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2010-04-21 12:41:56 PM  
"Locke explains to Jack-who looks like he just remembered he had left the iron on at his apartment"

An excellent description, for both he and Sayid.
 
2010-04-21 12:53:14 PM  
FTFA: Why, he's at the office of his attorney-Ilana Radzinsky (yeah, the DHARMA Radzinsky!)

I missed that last night. I recall hearing the last name but didn't catch it was Radzinski.

Last night was incredibly fast paced and I'm definitely going to need to re-watch it some time before they come back in 2 weeks. I'm glad that the previous episodes were really just an intricate setup to get all of the pieces in place and where they needed to be for the finale. Could they have done it a bit faster? Sure. But I'm just glad we're close to the end and things are really, really happening now.
 
2010-04-21 01:14:18 PM  

bberg: I missed that last night. I recall hearing the last name but didn't catch it was Radzinski.


"Desmond Hume to see Miss Rodanski, please."

Or however you spell it. It wasn't Radzinski.
 
rmz
2010-04-21 01:31:31 PM  
The final episode will consist of the camera panning out to an autistic child playing with a snow globe containing an island.
 
2010-04-21 01:35:28 PM  
I got the distinct impression that busted up Locke in Never Crashed Land was evil, too. Something about a very brief look on his face while he was being wheeled around. Anyone else notice that?
 
2010-04-21 01:40:25 PM  
Get off my damn boat.
 
2010-04-21 01:42:11 PM  
Pretty sure Ilana's last name is not Radzinscky.
 
2010-04-21 01:43:30 PM  
I just hope Hurley didn't get hit with a missile.
 
2010-04-21 01:50:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Pretty sure Ilana's last name is not Radzinscky.


According to Lostpedia, it's Verdansky, of the firm Sweetzer & Verdansky.
 
2010-04-21 01:52:51 PM  

coyote71: DamnYankees: Pretty sure Ilana's last name is not Radzinscky.

According to Lostpedia, it's Verdansky, of the firm Sweetzer & Verdansky.


Sweetzer, btw, is the street where Desmond and Penny were going to get coffee in the alt-verse.

/only remember that because it's in the neighborhood I grew up
 
2010-04-21 02:02:47 PM  
The final episode will consist of the camera panning out to an autistic child playing with a snow globe containing an island.


Sawyer will wake up in bed beside Juliet and say, in that raspy voice, "Blondie, you should wear more sweaters."
 
2010-04-21 02:03:24 PM  

DamnYankees: Pretty sure Ilana's last name is not Radzinscky.


Yeah, checked Lostpedia and they're pretty good at things like that, said it wasn't.

"Sweetzer & Verdansky" sounds like an anagram.
 
2010-04-21 02:05:23 PM  
I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery? V and Flashforward are horrible and won't last. I can't think of any others. Even something like Fringe (which I hear is only meh) is like 75% standalone episodes. I don't know if any networks are willing to risk that kind of planning anymore.
 
2010-04-21 02:18:36 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery? V and Flashforward are horrible and won't last. I can't think of any others. Even something like Fringe (which I hear is only meh) is like 75% standalone episodes. I don't know if any networks are willing to risk that kind of planning anymore.


I'm going to have a good book waiting in the wings. I know I'm going to have that empty feeling I often get when I finish a good book or movie. I'm thinking Umberto Eco.
 
2010-04-21 02:19:14 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery?



May not be serialized but I've been Enjoying Stargate universe.
 
2010-04-21 02:19:54 PM  

UberDave: DamnYankees: I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery?


May not be serialized but I've been Enjoying Stargate universe.


Is that the series that has the engineer from Firefly on it? I've never seen a single episode of any stargate series.
 
2010-04-21 02:24:49 PM  

bberg: "Sweetzer & Verdansky" sounds like an anagram.


Tweezers and Darks Envy

What does that mean???? DAMN IT LOST WRITERS, QUIT POSING MORE QUESTIONS WHEN THE SHOW IT ABOUT TO END!!!
 
2010-04-21 02:31:19 PM  
SPOILER ALERT - why do people need this in a LOST thread?

Sooo at the end...was Jack healed by El Hombre En Negro? The blood on his face and neck was gone.

If so, that'd explain the "You're with me now" line, since presumably Sayid and Claire were both healed this way.
 
