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(Miami Herald)   Teenage players are ruining the NBA   (miami.com) divider line 87
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2003-05-04 10:54:52 PM  
That's as may be, but who else is going to buy all these riced-up Cadillac Escalades?
 
2003-05-04 10:55:13 PM  
Interesting...I always thought the NBA was ruining the NBA.
 
2003-05-04 10:55:27 PM  
Gah, I've lost all respect for the NBA anyways. Streetball is where it's at
 
2003-05-04 10:56:56 PM  
''If you can go over and fight in Iraq, I don't see why you can't play in the NBA if that's what you choose to do,'' Cornstein said. ``And what about the Europeans, those who are already pros at a very early age? Their option to go to college is taken away because they're not amateurs.''

Because fighting in a war and making mad cash and farking a different hot biatch every night are somehow related, eh?
 
2003-05-04 10:57:50 PM  
I think it's safe to drop the word "Teenage" from the headline and still have the same meaning.
 
2003-05-04 10:58:17 PM  
That's as may be

What?
 
2003-05-04 10:59:40 PM  
No- an abundance of overpayed, grown men who act like teenagers are what is ruining the league.
 
2003-05-04 11:00:18 PM  
It's not the teenagers that are ruining the NBA, but the complete lack of ball movement besides one on one sets and long range jump shots. College is a 100x better, and half of those guys are teenagers.
 
2003-05-04 11:00:36 PM  
Cornstein That's funny.
 
2003-05-04 11:01:09 PM  
It is bad officiating, pompous players, lack of team skills, terrbile rules and David Stern that ruined the game not to mention the players union.
 
2003-05-04 11:01:16 PM  
I want to start a new Fark tradition. Every time a baseball thread is posted there are all the "baseball is boring" posts. I want to start the same with the NBA...does anyone actually go to games, other than washed-up actors and directors trying to get on TV?
 
2003-05-04 11:01:53 PM  
I'm wondering if any of you have seen, or heard of Freddy Adu? He is 13, he has gotten interest from clubs like Inter Milan. And recently from the biggest club in the world, Manchester United. Of course, he plays soccer, not basketball.

Teens playing professional soccer isn't uncommon at all. Francesco Totti of Roma played his first game at 16. Recently Wayne Rooney for Everton started playing at the age of 16, beating Arsenal with a nice bending shot from around 30 meters out. He is playing internationally for England now too.

Tennis players can be teens as well. Teens can compete for America in the Olympics in gymnastics and swimming.

But when it comes to basketball? Oh my God, a 17-year old playing professional sports? That's horrible! He should be forced into a corrupt system hidden under the guise of higher education, where he can be made to work for the benefit of old men whose sole function is to maintain and expand said system, and not be allowed to earn a dime for himself!
 
2003-05-04 11:02:17 PM  
I'm looking at you, Shaquille.
 
2003-05-04 11:02:28 PM  
Why not do what the NFL does and make it three years out of high school? Or why not just get rid of college ball altogether? Er... wait, I like college ball. Just get rid of the damn NBA.
 
2003-05-04 11:02:51 PM  
What a bunch of horseshiat. Teenage players aren't gonna ruin the league, because if they make it on a team and earn a playing spot then they're obviously good enough to be a part of the league. Teams don't give a ratfark if their players are 15 or 50....if they're the best players they have at their disposal, they'll use them.
 
2003-05-04 11:03:13 PM  
Sidi
I want to start a new Fark tradition. Every time a baseball thread is posted there are all the "baseball is boring" posts. I want to start the same with the NBA...does anyone actually go to games, other than washed-up actors and directors trying to get on TV?

I do. I love basketball. </CalvinKlein>
 
2003-05-04 11:03:17 PM  
You too, Rasheed Wallace. Anyone watch the Weedblazers/Mavs game? Could Wallace be anymore of a ref-blaming crybaby?
 
2003-05-04 11:04:48 PM  
Anatole the club team route for soccer is one of the biggest reasons the US hasn't caught up to the rest of the world in the sport. We still believe in the student-athelete tradition...that someone shouldn't decide that they have no other ambitions in life other than to try to play a sport.

I'm not going to say it's good or bad, it's just how it is.
 
2003-05-04 11:07:42 PM  
Basketball is ruining the NBA.
 
2003-05-04 11:09:21 PM  
Anti-drug, and domestic violence laws are ruining the NBA.
</sarcasm>
 
2003-05-04 11:09:27 PM  
Sidi

We still believe in the student-athelete tradition...that someone shouldn't decide that they have no other ambitions in life other than to try to play a sport.

