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(Yahoo)   California has over 700 inmates on death row and has executed only 13 since 1977 costing more than $1 billion. Maybe it's time to leave the Dark Ages and kill capital punishment?   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2010-04-25 07:40:08 PM  
Time to add an express lane.
 
2010-04-25 07:43:31 PM  
in a country where we are pushing for younger and younger kids to be tried as adults? The same country where the government either stonewalls, sabatoges or launches criminal investigations into members of the Innocence Project and other watchdog groups? Not happening.
 
2010-04-25 07:46:17 PM  
What, and be even more like Canadians? I think not.
 
2010-04-25 07:51:33 PM  
South Central & Rampart police precincts of Los Angeles, the city of Philadelphia and the entire state of IL have been found to have engaged in rampant evidence forgery to secure convictions in cases where the cops "knew" who the guilty parties were.

Stories about coerced confessions come up every year. In Florida three people confessed to murdering a baby -- including the mother -- only to find out that a year previous she'd had a tubal ligation and the baby didn't even exist. The prosecutor justifies his insistence in keeping the mother in prison because "God" told him to ignore the facts of the woman's altered reproductive system. To push for justice. For a baby. That never existed.

Why not just "Life without parole unless you prove you didn't do it" ? Why isn't that good enough?
 
2010-04-25 07:54:07 PM  
Because it would not have cost anything if they were in maximum security instead. Amirite?

BGates: Time to add an express lane.


This.
 
2010-04-25 07:57:26 PM  
While I do believe that there are people who we as a society would be better off without, I can't support the death penalty. I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.
 
2010-04-25 08:03:29 PM  

AbsentFriends: Because it would not have cost anything if they were in maximum security instead. Amirite?


No but there wouldn't be multiple, automatic appeals. Or space in prisons that is essentially unusable 99.999% of the time which is an inefficiency. Or other various costs.
 
2010-04-25 08:06:37 PM  

BGates: Time to add an express lane.


Which is why project innocence is constantly freeing convicted murderers because they didn't actually do the crime... and why Texas convicted, and killed that man that has now been vindicated because the "fire investigator" used methods equivalent to "witchcraft and voodoo" to pin the fire on him.

I'd rather guilty men go free than even a single innocent man be put to death.
 
2010-04-25 08:08:48 PM  

AbsentFriends: Because it would not have cost anything if they were in maximum security instead. Amirite?

BGates: Time to add an express lane.

This.


Yeah, and express line in a capitol murder case. That's the kind of thing you want to rush along. No sense in being absolutely sure of someone's guilt before you kill someone.

I expect some of you to be callous; I accept that. We can't all be fuzzy liberals. But that fact that you are willing to possibly execute innocent people along the way, and increase the likelihood of doing so by expediting the legal process with the goal of saving farking money, that saddens me.

There is nothing more pathetic then valuing money over innocence and life.
 
2010-04-25 08:09:59 PM  

TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.


Agreed. I find it odd that Conservatives trust the government on this issue of life or death.
 
2010-04-25 08:12:08 PM  
I like having it on the books, but like any other law it's subject to manipulation by prosecutors with an eye on higher office. The simple solution to that is to save the death penalty for the worst of the worst, while coming down like a ton of bricks on death penalty evidence fraud. I wonder how many hot-shiat prosecutors with great camera presence and politician hair will press for the chair when they know that one bullshiat move will put them in with the general prison population.
 
2010-04-25 08:13:53 PM  

St_Francis_P: TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.

Agreed. I find it odd that Conservatives trust the government on this issue of life or death.


Indeed. I'm not sure why the "Do you want the TSA/DMV running your health care" crowd seems so convinced that the people who supposedly can't figure out how to get me a duplicate copy of my drivers license are suddenly imbued with wisdom when it comes to torturing Arabs or putting prisoners to death.
 
2010-04-25 08:27:27 PM  

BGates: Time to add an express lane.


Remember when our philosophy was "better a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent man hang"... ?

/or were you asleep for that part
//you = unamerican dickhole
 
2010-04-25 08:28:01 PM  

St_Francis_P: TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.

Agreed. I find it odd that Conservatives trust the government on this issue of life or death.


With wars as well, they don't have any problems there either.
 
2010-04-25 08:30:07 PM  

MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: Time to add an express lane.

Remember when our philosophy was "better a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent man hang"... ?

/or were you asleep for that part
//you = unamerican dickhole


Or you jump to conclusions and missed it being off of a quote from Ron White.

Lighten up a little it's Sunday.
 
2010-04-25 08:38:09 PM  
1: With 6 billion spares we can toss away the broken ones

2: The "Dark Ages" are a myth

3: It only costs 1 billion over 33 years. That's nothing.

