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2010-04-14 12:52:53 PM
It takes a lot of work to slowdown/stop on a fixie. Give us some leeway.
 
2010-04-14 12:53:15 PM
EWreckedSean: 1) Any speed unreasonably below or above the speed limit causes accidents

2) Dipping out into the opposing lane of traffic to get around bicyclists causes accidents

3) Focusing on not hitting the slow moving bicyclist causes your focus to be diverted from everything else around you, causing accidents.


Stop making sense, the problem is that you don't want to share the road...
 
2010-04-14 12:53:24 PM
The new policy is an extension of the Obama administration's livability initiative, which regards the creation of alternatives to driving - buses, streetcars, trolleys and trains, as well as biking and walking - as central to solving the nation's transportation woes.

What a monster.
 
2010-04-14 12:53:53 PM
SkittleBrau: Since bicyclists are traffic, how can they impede themselves?

The same way any other vehicle can impede traffic. Farking DUH.

SkittleBrau: the garbage truck making numerous stops; the mail truck making numerous stops; the school bus making numerous stops; road crews and utility crews blocking lanes and slowing/stopping traffic; the idiot driver on their phone who is oblivious to everything around them and holding you up... did I forget anybody? And of all these obstructions, which one is the easiest one to get around?

Garbage trucks run on a set schedule, as do school buses, They're easy to avoid, and don't hold up traffic in the middle of rush hour on the narrow main streets. Utility/road crews usually leave a lane open.

Drivers on cellphones, however, are subject to my earlier "eat flaming death" comment.

So what was your point again?

SkittleBrau: A bicyclist who is obeying the law is not causing you any trouble or grief,

Except most of them (around here at least) can't be arsed to do that.

So, perhaps, if cyclists during rush hour would take care in choosing a route that will not hold up an entire line of cars behind them (wasting time, and gas, which you seem to be so worried about), I would have infinitely less ire towards them.

As it stands, if you get in my way, yes, I will rev my engine, honk the horn, flip the bird, and generally go out of my way to indicate a great deal of displeasure with your inconsiderate actions.
 
2010-04-14 12:54:11 PM
Rapmaster2000: The_Sponge: Does San Francisco still have that regular bike protest where a bunch of them get together and intentionally block traffic?

/Saw that on the way to a Giants game back in '00.

What city doesn't have that?



True...it was just the only time I've seen something like that in person.
 
2010-04-14 12:54:51 PM
The_Sponge: Does San Francisco still have that regular bike protest where a bunch of them get together and intentionally block traffic?

/Saw that on the way to a Giants game back in '00.


it is a multi city group called "Critical Mass"
Or as I like to call them, Critical Ass.
 
2010-04-14 12:55:07 PM
The Sponge
One time I drove past some high school girls doing that, so I honked and told them to get out of the road.
//One of the little biatches had the nerve to give me the finger.
///Not really a cool story bro.


Did you back up and hit her?
/that would be a cool story, bro.
 
2010-04-14 12:55:10 PM
Good. Now they can get off the sidewalk in Seattle. The road is made for equal vehicles, and the sidewalk is made for walking lovers.
 
2010-04-14 12:55:24 PM
Worst_Login_Ever: jehovahs witness protection: So people on bikes have to buy tags and pay taxes now?

Which I do. On my car(s). And I pay taxes too. What's your point? You assume that if someone rides a bike they clearly don't have a car or pay taxes.


What was your registration fee for your bike last year through your DMV? How much does your mandatory insurance on your bicycle cost? How much tax is added on to the fuel for your bicycle?

They tax fuel for cars to pay for roads and such, will there be a special tax on the food that bicyclists buy?
 
2010-04-14 12:55:28 PM
TsukasaK: Except most of them (around here at least) can't be arsed to do that.

Though, to be fair, neither do the motorists :)

/Wyoming suffers from a crippling blinker fluid shortage.
 
2010-04-14 12:55:44 PM
CapitolG 2010-04-14 12:51:36 PM

The_Sponge: One of the little biatches had the nerve to give me the finger.

Down in our parts we just assume they are from California, i mean why not paint with such broad strokes, this is Fark After all....



