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2003-05-10 09:20:54 PM
Should be an honorary degree for making the same album fifteen years running. The 'AC/DC' Award
 
ACF
2003-05-10 10:38:07 PM
Wow. What instrument does he play? He knows music theory? Or is this just more proof that any farking idiot can get a degree from Berklee?
 
2003-05-10 11:04:00 PM
Not to be confused with Berkeley, apparently.
 
2003-05-10 11:25:08 PM
ACF: he was actually the drummer in the early days before he became the lead singer.
 
2003-05-11 12:25:25 AM
Is this cause he couldn't get a Berklee degree on his own?

His work with Aerosmith seems to imply that point.
 
2003-05-11 12:28:54 AM
 
2003-05-11 12:29:36 AM
Ack. That was supposed to be an img src.

 
2003-05-11 01:44:46 AM
Yeah, ACF, yer the real musician. He's just a poseur gazillionaire with millions of fans and a daughter with great DSL. But you know music theory. Yer de man!
 
2003-05-11 02:51:00 AM
His daughter has DSL? I must be thinking of something else. DSL?
 
2003-05-11 02:52:54 AM
"Going down, Dr. Tyler?"

/couldn't find the real screenshot. This seemed funnier. I'm drunk.

 
2003-05-11 02:54:00 AM
RandomBob - Dick Sucking Lips.

You're welcome.
 
2003-05-11 02:55:13 AM
Should be an honorary degree for making the same album fifteen years running. The 'AC/DC' Award

Norad wins.

Although I'd call it the Lenny Kravitz award: Making the Same Album 15 Years Running Although Led Zep and The Beatles Already Made the Same Album In the First Place Which You, Mr. "I Get To Bang Hot Chicks" Kravitz, Merely Emulate" award.


And no, Phrenile, it isn't to be confused with Berkeley. That's in California, as you know. The Berklee school is in Boston.
 
2003-05-11 02:55:20 AM
How come Tom Hamilton didn't get a doctorate too? He's been in the band just as long, and he actually had to learn to play an instrument....

Berklee.... yuck, freakin' popularity contest.
 
2003-05-11 02:55:53 AM
Good for him. Mr. Tallarico is a good man.
 
2003-05-11 02:59:56 AM
Tyler recalled telling his mother when he was four years old that he wanted to be a musician when he grew up. His mother told him he couldn't do both.

i dont get it. i guess i should get some sleep or something.
 
2003-05-11 03:02:07 AM
Hmmm...that's interesting. This article doesn't show up if I just go to the main page of Fark...I have to refresh to pull this article up. Any reasons why? Is this a Total Fark article that somehow slipped through the cracks?
 
2003-05-11 03:06:45 AM
[i]UnknownCactus[/i]: Musicians are perpetual children.
 
2003-05-11 03:17:50 AM
I hate Berklee kids. Act like they own the joint.
 
2003-05-11 03:20:38 AM
And before some illiterate idiot throws a fit...


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2003-05-11 03:20:57 AM
Applauds for ACF. Well done, then again this is an "honorary" degree. Hell, Regis Philbin got an honorary degree from Notre Dame so I'm not really impressed.

I agree though, the term "musician" is applied to way too many wannabes.

And if you think the amount of money or fans a guy has determines whether or not someone is a true musician or artist is like determining the best brain surgeon by how many operations done per year, or which one's the cutest.

There's a hell of a lot more to music than picking up a guitar and putting it with vocals.

/music_nazi
 
2003-05-11 03:31:10 AM
The Doctor is in.

 
2003-05-11 03:31:12 AM
Now I have hope!! I always thought that it took talent and hard work to get a doctorate. Thank god that myth got dispelled. If being in a garage band qualifies a person for a high degree from one of the most prestigious art schools in the nation,well, all I can say is:WOOHOO!
Wanna come up and see my etchings?
 
2003-05-11 03:38:48 AM
"paved with lines of coke" should have been used in the article
 
2003-05-11 03:39:04 AM
Dude looks like a lady !


 
2003-05-11 03:43:16 AM
I read that headline really fast and I thought it read:
"Steven Tyler awarded doctorate degree in bukkake."




No, the internet told me that happened to Rod Stewart / Jordan Knight / Em / Madonna / Snoop / some cheerleader at my cousin's school / Jerry Garcia / Starland Vocal Band / 10cc / The Lovin' Spoonful

/last two are funny for obvious reasons
 
2003-05-11 03:47:54 AM
Dear lord. That is the spitting image of my old high school principal at my graduation ceremony. And she was definately not Steven Tyler. For one, she has a horrible voice, and she never shuts her mouth. Wait a minute...
 
