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(CBS)   Amish shun insurance. Deductible rates on buggies sky-high   (cbsnews.com) divider line 97
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2003-05-05 04:35:14 PM
Stop picking on the Amish!

Oh wait, they don't have computers, and therefore can't see your insults.

Carry on!

/no harm, no foul.
 
2003-05-05 04:35:19 PM
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2003-05-05 04:37:08 PM
"Neddy doesn't belive in insurance, he thinks it's a form of gambling"

/Simpsons
 
2003-05-05 04:37:23 PM

"The state, like others with large Amish or Mennonite populations, is set to exempt members of religious sects from paying insurance premiums if it goes against their principles."


I hereby declare I am starting an Amish sect in Boston, and from hereon in will not pay my auto insurance, as it goes against my beliefs. And any who refer to me shall use my God given name, Jebediahskinink.

 
2003-05-05 04:38:03 PM
I grew up in Waterloo County (Ontario), and every year or so some drunk driver would demolish a buggy, and a family. Sad, really.
 
2003-05-05 04:38:28 PM


So it's ok to pay a church fund in case of accidents, but its against God's will to pay a state fund in case of accidents.

 
2003-05-05 04:38:35 PM
Gotta love insurance companies, they are the biggest monopolies out there. And if you don't like their rates, you can't drive!!
 
2003-05-05 04:38:51 PM
"Who keeps the metric system down? We do. We do."
 
2003-05-05 04:38:55 PM
The insurance rates would diverty money from their crack habit.

And Peetah, what would you hit with a sword or dagger?
 
2003-05-05 04:38:58 PM
Twenty-five of Kaufman's 28 employees at his 22-year-old business are Amish. He pays into a separate church aid fund to cover the cost of accidents, a practice followed by other Amish and Mennonite businesses.

This is insurance. Just church-organized insurance rather state-run. Don't make no goddamn sense if you ask me. But nobody did :(
 
2003-05-05 04:39:06 PM
They may shun insurance, but they like their crack
 
2003-05-05 04:41:57 PM
Best Amish movie:Witness.
 
2003-05-05 04:43:08 PM
Skinink, just move up to New Hampshire, they don't require you to have auto insurance to drive, just don't come back or the cops will bust you big time.
 
2003-05-05 04:44:16 PM
Anyone see the simpsons last night with the scene of the amish dude pinning the devil up in his barn with a pitchfork?

i'd like to get a pic of that.
 
2003-05-05 04:46:16 PM
Poe01
"Skinink, just move up to New Hampshire, they don't require you to have auto insurance to drive, just don't come back or the cops will bust you big time."


And you guys have no income tax either. Plus now I can't smoke in bars here in Boston, it is against the law. New Hampshire looks better by the hour. So sorry about the Old Man on the Mountain, you holding up ok ?

 
2003-05-05 04:47:17 PM
Get off the freaking road!!! HONK!!!
 
2003-05-05 04:50:04 PM
Actual Best Amish Movie: "Devil's Playground". It's a documentary.

It's about the "Rumspringa", when 16 year old Amish go out and experience the "English" world for themselves. The one kid becomes a drug dealer. Crazy stuff.

From that movie, I not only learned that the Amish don't buy insurance, but they also don't use lightening rods either, for the same reason.
 
2003-05-05 04:51:16 PM
I'd imagine at the root of all of this would be some insurance companies telling them to come back when they're ready to bring Ichabod's Barn up to OSHA Standards, put lights on their buggies, etc.
 
2003-05-05 04:51:34 PM
Ya mon, wats up widge da products liability insurance, ya know dis grass be da good shiat
 
2003-05-05 04:51:44 PM

Amish rock band
 
2003-05-05 04:52:30 PM
I had a girlfriend who had a house built by Mennonites. She later had water leaks in the basement, a condition caused by her explicitly ignoring the county engineer who told her about the underground stream that ran through the property. Nonetheless, she insisted on having a basement rather than a slab. So she took the Mennonites to court for building the house the way she insisted on having it built. Turned out that the Mennonites don't believe in using attorneys to speak for them. Of course the ex-gf had an attorney. She won the case, too. Must have seen the judge in his chambers, I guess.
 
2003-05-05 04:52:46 PM

Amish rock band
 
2003-05-05 04:53:22 PM
i would love to insure the amish, why, you'd never have to pay a high liability claim, how bad can you hurt somebody with a buggy?
 