4: If we take away the appeals process and go back to hanging them the next day, it would be really cheap.
 
2010-04-25 08:45:33 PM  

BGates: MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: Time to add an express lane.

Remember when our philosophy was "better a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent man hang"... ?

/or were you asleep for that part
//you = unamerican dickhole

Or you jump to conclusions and missed it being off of a quote from Ron White.

Lighten up a little it's Sunday.


My bad.

/sometimes can't tell who's joking around h-
//wait WHO THE fark IS RON WHITE?? lol
/googled him; am not familiar with that dude
 
2010-04-25 08:45:40 PM  
Just open their cells, keep Death Row in lockdown, and let the lone survivor of a televised Battle Royale get freedom.

'Course, a guy that could kill all the prisoners is too deadly to let live, so you take him around back and shoot him.
 
2010-04-25 08:47:29 PM  

TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.


Funny, I thought a jury decided.
 
2010-04-25 08:50:26 PM  

MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: Time to add an express lane.

Remember when our philosophy was "better a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent man hang"... ?

/or were you asleep for that part
//you = unamerican dickhole

Or you jump to conclusions and missed it being off of a quote from Ron White.

Lighten up a little it's Sunday.

My bad.

/sometimes can't tell who's joking around h-
//wait WHO THE fark IS RON WHITE?? lol
/googled him; am not familiar with that dude


Cool.
 
2010-04-25 08:53:40 PM  

TheOmni: While I do believe that there are people who we as a society would be better off without, I can't support the death penalty. I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.


The government doesn't decide who gets the death penalty, excepting as far as that the government is the people.
 
2010-04-25 09:16:04 PM  

AbsentFriends: Because it would not have cost anything if they were in maximum security instead. Amirite?


Sounds like subby would prefer that they all be freed. Because in twenty years some new test might come up that proves they were all innocent, or something.
 
2010-04-25 09:18:45 PM  
free them to work in green jobs, whoo hoooo
 
2010-04-25 10:01:19 PM  
Time to kill them more efficiently.

/Funny how California liberals don't care about cost when it comes to allowing illegals to bankrupt their state, ridiculous government spending (which bankrupted their state) or the healthcare bill, which is going to bankrupt our nation.
 
2010-04-25 10:22:16 PM  

Relatively Obscure: The government doesn't decide who gets the death penalty, excepting as far as that the government is the people.


As stated above, there are far too many cases (as in, more than 0) where the prosecuting body has tampered with or outright falsified evidence to obtain a politically expedient verdict. Honestly, when Rick Perry decided that he would cover up the fact that the state of Texas falsified evidence to convict a man by firing the head of the Forensic Commission, that was the last straw for me.
 
2010-04-25 10:29:16 PM  
If you can't be 100% positive they did the crime, don't have a death penalty. It's pretty bad when you find out a guy was innocent and the only thing you've got in response is... "Oops! My bad!"
 
2010-04-25 11:08:24 PM  

0 sigma: TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.

Funny, I thought a jury decided.


I think the main issue is competence here... you don't get that with a jury, either

As for letting guilty men go free rather than kill an innocent one... what about the people those free guilty men kill? How do they figure into it? And what of their unborn children?
 
2010-04-25 11:10:58 PM  
As long as we have money to burn, who cares?
 
2010-04-25 11:13:45 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Time to kill them more efficiently.

/Funny how California liberals don't care about cost when it comes to allowing illegals to bankrupt their state, ridiculous government spending (which bankrupted their state) or the healthcare bill, which is going to bankrupt our nation.


Ah - there's an unAmerican dickhole, now. Welcome, Redcoat.
 
2010-04-25 11:37:26 PM  

AmazingRuss: 0 sigma: TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.

Funny, I thought a jury decided.

I think the main issue is competence here... you don't get that with a jury, either



Wow, you just broke the backbone of our judicial system with that argument.
 
2010-04-25 11:39:15 PM  
I support the death penalty. Eye for an eye, etc. But the way we're doing it now is completely wrong. Instead of having an endless stream of automatic appeals, we should have to prove beyond *any* doubt that the accused is guilty in a capital murder case (which is what we're supposed to do in the first place in any criminal case). Then, give them maybe a couple of appeals. Then, instead of maybe being executed 10-15 years later, it takes a year or two tops. It's fair for the accused, and it's fair for the taxpayer.
 
2010-04-25 11:43:57 PM  

House of Tards: I'm not sure why the "Do you want the TSA/DMV running your health care" crowd seems so convinced that the people who supposedly can't figure out how to get me a duplicate copy of my drivers license are suddenly imbued with wisdom when it comes to torturing Arabs or putting prisoners to death.


