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(Some Guy)   After a thorough investigation, transit agency officials have decided there's no need for BART cops to have tasers. After all, who needs a taser when you can use a real gun to shoot an unarmed guy in the back?   (ktvu.com) divider line 55
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2010-04-16 01:13:16 PM  
jasond456.tripod.com

Does not approve.
 
2010-04-16 01:14:46 PM  
Done in one.

/Fain.
 
2010-04-16 01:16:16 PM  
*tases Tripod.com hotlinker*
 
2010-04-16 01:17:38 PM  
A drive by tazering?
/yeah, capping a 13 year old on a bike from your squad seems so much more appropriate.
 
2010-04-16 01:17:41 PM  
Blam blam blam!

Freeze! or I'll shoot.
 
2010-04-16 01:18:36 PM  
www.heyprestomagic.com.au
 
2010-04-16 01:19:07 PM  
Jack, Jack, never come back,
Milligan, Killigan, shot 'im in the back.

/obscure?
 
2010-04-16 01:19:23 PM  
I know little of the men and women who serve among the ranks of the BART cops, but I'd like to think that if they only had a gun, they'd show more restraint. However that probably won't be the case.
 
2010-04-16 01:23:17 PM  
I live in Richmond where major, horrific crimes are committed by boys in their early to mid teens all the time, so I am not completely without sympathy to BART cops.

/suspects if I had the right to tazer I'd be tazering a lot of BART riders, but then I'm kind of an impatient person
 
2010-04-16 01:23:55 PM  
Ranger Hans: I know little of the men and women who serve among the ranks of the BART cops, but I'd like to think that if they only had a gun, they'd show more restraint. However that probably won't be the case.

Nope, just ask this guy(although you'd need a Ouija board):

skepticalbrotha.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-04-16 01:25:18 PM  
Killing unarmed civilians is the American way. If we don't do it here, on our own soil, what gives us the right to do it in Afghanistan and Iraq? We need to be setting the example.
 
2010-04-16 01:26:39 PM  
Don't forget handcuffed.
 
2010-04-16 01:31:18 PM  
as long as they dont bother me as I drink my 30-pack en route to the next A's game at that lovely stadium i'm alright
 
2010-04-16 01:38:49 PM  
BART smells funny. I remember when i used to work in Concord, commuting from hayward, I would get stuck to either a chatty kathy, someone who smelled like pee, or someone who smelled like starch.

do not miss those days.
 
2010-04-16 01:48:44 PM  
beer4breakfast: Ranger Hans: I know little of the men and women who serve among the ranks of the BART cops, but I'd like to think that if they only had a gun, they'd show more restraint. However that probably won't be the case.

Nope, just ask this guy(although you'd need a Ouija board):


At least part of the argument in that case is that the cop thought he was reaching for his taser and accidentally reached for (and discharged) his firearm instead. Now, that may be a complete bullshiat argument, but it's at least possible. Note that the cop is still 100% to blame and is completely guilty of murder, but maybe, just maybe, he did make that mistake. So maybe taking the taser away will put a half-second's more thought into reaching for your weapon.

Probably not, though.

/doesn't envy cops, doesn't trust them, either. Even if you start off as a good person that becomes a cop, it has to be incredibly difficult to remain a good person once you've become one.
 
2010-04-16 01:50:28 PM  
islampoetry.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-04-16 01:53:44 PM  
chechcal: beer4breakfast: Ranger Hans: I know little of the men and women who serve among the ranks of the BART cops, but I'd like to think that if they only had a gun, they'd show more restraint. However that probably won't be the case.

Nope, just ask this guy(although you'd need a Ouija board):

At least part of the argument in that case is that the cop thought he was reaching for his taser and accidentally reached for (and discharged) his firearm instead. Now, that may be a complete bullshiat argument, but it's at least possible. Note that the cop is still 100% to blame and is completely guilty of murder, but maybe, just maybe, he did make that mistake. So maybe taking the taser away will put a half-second's more thought into reaching for your weapon.

Probably not, though.