2003-05-05 04:53:45 PM
amish and menonite girls rock. In college we would occassionally go to this flea market type place called the Green Dragon out near Lancaster PA. There would always be these very hot very eager girls there that farked like minxes. We were shocked when we found out that these broads where amish and menonites. Apparently they would keep a stash of civilian clothes hidden somewhere and go out cock hunting on weekends. These girls would roll you a joint and let you stab them with the ol pork sword all night. They were super freaky too. No holes barred. They even groomed down there.
There is also a time in their lives called Rumspringa when they can go out into the world and do whatever they want. No matter what they do they are welcome back for a period of time. After the time lapses however they are SOL and considered "english".

I miss those girls...they really knew how to churn my butter.
 
2003-05-05 04:54:34 PM
Imagine coming up over a hill going 80 and seeing this!
Yikes!
 
2003-05-05 04:57:32 PM
No lightening rods? WTF. So if you have cattle in a barn, that barn is struck, it burns down killing your livestock you just go to the church and they hook you up? Sould lie they are putting an undue burden on themselves and the community.
What if the farmer is in that barn at the time, and they are severly burned? Without insurance, who pays for the medical care? I do not guess it's the church, because one major incident could bankrupt the comminity.
 
2003-05-05 04:57:39 PM
Thanks,IvyMike I'll have to look that up. Sounds interesting.
 
2003-05-05 04:59:04 PM
really though, it takes a lot of land to be amish. if you DID have some big brouhaha you were liable for, they could take your land and make you try to get a amish condo somewhere...that would suck
 
2003-05-05 05:01:10 PM
This is sooo Ned Flanders
 
2003-05-05 05:05:09 PM
Except for the annoying buggy on the road thing, every amish person I have had the opportunity to talk to has been super cool. I gotta give them credit for sticking to their beliefs, I couldn't do it, not without some sort of toy(car, motorcycle) at least.
 
2003-05-05 05:05:36 PM
Stoliman - you miss the point, God will prevent the lightning strike if they are worthy enough. It's irrational, but it is religion and no stupider than any of the rest of the stuff people choose to believe. Also, the church fund keeps the money in the community, which is where they think it should be. I have a sneaking admiration for them, but like my porn, motorbikes and sportsboats too much to pretend to aspirations of Amishness.
 
2003-05-05 05:05:51 PM
Laugh at the amish all you want, but I'll tell you this: they make some damn good pies. Seriously, come up to Pennsylvania and buy a genuine amish shoofly pie. The best food I've ever eaten...
 
2003-05-05 05:06:36 PM
How's that for simultaneous posting of the same idea :-)
 
2003-05-05 05:07:12 PM
Skinink, dude, I live in Lexington, just outside of Boston. But I too also intend to leave Taxachusetts some day, and I will probably end up in NH.
 
2003-05-05 05:07:24 PM


Amish Laptop.

/obligatory
 
2003-05-05 05:07:42 PM
Nelno - I used to live in Delaware and can back your statement 100%. Great food, organic, too.
 
2003-05-05 05:08:52 PM
Tithing is insurance. No doubt a factor in this socialist style all-for-one community

Do a Google search

I especially like the Mormon item on the above search "Tithing is Fire Insurance"

On the other hand suicide bombing is insurance too. Well if you are Muslim it is.
 
2003-05-05 05:09:00 PM
Oh another good Amish story.
We were doing road work out near Lancaster Pa. We needed water and had a huge tanker truck there that we used to cool the asphalt and to wet the wheels of the steam rollers. Well we ran out of water and needed about 6000 more gallons. There was an Amish farm right where we were working that had a massive pond. I went over with the tanker driver and asked the Amish farmer if I could buy 6000 gallons of water from his pond. The farmer outright rejected my offer. "You cannot pay me for the water for it is not mine to sell. God put it there and as a child of God you are welcome to as much of it as you need."
I thought that was really cool of the farmer and thanked him.

After filling the truck my stupid truck driver backed into the brick foundation of the farmers barn. There was a fair amount of damage that I would estimate at $1200.00. I found the farmer and showed him the damage. I offered him the information for our insurance agent so he could submit a claim and get it repaired. The farmer refused. I offered to give him the cash money that I estimated it would cost to repair the foundation. Again the farmer refused. I offered to help him fix it and again he objected. The farmer said he would repair it himself and asked if I would pay him for the materials. I agreed and he told me he could get everything he needed for $35.
Cool people but I wouldn't want to be one.
 