2010-04-21 02:43:23 PM  

blackminded: If so, that'd explain the "You're with me now" line, since presumably Sayid and Claire were both healed this way.


I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Jack "died" in the explosion and now he's "infected" and part of the MiB clan.
 
2010-04-21 03:05:19 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery? V and Flashforward are horrible and won't last. I can't think of any others.


Heros. Which is also horrible.
 
2010-04-21 03:13:17 PM  

DamnYankees: I'm gonna be sad when Lost is gone, not just because I love it, but now with both Lost and BSG off the air, are there any shows left that are telling a serialized, dramatic mystery? V and Flashforward are horrible and won't last. I can't think of any others. Even something like Fringe (which I hear is only meh) is like 75% standalone episodes. I don't know if any networks are willing to risk that kind of planning anymore.


I thought last night's V was pretty good. It kind of seemed like the plot was moving somewhere.
 
2010-04-21 03:21:17 PM  
Jorge Garcia was in a movie called Sweetzer and it was an injoke.

Link
 
2010-04-21 03:21:38 PM  
Oh, and whoever that kid actor is playing Jack's son is going to be a real ladykiller when he grows up.
 
2010-04-21 03:35:02 PM  

Diogenes: Oh, and whoever that kid actor is playing Jack's son is going to be a real ladykiller when he grows up.


I thought it was hilarious how he was trying to emulate Jack. Mini-Me!
 
2010-04-21 03:41:59 PM  

bberg: blackminded: If so, that'd explain the "You're with me now" line, since presumably Sayid and Claire were both healed this way.

I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Jack "died" in the explosion and now he's "infected" and part of the MiB clan.


Except that we saw Jack's first-person perspective when he's momentarily deafened by the missile. I don't think he died.
 
2010-04-21 04:01:04 PM  

bberg: I'm pretty sure that's what happened. Jack "died" in the explosion and now he's "infected" and part of the MiB clan.


I thought of that for a second, but I think they'd have made it more obvious Jack was really dead. I think Flocke just thinks he's "with him" because Jack jumped off the boat and then was rescued by Flocke.

However Jack was adamant for a bit that their purpose was to stop Flocke getting off the island. Wonder if he'll keep that perspective after being on the receiving end of a rocket attack from Widmore.

And as for "infected", look at Sayid. I'm pretty sure (uncornfirmed) he refused to kill Desmond after Flocke's order to do it, even though Sayid is "infected". And Claire is seemingly ditching Flocke, though I guess we can't be sure what she's up to since she's crazy.

Still not sure why Flocke didn't kill Desmond himself instead of just throwing him down a well.
 
2010-04-21 04:02:14 PM  

Shostie: I thought last night's V was pretty good. It kind of seemed like the plot was moving somewhere


Really? I'm trying to get into it but it needs to start picking up.
 
2010-04-21 04:06:14 PM  

Mugato: Shostie: I thought last night's V was pretty good. It kind of seemed like the plot was moving somewhere

Really? I'm trying to get into it but it needs to start picking up.


Well, they're unleashing Soldiers next week, so you may get your wish.
 
2010-04-21 04:07:25 PM  
Great episode. A couple of things about last night:

1. Did anyone notice how for a second there Sayid seemed to be the pre-zombie Sayid when he told Flocke, "I just shot a man. I needed a moment." Not merely the words, but the intonation sounded like old Sayid. So that makes me wonder whether or not people can be "saved" from the dark side, i.e. Sayid and Claire. Claire also seemed to soften when Kate mentioned Aaron.

2. A lot of people seem to think Jack died and since Flocke brought him back to life he will be the next Flocke. That seems unlikely to me simply because Jack's character has actually gone through so much development and he's gotten to the point where he can let go of all the demons that had been haunting him previously. Considering that, why would the writers want to take his character there? (Besides obviously trying to fark with our heads.) Also, there was literally no moment where he could have been dead. We saw what was going on after the missile from his perspective. He died on the way to the tree?
 
2010-04-21 04:09:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Still not sure why Flocke didn't kill Desmond himself instead of just throwing him down a well.


Maybe because he knows he can't? The "rules" somehow? (Particularly if Desmond is the new Jacob?)
 
2010-04-21 04:13:23 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Still not sure why Flocke didn't kill Desmond himself instead of just throwing him down a well.


My thinking.....

