010-04-30 01:06:57 PM  
Why the f*ck are people so conceited as to think that out of 300,000,000 citizens, the government cares about your particular whereabouts.
 
2010-04-30 01:10:56 PM  
Lost Thought 00: Why the f*ck are people so conceited as to think that out of 300,000,000 citizens, the government cares about your particular whereabouts.

"Mother Hen this is Eagle Eye...It looks like Lost Thought 00 has just entered Starbucks...yes...I've got confirmation of one grande skim no foam and a lemon bar".
 
2010-04-30 01:11:52 PM  
Lost Thought 00: Why the f*ck are people so conceited as to think that out of 300,000,000 citizens, the government cares about your particular whereabouts.

Because I'm special!
 
2010-04-30 01:13:40 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2010-04-30 01:14:10 PM  
I hate to crumple your tin foil hat but you are displaying an ip address right now and everybody knows where you are.
 
2010-04-30 01:14:48 PM  
National I.D. Card is watching you masturbate.
 
2010-04-30 01:17:27 PM  
FireBreathingLiberal: I hate to crumple your tin foil hat but you are displaying an ip address right now and everybody knows where you are.

And if you have EZ-Pass in your car they can already track your movements to some degree.
 
2010-04-30 01:17:43 PM  
This will make it easier for the Arizonans to check if someone is here legally.

Will I be required to have it with me at all times? If not, then I can't get worked up about it.
 
2010-04-30 01:22:59 PM  
EvilEgg: This will make it easier for the Arizonans to check if someone is here legally.

Will I be required to have it with me at all times? If not, then I can't get worked up about it.


From the article you'd only need it for employment.

That isn't going to stop anybody from going nuts with slippery slope arguments.
 
2010-04-30 01:29:39 PM  
Barbigazi: From the article you'd only need it for employment.

So, what happens when some bureaucratic flunky makes an error and suddenly your National ID is flagged as non-compliant?
 
2010-04-30 01:30:39 PM  
cmcnabb314: Barbigazi: From the article you'd only need it for employment.

So, what happens when some bureaucratic flunky makes an error and suddenly your National ID is flagged as non-compliant?


non-compliant with what?
 
2010-04-30 01:36:13 PM  
Barbigazi: non-compliant with what?

With whatever is in the central database. I can really see this happening..... Worker, heavily hung over, accidentally updates the wrong record so that the data on your card no longer matches what is in the repository. You go to gain useful employment and are unable to do so since your card does not match "the record".
 
2010-04-30 01:38:41 PM  
cmcnabb314: Barbigazi: non-compliant with what?

With whatever is in the central database. I can really see this happening..... Worker, heavily hung over, accidentally updates the wrong record so that the data on your card no longer matches what is in the repository. You go to gain useful employment and are unable to do so since your card does not match "the record".


www.smoothharold.com
 
2010-04-30 01:40:52 PM  
cmcnabb314: With whatever is in the central database. I can really see this happening..... Worker, heavily hung over, accidentally updates the wrong record so that the data on your card no longer matches what is in the repository. You go to gain useful employment and are unable to do so since your card does not match "the record".

What's more likely, that or identity theft?
 
2010-04-30 01:43:23 PM  
I like how Vinditard just flees when he realizes that he can't possibly change the subject enough to try to get out of the corner he's backed himself into.
 
2010-04-30 01:44:03 PM  
GAT_00: I like how Vinditard just flees when he realizes that he can't possibly change the subject enough to try to get out of the corner he's backed himself into.

He's over in a redlit thread pretending to know the mind of God.
 
2010-04-30 01:44:32 PM  
cmcnabb314: With whatever is in the central database. I can really see this happening..... Worker, heavily hung over, accidentally updates the wrong record so that the data on your card no longer matches what is in the repository. You go to gain useful employment and are unable to do so since your card does not match "the record".

Driver's licenses, military ID's, social security cards, medicare cards, passports...All that stuff is already computerized - why the sudden concern?
 
2010-04-30 01:46:39 PM  
GAT_00: Vindibudd: GAT_00: Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

But you're cool with your debit and credit cards tracking all your movements? That, and since when do you not like the idea of "Papers, please?"

I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.

I don't see how that is in anyway unclear.

Do you have a passport?


No actually I don't. And a passport only tracks you entering and leaving the country, not what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear. I am sure you see no difference in those two things whatsoever. amirite?
 
2010-04-30 01:47:18 PM  
sigdiamond2000: Republican-led REAL ID Act under Bush: No problem.

You seriously don't remember people being against that? Wow.
 
2010-04-30 01:49:18 PM  
jerry2a: Driver's licenses, military ID's, social security cards, medicare cards, passports...All that stuff is already computerized - why the sudden concern?