2003-05-11 03:48:44 AM
I have a friend who graduated from Berklee. He composes songs for marching bands.
 
2003-05-11 03:59:51 AM
I have an enemy who graduated from Berklee. I hate him.
 
2003-05-11 04:03:14 AM
Maybe it's the same guy? o_0
 
2003-05-11 04:06:34 AM
Unlikely, unless he's a lisping, 6'5" pretentious programmer-wannabe...
 
2003-05-11 04:07:10 AM
RandomBob - Dick Sucking Lips.

You're welcome.


 
2003-05-11 04:13:33 AM
ya mel gibson got his saturday at loyola marymount in la
 
2003-05-11 04:19:13 AM
I'm 43...... When I was 14 Aerosmith was way happening. Cameros were cool, you could smoke pot in the theaters, it was still ok to be a hippy. No matter how loose and relaxed the times were back then, a degree from Berklee still meant that you could read sheet music. Course, I can't get too wadded up about this simply because of Liv Tyler..... That's the silver lining to this story!
 
2003-05-11 04:29:07 AM
Randall: If you were Steven Tyler and could have sex with any woman in the world, who would you pick?

Dante: Kaitlyn.

Randall: Really?

Dante: (sigh) Yeah...

Randall: You wanna know who I'd choose? I'd have sex with Liv Tyler.
 
2003-05-11 04:46:57 AM
Whoa, look at all the fancy-nancy pretentious music blowhards in this thread. How presumptuous you all are of this man's productive achievement versus his popularity when I can bet you hardly know a thing about him or his musicianship.

Steven Tyler and Joe Perry are the chief songwriters of Aerosmith. There's only one other band I can think of that has lasted longer in the spotlight, and that's the Rolling Stones. That's some 35-40 years of writing hit music. That MUST mean he's doing something right. Say whatever you want about his musical aptitude, you can't deny he has practically an unconscious ability to write a good hook and a good lyric, and those of you who delve into books and theory at Julliard or Berklee or wherever the hell it is where they think mode and scale are important would kill to have that kind of gift and knack for songcraft.

The fact that he's from Boston might also have something to do with it. But I'm sure he's being honoured for being one of the most successful songwriters of the last half century.
 
2003-05-11 04:54:22 AM
you forgot the Bee-Gees
 
2003-05-11 04:59:08 AM
Lets hope singing lessons came with that doctorate.
 
2003-05-11 05:10:09 AM
they are good...you are bad..the end
 
2003-05-11 05:29:36 AM
Imagine that -- stupid colleges giving out honorary degrees just to get famous people to show up.

You know, Mike Tyson is a doctor. Got an honorary degree from Central State University in Ohio. "Doctorate in Himane Letters."

I guess I'll submit that one and see if it gets in :)
 
2003-05-11 05:52:19 AM
err, Humane Letters.
 
2003-05-11 06:37:51 AM
Hey... You guys ever see that one Aerosmith video with ... uh ... those chicks? They were hot. No clue what the song was.
 
2003-05-11 06:46:05 AM
I wanna go to Berkeley :/

Not Berklee...
 
2003-05-11 06:46:40 AM
And who else hates that damn "Purple Throbber" ad? I really hope they go out of business- soon.
 
2003-05-11 07:01:42 AM
I agree Ishkur, he is a good song writer and is good at what he does. if they were a one hit wonder of yesterday there's no way they would be around this long. love them or hate them.. they have influence music for many years.

But I would still like to know how big Steven Tyler's mouth would get if he smashed his finger with a hammer!
 
2003-05-11 07:56:52 AM
Cool, And yesterday i just scored tickets to see them w/Kiss in August! Goin' to see the Dr.
 
2003-05-11 08:02:31 AM
Yeah, ACF, yer the real musician. He's just a poseur gazillionaire with millions of fans and a daughter with great DSL. But you know music theory. Yer de man!

Thing is, he's right though. That's what a music degree is about, not selling albums. He deserves a degree in music as much as he deserves a degree in astronomy; what he does has about as much to do with either. And if you think that selling a lot of albums and making a lot of money makes you a good musician, you're high.

