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(ABC)   Not News: clothing maker claims he was forced to close his factory and fire all of his workers because he simply couldn't compete with cheap imports flooding in from China where wages are so much lower Fark:The factory was in Indonesia   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 35
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2010-04-26 10:18:16 AM  
Yeah, I worry we are going to be China's slaves someday. It will be our own fault.
 
2010-04-26 12:31:24 PM  
Stylishly clothed slaves.
 
2010-04-26 12:32:06 PM  
I love all of these "fashion" types. They think they are so high and mighty. I see them on reality shows saying how fashion makes billions a year, and I think, yeah, they promote sweat shops all over the world so they can make clothes that cost 4 cents to produce and charge idiots hundreds of dollars for them.

That's all the industry does. Promotes child slave labor so idiots can buy clothes so they can look good and show off to strangers when they are out in public.
 
2010-04-26 12:34:49 PM  
Stylishly clothed idiots.
 
2010-04-26 12:39:33 PM  
One Third World country gets beat by another.
 
2010-04-26 12:41:49 PM  
coming to america soon,opps,already here.
 
2010-04-26 12:43:32 PM  
"How do we keep our prices so low? We cheat our employees and pass the savings on to YOU!!"
 
2010-04-26 12:48:08 PM  
Crabs_Can_Polevault: "How do we keep our prices so low? We cheat our employees, kill/imprison/disappear any critics, and pass the savings on to YOU!!"
 
2010-04-26 12:51:09 PM  
it's his own fault.. had he unionized his factory would not only be closed but probably be doing really well.
 
2010-04-26 12:53:05 PM  
Dashingly adorned property.
 
2010-04-26 12:55:35 PM  
SuperNinjaToad: it's his own fault.. had he unionized his factory would not only be closed but probably be doing really well.

0/10.
 
2010-04-26 01:00:47 PM  
We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.
 
2010-04-26 01:15:25 PM  
Lunaville: We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

The thing is, removal of these factories from third-world nations would cripple them more than us. Without these places, the people go back to subsistence farming and prostitution.
 
2010-04-26 01:24:58 PM  
Lunaville: We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

bingo, it should be a red flag to any economist that after two decades of booming economic development, China can still undercut the wages of some of the world's poorest countries. Not only is the wealth not trickling down, it isn't even dripping down slightly
 
2010-04-26 01:25:53 PM  
ArkAngel: Lunaville: We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

The thing is, removal of these factories from third-world nations would cripple them more than us. Without these places, the people go back to subsistence farming and prostitution.


Not our country's problem if their model is dependent on a non-free "company town" workforce.

Lunaville: We have euphemisms for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

The problem is that the following is not profitable:
• Running an honest business that plays by the rules
• Giving workers freedoms that are on par with businesses
• Addressing worker shortages by hiring and training our own citizens.
 
2010-04-26 01:26:13 PM  
We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

But that whole slavery thing worked out so well for the US...
 
2010-04-26 01:27:10 PM  
que.guero: We have euphemisims for why China can produce goods so cheaply: "prison labor", "forced labor"; these terms mean slavery. No person should be enslaved. No worker and no honest business person should have to compete against slave made goods.

But that whole slavery thing worked out so well for the US...


It came back though, in the name of being "business-friendly".
 
2010-04-26 01:42:56 PM  
wejew.com

Does NOT approve
 
2010-04-26 01:44:01 PM  
Mugatu will get his revenge.
 
2010-04-26 01:48:48 PM  
No props to the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" ?
 
2010-04-26 01:51:38 PM  
fyrewede: Does NOT approve

...a case of someone doing things the right way, actually giving a damn about the people who worked there.
 
2010-04-26 02:00:35 PM  
Don't worry guys. soon labor here will be so cheap that companies will start outsourcing to us!

There's already a toy company who brought production back state side because china got too expensive.
 
2010-04-26 02:10:53 PM  
CLEARLY I'm evil: Don't worry guys. soon labor here will be so cheap that companies will start outsourcing to us!

There's already a toy company who brought production back state side because china got too expensive.


No thanks, but leave the permatemping to Europe, tyvm.
 
2010-04-26 02:20:25 PM  
CLEARLY I'm evil: Don't worry guys. soon labor here will be so cheap that companies will start outsourcing to us!

There's already a toy company who brought production back state side because china got too expensive.


Citation?

I can believe that maybe quality got so bad, that "reject" toys were being returned and costing the company money, but it's difficult to believe that China production is more expensive than US production.
 
2010-04-26 02:24:44 PM  
hyperflame: CLEARLY I'm evil: Don't worry guys. soon labor here will be so cheap that companies will start outsourcing to us!

There's already a toy company who brought production back state side because china got too expensive.

Citation?

I can believe that maybe quality got so bad, that "reject" toys were being returned and costing the company money, but it's difficult to believe that China production is more expensive than US production.