That's kind of a good point, and why this has not happened yet. There's not enough justification or will in Congress to consolidate or duplicate.
 
2010-04-30 01:52:21 PM  
Vindibudd:
Do you have a passport?

No actually I don't. And a passport only tracks you entering and leaving the country, not what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear. I am sure you see no difference in those two things whatsoever. amirite?


Did you fill out the Census?
 
2010-04-30 01:56:13 PM  
Not a fan of a national ID card. I hope it gets dropped.
 
2010-04-30 01:56:39 PM  
Vindibudd: No actually I don't. And a passport only tracks you entering and leaving the country, not what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear. I am sure you see no difference in those two things whatsoever. amirite?

The ID card would only be used for employment... Who is talking about using it to track what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear?
 
2010-04-30 01:56:49 PM  
lunchinlewis: That's kind of a good point, and why this has not happened yet. There's not enough justification or will in Congress to consolidate or duplicate.

I want ONE card for everything...I get a new bank account, the bank would be able to link my info to that single card. As long as there's some kind of biometric security I'm fine with it. Every year I get older my wallet gets fatter - and not from cash...Today if I lose my wallet I have to contact a dozen different companies/agencies - with one card it would theoretically be possible to have ALL of my accounts frozen at once. Yeah, there's a zillion reasons why this could be a bad idea, but I'd love just carry ONE card. It would definitely suck if you lost it :)
 
2010-04-30 01:57:04 PM  
GAT_00: I like how Vinditard just flees when he realizes that he can't possibly change the subject enough to try to get out of the corner he's backed himself into.

I'm not glued to the screen here. But nice try anyway.
 
2010-04-30 02:00:00 PM  
I Said: Not a fan of a national ID card. I hope it gets dropped.

It gets dropped every time it comes up.
 
2010-04-30 02:00:38 PM  
Lost Thought 00: Vindibudd:
Do you have a passport?

No actually I don't. And a passport only tracks you entering and leaving the country, not what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear. I am sure you see no difference in those two things whatsoever. amirite?

Did you fill out the Census?


What has the census to do with a National ID card?
 
2010-04-30 02:00:43 PM  
Vindibudd: I'd prefer not having a government issued card tracking all my movements, thank you very much.


www.fbi.gov

/kinda dig the source too
 
2010-04-30 02:03:28 PM  
Vindibudd: GAT_00: I like how Vinditard just flees when he realizes that he can't possibly change the subject enough to try to get out of the corner he's backed himself into.

I'm not glued to the screen here. But nice try anyway.


Actually, you were posting elsewhere, so yeah you are.

Ryan2065: Vindibudd: No actually I don't. And a passport only tracks you entering and leaving the country, not what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear. I am sure you see no difference in those two things whatsoever. amirite?

The ID card would only be used for employment... Who is talking about using it to track what you bought for breakfast or where you bought your underwear?


Didn't you know? Anything the government might do will immediately be abused to the full extent of imagination, except when Arizona passes a law about checking immigrants, which will never, ever be abused.
 
2010-04-30 02:03:58 PM  
sigdiamond2000: Barbigazi: How would this track your movements?

Magnets.


How do they work?
 
2010-04-30 02:04:54 PM  
House of Tards: sigdiamond2000: Barbigazi: How would this track your movements?

Magnets.

How do they work?


Black Obama Magic
 
2010-04-30 02:06:23 PM  
Vindibudd: What has the census to do with a National ID card?

Did you forget to trump how the Census is going to keep track of you, even though the information can't be released for, what, 70 years?

Also, you know your passport can already be tracked with that little RFID chip in there, right? The states can put tracking devices in their drivers licenses? How is another federal ID going to track everyone and just how little effort do you think is needed to track the whereabouts of every single person in America?
 
2010-04-30 02:10:30 PM  
jbuist: sigdiamond2000: Republican-led REAL ID Act under Bush: No problem.

You seriously don't remember people being against that? Wow.


Yeah, the small government conservative standard bearers really fought tooth and nail against REAL ID.

Does the phrase "for terrorists, travel documents are as important as weapons" ring a bell?
 
2010-04-30 02:11:30 PM  
GAT_00: Vindibudd: What has the census to do with a National ID card?

Did you forget to trump how the Census is going to keep track of you, even though the information can't be released for, what, 70 years?

Also, you know your passport can already be tracked with that little RFID chip in there, right? The states can put tracking devices in their drivers licenses? How is another federal ID going to track everyone and just how little effort do you think is needed to track the whereabouts of every single person in America?



Well if all that's true then why do we need a National ID card?

I guess we don't.
 
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