I'm not saying that he's not a good musician, mind you, I'm just saying that the kind of thing he does has little to nothing to do with what goes on in a music school. I've been in a lot of bands, write a lot of songs, etc., and I think I'm reasonably good at it. Do I deserve a degree in music? Hell no! I have friends who've gotten master's degrees in music, and I've seen what they do and what they go through. It is nothing at all like the way rock and roll musicians do music, and it's an awful lot of work to trivialize it by giving out degrees to people who haven't done the work and don't understand it.

I'm not being a music snob or anything, some of my favorite bands write two chord noisy music. I even like some older Aerosmith. I'm just saying that he deserves a degree in music like I deserve a degree in...well, music. Actually, I feel that way about pretty much all honorary degrees.
 
2003-05-11 08:03:08 AM
how sad for Berklee.
 
2003-05-11 08:13:51 AM
Norad

Should be an honorary degree for making the same album fifteen years running. The 'AC/DC' Award


Norad, that's a dirty damn lie! They've been making the same album for at least two decades!
 
2003-05-11 08:27:32 AM
deserves asinine tag...
 
2003-05-11 08:33:52 AM
I saw Joe Perry at a carnival once.
Dude looks like a lady.
 
2003-05-11 08:57:34 AM
Is he a musician? Of course! People who are "experts" in music theory end up studio musicians or writing drivel like John Tesh. Music is a means of communication, and Steve Tyler's music has always communicated the intended emotion perfectly. Screw the snobbery, the proof is in the pudding! By the way, I believe he is also a pianist.
Any hack can write a one hit wonder pop jingle, or a country jingoist anthem, and any "seriously trained musician" can write a classical knock-off that ends up on a meditation CD, but to produce platinum albums consistantly since 1970 speaks volumes. Perhaps the other Berklee grads should all have to wait 30 years and prove themselves before they get their doctorate.
 
2003-05-11 08:58:40 AM
He deserves an honorary doctorate for spawning Liv Tyler.
 
2003-05-11 09:05:47 AM
I just got an honorary doctorate from Stanferd.
 
2003-05-11 09:09:39 AM
Steven Tyler isn't the first one with a doctorate from berklee, someone who deserves it a hell of a lot more got one first. Dr. Steve Vai
story is at the bottom of the page.
 
2003-05-11 09:10:35 AM
His facial image in the "got milk" ad campaign was put on a billboard and the sight of those 3 feet thick lips with curdling milk pasted around the edges drawn around transvestite-like features stands out as one of the most revolting sights you're ever likely to encounter.
 
2003-05-11 09:41:43 AM

Being someone who's heading off to Berklee next year, I'd say that you guys who want to complain (because you have nothing better to do with your lives) actually see what Berklee is about before ripping on it. It's one of the nation's best music schools which has put out its fare share of famous (and more importantly) talented people. Being one of the only schools in America to have a full-blown Music Production and Engineering programs (my field), you should be thankful to have it around, Without it's graduates, you wouldn't have half of those cds (or mp3's).


As far as the music theory goes, that is probably one of the smallest parts to being a musician. You can be technically proficient at reading music, doing Roman numeral analysis, dictation and composition, and still be a shiatty musician. Berklee honors those who have had sucsess in the music industry because it recognises how truly difficult it is to achieve any fame in. Artists such as Steven Tyler, Sting, or Billy Joel could be found every now and then at Berklee who have dropped by to teach an improptu class on songwriting, or to give a spur of the moment concert.


Like him or not, Steven Tyler has had a lot of sucsess in the industry, and he's been doing it for a while. I'd be glad to shake his hand after the ceremony. Berklee rules. I'm out.

 
2003-05-11 10:00:39 AM
Mmmm... Berklee.
 
2003-05-11 10:02:09 AM
I find that honorary doctorate degree in music very apropriately given because, just like aerosmith's music from the past 10 years, he (and the rest of the band) contributed nothing to it.

You know, the "hits" he has been spewing are created by "producers" and the band just plays them.
 
2003-05-11 10:08:08 AM
you guys dont know shiat about berlee. HAH
 
2003-05-11 10:10:22 AM
Just to clear this up, Steven Tyler plays drums and piano very well. And the role of a producer is to craft a song into a final product, not to write songs. A producer can't do jack crap to make a song better if the song sucks in the first place. For instance: Avril Lavigne. The cd is produced really well (and engineered) but the songs are really bad. (I hope I have no arguments on that)
 
2003-05-11 10:10:45 AM
PootieTang: Dammit, you took my comment: Deserves a Ph.D. in biology (cell-bio track) for creating an eminently hittable daughter.
 