/doesn't envy cops, doesn't trust them, either. Even if you start off as a good person that becomes a cop, it has to be incredibly difficult to remain a good person once you've become one.


Different kind of handle, different location on the belt (often on the opposite side of the body from the service weapon). Yeah, that's a bullshiat argument.
 
2010-04-16 01:55:27 PM  
So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?
 
2010-04-16 01:56:47 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?
 
2010-04-16 01:57:39 PM  
If all you have is a hammer, everyone starts looking like bulls eyes
 
2010-04-16 02:02:31 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?


What else are they supposed to do let him get away?
 
2010-04-16 02:03:23 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?


Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.
 
2010-04-16 02:03:54 PM  
Can't we just go back to beatings...

/misses the olden days
 
2010-04-16 02:05:03 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?


badump-badump
 
2010-04-16 02:10:14 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.


So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.
 
2010-04-16 02:14:08 PM  
¡aye carumba!
 
2010-04-16 02:17:18 PM  
Can they still use hammers?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-04-16 02:18:27 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.


Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."
 
2010-04-16 02:22:03 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.

Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."


So would it be ok to tase them if they were on foot? What good is chasing someone if you aren't willing to bring them down with force should they not stop? While it is poor judgment to tase someone on a bicycle where they could get run over, I don't see an issue tasing them when they are on a bike. It all depends on the circumstances also, if the suspect just shot someone and is running away - I don't feel bad at all if the asshat busts their skull open from a fall.
 
2010-04-16 02:29:07 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.

Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."

So would it be ok to tase them if they were on foot? What good is chasing someone if you aren't willing to bring them down with force should they not stop? While it is poor judgment to tase someone on a bicycle where they could get run over, I don't see an issue tasing them when they are on a bike. It all depends on the circumstances also, if the suspect just shot someone and is running away - I don't feel bad at all if the asshat busts their skull open from a fall.


If there's no direct threat to your (or someone else's) person or property, taser is not an option.
 
2010-04-16 02:32:43 PM  
At least they won't mistake their gun for a taser!

(amIdoingitright?)
 
2010-04-16 02:42:43 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.

Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."

So would it be ok to tase them if they were on foot? What good is chasing someone if you aren't willing to bring them down with force should they not stop? While it is poor judgment to tase someone on a bicycle where they could get run over, I don't see an issue tasing them when they are on a bike. It all depends on the circumstances also, if the suspect just shot someone and is running away - I don't feel bad at all if the asshat busts their skull open from a fall.

If there's no direct threat to your (or someone else's) person or property, taser is not an option.


I disagree I think that the taser should be employed as a stopping mechanism if the subject does not respond to clear commands to stop after the officers have identified who they are, otherwise you would have to get into range of a fleeing suspect to physically tackle them which could cause both the officer and suspect injuries and a wrestling match could ensue.
 
2010-04-16 02:50:19 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.

Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."

So would it be ok to tase them if they were on foot? What good is chasing someone if you aren't willing to bring them down with force should they not stop? While it is poor judgment to tase someone on a bicycle where they could get run over, I don't see an issue tasing them when they are on a bike. It all depends on the circumstances also, if the suspect just shot someone and is running away - I don't feel bad at all if the asshat busts their skull open from a fall.

If there's no direct threat to your (or someone else's) person or property, taser is not an option.

I disagree I think that the taser should be employed as a stopping mechanism if the subject does not respond to clear commands to stop after the officers have identified who they are, otherwise you would have to get into range of a fleeing suspect to physically tackle them which could cause both the officer and suspect injuries and a wrestling match could ensue.


I reject the implicit assertion that the taser would cause less harm than a potential wrestling match. Hence my stance.
 
2010-04-16 02:54:39 PM  
Man, I can't believe this shiat is still dragging out. Oh wait, yes I can.

Murder? Not a chance. Negligent homicide or manslaughter or something? Yup - a police officer needs to be held to a very high standard.

At any rate, I don't shed too many tears over this loser that the cop killed. The is the kind of thing of legend, myth and fantasy in a farked up place like Oakland.
 