- Jacob and MIB cannot act directly against each other. It's always through a proxy.

- Jacob's dead, leaving us with his potential replacements.

- Until a replacement is chosen, MIB can't act against any of the candidates directly.

The problem there being that Desmond isn't a candidate. Nor do I think he has a number at all.

Could it be that he was inoculated by Kelvin Inman when he became his replacement in the hatch? The vials had the magic candidate numbers on them.
 
2010-04-21 04:14:50 PM  

coco ebert: Maybe because he knows he can't? The "rules" somehow? (Particularly if Desmond is the new Jacob?)


But to part of my point above, Desmond isn't a real candidate. I think he's just the proverbial cork in the bottle.
 
2010-04-21 04:16:10 PM  
Is there any reason for us to think that Flocke will have a replacement? I know Jacob was searching for one, but where does the replacement for Flocke idea come from?
 
2010-04-21 04:17:23 PM  

Mugato: Shostie: I thought last night's V was pretty good. It kind of seemed like the plot was moving somewhere

Really? I'm trying to get into it but it needs to start picking up.


Well, the Cabal of main characters (priest who was on the 4400, chick from Lost, black guy and other guy) captured a guy assassinating members of the resistance. Turns out he's human and seems to work for the V's out of a sense of fatalism.

Also the V's developed an empathy test to figure out which of them are becoming "too human." Apparently when some spend too much time around us they lose the V's coldness. The leader's daughter, who's previous role seemed to be standing around and smiling while looking f*ckable, failed the test. So there's that. Even if this plot thread becomes stupid, it'll still mean more screen time for her, though she's looking a bit more malnourished these days.

Oh, and black guy's pregnant girlfriend is starting to suspect that there's something weird about her baby.

Overall, there was pleasing forward momentum.
 
2010-04-21 04:19:05 PM  

Diogenes: coco ebert: Maybe because he knows he can't? The "rules" somehow? (Particularly if Desmond is the new Jacob?)

But to part of my point above, Desmond isn't a real candidate. I think he's just the proverbial cork in the bottle.


The whole surviving a massive EM blast thing might have something to do with it, as well.
 
2010-04-21 04:20:25 PM  

Shostie: Mugato: Shostie: I thought last night's V was pretty good. It kind of seemed like the plot was moving somewhere

Really? I'm trying to get into it but it needs to start picking up.

Well, the Cabal of main characters (priest who was on the 4400, chick from Lost, black guy and other guy) captured a guy assassinating members of the resistance. Turns out he's human and seems to work for the V's out of a sense of fatalism.

Also the V's developed an empathy test to figure out which of them are becoming "too human." Apparently when some spend too much time around us they lose the V's coldness. The leader's daughter, who's previous role seemed to be standing around and smiling while looking f*ckable, failed the test. So there's that. Even if this plot thread becomes stupid, it'll still mean more screen time for her, though she's looking a bit more malnourished these days.

Oh, and black guy's pregnant girlfriend is starting to suspect that there's something weird about her baby.

Overall, there was pleasing forward momentum.


I liked the obvious friction between Anna and who I presume was the UN Secretary General. Someone's looking at some time in the reprogramming chamber.
 
2010-04-21 04:20:46 PM  

Diogenes: coco ebert: Maybe because he knows he can't? The "rules" somehow? (Particularly if Desmond is the new Jacob?)

But to part of my point above, Desmond isn't a real candidate. I think he's just the proverbial cork in the bottle.


Right, I forgot that. But with the whole explosion, Constant stuff going on, he's got special cross-over power so he does fit as a type of cork.
 
2010-04-21 04:21:10 PM  

Shostie: Diogenes: coco ebert: Maybe because he knows he can't? The "rules" somehow? (Particularly if Desmond is the new Jacob?)

But to part of my point above, Desmond isn't a real candidate. I think he's just the proverbial cork in the bottle.

The whole surviving a massive EM blast thing might have something to do with it, as well.


That's what makes him the cork in the bottle (island).
 
2010-04-21 05:10:45 PM  
tallguywithglasseson: Still not sure why Flocke didn't kill Desmond himself instead of just throwing him down a well.

i don't think either jacob or mib want to get their hands dirty. if someone else can do it, they've always preferred that a real live person do that job.

also, i'm not sure that mib is the bad guy. i'm not sure he's a good guy, either, i think both jacob and mib will end up being somewhere outside of good and evil lines.
 