Lulz. In my case, they're probably former Californians who now live in Bellevue.
 
2010-04-14 12:56:26 PM
Headso: Barges can move 1 ton of cargo 576 miles for the same amount of fuel as it takes a rail car to carry the same amount of cargo 413 miles, and a truck to haul it 155 miles.

We should be getting away from trucks to haul goods.


Good luck getting the Teamsters on board with that.
 
2010-04-14 12:56:30 PM
bboy 2010-04-14 12:49:27 PM

Wow. I posted some sarcastic thing without reading the thread. Now I read the thread and.. Jesus.

Guess what, guys? The roads were not built FOR YOU. If someone is slowing you down, they're not slowing you down. The world does not revolve around you. Sure, they may piss you off, but acting like you've got some supreme right to blast down any road you please unimpeded by any sort of potential hazards or inconveniences is just ridiculous. Yes, that 85 year old is driving 10 miles an hour under the speed limit. Tough shiat. Life sucks sometime, but it sucks harder when you take everything personally. And impatience and intolerance are your problems, not the cyclist's, nor the granny's



Pure brilliance!
It's all, like, your point of view, man...
LOL
I'm sure you apply that philosophy to all walks of life, too.
 
2010-04-14 12:56:33 PM
EWreckedSean: \The number of people who could reasonably replace a car with a bike is almost zero.

Yep, because here in 'Merika we needs our cars!

img329.imageshack.us

Wait..what?
 
2010-04-14 12:56:37 PM
so let me get this straight.

i can't drive an ATV with an engine and lights on the road, but bikes are treated the same as motorized vehicles?

i've been hit by cars twice while riding a bike around (i'm in a college town, so shiatty drivers and poor infrastructure with no bike lanes are the norm) and i think that's a pretty damn good reason why bikes don't belong on the road. it's like a super, super-super dangerous motorcycle... dangerous in that it has GREATLY reduced visability and the capabilities for fast acceleration to get away from cars just isn't there. my only defense is my bike's mobility, and i take full advantage of my mountain bike's ability to hop curbs and ride on sidewalks. anybody that seriously thinks bikes belong on a road with cars is either stupid or has never ridden a bike on a road, or both. people just don't pay attention well enough to protect the safety of bike riders.
 
2010-04-14 12:57:05 PM
o5iiawah: Good luck convincing the teamsters, AFL-CIO, and UAW of that one. You'd end up in the other endzone of the meadownlands

Wow was I late to THAT party...
 
2010-04-14 12:57:17 PM
Mongo No.5

It takes a lot of work to slowdown/stop on a fixie. Give us some leeway.


How about no?
Oh, were you being funny?
 
2010-04-14 12:57:57 PM
Bicycles are not equal - much in the same way that a retard is not equal to a regular person. Or, in the same way that women are equal to men.

When you go to the DMV and take the bicycle riders test to get your bicycle license and have your state mandated bicycle insurance; we can talk about equality.
 
2010-04-14 01:00:40 PM
TsukasaK: if you get in my way, yes, I will rev my engine, honk the horn, flip the bird, and generally go out of my way to indicate a great deal of displeasure with your inconsiderate actions.

And I laugh and wave at you. I'll be happily cycling after you drop dead from a road rage-induced heart attack.
 
2010-04-14 01:01:19 PM
DukeBabe: Did you back up and hit her?
/that would be a cool story, bro.



Lulz. Nope, but I should have driven back and given her an earful. Oh well, there's always this summer.


CapitolG: it is a multi city group called "Critical Mass"
Or as I like to call them, Critical Ass.



Ah.....that sounds familiar.
 
2010-04-14 01:01:59 PM
Ashtrey: I'll slow down for cyclists, mainly because I dont' trust them. But you bike-riding farkers should remember that even if you have the right-of-way that doesn't change physics. So my car is bigger, meaner, and hits harder. So while yes I'm looking out for you guys, don't forget to look out for cars too.

I'm all for more people riding bicycles.

I just don't think that bicycles should be allowed on roads with a speed limit in excess of 25 MPH unless the rider and bicycle is licensed and insured and the bicycle accounts for its fair share of road taxes.

I think bike trails intended for commuting traffic should be paid for with highway money, but not bike trails designed for recreational biking.