2003-05-11 11:15:58 AM
Stephen Tyler attended the Berklee College of Music in Boston.

By the way - Quincy Jones, Melissa Etheridge, Branford Marsalis, Kevin Eubanks, Paula Cole, Donald Fagen - ALL graduated from Berklee. That's just a few of the school's famous alumni. They don't accept just anyone. It's a hard school to get into. I have friends who went there and they have all been able to make music their career somehow. That's saying a lot because the music industry is incredibly difficult to break into.
 
2003-05-11 11:47:32 AM
Being someone who GOES to Berklee, let me just say that a degree from Berklee is useless.
Is going to Berklee useless? Not at all. If you want to do music for a living, and you put the time and effort into the classes, as well as going to teachers during their office hours an hitting up the library, Berklee is THE best place for you to go. However, a good part of the school doesn't do that, and you end up dealing with a bunch of smelly hippies who'd sooner smoke pot and go protest something than do their work. A degree is meaningless, because it's how well you can do your work when you get out of there that counts. Your grades don't matter nearly as much as your skills.
Plenty of people at Berklee suck. They're usually guitar players (or guitar owners, as my friends like to call them) or vocalists, and if you go to Berklee, you pretty much have to accept that you're going to deal with a bunch of wannabe hacks who have very little talent and will never go anywhere in life. If you actually have the motivation, you wont be seeing them in a year or two after they drop out and you keep going.

Berklee is, without a doubt, the best school that exists for contemporary music, whether it's jazz, rock, and pop, or technology like music production & engineering and music synthesis. Anyone who trashes the school either doesn't know what they're talking about, or just couldn't make it there themselves.

Now, to get back on topic, this guy got an honorary doctorate in music. He can't perform surgery. He's had a huge influence on the music industry, and whether you like the music or not, he knows what he's doing. If this were Harvard or Tufts giving him a doctorate in medicine, it'd be pretty farking stupid, but he's a musician getting a music degree. What's the big problem?
 
2003-05-11 11:58:57 AM
I was accepted to Berklee back when Steve Vais was teaching guitar lessons there. I don't remember why I changed my mind about going, but sometimes I wish I had gone.

Oh and I'm one of those people SymphonyXtasy is talking about. :-)
 
2003-05-11 12:14:07 PM
Tyler is a MUSICIAN because he's written MUSIC that a LOT of people LIKE.

As opposed to bs "compositions" that "utilize" serialism, atonality and dissonance in a funny time signature.

Here's the deal: Tyler's voice is immediately identifyable. Songs he's come up with are very well known and have sold millions. THAT IS BEING A MUSICIAN.

If you have to go to a school to be a musician you probably shouldn't be one in the first place. Not only that, but you don't have to go to school to learn what you learn IN said school.

BTW, Tyler plays a bunch of instruments, knows theory, comes from a musical family... His grandmother has taught early classical piano for a long time, he's been singing since he was 4. The problem HERE is that there's jealous wanna be people who KNOW he's the real deal and secretely realize they'll never be able to compensate no matter how hard they study at Berklee or where ever.

Learning about chisels doesn't make you a sculptor.
 
2003-05-11 12:21:27 PM
I don't think he's a bad musician or anything, but what's up with honorary degrees? You didn't do the work to get the degree. I have a college degree, b/c I put forth the effort to take classes, etc., not b/c I did something great. Classes are the means to the end of a degree, and there shouldn't be a bypass road.

/rant
 
2003-05-11 12:23:19 PM
Damn- I just spent an hour taking out his head and adding some jarret style blood, but i cant upload due to off-campusness. It's the best photoshop you'll never see.
 
2003-05-11 12:32:09 PM
Madlib style threadjack:

Tyler is a MUSICIAN because he's written MUSIC that a LOT of idiots LIKE.

As opposed to bs "songs" that "utilize" lyrics, beats and melody in a recognizable time signature.

Here's the deal: Tyler's voice is annoyingly identifyable. Songs he's come up with are very well known and have sold millions. THAT IS BEING A POP CULTURE WHORE.

If you have to go to a school to be a musician you probably know more about music than Steven Tyler ever will. Not only that, but you have to go to school to learn what you learn IN said school.

BTW, Tyler doea a bunch of coke, knows models, comes from a family... His grandmother has baked cookies for a long time, he's been singing in the shower since he was 4. The problem HERE is that there's stupid wanna be people who KNOW he's a no talent hack and secretely realize they'll never be able to stand his "music" no matter how hard they study at Berklee or whereever.