2010-04-16 02:55:10 PM  
i think that with tasers, cops are a little more trigger happy, and are quicker to resolve an issue with tasing someone, when it might not even neccesarily be needed.

in this case, it is very sad that this kid was killed. while face down and handcuffed. Even if he was being a little wriggly (which is all he was doing by the look of the footage, just wriggling around) and talking trash, tasing him was STILL NOT even necessary! I think the Bart-Cop used poor judgment, was a little scared, caught up in the moment, and not well trained.

just my opinion.
 
2010-04-16 02:57:05 PM  
netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: netweavr: the money is in the banana stand: So if you are 13 you can do whatever the fark you want and instead of being a suspect you are instead labeled as a victim? Why exactly is using a taser on a fleeing suspect who won't stop an issue? So if they run, you can't do anything but chase them and yell sternly at them?

Tasering them from a moving vehicle while they're on a bike? What happens when the kid falls in front of the car?

What else are they supposed to do let him get away?

Yes. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent die.

So if someone runs you can never chase them because you might scare them into oncoming traffic or something bad might happen to them? While it is unfortunate, don't farking run from the cops.

Who said "don't chase?" I said "don't taser from a moving vehicle."

So would it be ok to tase them if they were on foot? What good is chasing someone if you aren't willing to bring them down with force should they not stop? While it is poor judgment to tase someone on a bicycle where they could get run over, I don't see an issue tasing them when they are on a bike. It all depends on the circumstances also, if the suspect just shot someone and is running away - I don't feel bad at all if the asshat busts their skull open from a fall.

If there's no direct threat to your (or someone else's) person or property, taser is not an option.

I disagree I think that the taser should be employed as a stopping mechanism if the subject does not respond to clear commands to stop after the officers have identified who they are, otherwise you would have to get into range of a fleeing suspect to physically tackle them which could cause both the officer and suspect injuries and a wrestling match could ensue.

I reject the implicit assertion that the taser would cause less harm than a potential wrestling match. Hence my stance.


Fair enough, however the officer stands little to no chance of harm with using a taser and the odds they will be injured go way up in the event they must wrestle with the fleeing suspect. While I have run into my fair share of bad cops, I still think they need the tools and ability to do their job that minimizes the chance they will be injured/killed and maximizes their chances of apprehending a suspect. I respect the importance of the fleeing suspect's health however if used "properly" I am not convinced the odds they will be grievously injured is remotely a possibility.
 
2010-04-16 02:58:34 PM  
Mr Rusty Shackleford

Struggling teenage father=loser, eh? Eat a dick, you shiatwad...
 
2010-04-16 03:00:40 PM  
So you drive up beside a 13 year old on a bike and manage to hit him with the taser. When he goes slack and eats the pavement, he's probably going to hurt himself more than if he could brace himself. I wonder how you would justify it when they catch you on tape making him crash headfirst into the pavement and his skull getting cracked.
 
2010-04-16 03:00:58 PM  
FlippityFlap: Struggling teenage father=loser, eh? Eat a dick, you shiatwad...

Thanks, I'll pass. All of the gang bangers in oakland and hayward are "strugging teenage fathers" who are "trying to turn their life around".
 
2010-04-16 03:17:58 PM  
FlippityFlap: Mr Rusty Shackleford

Struggling teenage father=loser, eh? Eat a dick, you shiatwad...


If he was such an upstanding young struggling father as you say, why was he not at home with his daughter instead of being on BART at 2am on New Year's Day?

1) I would hardly call a 23 year old a "teenager."
2) I would hardly call someone who spent most of his daughter's life in prison a "father." Sperm donor, yes. Father, no.
3) Recidivist inmate != struggling.
 
2010-04-16 03:19:38 PM  
Wow, this headline really managed to mangle the facts. The ban is temporary until officers get more training. Facts, who needs them?
 
2010-04-16 03:26:33 PM  
smittyrn: So you drive up beside a 13 year old on a bike and manage to hit him with the taser. When he goes slack and eats the pavement, he's probably going to hurt himself more than if he could brace himself. I wonder how you would justify it when they catch you on tape making him crash headfirst into the pavement and his skull getting cracked.