2010-04-21 05:20:12 PM  

f00f: also, i'm not sure that mib is the bad guy. i'm not sure he's a good guy, either, i think both jacob and mib will end up being somewhere outside of good and evil lines.


"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

It's a matter of perspective. Very relativistic. How many times have the writers made us go back and forth on the characters? Yin and Yang - opposing, but related and inextricable opposites.
 
2010-04-21 05:31:32 PM  
*braindump*

I do like how the decisions the Losties (do or don't) make are clearly affecting their state of being in sideways world. A lot of these "endgame" decisions are yet to be seen, but here are a few that I'm seeing.

Sayid is being punished by getting what he was promised, then taken away again.
Kate is being punished by still living a life on the run.
Jin and Sun survived a disaster, so apparently they made the right moves.
Ben is being rewarded by living a peaceful life as a teacher with a positive relationship with is father.

And so on.

All of that is still subject to change, of course.
 
2010-04-21 05:42:14 PM  

star_topology: *braindump*

I do like how the decisions the Losties (do or don't) make are clearly affecting their state of being in sideways world. A lot of these "endgame" decisions are yet to be seen, but here are a few that I'm seeing.

Sayid is being punished by getting what he was promised, then taken away again.
Kate is being punished by still living a life on the run.
Jin and Sun survived a disaster, so apparently they made the right moves.
Ben is being rewarded by living a peaceful life as a teacher with a positive relationship with is father.

And so on.

All of that is still subject to change, of course.


Sayid, Kate and everyone else who bad things happen to in the Sideways aren't being punished. These things need to happen. Kate can get herself acquited, Sayid can get himself deported and Nadia can chase after him, and Locke gets his magic surgery.
 
2010-04-21 05:43:40 PM  
Must stay out of thread... have not seen last nights episode...

Must stay out of thread... have not seen last nights episode...
 
2010-04-21 05:44:36 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Still not sure why Flocke didn't kill Desmond himself instead of just throwing him down a well.


I'm thinking it was a test to see where Sayid was mentally.

Maybe he doesn't really need Desmond to be dead, but he wanted to see if Sayid had gone completely to the dark side. Killing an unarmed former friend would have proven that he was fully gone.

He also didn't seem interested enough in whether Desmond actually was dead. It would have taken him 2 seconds to turn to smoke, go to the well to check and come back.
 
2010-04-21 05:48:47 PM  
The last scene will be the alt-reality Losties getting on a plane. The plane will crash. The show comes full circle.
 
2010-04-21 05:50:14 PM  
THEY TOOK MY SON!
 
2010-04-21 05:58:02 PM  

jj325: The last scene will be the alt-reality Losties getting on a plane. The plane will crash. The show comes full circle.


They already did that. End of Season 3? Or was that Locke in the Box?
 
2010-04-21 06:01:35 PM  
"This was the episode of Sawyer one-liners. You know, seriously, for a guy who's been quoting Star Wars as much as he does, Sawyer disappointed me with his bullshiat question to Hurley."

Have I missed something? Hasn't it always been Hurley that quotes Star Wars?
 
2010-04-21 06:02:31 PM  
Someone has probably mentioned this, but aren't they trying a little too hard to tie up the loose ends before the series ends?

Example from last night: Jack asks pseudo-Locke whether he appeared as his father. Pseudo-Locke confirms it. It takes five seconds to wrap up a mystery that lasted 2-3 seasons.

Example from the prior week: Hurley and crew hear the "whispers" in the jungle. Everyone is scared, but Hurley says, "Wait a minute" and then walks 10 feet to a "secluded" part of the jungle. He calls for Michael, who instantly appears and confirms that the "whispers" are the lost souls trapped on the island. Again, five seconds to wrap up a mystery that lasted 2-3 seasons.

During those moments, I almost expected Hurley and Jack to look into the camera and say, "Everyone get it? Good."
 
2010-04-21 06:02:53 PM  

Obscure Login: Maybe he doesn't really need Desmond to be dead, but he wanted to see if Sayid had gone completely to the dark side. Killing an unarmed former friend would have proven that he was fully gone.


I think he really wants him dead. Desmond's lack of fear really seemed to bother Flocke and I think he doesn't want any loose ends hanging about.
 
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