Being a sculptor doesn't mean you've learned about chisels.
 
2003-05-11 12:44:16 PM
...to produce platinum albums consistantly since 1970 speaks volumes...

I'm not so sure I agree with that. Popular does not imply good. But I don't know enough about Aerosmith's music to say much intelligent, except for this one thing: I didn't learn how to make real musicoontil I dropped out of music school.

As far as giving him a doctorate, let me ask you this: who would you rather have teaching your graduate level "History of Pop Music 1950-present" class, him or somebody who did all the classwork and earned a doctorate in music history?
 
2003-05-11 12:47:50 PM
I bet his mother is proud of him now!
 
2003-05-11 01:10:26 PM
berklee is all about the $$$ at whatever cost. lee berk knows, a small school where you learn jazz, earn a degree thats utterly useless (try transferring berklee credits to another school...theyre like "Monopoly" credits) and go out in the world to be a busboy the rest of your life is not going to look at all palatable to the parents who are footing the cash. so hes always trying to push the whole "look mom and dad, your kid might make money, even if he sucks like this steven tyler guy!". he did it the whole time i was there.

and yes I went there 90-92 so sheeat up. the funniest part is when they send me credit card offers now, to "handle my huge debt"...like they planned it all along or something.
 
2003-05-11 01:18:31 PM
i just lost all the respect i had for Berklee.. Steven Tyler hasn't even done a decent song in like.. 25 years.. and he doesn't even play any instrument well.. but sure.. give him an honorary degree from Berklee because he does something the school doesn't even offer..
 
2003-05-11 01:18:56 PM
Alrighty. Let's get some things settled here. Steven Tyler is both a composer AND a musician. Most students of music can do one or the other, but not both. Ask that vocal major to sing something he wrote himself, and you'll probably get a look of disgust. The fact that he can both write and sing makes him a well rounded musician right there, and definitely puts him in a different league already.

Steven Tyler has also pioneered a genre of music for better or for worse. This is something VERY few people can say that they've done. And few performing artists today can say that they were NOT influenced by them.

Now that all said, him getting a doctorate in music is like Eminem getting a doctorate in poetry. Both have done legitimate work, but is it worthy of a doctorate? I'd say have them perform the final requirements of what it takes to get doctorate (doctoral thesis?)
 
2003-05-11 01:19:33 PM
You should know going into the school that it's a gamble. Have a fallback career in case it doesn't work out. I agree that Lee Berk is greedy, and not enough money going into the school goes to where it should, but it's not his fault you didn't plan for it not working out. Does someone who planned on being a comp sci major who is SOL now blame their school for the job market?
 
2003-05-11 01:25:46 PM
Tyler recalled telling his mother when he was four years old that he wanted to be a musician when he grew up. His mother told him he couldn't do both.

Did I miss something here? He couldn't grow up and be a musician? Huh? Is that where the "both" comes into play?
 
2003-05-11 01:32:28 PM
Sthayashi: I'm curious, what genre did Mr. Tyler and crew pioneer? Is "For better or for worse" a genre? Power ballads? Cliche assembly?

I like Aerosmith and all but what ground was broken by them?
 
2003-05-11 01:51:37 PM
SherKhan - Hard/Classic Rock. Even Arena Rock. The use of distorted guitars in a band. I know that they consider Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath and maybe The Doors to be an influence on their music. At the same time though, both of those bands aren't THAT much older than Aerosmith.

I think about 60% of the 80's hair bands can point to Aerosmith as an influence.
 
2003-05-11 01:56:04 PM
Wait a second:

If the article is about Steven Tyler, why is the photo of Carly Simon?
 
2003-05-11 01:59:34 PM
Sthayashi: Distortion on guitars predates Aerosmith by roughly ten years (the Kinks were doing it in the early-mid 60s, the Beatles and Yardbirds sure as hell were as well). Tyler and Perry wrote some good singles, but haven't done anything new in ten years, and yet get propped up by the record label and MTV as a huge deal for...um...not dying in obscurity before Run DMC resurrected their career by covering "Walk This Way".

Aerosmith are a perfect illustration of the Law of Averages...

First-rate guitarist + third-rate singer = second-rate arena rock.
 
2003-05-11 02:00:48 PM
"I think about 60% of the 80's hair bands can point to Aerosmith as an influence."

