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(Some Guy)   According to Sony's new EULA, they can enter your house at any time and break your PS3   (thinq.co.uk) divider line 86
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2010-04-22 02:07:10 PM
If only there were some device not owned by Sony that allowed you to play first person shooters online. Perhaps some varielty of computer, but personalised.
 
2010-04-22 02:45:17 PM
I don't have a PS3, but I'm willing to buy one and misuse it if the people Sony sends promise to bring their own body bags. Cleanup is a biatch.
 
2010-04-22 03:02:50 PM
tototototo: If only there were some device not owned by Sony that allowed you to play first person shooters online. Perhaps some varielty of computer, but personalised.

Yea... and perhaps it could be free of DRM restrictions, maybe even free to play...
 
2010-04-22 03:08:53 PM
Historically, Sony has offered you a stark choice. You either agree to pander to its whims and continue playing with your expensive toy in the way in which the company proscribes, or you can refuse to install mandatory updates and be left with a console which can't play the latest software titles or connect to the Internet.

Or, you know, don't buy a PS3 if it bother you so much.

/have a PS3, don't care. Hell, I only play two games on it.
 
2010-04-22 03:20:43 PM
Sony used to make excellent, cutting edge products for reasonable money, and they used to have the consumer in mind. Their eventual demise will only be sad in view of their glorious past.
 
2010-04-22 03:37:52 PM
As an Xbox 360 owner, I can only say that I'm sorry that my fellow gamers have to deal with this.

What, you were expecting schadenfreude? You wanted a picture of Nelson pointing and saying "HA HA" or some other cliche? Grow up.
 
2010-04-22 03:38:13 PM
Sony farks their customers over... so many stories.

Anyone who still buys their products is retarded.
 
2010-04-22 04:30:35 PM
wow, this is truly one of the worlds greatest atrocities. Save us fartbama!
 
2010-04-22 05:17:38 PM
That part of the EULA has been there since 1.0. This is not new. This is not a story.


/that doesn't mean I support Sony
 
2010-04-22 05:23:19 PM
Im outra... er... pertur... no.... um.... mildly amused? I don't know, someone tell me why I'm supposed to care?
 
2010-04-22 05:24:25 PM
Saborlas: As an Xbox 360 owner, I can only say that I'm sorry that my fellow gamers have to deal with this.

Because as a 360 owner, you know that Microsoft can do the same damn thing. In fact, they require you to update in order to use their service.
 
2010-04-22 05:25:00 PM
I laughed quietly to myself when someone pointed out that the PS3 was the first console to LOSE features with a firmware update.
 
2010-04-22 05:25:25 PM
Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!
 
2010-04-22 05:29:19 PM
tevye77: Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!

Awesome! I'll be representing the Wii!

/we're a rather nonviolent group. maybe a little immature, and not as pretty, but still fun nonetheless
 
2010-04-22 05:30:35 PM
BackAssward: Sony Every software and console vendor farks their customers over... so many stories.

Anyone who still buys their products is retarded.


See the problem is, even if you sit down and read these EULAs there is nothing you can do to change it anyways.. so who cares?

All you need to know is that these days when it comes to software and console hardware you pretty much own nothing and you pay for the privilege of playing the game.

sad state of affairs but what're you gonna do? not play the game? yeah right...
 
2010-04-22 05:33:24 PM
kittyhas1000legs: tevye77: Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!

Awesome! I'll be representing the Wii!

/we're a rather nonviolent group. maybe a little immature, and not as pretty, but still fun nonetheless


Yeah, we don't really have an offensive front so to speak, but our armistice parties are second-to-none.
 
2010-04-22 05:34:23 PM
tevye77: Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!

Genesis does what NintenDON'T.

Anyways, blah blah not a big fan of silent updates blah.
 
2010-04-22 05:35:45 PM
Screw XBox 360 and PS3. Pong pwns them all
 
2010-04-22 05:36:35 PM
kittyhas1000legs: tevye77: Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!

Awesome! I'll be representing the Wii!

/we're a rather nonviolent group. maybe a little immature, and not as pretty, but still fun nonetheless


Ah yes, the WiiRiot group. You're fun at parties, especially with the Wii Torch and Wii Crowbar
 
2010-04-22 05:37:46 PM
Guns, Dogs and crazy PS3 playing children

/come on in Sony
//fun times indeed
 
2010-04-22 05:39:57 PM
I think all three companies do this now, IE, you can't play certain titles without upgrading the firmware.
 
2010-04-22 05:49:42 PM
I don't play my ps3 on line so I think I'm going to call them up tomorrow and shut off my account. Shut off the account and you can do whatever you want with the ps3. I dont really want to put Linux on there but I want to be able to do it.
 