Why does having a great deal of athletic talent suddenly give other people the right to decide what you should and shouldn't do with your life? If some 16-year-old kid and his family want to gamble on an athletics career, it's his life, let him take that risk.
 
2003-05-04 11:10:54 PM  
I'm ruining the NBA?
 
2003-05-04 11:12:11 PM  
Anatole the only reason I can think of is that the leagues don't want the negative press of players trying to play, flaming out, and then having no high school education to fall back on because they were too immature. I really don't know if it's a good or a bad thing. There are certainly going to be a lot of people hurt by either system.
 
2003-05-04 11:12:41 PM  
I don't know about anyone else, but the reason the NBA sucks for me is because of all the pussy-ass rules. I mean, you can't even look at another player the wrong way without getting a foul called in you. It gets old after 4 seconds.
 
2003-05-04 11:13:53 PM  
[image from cleveland.com too old to be available] Here comes King James!
 
2003-05-04 11:14:26 PM  
Moonman9j9 unless, of course, you're one of the star players. Then you can get away with whatever you want...because that makes the game more exciting for the fans.
 
2003-05-04 11:15:53 PM  
I'm not big bouncyball fan, but most of the current players don't really seem that interested in playing to win, so much as playing for $$$ and their 15 seconds of fame. Most are spoiled, underachieving prima donnas, and part-time thugs. Contrast that with guys like Dr. J, Jabbar, Bird, Johnson and Jordan, etc. They played hard, played to win and played for the team.

Oh yeah, fark the NBA. :)
 
2003-05-04 11:16:37 PM  
And what about the Europeans, those who are already pros at a very early age? Their option to go to college is taken away because they're not amateurs.

Here's the difference: European players tend to have the fundamentals that American kids don't. Kids these days are more worried about getting their mug on Sportscenter with their l33t dunks.

At least college basketball is still watchable.
 
2003-05-04 11:16:56 PM  
Sidi

the leagues don't want the negative press of players trying to play, flaming out, and then having no high school education to fall back on because they were too immature. I really don't know if it's a good or a bad thing. There are certainly going to be a lot of people hurt by either system.

Yes, but at least under a free-to-play system, if a player is hurt, it's his own fault. I don't see what's so wrong with baseball, or tennis, or soccer, where 17 and 18 year olds can join a club as soon as they are independent enough to move out of their parents' place.

A lot of people who try for a certain career end up washing out. That's just a fact of life. No reason to punish those that do by holding them back and forbidding them to make a living off their talent until age 20, especially since going to college doesn't do anything more to ensure professional athletic success. (Look at Amare Stoudemire and Jason Williams this season.)
 
2003-05-04 11:17:49 PM  
Still don't know what l33t means.
 
2003-05-04 11:18:45 PM  
Anatole I'll certainly agree with you that setting the age at 20 is very silly. What I'm not sure about is whether kids in this country are ready at 16 or 17 to jump into the pros like they do in European soccer.
 
2003-05-04 11:21:27 PM  
Sidi If it turns out they're not ready to jump into the pros, the problem will take care of itself pretty quick, and future teens will be much more wary of making the jump too soon. I predict a minor-league system would quickly fall into place as well. All in all, there's no need for the corrupt NCAA and silly age limitation rules, all they do is help feed the parasites clinging to these kids and farking up their life perspectives.
 
2003-05-04 11:26:02 PM  
On the other hand, the more youngsters the pros siphon off, the less remaining for the colleges to have to pretend to educate.
 
2003-05-04 11:27:54 PM  
Yotta unfortunately, that would probably mean they would slip them even more under the table and give bigger incentives to play college ball...because they couldn't stand to not have that great team.
 
2003-05-04 11:30:47 PM  
Nah, a lot of high schoolers who can't cut it get pushed into the draft by the allure of money and agents gambling on their future giving them inflated expectations
Korleone Young, Ousmane Cisse, this year Charlie Villanueva (if he goes)... some cannot hack it but have inflated expectations.
That said, an age limit is ridiculous, those people who get screwed over are because they are stubborn and cocky... people make the same bad decision to leave early when they're 20 and still can't hack it in the NBA. Leave that as is. The main problem is in the look-at-me manner that the game has developed and the inconsistent coaching recieved at the youth levels.
 
2003-05-04 11:32:25 PM  
Anatole: Of course, he plays soccer, not basketball.

Soccer? What's that?

/American

Moonman9j9: Still don't know what l33t means.

