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(KGUN9)   Pima, AZ sheriff figures new anti-brown-people law is going to get him sued no matter what he does, so Fark that, he's got work to do   (kgun9.com ) divider line
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2010-04-28 09:24:25 PM  
Funny thing is, his county borders Mexico on the area where the Border Patrol has tried to force those coming into the country. His county also has the 2nd largest Native American tribal land on it. It is a fair shot to say he has a better idea of what is going on than some white power lawyer from Oklahoma and some fat ass racist from Mesa.
 
2010-04-28 09:27:50 PM  
My brother lives in Tucson. Yesterday he said that he wishes Pima County was a separate state.
 
2010-04-28 09:42:36 PM  
Dupnik had harsh words for anyone who thinks SB 1070 will not lead to racial profiling. "If I tell my people to go out and look for A, B, and C, they're going to do it. They'll find some flimsy excuse like a tail light that's not working as a basis for a stop, which is a bunch of baloney."

Bravo, sir.
 
2010-04-28 09:49:32 PM  
I never thought I'd see the day where Americans were defending a "Papers, please" law. I also never thought I'd see the day that "Should the US support torture?" wasn't met with immediate and vehement disgust.
 
2010-04-28 09:52:47 PM  

bberg: I never thought I'd see the day where Americans were defending a "Papers, please" law. I also never thought I'd see the day that "Should the US support torture?" wasn't met with immediate and vehement disgust.


^ that
 
2010-04-28 09:59:30 PM  
So the sheriff has decided he is free to ignore the legislature? That worries me more than the criminals (oops, undocumented aliens).
 
2010-04-28 10:00:36 PM  

canaDn: So the sheriff has decided he is free to ignore the legislature? That worries me more than the criminals (oops, undocumented aliens).


So when the sheriff of Maricopa County does it, he gets applauded. When this one does it, he's worse than the illegals. Got it.
 
2010-04-28 10:03:27 PM  
I would probably support a law that merely requires police to check the immigration and warrant status of every single person they arrest (or detain) for another valid reason. It's even somewhat reasonable to question people near the border for trespassing.

This present law is loathsome.
 
2010-04-28 10:09:40 PM  
Funny, there are several other states now considering the same laws. It wouldn't be a problem if the Fed would just do it's job and enforce the current laws.
 
2010-04-28 10:09:48 PM  

pxlboy: bberg: I never thought I'd see the day where Americans were defending a "Papers, please" law. I also never thought I'd see the day that "Should the US support torture?" wasn't met with immediate and vehement disgust.

^ that


these
 
2010-04-28 10:12:09 PM  

GaryPDX: Funny, there are several other states now considering the same laws. It wouldn't be a problem if the Fed would just do it's job and enforce the current laws.


"Racial profiling and harassment is ok if the federal government isn't solving the problem on its own." Quite the small-government conservative, Gary. I wonder what you would say if you and your kids were Hispanic.
 
2010-04-28 10:23:01 PM  

GaryPDX: Funny, there are several other states now considering the same laws. It wouldn't be a problem if the Fed would just do it's job and enforce the current laws.


The problem isn't so much that the US Gov't isn't enforcing the existing laws, but that Arizona just passed a law making it an arrestable offense to not have on your person documentation proving you are not an illegal immigrant, even if you are a natural-born citizen.

And don't give me that "you have to have your driver's license on you when you're driving" sh*t, because driving without a license isn't the issue here and is illegal in and of itself. The issue is if an officer makes "lawful contact" with someone (which is probably defined, or will be interpreted as, any contact which is not unlawful, such as looking them in the eye or asking for the time of day) and has "reasonable" suspicion that that person is not in the country legally, the officer can (must) ask that person for their green card. If that person does not have a green card, he or she will get arrested.

This is a problem because US citizens generally do not carry their passport or birth certificate with them when going to the grocery store or taking their kids to school, and can now get arrested for leaving their house without their papers.
 
2010-04-28 10:25:01 PM  

GaryPDX: Funny, there are several other states now considering the same laws. It wouldn't be a problem if the Fed would just do it's job and enforce the current laws.


This law is gonna cost us a huge amount of money in lawsuits, and sets the stage for people to get hassled by the man.

As insane as some of your postings are Gary, I wonder why you support a law which can be abused by our black president to have honkies produce their papers (which none of us carry all the time) before being deported by secret muslin policems.
 
2010-04-28 10:37:18 PM  

TehNacho: As insane as some of your postings are Gary, I wonder why you support a law which can be abused by our black president to have honkies produce their papers (which none of us carry all the time) before being deported by secret muslin policems.


Because they're brown. Duh.
 
2010-04-28 10:40:11 PM  

King Something: This is a problem because US citizens generally do not carry their passport or birth certificate with them when going to the grocery store or taking their kids to school, and can now get arrested for leaving their house without their papers.