2003-05-05 05:12:22 PM
Gavino,
Ah, I got it.
I, also like you, like to enjoy my vices guilt-free.
 
2003-05-05 05:12:39 PM
Gavino-Timing is everything:)- amen to the porn and stuff too.
My dad used to take me up to the live stock auctions up in NY, those places were crawling with amish. I can't say it enough, they were very friendly and cool. I'd much rather deal with an amish person than a regular city folk such as myself.
 
2003-05-05 05:13:09 PM
In college we would occassionally go to this flea market type place called the Green Dragon out near Lancaster PA.

oh man I soooo miss Green Dragon. Probably the only thing from Lancaster I miss.

and the amish are very cool. My family has alot of amish friends so I used to eat dinner with them at times. The way they mix modern and old world and still stick to their beliefs is amazing.

However my one little funny amish story. For about a year we lived in a small town called goodville. Anyway our next door neighbors were amish. They had electric lights that would mysteriously disappear whenever it was their turn to host church.
 
2003-05-05 05:16:36 PM
blind followers of religion. No matter how "nice" they are, their beliefs are sure extreme. Maybe one day they will realize that you are supposed to evolve, not stay the same for hundreds of years
 
2003-05-05 05:17:19 PM
you're supposed to live and have fun, evolving and electric lights are both optional
 
2003-05-05 05:17:33 PM
It seems that there is no evidence that lightning rods actually work as advertised (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010824.html). It seems this invention of the entrepreneurial Benjamin Franklin was the carburetor vortex, cell phone booster, or magnet insoles of the day-- except that they're still here.

I would say that this is evidence inate, natural intelligence of the common folk-- except that I know too many Amish. They're just too cheap.
 
2003-05-05 05:17:50 PM
I would like to agree with a few other folks here that when doing business with the Amish, Mennonites or Hudderites - one; they drive a hard bargin and two; they are honest to a fault. It helps that they know that if they lie or cheat you they also know that they will burn in hell of ever and ever amen.
 
2003-05-05 05:20:19 PM
oh man I soooo miss Green Dragon. Probably the only thing from Lancaster I miss.

You obviously missed the one-legged Amish dwarf at the farmer's market downtown then...
 
2003-05-05 05:21:55 PM
Last I checked Workman's comp insurance was for the employee not the employer, and its also a Federal law that you can't discriminate when hiring based on religion. So they *could* have employees of any religion.

Make 'em pay. Bad enough they get away with running a business without conforming to EO laws.
 
2003-05-05 05:23:50 PM
"05-05-03 05:16:36 PM Big Al
blind followers of religion. No matter how "nice" they are, their beliefs are sure extreme. Maybe one day they will realize that you are supposed to evolve, not stay the same for hundreds of years"

What happened to the dirty hippie attitude of live and let live? Does that only apply if you are effin other dudes or some other retarded liberal life style?

It is a sad day when I of all people have a more liberal view of someone's lifestyle than BigAl.
 
2003-05-05 05:29:47 PM
Decaf333
Worker's comp covers employers from liability claims arrising from their employment of ppl. if a shopowner is willing to pay whatever settlement he owes an employee on his own, he does not have to file a claim with worker's comp. it's also not illegal to discriminate if there is a "legitimate job-related need" for your employees to have a certain characteristic (such as be amish to work at a store that sells amish furniture/food)
 
2003-05-05 05:32:26 PM
"05-05-03 05:21:55 PM Decaf333
Last I checked Workman's comp insurance was for the employee not the employer, and its also a Federal law that you can't discriminate when hiring based on religion. So they *could* have employees of any religion."

Have you ever been to an amish community? From the looks of things I'd have to say no. The work they do is very labor intensive, they don't use any of the nice tools that most "English" folks do, therefore, they will not get to many takers from the "English" community when it comes hiring time. They have many children and relatives who are usually very qualified for the jobs that they are hiring. This would keep them from needing to advertise the jobs anyways. In conclusion, they let people in their community know about jobs and hire from that job pool.
Using the above logic, the workers would then be amish and would refuse to collect on any injuries and would be taken care of by their community as has been done for centuries.
 
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