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2003-05-10 10:42:39 AM
"Fark the FTC! Fark the FTC!"

/Stern

(Oh wait, that's the FCC. Whatever)
 
2003-05-10 10:44:04 AM
I knew this mumbo jumbo wouldn't last.
 
2003-05-10 10:44:20 AM
This has worked great (so far) for me in my state.

Where is the "Do Not Spam" list! Get on the ball FTD!
 
2003-05-10 10:44:36 AM
Er, should have read the article. The websites are scams. Nevermind.

Kind of ironic, actually.
 
2003-05-10 10:49:46 AM
I have an unlisted number and I'm STILL getting telemarketing calls. Pisses me off.

/off to stab Verizon
 
2003-05-10 11:01:47 AM
This is why I love my cell phone...ah, no telemarketing calls, and I didn't have to sign up for anything. (The cell phone plan aside).

On a side note, at work, we have just started to be flooded with telemarketing. The new store has been open for 2 months, and hadn't gotten one yet. Until yesterday, when we had 8.

/eagerly awaiting the time to register the business numbers.
 
2003-05-10 11:02:03 AM
The DNC list works great in my state (CT), too. It takes a couple of months before it takes effect after you put your name on the list, but now I get none. Finally the government has done something right!!
 
2003-05-10 11:03:16 AM
yeah lol Genuinejon, that would be freaking awesome!
 
2003-05-10 11:03:46 AM
as long as the crank yankers can still call and harass folks, i'm ok with it.
 
2003-05-10 11:06:36 AM
"The law doesn't allow third-party profiteers to be in the do-not-call business."

Yes, but does the law specifically forbid such a business?
Since when is there some enumerated list of government-approved business models?
 
2003-05-10 11:10:23 AM
Here in UK the DNC list doesnt really work, well not for me anyway, but I've learnt to channel my rage and fury into something fun and probably even therapeutic. I sound really enthusiastic and ask dumb questions until they realise I'm both yanking their chain and wasting their time.

*They* hang up on *me*
 
2003-05-10 11:12:25 AM
Young_Fart: I think that the law forbids deceptive business practices and fraud. The guy is selling a service which he can't provide. If the FTC won't allow companies to mass-register other users, then he is stealing.
 
2003-05-10 11:19:14 AM
I am on a do not call list in Connecticut and I rarely get calls. I actually now look forward to them now so I can biatch slap them once they complete their sales pitch.

I just threaten to sick Dick Blumenthal (attorney general) on their ass if they call again. Dick's the man!
 
2003-05-10 11:19:16 AM
Actually a simple method of yanking their chain is just to mutter scrotum every time they ask you a question.
 
2003-05-10 11:23:27 AM
The National "Do Not Call" Registry
Amendment to the Telemarketing Sales Rule
The FTC will not allow private companies or other such third parties to "pre-register" consumers for the national Do Not Call registry. Web sites or phone solicitations that claim they can or will register a consumer's name or phone number on a national list especially those that charge a fee are a scam. Consumers will be able to register directly with the FTC, or through some state governments, but never private companies.


CaptainBurly, it sounds like they just decided on their own to forbid "pre-registration" by decree. Those web sites, whether legit or not, seem to be something they didn't forsee. If they want to change the rules, then fine, but they should at least give the pre-registration companies the chance to submit their lists to the FTC.
 
2003-05-10 11:26:47 AM
Massa"shiat"tts started a statewide do not call list at the beginning of April. My home and cell are on it. The last week of March I got a boat load of telemarketing calls and when April 1st came, quiet. The silence has been pure bliss. The few who do call, I biach them out, threaten to call the attorney general, and they kiss A$$. I love the DNC list, and highly reccomend it.
 
TJ
2003-05-10 11:39:55 AM
while reading the headline i said to myself...

wtf?

and then i read the article. i was wondering why it would be spiffy to sue a 'do-not-call' list...
 
2003-05-10 11:51:26 AM
05-10-03 11:10:23 AM Microwave

"I sound really enthusiastic and ask dumb questions until they realise I'm both yanking their chain and wasting their time."

Yeah, wasting 'their' time. At least they're getting paid while you're wasting YOUR time dorking around on the phone...

;)
 
2003-05-10 11:57:09 AM
VoodooKaka: Hey, I never said I had an actual life...
 
2003-05-10 12:13:07 PM
I do what Microwave does too - I act like either a complete moron (if they're selling windshield repair, I play along and arrange appointements etc and then say I have a skateboard / bicycle, and then get indignant that they don't wanna do business anymore) or a criminal who just murdered someone and "hypothetically" asks how to get rid of bodies ("do you know a 'fixer', like The Wolf in Pulp Fiction?") or if I can crash at their place. If its a chick, I act like i'm jerking off and moan and shiat.

But, as VoodooKaka notes, i'm only wasting my time while they're getting paid. So I only do it if / when I'm being a slug watching TV in the first place.
 