I too am not sure about this. But I've long ago given up any hopes that conservatives actually maintain anything remotely resembling intellectually consistent beliefs.
 
2010-04-25 11:49:32 PM  
its more of a fair sentence to let them live the rest of their lives and prison. its not cruel and we don't have to pay costly lawyer fees.
 
2010-04-25 11:51:55 PM  

TheOmni: While I do believe that there are people who we as a society would be better off without, I can't support the death penalty. I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.


Privatize the Capital Punishment sector?
 
2010-04-25 11:53:37 PM  

0 sigma: AmazingRuss: 0 sigma: TheOmni: I just don't believe that the government have the right, competence, or integrity to decide something like that.

Funny, I thought a jury decided.

I think the main issue is competence here... you don't get that with a jury, either


Wow, you just broke the backbone of our judicial system with that argument.


All we can do competently is kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
 
2010-04-25 11:58:44 PM  
More innocent people die from accidents every day than being falsely accused of murder. Kill the farkers and move on. If you're going to value one innocent life, than value them all.
 
2010-04-26 12:07:31 AM  
Ah, I get it. Take them off death row, and keep them locked up for life, just like they are now. That will certainly save us all tons of money. Just where did you go to arithmetic school, submitter?
 
2010-04-26 12:07:34 AM  
If we let them fight each other in cage fights to the death, we could make the money back with broadcast advertising.
 
2010-04-26 12:15:48 AM  
We have more people in prison per capita than any other nation on earth. Something is wrong.
 
2010-04-26 12:17:44 AM  

torch: Ah, I get it. Take them off death row, and keep them locked up for life, just like they are now. That will certainly save us all tons of money. Just where did you go to arithmetic school, submitter?


You should probably look into how much money we spend per year for the average prison inmate versus the average death row inmate. Then you can attend this arithmetic school.
 
2010-04-26 12:17:50 AM  

manimal2878: We have more people in prison per capita than any other nation on earth. Something is wrong.


Yeah, damn deviants.
 
2010-04-26 12:33:10 AM  

torch: Ah, I get it. Take them off death row, and keep them locked up for life, just like they are now. That will certainly save us all tons of money. Just where did you go to arithmetic school, submitter?


That was my thought as well.
 
2010-04-26 12:49:12 AM  

oldebayer: AbsentFriends: Because it would not have cost anything if they were in maximum security instead. Amirite?

Sounds like subby would prefer that they all be freed. Because in twenty years some new test might come up that proves they were all innocent, or something.


Actually it is estimated that there would be substatial cost savings to the prison system by merely incarcerating them for life.Link (new window)

/subby
 
2010-04-26 12:52:49 AM  
Sorry, html fail. Copypasta.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/death-penalty-facts/death-pena​lty-cost/ p age.do?id=1101084

From the link.
In California the current sytem costs $137 million per year; it would cost $11.5 million for a system without the death penalty.
(California Commission for the Fair Administration of Justice, July 2008)
 
2010-04-26 12:57:15 AM  
Y'know, a couple boxes of bullets would save them millions of dollars a year.
I don't understand what the hold up with executions is, but then again, I've never really cared enough to look into it.

I vote for a "gas" station.
 
2010-04-26 12:58:10 AM  
Just change it to life without the possibility of parole. It's cheaper.
 
2010-04-26 12:59:33 AM  

Talon: I'd rather guilty men go free than even a single innocent man be put to death.


What happens when that guilty man goes free and later goes on to kill other innocent people? Recidivism is a problem with murderers.
 
2010-04-26 12:59:48 AM  
Don't kill or we'll kill you... eventually... or if your natural death takes you first.
 
2010-04-26 01:01:28 AM  

MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: MiddleyMcCentrist: BGates: Time to add an express lane.

Remember when our philosophy was "better a hundred guilty men go free than a single innocent man hang"... ?

/or were you asleep for that part
//you = unamerican dickhole

Or you jump to conclusions and missed it being off of a quote from Ron White.

Lighten up a little it's Sunday.

My bad.

/sometimes can't tell who's joking around h-
//wait WHO THE fark IS RON WHITE?? lol
/googled him; am not familiar with that dude


I like him as a stand-up. He's not in my top ten (or even close) but he's a funny guy.
 
2010-04-26 01:01:36 AM  

b2e44: More innocent people die from accidents every day than being falsely accused of murder. Kill the farkers and move on. If you're going to value one innocent life, than value them all.


What the fark kinda retardation is this?? I truly wish those people in accidents had not died- but that's why it's called an "accident". And this leads into just going ahead and killing people on death row (some of whom are innocent) how? How bout this dude- I VALUE ALL THEIR LIVES! But I can't do anything about the people involved in accidents.
 
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