I think bicycle and motorcycle awareness should be a mandatory in all driver's education programs and part of all license renewal testing.

I think we need to ignore the asshat bicycle riders and the asshat car drivers, but it's way too much fun to watch them go off on each other for that to ever happen.
 
2010-04-14 01:02:20 PM
If bicyclists start driving with the flow of traffic, rather than against, and stop behaving as if stop signs and traffic lights are optional for bicycles only, THEN I'll have absolutely no problem with it.

Start enforcing the laws which already exist in many municipalities when it comes to bicycle travel; most cops around here ignore them.

/Almost splattered a bicyclist in Missoula, MT at "Malfunction Junction"
//I had the green; he ran across 5 lanes of traffic
///He got splattered by a garbage truck; sadly, he survived
 
2010-04-14 01:04:07 PM
jaytkay: And I laugh and wave at you. I'll be happily cycling

Right after you pay the ticket for impeding the flow of traffic, anyways. That kind of shiat is illegal around here.
 
2010-04-14 01:04:44 PM
BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?
 
2010-04-14 01:04:54 PM
Erik_Emune:
Au contraire, they're great individual transportation. Cheap and simple, can be parked in 1/20th the space of a car. Provides a bit of exercise as well. Just takes some traffic planning.


Except when it rains, or snows, hails, or is icy. Or at night. Or when its very cold or very hot. Or when you have a moderate amount of stuff to bring with you. Or when you need to go somewhere dressed halfway decently. Or when you need to get somewhere quickly. Or when you aren't travelling alone, and need to get there safely. Or when you are going more than a short distance.

Yeah--other than that--great transportation.
 
2010-04-14 01:05:04 PM
Poowaddins: If bicyclists start driving with the flow of traffic, rather than against, and stop behaving as if stop signs and traffic lights are optional for bicycles only, THEN I'll have absolutely no problem with it.

Start enforcing the laws which already exist in many municipalities when it comes to bicycle travel; most cops around here ignore them.

/Almost splattered a bicyclist in Missoula, MT at "Malfunction Junction"
//I had the green; he ran across 5 lanes of traffic
///He got splattered by a garbage truck; sadly, he survived



in Ohio, bike laws do match car laws; they travel with traffic & must follow all of the same traffic laws as the cars on the road, except where there are special bike lanes, then they must remain within those.
 
2010-04-14 01:05:31 PM
Poowaddins: ///He got splattered by a garbage truck; sadly, he survived


That stinks.
 
2010-04-14 01:05:55 PM
The_Sponge: BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?

I commute less than that, round trip. So I must be even horribler.
 
2010-04-14 01:08:51 PM
The_Sponge: BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?

Well I just said you were Horrible for living in a state that charges sales tax, and forces folks to pump gas, it had nothing to do with your commute.

/Rides 12 miles a day for work, but come on.... Portland is not realy a city..
 
2010-04-14 01:09:11 PM
TsukasaK: As it stands, if you get in my way, yes, I will rev my engine, honk the horn, flip the bird, and generally go out of my way to indicate a great deal of displeasure with your inconsiderate actions.

I wanna see you do this with a school bus full of 5-year-olds.

/a cyclist
//hates 5-year-olds.
 
2010-04-14 01:09:36 PM
DukeBabe:
How about no?
Oh, were you being funny?


basically just my experience as a cycling commuter is more often than not its the hipster fixters running lights and weaving traffic.

/coasts through all-way stops in low traffic
//never runs reds
 
2010-04-14 01:10:43 PM
incrdbil: Except when it rains, or snows, hails, or is icy. Or at night. Or when its very cold or very hot. Or when you have a moderate amount of stuff to bring with you.

Pussy.
 
2010-04-14 01:10:52 PM
Fixie riders who complain about how hard it is to slow down and stop need to be shot. Buy a friggin freehub assembly or a freewheel. There's a reason your fixie is referred to as a "track bike"... Might have something to do with riding in the Velodrome where brakes are dangerous. They've got no place on the street.