2003-05-10 12:28:02 PM
farkin
T he
C itizens


Its amazing that all the while,
these people just act like a child.
The RIAA,
and FTC are so gay,
why dont we just go "SEIG HEIL"...
 
2003-05-10 12:56:19 PM
This is why I love my internet phone. No evil phone company and their bed partners know my phone number. Peace and quiet.
 
2003-05-10 01:24:21 PM
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Ouatlaw2097, you are in violation of section C57.32(i) of the Internet Forum Laws: Replying to a Fark post without first reading the article. Your Internet license will be suspended for the next three weeks. Further violations will extend the suspension period...


/wishful thinking
 
2003-05-10 01:26:08 PM
Yes, but does the law specifically forbid such a business?
Since when is there some enumerated list of government-approved business models?


Is there any slimy business practice that Libertarians won't stick up for?
 
2003-05-10 01:38:16 PM
From the FTC's site:
A telemarketer or seller may call a consumer with whom it has an established business relationship for up to 18 months after the consumer's last purchase, delivery, or payment - even if the consumer's number is on the national "do not call" registry.

I suspect what these scammers had in mind with their Web sites was to build up a list of people that they (the Web site scum) would be the only ones allowed to call (not to mention a ready-made list of email addresses of people who are getting fewer phone solicitations). That's why the FTC should not allow third parties to register consumers for the DNC list.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-05-10 02:29:28 PM
I found a copy of the complaint on the FTC web site. It alleges that the FTC prohibits third party registration and cites the Federal Register notice (68 FR 4580, 4339). So I looked up the federal register notice. It says that a number may be added to the list either by calling from the phone number to be added to the list or via a web site. The web site is alleged to limit bulk additions, but they don't say how.

Basically the FTC's reasoning is circular: ``we don't like these companies so we're going to do our best to prevent them from adding names to the list, and because we're trying to prevent them adding names to the list we can claim they are committing fraud and try to prevent them from operating.''

So as far as I'm concerned the FTC should be abolished and reinstated after a one year cooling off period with new people in charge.
 
2003-05-10 03:35:09 PM
Genuinejon

Where is the "Do Not Spam" list! Get on the ball FTD!


The flower delivery guys are going to run a "do not spam" list?
Cool.
 
2003-05-10 03:51:05 PM
why do we need to have a do not call list? If telemarketering calls are so hated that there is a desire to create a do not call list. How can a person working for a company think that it would be a good idea to start a telemarketing campaign?
 
2003-05-10 04:28:24 PM
I suspect what these scammers had in mind with their Web sites was to build up a list of people that they (the Web site scum) would be the only ones allowed to call (not to mention a ready-made list of email addresses of people who are getting fewer phone solicitations). That's why the FTC should not allow third parties to register consumers for the DNC list.

So? What about all the folks filling out rebate certificates with BestBuy or CompUSA? Will they be screwed as well? You raise an interesting point, and that is these people will continue to be abused by telemarketers, and the new law to protect them will instead protect telemarketers. Remember, never, never, never, ever trust a Congressman.
 
2003-05-10 04:33:47 PM
"How can a person working for a company think that it would be a good idea to start a telemarketing campaign? "

-It's business. If telemarketing didn't work nobody would do it. The fact that telemarketing is such a big business in this country means, despite all the biatching, people make money at it. So why would they stop?
 
2003-05-10 04:37:52 PM
I love the no call list. Signed up a couple of months ago and now my phone doesn't ring at all.

Hmm... maybe I should quit spending all my time on FARK and get some friends
 
2003-05-10 04:46:34 PM
Whenever I get a call from a telemarketer and they ask to speak to someone, I tell them he/she is in jail, an insane asylum, or just had a stroke and can't talk.
They don't call back.
 
2003-05-10 05:26:44 PM
Next time I get a telemarketing call, and they ask to speak to someone, I'll say "They died" and then fake bawling!

HAHA
 
2003-05-10 05:40:16 PM
Shumz: Excellent!
 
2003-05-10 05:49:33 PM
This is what I do.

*phone rings*

Me: Hello?
Them: Hello! Mr , I'm phoning on behalf of shiathead Limited to offer you a GREAT deal on...
Me: Uh, could you hang on a minute? I'm VERY interested but there's someone at the door, please stay on the line!

*puts phone on desk*

*continues surfing the web, while the idiot wastes their phone bill for twenty minutes before hanging up*

And whoever said about them earning money, in the UK most of these people work on comission, so they very rarely earn unless they make a sale.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-05-10 09:56:48 PM
Shumz: Next time I get a telemarketing call, and they ask to speak to someone, I'll say "They died" and then fake bawling!

Shouldn't do anything to an experienced telemarketer. There is a standard code the caller types into the computer to indicate "intended recipient is dead". It happens fairly often. Overly sensitive types probably don't last too long on the job.

Zygotic: And whoever said about them earning money, in the UK most of these people work on comission, so they very rarely earn unless they make a sale.

I think US telemarketers get paid close to minimum wage plus a commission. Pay probably varies depending on where you work and what you do.
 
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