I'll forgive them for that. Someday. Maybe. :-)

RE: My cliche comment. Examine their lyrics and count the cliches either slightly reworked or taken straight. Not a criticism really, just an observation.
 
2003-05-11 02:07:46 PM
When Is Steve Albini or D. Boone getting their doctorates (one posthumously)?

Oh, that's right, their music doesn't appeal to morons who think power ballads about love are as good (and deep) as it gets.

Their music didn't didn't suck , was actually revolutionary for its time and it wouldn't be a publicity stunt to give it to them.
 
2003-05-11 02:08:32 PM
ACF - on a documentary i saw him playin playin harmonica while the guitar guy was playin a resonater guitar
 
2003-05-11 02:16:53 PM

05-11-03 04:29:07 AM Diabolik

Randall: If you were Steven Tyler and could have sex with any woman in the world, who would you pick?

Dante: Kaitlyn.

Randall: Really?

Dante: (sigh) Yeah...

Randall: You wanna know who I'd choose? I'd have sex with Liv Tyler.


One can't help but wonder if that isn't how Kevin Smith would have scripted it if Liv weren't still a nobody back in 1994.

Sthayashi

Comparing Steve Tyler to Eminem is like comparing a Volvo or Mercedes to a Kia.
 
2003-05-11 02:44:33 PM
Terribly misleading headline....

For some reason I thought we had another idiot poster who couldn't spell Berkeley...but I would give an foreign farker the benefit of the doubt.

So now this falls into a the pile of shiat labeled "Who Cares".
 
2003-05-11 02:53:34 PM
I'm not a big Aerosmith fan, but I have to commend them on their marketing ability. Yeah, it was horrifying to hear Steven Tyler sing part of an *NSYNC song a couple of years ago at the Super Bowl, but how many of their contemporaries still have a career, much less a career that lets them sell out concerts and have platinum records and a ride at Disney World named after them? They put themselves EVERYWHERE.

And I guess no one's seeing the Boston connection here, even though Steven Tyler's from New York.
 
2003-05-11 03:00:07 PM
-too bad he is a major sellout.

you know...the whole 'run dmc' thing.

-thanks for doing your part....jerk.
 
2003-05-11 03:21:44 PM
Ugh, it's hard to argue for Aerosmith when you have Queen songs stuck in your head. But here we go.

Stopheles - If you want to get technical, I'm sure distorted guitars were discovered by Les Paul, when he was trying to electrify the guitar. But I have a hard time classifying a songs like Sweet Emotion and Walk this Way, which are upbeat and distorted. Also, one doesn't have to invent it to pioneer it, because they helped to make it big (at some point).

KimVette - Probably. I need a good comparison to draw the appropriateness of Tyler getting a doctorate.

SockMonkeyHolocaust - Pardon this flame-inducing question, but who? On that note, I would love to see John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy get at least an honorary Bachelor degree from Berklee.
 
2003-05-11 03:35:48 PM
b>Sthayashi/b>: I think that it can safely be said that distorted guitar was "big" before Aerosmith came around...have you heard of Jimi Hendrix? He was quite popular in his day.
 
2003-05-11 03:54:25 PM
Stopheles - I'll concede that point. But if you can describe their style and tell me that they had nothing to do with making that style big, then I'll concede that they weren't pioneers
 
2003-05-11 04:04:45 PM
Pink Floyd also used guitars heavily as early as 1965 when they were still known as the "The Architectural
Abdabs," "Cultural Abdabs," and "The Meggadeaths." Ever hear "Interstellar Overdrive" or "Corporal Clegg" or "Point me at the Sky?" - These were songs that were big hits in London and were decent sellers here on this side of the pond as well (not chartbusters by any means thogh) back when Steve Tyler and Tom Hamilton were just kids helping Moulty (from The Barbarians) lug his drumset and other gear from club to club for $5 to $10 a night, hoping that hanging out to Moulty might put them in touch with someone who would "discover" them. This was YEARS before they ever got a gig, let alone come up with the name Aerosmith.
 
2003-05-11 04:05:30 PM
er, let me correct that
Pink Floyd also used distorted guitars
 
2003-05-11 04:14:15 PM
Sthayashi
I'm sure distorted guitars were discovered by Les Paul, when he was trying to electrify the guitar.

Les Paul didn't electrify the guitar. Les Paul worked on _solid body_ electrics starting in the 30s.