I ride a singlespeed to work. I admit to not stopping at every intersection if I there's no traffic coming because it's a hell of a lot easier to keep going. But if I don't have the right of way, I sure as hell stop. Automobiles are a whole lot bigger and are going to do more damage to me than my helmet will protect against.
 
2010-04-14 01:11:13 PM
The_Sponge: BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?

Goddamn, that is a terrible waste of resources.
you should move further away from work.
 
2010-04-14 01:11:34 PM
schattenteufel: The_Sponge: BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?

I commute less than that, round trip. So I must be even horribler.


i live in my office but twice a day i get in my car and circle the block a few times!

//the horriblest!
 
2010-04-14 01:11:47 PM
The reason for all the Bike Hate has to be those asshole "Critical Mass" riders...
 
2010-04-14 01:12:15 PM
DukeBabe: The Sponge
One time I drove past some high school girls doing that, so I honked and told them to get out of the road.
//One of the little biatches had the nerve to give me the finger.
///Not really a cool story bro.

Did you back up and hit it?
/that would be a cool story, bro.


FTFY
 
2010-04-14 01:12:37 PM
JohnAnnArbor: Why this at the FEDERAL level? That's supposed to be interstate commerce, right? Is there a whole lot of interstate commerce done by bike?

You missed some major Supreme Court precedent. There was a guy that was growing grain on his farm for to feed his own chickens. He was never going to sell it, even intrastate. The federal got all butthurt that he wasn't paying any attention to the restrictions they had placed on farmers ability to grow grain in order to drive up the price of grain during the Great Depression. They ordered him to pay a fine and destroy the crop. He argued that the interstate commerce clause didn't apply because he wasn't operating in interstate commerce, therefore the federal government did not have jurisdiction.

The court ruled that if he wasn't growing his own grain for chicken feed, he would be buying chicken feed that would have traveled in interstate commerce, therefore was was affecting interstate commerce by being self-sufficient, therefore the federal government has jurisdiction over him by way of the Commerce Clause.

See Wickard v. Filburn

Based on this, if you are riding a bicycle, you are not using another kind of transportation which is regulated by interstate commerce, therefore you are affecting interstate commerce, therefor you can be regulated.

Yes, literally, damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you don't like this, elect different people.
 
2010-04-14 01:12:38 PM
Awright, listen up you primitive screw-heads.

There is a big difference between cyclists and 'people who ride bicycles.' One yields to vehicles and obeys the rules of the road. The other group is the ass-baggery bunch that many of you complain about. Please distinguish who you are talking about whilst complaining.

Also, 'bikers' are people who ride motorcycles, not cyclists.

/that is all
//thanks for being cool to cyclists that are cool to you drivers
///I don't care if you harass 'people who ride bikes'
 
2010-04-14 01:13:39 PM
thebigfingerbang: so let me get this straight.

i can't drive an ATV with an engine and lights on the road, but bikes are treated the same as motorized vehicles?

i've been hit by cars twice while riding a bike around (i'm in a college town, so shiatty drivers and poor infrastructure with no bike lanes are the norm) and i think that's a pretty damn good reason why bikes don't belong on the road. it's like a super, super-super dangerous motorcycle... dangerous in that it has GREATLY reduced visability and the capabilities for fast acceleration to get away from cars just isn't there. my only defense is my bike's mobility, and i take full advantage of my mountain bike's ability to hop curbs and ride on sidewalks. anybody that seriously thinks bikes belong on a road with cars is either stupid or has never ridden a bike on a road, or both. people just don't pay attention well enough to protect the safety of bike riders.


Well, it's a good thing the article is about equal consideration for alternative modes of transport such as biking and walking in regards to DOT engineering and fund dispensation rather than some doofus assuming that them there engineers can't figure out the basic physics of mass in differences of about a ton, isn't it.
 
2010-04-14 01:13:46 PM
TheWizard: I'd love to ride a bike to work. But I also have to wear a suit to work. The elements really conspire against me in that regard.

I also live 11 miles from my office, so it's on the border of commutable by bicycle (from what I understand, I haven't tried it).


They make rack mounted panniers for carrying garments. If you can change\shower @ work, then the suit shouldn't be a huge deal. Just wear grubbies and change into the suit when you get there.

Also, 11 miles isn't a huge commute. Shouldn't take more than an hour each way once your into it.