Well, since I had to provide a birth certificate and identify myself when I got my drivers license renewed, I really don't have to worry about that since I carry my drivers license everywhere I go. I've been searched and asked for my ID at political rallies in public. Or using a credit card and they verify my signature with picture ID.

Your assertion that it will be like this...

www.holocaustresearchproject.org

...is absolute bunk.
 
2010-04-28 10:40:36 PM  

bberg: I never thought I'd see the day where Americans were defending a "Papers, please" law.


I'm more than a little shocked how many people are. You'd think with so many Constitution-loving Republicans, in their own words, around, a few of them would call this bill the shiat it is, but they're sticking to that bullshiat about how this isn't profiling.
 
2010-04-28 10:44:13 PM  

puffy999: TehNacho: As insane as some of your postings are Gary, I wonder why you support a law which can be abused by our black president to have honkies produce their papers (which none of us carry all the time) before being deported by secret muslin policems.

Because they're brown. Duh.


You're not seeing the big picture. Teh brown peeple are using our own fear of them to enact a law wich will allow them to turn on us1

wake up sheepl1!
 
2010-04-28 10:44:51 PM  

TehNacho: GaryPDX: Funny, there are several other states now considering the same laws. It wouldn't be a problem if the Fed would just do it's job and enforce the current laws.

This law is gonna cost us a huge amount of money in lawsuits, and sets the stage for people to get hassled by the man.

As insane as some of your postings are Gary, I wonder why you support a law which can be abused by our black president to have honkies produce their papers (which none of us carry all the time) before being deported by secret muslin policems.


Dude, it has stirred up major controversy here in Commie Oregon too but not how you think. The public wants Oregon to pass the same law. Texas is also doing it and Utah and Colorado are looking at it.

Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.
 
2010-04-28 10:47:58 PM  

bberg: I never thought I'd see the day where Americans were defending a "Papers, please" law. I also never thought I'd see the day that "Should the US support torture?" wasn't met with immediate and vehement disgust.


This.
 
2010-04-28 10:49:37 PM  

GaryPDX: Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.


The problem isn't that they are here, the problem is that they feel they can't have a basic life in Mexico. They are leaving their homes, their families, their .. everything to come here. Why? Fix that, and you'll see the issue start to resolve itself.

And since we love building up countries half way around the world, why not spend some of that love on our southern neighbor?
 
2010-04-28 10:50:20 PM  
GaryPDX: Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

so violating the constitution is ok if the people really really want it.

Got it.
 
2010-04-28 10:52:40 PM  

SilentStrider: GaryPDX: Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

so violating the constitution is ok if the people really really want it.

Got it.


Hey, you guys are the ones that pitched the virtues of "democrazy". I've been sticking to the Republic, Rule of Law mantra. See what happens when you open the pandora's box of "Tyranny of the Majority"?
 
2010-04-28 10:53:20 PM  

GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.


So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.
 
2010-04-28 10:56:17 PM  

Racht: GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.


It's just Democrazy, which you guys love so much. Why the hell did you think I critized you retards so much for going down this road of Democrazy? We're a Republic, or at least we used to be. You guys don't like it much when more than 51% goes against you.
 
2010-04-28 10:56:20 PM  
Small government conservatives: Taste the integrity.
 
2010-04-28 10:57:04 PM  

Racht: GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.


He's playing devil's advocate. We had a similar discussion last night and he ended up being down right amiable.
 
2010-04-28 10:58:25 PM  

GaryPDX: Racht: GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.

It's just Democrazy, which you guys love so much. Why the hell did you think I critized you retards so much for going down this road of Democrazy? We're a Republic, or at least we used to be. You guys don't like it much when more than 51% goes against you.


Drinking again, eh?

So now you're FOR big government? That's what I got from it.
 
2010-04-28 10:58:35 PM  

rppp01a: He's playing devil's advocate. We had a similar discussion last night and he ended up being down right amiable.


Maybe some of you might get a farking clue.
 
2010-04-28 10:59:20 PM  

GaryPDX: King Something: This is a problem because US citizens generally do not carry their passport or birth certificate with them when going to the grocery store or taking their kids to school, and can now get arrested for leaving their house without their papers.

Well, since I had to provide a birth certificate and identify myself when I got my drivers license renewed, I really don't have to worry about that since I carry my drivers license everywhere I go. I've been searched and asked for my ID at political rallies in public. Or using a credit card and they verify my signature with picture ID.

Your assertion that it will be like this...

...is absolute bunk.


You sound like you're not a brown-skinned Hispanic.