2010-04-22 05:50:18 PM
Historically, Sony has offered you a stark choice. You either agree to pander to its whims and continue playing with your expensive toy in the way in which the company proscribes, or you can refuse to install mandatory updates and be left with a console which can't play the latest software titles or connect to the Internet.

historically? no. This is the first console Sony has put out that has EVER had online updates for the hardware.

Newsflash, Sparky; software, drivers and firmware need updating from time to time. It's the nature of the beast. Had Sony ever put out a firmware update for the PS2 those blue-back games would be playable on the slimline models and you wouldn't need a farking PS1-formatted memory card to play PS1 games on the PS2.

and if any of you think for even a nanosecond that Microsoft and Nintendo won't ever do this...well...you wanna buy a bridge? I've got three really nice ones...in Brooklyn, San Diego and Saginaw.

hell...MS crippled the 360 from the start and then forced you into buying shiat that should've been included in the first place (HD-DVD, built-in wireless).
 
2010-04-22 05:53:02 PM
PS3 owner here that doesn't care a bit.

Only a very small number of very loud and very whiny people actually care about this or the loss of other OS.
 
2010-04-22 05:57:45 PM
spleef420: and if any of you think for even a nanosecond that Microsoft and Nintendo won't ever do this...well...you wanna buy a bridge? I've got three really nice ones...in Brooklyn, San Diego and Saginaw.

Nintendo seems to have started doing this. You can't use the Wii Shop Channel unless you install System 4.2. This update will also delete DVDX and the Homebrew Channel, overwrite common cIOS's, and render many modchips ineffective for out-of-region games. It's sad, I was looking forward to buying Sonic the Hedgehog 4 when it came out.
 
2010-04-22 05:58:56 PM
spleef420: Historically, Sony has offered you a stark choice. You either agree to pander to its whims and continue playing with your expensive toy in the way in which the company proscribes, or you can refuse to install mandatory updates and be left with a console which can't play the latest software titles or connect to the Internet.

historically? no. This is the first console Sony has put out that has EVER had online updates for the hardware.

Newsflash, Sparky; software, drivers and firmware need updating from time to time. It's the nature of the beast. Had Sony ever put out a firmware update for the PS2 those blue-back games would be playable on the slimline models and you wouldn't need a farking PS1-formatted memory card to play PS1 games on the PS2.

and if any of you think for even a nanosecond that Microsoft and Nintendo won't ever do this...well...you wanna buy a bridge? I've got three really nice ones...in Brooklyn, San Diego and Saginaw.

hell...MS crippled the 360 from the start and then forced you into buying shiat that should've been included in the first place (HD-DVD, built-in wireless).


So far the only mandatory Wii update I had to do was when I inserted my netflix disk. Other than that, they've all been optional.
 
2010-04-22 06:03:08 PM
Ika7734: Other than that, they've all been optional.

they won't be for much longer...see post above yours.
 
2010-04-22 06:08:17 PM
jevman: Im outra... er... pertur... no.... um.... mildly amused? I don't know, someone tell me why I'm supposed to care?

i40.tinypic.com
 
2010-04-22 06:11:07 PM
kittyhas1000legs: I was looking forward to buying Sonic the Hedgehog 4

Not sure if srs.
 
2010-04-22 06:12:16 PM
Ok, so this "authentication" of "pirated" material bothers me.

I have an external hard drive hooked up to my PS3. Will the PS3 scan that for whatever it thinks is pirated and erase the material?

How will it know? Is it just going to search for anything not downloaded through the Playstation Store and wipe it out?

I'm still not happy about them removing the Other OS option. It's actually one of the reasons I wanted a PS3 over an Xbox 360 in the first place. Not that getting an X360 would be much better, MS has it's own problems.

Also, the fact that I'd have to buy a completely new PS3 just to use Bravia Sync to get my Sony TV's remote to work with my Sony PS3 is little short of ridiculous.

I can't guarantee that this'd make me stop using the PS3 I have, but crap like this certainly makes me want to stop buying games for it or feeding any more money back into Sony.
 
2010-04-22 06:16:37 PM
timswar: Ok, so this "authentication" of "pirated" material bothers me.

it's bullshiat. There's no way to tell a legit copy of a DVD you own from a downloaded copy. What they'll likely look for is pirated games; not movies, music or TV.

now, if they EVER even CONSIDER removing local streaming capabilities, well, let's just say I have an SKS that hasn't been fired in several years. The PS3 would make for a nice 200-yard target.
 
2010-04-22 06:17:30 PM
Kar98: kittyhas1000legs: I was looking forward to buying Sonic the Hedgehog 4

Not sure if srs.