Loar worked on electric pickups in hollow body guitars in the 20s at Gibson.
 
2003-05-11 04:15:26 PM
"... true also that the author (Lester Bangs) stared at a picture of (Steven) Tyler on an office wall for three months before he realised it wasn't either Carly Simon or Mick Jagger ..."

- from the essay HEAVY METAL by Lester Bangs, printed in
The Rolling Stone Illustrated History Of Rock & Roll
 
2003-05-11 04:28:51 PM
Distortion goes back to the 1950s (overdriven amps). At some point people started hacking up the speakers, I think around 1960. IIRC, it was blues guitarists who popularized distortion.
 
2003-05-11 04:36:21 PM
-sthayashi:

"SockMonkeyHolocaust - Pardon this flame-inducing question, but who? On that note, I would love to see John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy get at least an honorary Bachelor degree from Berklee."

-at least before stephen farking tyler...that's for sure.
 
2003-05-11 04:42:13 PM
KimVette
Pink Floyd also used guitars heavily as early as 1965 when they were still known as the "The Architectural
Abdabs," "Cultural Abdabs," and "The Meggadeaths."


Yeah, but Syd didn't join until 1967. Were they really Pink Floyd before then ;-)? I can't remember the name of their first single.
 
2003-05-11 04:46:03 PM
Their first label-released single was Arnold Layne, I think.
 
2003-05-11 04:46:51 PM
Oh, and Led Zeppelin also used distortion quite heavily on their self-titled debut album in 1969 - again, a few years before Tyler really got his band going as it exists today.
 
2003-05-11 04:53:20 PM
Nothing comes to mind when I think of Aerosmith innovations. Aerosmith doesn't come to mind when I think of important bands at all. Maybe it'd be different if I grew up in the 70s or had really really bad taste.
 
2003-05-11 05:14:42 PM

05-10-03 09:20:54 PM Norad

Should be an honorary degree for making the same album fifteen years running. The 'AC/DC' Award


Funny, I'd call it the 'Ozzy' award. ;)
 
2003-05-11 05:30:09 PM
ArnoldLayne - It's not clear when you grew up, but for me growing up in the 80s, Aerosmith's influence was easily heard in many many songs.

Of course, many 80's bands are dead now, but still, Aerosmith had influence nonetheless.

Guns 'n' Roses can point an influence. Motley Crue openly admitted to being inspired by them.
 
2003-05-11 05:34:44 PM
Sthayashi

I'm 28. I vaguely remember a lot of bad synthesizer pop. Damn you Aerosmith for destroying music!! Seriously though, I'm sure they influenced other hard rock bands.
 
2003-05-11 06:04:55 PM
...but how many of their contemporaries have...a ride at Disney World named after them?

Well, Aerosmith was actually the second choice for that ride. The Rolling Stones were initially approached but wanted something to the tune of $7-10 million per year to license their likenesses and "excerpts" of their songs. So Disney decided to approach "second-tier" rock groups, groups with name-recognition yet not "as known" and snagged Aerosmith for about 1/10 the price.
 
2003-05-11 06:06:21 PM
Oops. Forgot to close the tag. Mi malo, homie!
 
2003-05-11 06:50:37 PM
Tyler recalled telling his mother when he was four years old that he wanted to be a musician when he grew up. His mother told him he couldn't do both.

My cousin graduated from Berklee yesterday, and I was there. And for those of you that don't understand this statement, it was a joke that Steven made during his speech. One of many. It was kinda funny, people laughed.

I'll tell you this, over 200 people had "Majors in Professional Music." That seemed like a worthless degree to me, especially since I had to sit through it for over 30minutes while Lee Berk read off the names. And it was the last group of majors announced, and he put these long farking pauses in between the last 10 people. He's such a dick. He can't read speeches for shiat either.
 
2003-05-11 07:24:42 PM
Vox Populi is NOT a good judge of talent. Think Red Guards. The cult of Kim Sung Il and Chairman Mao.

Give Tyler a honorary doctorate in farking marketing.
 
2003-05-11 07:56:17 PM
Dude looks like Joan Rivers.
 
2003-05-11 08:09:43 PM
For anyone who doubts that Steven Tyler is a damn good musician and composer, I urge you to listen to the song "Seasons of Wither" from the album Get Your Wings, IMHO one of the most beautiful rock songs ever recorded. I'll be the first to argue however, that Aerosmith hasn't made a decent record in years. Their last album was abysmal. But back in the day, they were one of the best bands in the world. It's too bad they've become a cliche now.
 