Too many cases of hazardous chemicals entering product no matter what foreign factory was used?
 
2010-04-26 04:45:16 PM  
The toy company is whamo or something. It was on the Colbert Report the other night.
 
2010-04-26 04:48:04 PM  
Oh and I think it was the export costs and such that was cited as the reason for the move back to the US.
 
2010-04-26 05:31:08 PM  
As a union man, this sickens me...

Look, the story since the Industrial Revolution has been one of the workers saying, "'Ang on a minute, Guv'ner!" and demanding that they recieve a fair share of the profits generated by their labors. Things like the 40-hour work week, paid sick days and vacation days, a decent pension at the end of it all. You robber barons can have your gilded shiat-pots, but you've got to give something back to the common man, too, to make it worth his while to support your corpulent asses.

That's what modern-day conservatives really miss when they bash on FDR - the guy was a classic patrician, he only rolled out the New Deal because it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Old Deal was busted and the alternative was a much more violent redistribution of wealth. A population that is close to starving, losing their homes, dying of easily curable diseases, and generally terrified and miserable is ripe for the appearance of demagogues and revolutionaries.

So it was easier and safer for everyone involved to pass a small portion on to the little guy - give people a shot a decent standard of living and security, and they are much less likely to make waves. And the fat cats can still keep the lion's share; everyone's happy.

And so it was for the next fifty-odd years. But people are perpetually unwilling to believe that the lessons of history could have any relevance to today's complex world. So they got greedy, and started tearing down the very safety nets that had protected their grandfathers and ensured their own ill-gotten gains. It's illegal to exploit workers in America? Well just outsource the exploitation... Brilliant!

So now, once again, these greedy pigs are tearing down the foundations on which their servants had built their dreams. Nobody's hiring because Chinese/Mexicans/whoever will do it for $0.50/hr with no bathroom breaks. And health care is damn near unaffordable, it's the leading cause of bankruptcies, even for folks with insurance. And if you do manage to survive to retirement, tough shiat, Wall Street ate your pension, grandma.

And these same greedy farks have the audacity to claim that the problem is that consumers aren't confident?!?! No shiat, sherlock, that'll happen when you systematically fark them over for decades. It all looks rosy when the tide is rising, but in the ebb we find ourselves locked in a race to the bottom with slave laborers, with them inevitably winning.

So what's the solution? Well, there's really only 3 ways this can end up:

1) we basically become China. Another few decades of double-digit unemployment and broken social contracts and we'll be lining up for the good 'ol company town. I think if you get most of the oligarchs liquored up, this is what they'd admit to expecting, even working toward.

but they forget that:

2) people will only eat shiat for so long. Especially if they're used to eating cake instead of shiat, and they see their bosses eating all the cake that used to be theirs. China's different, they don't care fark all for the worth of the individual, never have. We're different. Far from this effette limp-wristed tea parties, you could really see a revolution more in line with the French Revolution than the current Faschism-Lite trends.

But that'll only happen after enough people are miserable enough for long enough. I'd prefer to see the last option:

3) Realizing that neither of the first 2 options are really good for anyone; we say, "wait a minute, we didn't work our asses off for the past century to dismantle it for cheap plastic crap!" Then we start putting tarrifs in place that make sense, based on working conditions. If you want to pay your people a living wage and give them decent conditions, fine, sell away without impediment. But if you want to have 6-year-olds working 16-hour days with no airconditioning, fark you, we're not going to ask our workers to compete with that bullshiat and we'll inflate the import price through tarriffs to compensate.

Of course, no one in power wants to do that because then they'll have to answer the question - why are we working twice as hard as our parents, for half as much? Where's all that hard work and money been going for decades?
 
2010-04-26 05:34:08 PM  
God damn! that's the longest post I've written in years...

TL;DR summary:

you can't ask workers with benefits to compete with slave labor.
We've come too far as a country to be okay with outsourcing exploitation of workers. Either we just say fark it and become China, or we have a bloody revolution when our people get tired of it, or *gasp* we stop incentivizing this behavior.
 
2010-04-26 05:58:19 PM  
This is why I don't buy clothes anymore. Fark the facist-hion industry and their overpriced shiny beads and baubles. I'm happy with Toms and get way more compliments now then I ever did shopping at Nordstrom's.
 
2010-04-26 07:31:51 PM  
ArkAngel:
The thing is, removal of these factories from third-world nations would cripple them more than us. Without these places, the people go back to subsistence farming and prostitution.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

(j/k)
 
2010-04-26 07:38:54 PM  
werekoala: As a union man, this sickens me...