Quite srs. I have pretty much every console Sonic from the original through Sonic Heroes (ugh). Sonic 4 is supposed to be a 2D game very similar to the Genesis games. Of course, if I can't purchase it through their store, the only way to get it would be illegal.

/I have certain things installed so I can back up my legally purchased discs to an external drive. I do not condone piracy for the sake of piracy.
 
2010-04-22 06:20:46 PM
Toy_Cop: BackAssward: Sony Every software and console vendor farks their customers over... so many stories.

Anyone who still buys their products is retarded.

See the problem is, even if you sit down and read these EULAs there is nothing you can do to change it anyways.. so who cares?

All you need to know is that these days when it comes to software and console hardware you pretty much own nothing and you pay for the privilege of playing the game.

sad state of affairs but what're you gonna do? not play the game? yeah right...



False equivalence. Sony constantly does shiat to their customers. Know another company that installed a root kit, then a senior exec said that people shouldn't care since they don't even know what one is? Know another company who repacked SD cards into another shape so you have to buy from them and not use generic ones? The list is long, those are just the two I thought of now.

No, Sony farks over their customers. You have an "every company is bad, so buy sony" vibe going on.
 
2010-04-22 06:31:33 PM
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bring it on wiitards and crashbox360ers, get out of your mother's basement PC's!!1!

srsly though

is it just me and my ps3 or does fallout 3 (GOTY) lockup with a very unhealthy amount of frequency? did i miss a patch or somethin'?

is it just the 60gb models??

also i'm still miffed about the DLC for oblivion... careful Sony you're gunna blow it

/another straw on the camel's back
//BC is the main thing saving you at this point
///prolly gunna get GTA san andreas
 
2010-04-22 06:35:13 PM
Removing the "Install Other OS" feature was stupid. It was the ONLY change in that update. I never used that feature, but it just seems retarded to suddenly say to their customers "Remove this feature we gave you or we won't let you play online anymore".
 
2010-04-22 06:38:50 PM
XMark: suddenly say to their customers

suddenly?

every update has been required for online play (granted, they didn't remove any features until now, but the point still stands). this has been the case since the PS3 hit shelves.

it's no different for the 360 and the Wii will soon follow.
 
2010-04-22 06:41:55 PM
BackAssward: Toy_Cop: BackAssward: Sony Every software and console vendor farks their customers over... so many stories.

Anyone who still buys their products is retarded.

See the problem is, even if you sit down and read these EULAs there is nothing you can do to change it anyways.. so who cares?

All you need to know is that these days when it comes to software and console hardware you pretty much own nothing and you pay for the privilege of playing the game.

sad state of affairs but what're you gonna do? not play the game? yeah right...


False equivalence. Sony constantly does shiat to their customers. Know another company that installed a root kit, then a senior exec said that people shouldn't care since they don't even know what one is? Know another company who repacked SD cards into another shape so you have to buy from them and not use generic ones? The list is long, those are just the two I thought of now.

No, Sony farks over their customers. You have an "every company is bad, so buy sony" vibe going on.


Not even brah, I don't own a single sony product... well sorry I own a PS2 like every other gamer in the world :P that's about it.

I'm just saying in general, you have to accept EULAs or just not use the product. I think all these companies are assholes for the way they treat their customers but realistically what're you gonna do about it?
 
2010-04-22 06:44:53 PM
kittyhas1000legs
If you're smart enough to homebrew your Wii, be aware that you can update the Wii Shop Channel, etc., without upgrading to system menu 4.2. Also, 4.2 only deletes the HBC and DVDX channels if you haven't updated them since the 4.2 update. The update targeted the channels' hard-coded channel ticket ids (HAXX and DVDX, respectively). These ticket ids were altered right away and are update-proof against 4.2. It DOES try and kill cIOSes related to usb hard drives, of course, so extra work is necessary to un-stub them. However, even Wii Sports Resort works fine in a 4.1 HBC'd system without an update to 4.2. BootMii is partially hampered by 4.2.

Getting WSR to launch off a usb device requires more cIOS farkery, however.
 
2010-04-22 06:48:20 PM
Toy_Cop: I'm just saying in general, you have to accept EULAs or just not use the product. I think all these companies are assholes for the way they treat their customers but realistically what're you gonna do about it?

Well, since I have *specific* complaints with Sony for things they have actually done (not just vague possibilities of what a company could do)... what do I do? I don't buy Sony and remind others of what specifics I know that they do.

Rather than claim all companies are bad. Oh, and a EULA is not binding, it has been said so by courts a number of times.
 
2010-04-22 06:49:58 PM
tevye77: Uh oh. Let the fanboy wars begin!

Gameboy Color mother farker!