2003-05-11 10:01:44 PM
Funny, you can get a job based on "such-and-such a degree or equivalent experience." In the real world, experience is equivalent to book-learning. Doing a good job is even better than book-learning. A kid with a doctorate who can't do the job is useless, whereas some self-taught shmo off the street who can knock 'em dead at work is invaluable.

Explain the value of degrees to folks like Einstein, and Edison. Don't get me wrong, I'm not equating Tyler with Einstein (I'm not even much of a fan). But accomplishments in the real world are worth as much as, if not more than, any piece of paper that says you successfully sat through series of courses.
 
2003-05-11 10:12:38 PM
Down-Crier:

I'll take surgeons, doctors, and lawyers with degrees, thank you. You can have the self-taught ones.
 
2003-05-11 11:22:39 PM
Who says Steven Tyler doesn't play an instrument well?

He's a pianist, he plays the hell outta the harmonica, he also plays the Mandolin, the drums, guitar, and electric bass to name a few
 
2003-05-11 11:44:19 PM
Hey, RubensHakkamacher:

"Songs he's come up with are very well known and have sold millions. THAT IS BEING A MUSICIAN."

No, that's being a good businessman. Don't get me wrong- I think Aerosmith is a good, tight band of MUSICIANS, but there are plenty of talented musicians out there who aren't selling millions. That doesn't mean they are lesser musicians.

"If you have to go to a school to be a musician you probably shouldn't be one in the first place."

It depends on what kind of a musician you want to be. For those on a serious jazz or classical track, a music school is often the only (and/or most logical) place to get access to the teachers and courses they need.

/Graduating (Master's degree) from Eastman next Sunday, wheeeeeeeee!
 
2003-05-12 02:22:27 AM
A) I though Lee was outta there?

b) Dizzy Gillespie got an honorary doctorate when I graduated. He pronounced my name wrong.

C) Not long after, he died.

d) Berklee haters are stinky poo and ought to go cry to mama.
 
2003-05-12 03:34:43 AM
Saxchick: why do you like to beat seal pups? Oh that's right, you didn't say that, just like I didn't say anything about talented musicians not selling millions being lesser musicians.

"Serious" classical - true, I don't see anyone in the 21st century being motivated to become a good enough classical musician to make it professionally. On the other hand, there's no reason they couldn't if they were motivated to do so. "Serious" jazz? Do I need to write a list of great jazz musicians that never went to school?

Some people get a lot out of going to a music school or being a music major, but they're usually people that had talent to begin with and were motivated. Most students are self-righteous hacks that spend their time talking about music theory more than actually playing music.

"Music" is subjective. A lot of people like the music that Tyler makes. That's success; it doesn't matter that someone knows more about theory, or that someone studied their instrument longer, or if someone else doesn't like it. It's not an empirical concept.


XSLUMLORDX: "Songs he's come up with are very well known and have sold millions. THAT IS BEING A POP CULTURE WHORE."

The Velvet Jones Society: The Beatles, Mozart, Beethoven, Brubeck, Ellington, Elton John, B.B. King, Johnny Cash, etc... all a bunch of ho-s.
 
2003-05-12 05:32:36 AM
Correct, a music school is a great place to get teachers/courses/yadda3 but the best place is on the road, in a bar, on the stage. If you aren't playing your horn in front of people every fvcking night, you aren't going to get any better, regardless of how often you are in the practice room...

I was a music major for four years, and the worst part about it was that I couldn't get a band together from my school because everyone was going to be a teacher. Call me crazy, but I don't think that's the way it should work.

RubensHakkamacher-your last point made you my hero
 
2003-05-12 11:46:51 AM
Yeah, the Professional Music major at Berklee is just their liberal arts degree. It's pretty much "take whatever classes you want, we don't care, just get X number of credits."
 
2003-05-12 06:38:46 PM
Hey, My first contact high was during an Aerosmith concert way back in 1977. They sounded pretty good after a inhaled deeply about three times.
 
2003-05-12 10:44:41 PM
What a bunch of mindless dolts in this thread. It is an honorary degree. It is purely ceremonial. Think of it as an achievement award if you will. It does not make him a doctor nor will he now ask that he be referred to as Dr. Tyler. Those of you complaining about Mr. Tyler not "earning" his doctorate are joking, right? Please tell me you are, because if you're not the best thing for this world would be for you all not to reproduce.
 
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