So you carry your driver's license with you wherever you go. Good for you. But you don't need it for much other than operating motor vehicles on public roads.
Buying booze, smokes or porn? Any photo ID will do so long as it's valid, it doesn't need to be a DL.
Cop asks you for ID at a peace rally? You should be fine showing him a work ID from your job or a fishing license or something; and if he arrests you for walking without a driver's license, the ACLU will help you force that cop's department to buy you a plot of land the size of Prospect Park(^).

Does Oregon require proof of citizenship for driver's license renewals? If not, then it ain't worth the plastic it's printed on in Arizona if you don't want to get arrested under their "Ihre Papiere, bitte" law.
 
2010-04-28 11:00:28 PM  

GaryPDX:
It's just Democrazy, which you guys love so much. Why the hell did you think I critized you retards so much for going down this road of Democrazy? We're a Republic, or at least we used to be. You guys don't like it much when more than 51% goes against you.


At no point have I or anyone else like me suggested that it's acceptable to violate a minority's civil rights if 51% of the population think it should be violated. We had the same problem with Prop 8, if you'll recall.

In any case, we've lost a lot of respect for you through your unwillingness to condemn this bill. You want to talk about small government? About liberty? About curbing government power and government abuses? Buddy, this is exactly the kind of thing that's talking about.

But I'm gathering a lot of you didn't *really* care about those principles, at least when it comes to laws that only affect people with a different skin color than you and your kids. As long as white people don't get stopped by the police and asked for their papers, it's ok.
 
2010-04-28 11:00:53 PM  
Nice save Dupnik. Thanks for sticking up for the brown guy for once!

We wont mention that little thing about Tucson police sticking rolled up tape into Hispanic motorist's noses to check for cocaine residue awhile back.

I'll buy you a cold one at O'Malley's at your convenience.
 
2010-04-28 11:02:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GaryPDX: Racht: GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.

It's just Democrazy, which you guys love so much. Why the hell did you think I critized you retards so much for going down this road of Democrazy? We're a Republic, or at least we used to be. You guys don't like it much when more than 51% goes against you.

Drinking again, eh?

So now you're FOR big government? That's what I got from it.


Oh, allow me to also mention that we are a Constitutional Republic. Meaning that laws passed by the legislatures of the states need to abide by the Constitution.
 
2010-04-28 11:03:13 PM  

King Something: You sound like you're not a brown-skinned Hispanic.

Does Oregon require proof of citizenship for driver's license renewals? If not, then it ain't worth the plastic it's printed on in Arizona if you don't want to get arrested under their "Ihre Papiere, bitte" law.


1. Yes, I have been mistaken for hispanic before even though I'm of European decent

2. Oregon does now on drivers licenses. The even fine employers 2000 dollars for hiring illegals.

This is commie liberal bead butt hippy Oregon.
 
2010-04-28 11:04:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh, allow me to also mention that we are a Constitutional Republic. Meaning that laws passed by the legislatures of the states need to abide by the Constitution.


Sooo Cameron, what should States do when the Fed fails to uphold it's responsibility?
 
2010-04-28 11:05:41 PM  

GaryPDX: cameroncrazy1984: Oh, allow me to also mention that we are a Constitutional Republic. Meaning that laws passed by the legislatures of the states need to abide by the Constitution.

Sooo Cameron, what should States do when the Fed fails to uphold it's responsibility?


Pass laws that are Constitutional, perhaps?
 
2010-04-28 11:06:06 PM  

Racht: GaryPDX:
Again, if the Fed did it's farking job instead of playing partisan bullshiat games, we wouldn't be in this spot. The general public is supporting it.

So violating civil rights and legalizing racial profiling and racial harassment is acceptable if people want it.

Gary, you're a fascist. A real, honest-to-god fascist.


It's not fascism when Gary supports it, because Gary doesn't support fascism. Yay for the freedom and liberty of circular reasoning!
 
2010-04-28 11:06:28 PM  

GaryPDX: Sooo Cameron, what should States do when the Fed fails to uphold it's responsibility?


Well, obviously the answer is "institute a racist law that legalizes racial profiling and racial harassment". I mean, Arizona was practically forced into legalizing racial profiling, right? If only there were a few hundred more border troops!
 
2010-04-28 11:06:37 PM  

Racht: At no point have I or anyone else like me suggested that it's acceptable to violate a minority's civil rights if 51% of the population think it should be violated.


Really? Not even those irritating teabaggers? Those trailer trash crackers?
 
2010-04-28 11:07:40 PM  

GaryPDX: Racht: At no point have I or anyone else like me suggested that it's acceptable to violate a minority's civil rights if 51% of the population think it should be violated.

Really? Not even those irritating teabaggers? Those trailer trash crackers?


In an anti-constitutional way? No.
 
2010-04-28 11:08:05 PM  

Racht: GaryPDX: Sooo Cameron, what should States do when the Fed fails to uphold it's responsibility?