Look, the story since the Industrial Revolution has been one of the workers saying, "'Ang on a minute, Guv'ner!" and demanding that they recieve a fair share of the profits generated by their labors. Things like the 40-hour work week, paid sick days and vacation days, a decent pension at the end of it all. You robber barons can have your gilded shiat-pots, but you've got to give something back to the common man, too, to make it worth his while to support your corpulent asses.

That's what modern-day conservatives really miss when they bash on FDR - the guy was a classic patrician, he only rolled out the New Deal because it was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Old Deal was busted and the alternative was a much more violent redistribution of wealth. A population that is close to starving, losing their homes, dying of easily curable diseases, and generally terrified and miserable is ripe for the appearance of demagogues and revolutionaries.

So it was easier and safer for everyone involved to pass a small portion on to the little guy - give people a shot a decent standard of living and security, and they are much less likely to make waves. And the fat cats can still keep the lion's share; everyone's happy.

And so it was for the next fifty-odd years. But people are perpetually unwilling to believe that the lessons of history could have any relevance to today's complex world. So they got greedy, and started tearing down the very safety nets that had protected their grandfathers and ensured their own ill-gotten gains. It's illegal to exploit workers in America? Well just outsource the exploitation... Brilliant!

So now, once again, these greedy pigs are tearing down the foundations on which their servants had built their dreams. Nobody's hiring because Chinese/Mexicans/whoever will do it for $0.50/hr with no bathroom breaks. And health care is damn near unaffordable, it's the leading cause of bankruptcies, even for folks with insurance. And if you do manage to survive to retirement, tough shiat, Wall Street ate your pension, grandma.

And these same greedy farks have the audacity to claim that the problem is that consumers aren't confident?!?! No shiat, sherlock, that'll happen when you systematically fark them over for decades. It all looks rosy when the tide is rising, but in the ebb we find ourselves locked in a race to the bottom with slave laborers, with them inevitably winning.

So what's the solution? Well, there's really only 3 ways this can end up:

1) we basically become China. Another few decades of double-digit unemployment and broken social contracts and we'll be lining up for the good 'ol company town. I think if you get most of the oligarchs liquored up, this is what they'd admit to expecting, even working toward.

but they forget that:

2) people will only eat shiat for so long. Especially if they're used to eating cake instead of shiat, and they see their bosses eating all the cake that used to be theirs. China's different, they don't care fark all for the worth of the individual, never have. We're different. Far from this effette limp-wristed tea parties, you could really see a revolution more in line with the French Revolution than the current Faschism-Lite trends.

But that'll only happen after enough people are miserable enough for long enough. I'd prefer to see the last option:

3) Realizing that neither of the first 2 options are really good for anyone; we say, "wait a minute, we didn't work our asses off for the past century to dismantle it for cheap plastic crap!" Then we start putting tarrifs in place that make sense, based on working conditions. If you want to pay your people a living wage and give them decent conditions, fine, sell away without impediment. But if you want to have 6-year-olds working 16-hour days with no airconditioning, fark you, we're not going to ask our workers to compete with that bullshiat and we'll inflate the import price through tarriffs to compensate.

Of course, no one in power wants to do that because ...


As a Libertarian, I generally agree, and I like option #3. But only if those tariffs are accompanied by a reduction in taxes. Otherwise, the increased government revenue is just another excuse to Party On.
 
2010-04-26 11:31:01 PM  
Chinese manufacturing will eventually level out to where they are competing with the rest of Asia. It might take ten or fifteen more years but look at Japan, Korea and Taiwan. American and European businesses flooded into those countries to take advantage of cheap labor and govt concessions and within a few generations, those countries own industries started producing high quality exports while building a solid domestic infrastructure. The Chinese government is trying to suppress growth and wages but Chinese workers are already buying color TVs, computers and automobiles because their standard of living is slowly rising. Chinese factories are having to pay higher wages and provide better working conditions because of labor shortages that didn't exist 10 years ago. You can GIS most of this but I have relatives that spend a lot of time in China buying everything from shoes to finished lumber and they have said it is costing more to do business there because of labor adn transportation costs.

In 1997, William Greider wrote a book called "One World..Ready or Not" about the Pacific Rim Syndrome that details the economic story of the Far East. Excellent book, especially if you are a union member.
 
2010-04-27 04:27:37 AM  
What I want to know is how can some simple things be so much better made? I have a blanket that was purchased around 1970 that is fine except the edging fell off and has been in use most of that time. I have wash clothes that my mother took from my grandmother over 50 years ago that are now falling apart. I have a 15 year old t-shirt that is promoting Tennessee tourism but the Chinese made shirts last less than a year.
 
2010-04-27 08:26:32 AM  
DON.MAC: I have a 15 year old t-shirt that is promoting Tennessee tourism but the Chinese made shirts last less than a year.

Hence, the expression "you get what you pay for." Too many people prefer saving money over getting quality.

On the bright side, clothes that fall apart inside of a year get thrown out before they go out of style.
 
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