The hardest part of cycle commuting is just starting to do it! It gets easier and soon becomes second nature.

\Bicycle Commuter
\\20 mile round trip
\\\3 days so far this week
 
2010-04-14 01:13:47 PM
jehovahs witness protection: So people on bikes have to buy tags and pay taxes now?

Done in one.

Are my gas taxes going to pay for bike trails?
 
2010-04-14 01:14:50 PM
doubled99:
North Americans could learn a lot about efficient transportation from Europe and Asia.



AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


I assume you're making fun of the chaos that is Asian transportation. But considering they manage to move millions and millions of people around with limited funds within insanely-built cities, I'd say they've figured out a thing or two.
 
2010-04-14 01:14:58 PM
Billy Ligue: The reason for all the Bike Hate has to be those asshole "Critical Mass" riders...

Honestly anybody on a Fixie would count..... Now for real bike fun?

Try Zoobombing!

Or a Naked Bike ride...
 
2010-04-14 01:16:00 PM
wambu: Headso: Barges can move 1 ton of cargo 576 miles for the same amount of fuel as it takes a rail car to carry the same amount of cargo 413 miles, and a truck to haul it 155 miles.


Let's get started on the coast-to-coast canal.

We should be getting away from trucks to haul goods.

Agreed. Trucks clog the roads and their weight destroys the infrastructure. They promote crime and prostitution at truck stops and rest areas. And they smell bad and pollute the air. And they provide flexibility that rail, barge and air transport can't. So let's replace trucks with something better. Wait, ...


the7thcircle: EWreckedSean: \The number of people who could reasonably replace a car with a bike is almost zero.

Yep, because here in 'Merika we needs our cars!

Wait..what?


How does clipping a picture of a bike with a basket do anything to take away from the fact that because of sprawl biking as their main form of transportation is basically impossible for most Americans? That's a nice basket though. What happens exactly when you are 10 miles from home with that uncovered basket full of goods and it starts to rain?
 
2010-04-14 01:16:47 PM
Bigtimmy: I hate people who walk in the road when there is a sidewalk for them.

You sound racist!
 
2010-04-14 01:17:02 PM
CapitolG 2010-04-14 01:08:51 PM

The_Sponge: BTW, where the Farker who said I was a horrible person for commuting 11 miles (round trip) in my car?

Well I just said you were Horrible for living in a state that charges sales tax, and forces folks to pump gas, it had nothing to do with your commute.

/Rides 12 miles a day for work, but come on.... Portland is not realy a city..



Lulz. During freshman year of college, I met a girl from Oregon who didn't know how to pump her own gas. (We were carpooling to a comedy show, and she asked me to do it.)

It was even more amusing when you consider that we were in So Cal, so I don't know how she drove all the way down. Either she had somebody with her, or had to ask strangers for help.

Bonus: She was a junior.
 
2010-04-14 01:17:19 PM
This: I wanna see you do this with a school bus full of 5-year-olds.

I hate 5-year-olds as much as the next guy.. but the bus is doing a necessary job. Cyclists, who willfully choose to ride on main streets during rush hour, can f*ck right off.
 
2010-04-14 01:17:19 PM
Fark_Guy_Rob:
When you go to the DMV and take the bicycle riders test to get your bicycle license and have your state mandated bicycle insurance; we can talk about equality.


I'll bite. Ever wonder what the acronym DMV stands for?

Shall we grant licenses to travel by foot, as well?
 
2010-04-14 01:17:41 PM
ShadowkahnCRX: Bikes are already granted the same rights (and responsibilities, which most bikers ignore) as cars on surface streets.

Bike don't really have all the same rights, either.

A sensible approach would recognize that bikes fall into a middle ground between pedestrians and cars. The key is to ride safely and predictably and acknowledge the right of way.

For example, when the stoplight sensor doesn't recognize me on my bike, I often go push the pedestrian button to get it to change.

I'll coast through stop signs at empty all-way intersections, much like I might walk through an intersection without coming to a full and complete stop, because I can see well enough and stop soon enough if someone's coming.

I'll never go if someone else has the right of way, even if they try to wave me through. I
 
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