Well, obviously the answer is "institute a racist law that legalizes racial profiling and racial harassment". I mean, Arizona was practically forced into legalizing racial profiling, right? If only there were a few hundred more border troops!


Do you even realize that AZ law almost mirrors the Fed law verbatim?
 
2010-04-28 11:08:58 PM  

GaryPDX: Racht: At no point have I or anyone else like me suggested that it's acceptable to violate a minority's civil rights if 51% of the population think it should be violated.

Really? Not even those irritating teabaggers? Those trailer trash crackers?


Question;

pardon my ignorance, but what constitutional rights are being broken in the case of teabaggers?
 
2010-04-28 11:11:11 PM  

GaryPDX: rppp01a: He's playing devil's advocate. We had a similar discussion last night and he ended up being down right amiable.

Maybe some of you might get a farking clue.


If the clue to get is that you are not completely unreasonable, then it is a clue that I got

/oh I've got such a RAGING clue!
 
2010-04-28 11:12:25 PM  

GaryPDX:
Really? Not even those irritating teabaggers? Those trailer trash crackers?


No, Gary. It is not acceptable at all to pass a law that specifically harasses tea party members. Apparently unlike you, my beliefs apply equally to people I don't like.
 
2010-04-28 11:13:15 PM  

King Something: GaryPDX: rppp01a: He's playing devil's advocate. We had a similar discussion last night and he ended up being down right amiable.

Maybe some of you might get a farking clue.

If the clue to get is that you are not completely unreasonable, then it is a clue that I got

/oh I've got such a RAGING clue!


And here I thought you were happy to see me.
 
2010-04-28 11:13:36 PM  

GaryPDX:
Do you even realize that AZ law almost mirrors the Fed law verbatim?


Would you care to cite which Fed law allows police to detain anyone they feel like and demand proof of citizenship, and arrest anyone who happens not to be carrying their papers on their person?
 
2010-04-28 11:13:59 PM  

GaryPDX: Do you even realize that AZ law almost mirrors the Fed law verbatim?


Do you realize that the word "almost" precludes the word "verbatim"?
 
2010-04-28 11:24:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GaryPDX: Do you even realize that AZ law almost mirrors the Fed law verbatim?

Do you realize that the word "almost" precludes the word "verbatim"?


You guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The "almost" area is largely protections from what you fear. The big change here is the state assumes ability to check legal status as part of the process with other crimes. You wanks are ignoring the actual verbiage of the law. Now if you believe some "red neck" cops will abuse the legal verbiage, maybe, but they will be in conflict with the law.

You're nuts if you think there will be check points for the..oh wait, they do that already for "safety" checks with breathalyzers.

/keep spinning
 
2010-04-28 11:25:35 PM  

GaryPDX: King Something: You sound like you're not a brown-skinned Hispanic.

Does Oregon require proof of citizenship for driver's license renewals? If not, then it ain't worth the plastic it's printed on in Arizona if you don't want to get arrested under their "Ihre Papiere, bitte" law.

1. Yes, I have been mistaken for hispanic before even though I'm of European decent

2. Oregon does now on drivers licenses. The even fine employers 2000 dollars for hiring illegals.

This is commie liberal bead butt hippy Oregon.


1. I kinda feel your pain. I've been mistaken for Israeli, Arab, Indian, eastern European and Filipino, but I am none of the above.

2. In that case, you should be fine is Soviet Arizona if you are stopped by police wile driving, traffic violations notwithstanding.
However, if you take a week-long furlong into Phoenix and are asked by a cop for your driver's license while doing anything which does not explicitly require it (like buying booze, buying smokes, buying porn, riding as a passenger in any vehicle, walking, etc) and the cop tells you that a work ID or fishing license with your name and picture isn't god enough, remember the L word.

This law will not pass the courts. It will be declared unconstitutional by the first judge who hears a case on the subject as it puts unnecessary restrictions on the citizens' right to move about the country as they see fit - last I checked, you don't need a passport to travel between States* or between cities within a State.

*Offer not valid in Alaska or Hawaii
 
2010-04-28 11:30:31 PM  

GaryPDX: The big change here is the state assumes ability to check legal status as part of the process with other crimes.


That's not even remotely accurate. The change is that it gives police the right to ask anyone who they "suspect" is an illegal immigrant to produce their proof of citizenship, and detain and arrest them if they don't happen to have it on them. No crime is necessary. Under this law, if a cop sees a Hispanic walking down the street that he feels "looks like an illegal", he can detain him and ask him to prove he's not. It allows utter, complete racial profiling.
 
2010-04-28 11:31:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GaryPDX: Do you even realize that AZ law almost mirrors the Fed law verbatim?

Do you realize that the word "almost" precludes the word "verbatim"?


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