Evading arrest. Did not stop to verbal commands when the officers identified themselves. Suspect was being pursued from the scene of the crime. How else do you propose stopping someone fleeing on a bicycle or running if you cannot physically reach them? The only other option I heard proposed here is to let them get away because the fleeing suspect could be injured. If you are running from the farking cops, you are taking on that liability. Granted there are certain procedures that should be followed and some discretion.

We aren't talking about cops riding around and tasing kids for fun.
 
2010-04-16 03:39:49 PM  
chechcal: beer4breakfast: Ranger Hans: I know little of the men and women who serve among the ranks of the BART cops, but I'd like to think that if they only had a gun, they'd show more restraint. However that probably won't be the case.

Nope, just ask this guy(although you'd need a Ouija board):

At least part of the argument in that case is that the cop thought he was reaching for his taser and accidentally reached for (and discharged) his firearm instead. Now, that may be a complete bullshiat argument, but it's at least possible. Note that the cop is still 100% to blame and is completely guilty of murder, but maybe, just maybe, he did make that mistake. So maybe taking the taser away will put a half-second's more thought into reaching for your weapon.

Probably not, though.

/doesn't envy cops, doesn't trust them, either. Even if you start off as a good person that becomes a cop, it has to be incredibly difficult to remain a good person once you've become one.


Sounds like someone has been watching too many Hollywood flicks again.
 
2010-04-16 03:40:35 PM  
images.amazon.com

Stop! Or...I'll say "Stop!" again!
 
2010-04-16 03:50:29 PM  
I feel dirty every time I sit on those seats.
 
2010-04-16 03:55:38 PM  
Office that shot the handcuffed, unarmed man lying face down on the ground was almost definitely not even carrying a taser.

/Just throwing my $0.02 into the discussion.
 
2010-04-16 04:16:43 PM  
That's just freakish.: Office that shot the handcuffed, unarmed man lying face down on the ground was almost definitely not even carrying a taser.

/Just throwing my $0.02 into the discussion.


Unless he was going against regs and had it on his gun side.

Also, a link to a blog to a known agitator of police? I'm sure that his opinion isn't biased AT ALL.

Given that that photo is not conclusive in any shape or form that he was not carrying a taser and cannot be proven to be from the night in question, I have a hard time taking what Carlos Miller states as fact, especially when this is the first line of the column: "BART police officer Johannes Mehserle shot and killed Oscar Grant in cold blood. That much is certain."
 
2010-04-16 04:52:35 PM  
BART is so much nicer than the Metro here in DC - and much safer as well... so be thankful.

I only wish BART ran trains more than every 15 minutes...and of course I wish I still lived in the Bay Area.

/ in Alameda
 
2010-04-16 07:23:21 PM  
netweavr:

If there's no direct threat to your (or someone else's) person or property, taser is not an option.


I hope you meant that statement as your personal opinion of how things should be, and not your belief of how the law works. Some PDs restrict taser usage to assaultive, but many, if not most, allow it at active resistance.

I am absolutely fine with this. Note that my views on when a taser ought to be usable in no way defend the moron who (and I'm not sure which is worse of these two possibilities here) farks up and shoots his gun on accident, or lies about thinking he had the taser out to defend his shooting.

I'd much rather be tased than tackled, especially given that the natural reaction of a person being tackled is to try to get back up by throwing the person on top of them off, which leads to a situation that any police officer can easily articulate in court as the suspect becoming assaultive, which means he now gets to strike pressure points, hit you, use a baton, etc. No thanks, please tase me.
 
2010-04-16 07:34:41 PM  
netweavr: I reject the implicit assertion that the taser would cause less harm than a potential wrestling match. Hence my stance.

At some point, and I'm sure everyone will disagree on exactly where that point lies, people resisting arrest become responsible for damages they incur while being caught.

I think you also vastly underestimate the result of being tackled off of a bike instead of simply falling off of one.

Out of curiosity, because I do see where you are coming from, what, exactly, should police do when a healthy person gets on a bike and flees?
 
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