/still plays Pokemon Red
//think the little Pokewalker thing is nifty (I walk everywhere), but I can't justify the money on a DS
 
2010-04-22 06:54:08 PM
BackAssward: Toy_Cop: BackAssward: Sony Every software and console vendor farks their customers over... so many stories.

Anyone who still buys their products is retarded.

See the problem is, even if you sit down and read these EULAs there is nothing you can do to change it anyways.. so who cares?

All you need to know is that these days when it comes to software and console hardware you pretty much own nothing and you pay for the privilege of playing the game.

sad state of affairs but what're you gonna do? not play the game? yeah right...


False equivalence. Sony constantly does shiat to their customers. Know another company that installed a root kit, then a senior exec said that people shouldn't care since they don't even know what one is? Know another company who repacked SD cards into another shape so you have to buy from them and not use generic ones? The list is long, those are just the two I thought of now.

No, Sony farks over their customers. You have an "every company is bad, so buy sony" vibe going on.


Parts of Sony does, but it's almost a holding company rather then a unified company these days. The game division has always been rather good to it's customers. The ps3, for example, was a very open design, supporting USB storage devices, mice, keyboards, printers, etc, as well as adding all sorts of stuff like media center support for no cost to the user. The ps3 as it exists now is a lot more bang for the buck then it was at launch. Hell, it's the only console that lets you share downloaded games with up to 5 ps3's.
 
2010-04-22 06:56:12 PM
spleef420: XMark: suddenly say to their customers

suddenly?

every update has been required for online play (granted, they didn't remove any features until now, but the point still stands). this has been the case since the PS3 hit shelves.

it's no different for the 360 and the Wii will soon follow.


The "suddenly" was in reference to the removing of a feature rather than adding or updating.
 
2010-04-22 06:59:36 PM
Antimatter: The game division has always been rather good to it's customers. The ps3, for example, was a very open design, supporting USB storage devices, mice, keyboards, printers, etc, as well as adding all sorts of stuff like media center support for no cost to the user.

I think you mean console devision. The PC game devision is the one that installed root kits. But fair enough about them being a lose grouping of companies under one name... but clearly upper management is out of touch in general.
 
2010-04-22 07:07:33 PM
BackAssward: Antimatter: The game division has always been rather good to it's customers. The ps3, for example, was a very open design, supporting USB storage devices, mice, keyboards, printers, etc, as well as adding all sorts of stuff like media center support for no cost to the user.

I think you mean console devision. The PC game devision is the one that installed root kits. But fair enough about them being a lose grouping of companies under one name... but clearly upper management is out of touch in general.



That was Sony BMG, their old music division.
 
2010-04-22 07:08:34 PM
This phrase (which allows them to make changes ONLINE ONLY and only if you are signed into PSN) has been in the EULA since the system was released. Ill bet you a tenspot the eulas from the other vendors say something similiar.

The 'journalists' even admitted then didnt know what it used to say (being too lazy to do more than a 10 minute google) but they were going to write the article anyway.
 
2010-04-22 07:11:36 PM
Mearn: BackAssward: Antimatter: The game division has always been rather good to it's customers. The ps3, for example, was a very open design, supporting USB storage devices, mice, keyboards, printers, etc, as well as adding all sorts of stuff like media center support for no cost to the user.

I think you mean console devision. The PC game devision is the one that installed root kits. But fair enough about them being a lose grouping of companies under one name... but clearly upper management is out of touch in general.


That was Sony BMG, their old music division.


Right, I don't think they even make PC games.
 
2010-04-22 07:12:53 PM
Mearn: That was Sony BMG, their old music division.

I stand corrected sir. Now that you reminded me, yes I remember that now.
 
2010-04-22 07:13:30 PM
kittyhas1000legs: spleef420: and if any of you think for even a nanosecond that Microsoft and Nintendo won't ever do this...well...you wanna buy a bridge? I've got three really nice ones...in Brooklyn, San Diego and Saginaw.

Nintendo seems to have started doing this. You can't use the Wii Shop Channel unless you install System 4.2. This update will also delete DVDX and the Homebrew Channel, overwrite common cIOS's, and render many modchips ineffective for out-of-region games. It's sad, I was looking forward to buying Sonic the Hedgehog 4 when it came out.


Already taken care of in the usb loader softmods.... walks away whistling
 
2010-04-22 07:28:28 PM
XMark: The "suddenly" was in reference to the removing of a feature rather than adding or updating.

Semantics. All firmware updates are required for online use. It's been this way from day one and applies to all three "next-gen" systems.
 
2010-04-22 07:31:21 PM
Barbigazi: wow, this is truly one of the worlds greatest atrocities. Save us fartbama!

WTF?
 
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