It's an abbreviation for the word "elite", invented in the 80's by illiterate teen computer users. Generally used as a term of scorn and derision by true hackers of the time, for people they considered "wanna-bes". Example of usage: "The Chiller Theatre BBS in 216 is a great leet board". The usage of the numeral three instead of the letter "e" is more modern. It's still used with scorn a derision. At least by me.

Any engine search on "l33t speak" is sure to turn up more examples.

HTH, HAND.
 
2003-05-04 11:34:13 PM  
TheBigZ that's very true. Most of the guys jumping to the NBA early probably deserve no sympathy when they bomb out. I know James bugs the hell out of me.
 
2003-05-04 11:40:10 PM  
The refusal to call travelling ruined the NBA. What the heck is a "hop-step," anyway?
 
2003-05-04 11:46:21 PM  
Sidi: James wouldn't bug me if he didn't come off as so pretentious and cocky. Anyone who believes that talent equals entitlement will never reach their potential, and be a dick to everyone along the way. For one's athletic prowess to be a meal ticket is OK; we pay for tickets. For one to consider themselves above others because they have a gift, just pisses me off. James is on the same level as the people who sue for damages when they have to share a valedictorian award (as posted earlier this week here).
Oh well, I think I'm doomed to have my favorite sport overrun by selfish asses from the hood (not that their origins are bad in and of themselves, but it makes their behavior a lot worse, due to friends/leeches, the me-first attitude, lack of fundamentals, etc.). I hope the overseas revolution in the league continues (as it should in this coming draft), with the hopes of making american players more appreciative of how blessed they are and how the world doesn't owe them anything just cause they're tall and quick.
 
2003-05-04 11:49:48 PM  
ScottMpls

I like your list of bouncyball believers.. I'd add Iverson to that list.. unbelievable will to win for a skinny guy, What's scary to me is that no other names hop to mind. Maybe Kobe (who I effing hate! Laker scum!)?
 
2003-05-05 12:05:33 AM  
NBA? Why would anyone watch that when Slamball!(tm) is available on TNN?!?
/sarcasm... but only slightly

Biggest problem with the NBA? People like Tracey McGrady. Listen to that farker trash-talk about making it to the 2nd round after winning their 3rd game, and then losing today in game 7 was sweet. Then he complains about how he's been carrying the team all season, and it's hard to have to carry a team on your own.

What the league needs is TEAM players... not mouthy, me-first, I-need-to-be-the-spotlight crybabies.

More John Stockton's. Less McGrady's.
 
2003-05-05 12:09:34 AM  
Honestly I don't think there are big problems with the NBA right now. I think a lot of the criticism comes from people who don't even play basketball. As for the title of the link, where in the article was the author saying teens are ruining the NBA?
 
2003-05-05 12:13:36 AM  
Anatole:
The NCAA is just as corrupt as any organization...nothing special about that.

That said...the way I saw the rational behind collegiate sports was that they would have a chance to go to school for free (those that are good) doing something that they enjoy. Not only that...but if they stick it out they'll be able to get an education that could help them deal with the shiat that lies ahead. An idiot out of highschool might have some trouble comprehending his contract whereas an english major might not.

That said...it is an opportunity to get an education that will also vastly improve your pay grade if and when you are no longer playing b-ball. Thus, if you burn out or if you retire, you have something to fall back on...namely your education.

Be that as it may there is still the maturity issue...a 21 year old and an 16-18 year old behave quite differently...or at least many do. And hell...a little growing up right now could hardly hurt the NBA.
 
2003-05-05 12:16:26 AM  
05-05-03 12:05:33 AM
SpaceMoose

NBA? Why would anyone watch that when Slamball!(tm) is available on TNN?!?
/sarcasm... but only slightly


They need to be on Most Extreme Elimination Challenge. Those are the "Athletes" I enjoy watching most. TNN needs to show this show more often, and sometime other than on a saturday night.
 
2003-05-05 12:18:15 AM  
Yes, those teen-agers who have come into the NBA without a lick of college have really ruined things.

Like Kobe, Garnett, McGrady.

Oh, wait. Those are the NBA's best players.

Irony can be so ironic sometimes.
 
2003-05-05 12:21:05 AM  
Carmelo Anthony > LeBron James

I'd consider watching the NBA again if they actually called the rules as they are written (Shaq doesn't get to flatten everyone, travelling and 3 seconds actually get called again). It's also hard to root for anyone in the league anymore. Are there any guys out there that aren't shameless, me-first self-promoters?
 
2003-05-05 12:25:26 AM  
Didn't Beckham get into Man U at 16?

That student-athlete myth is utter crap. At least half these athletes are only students because of "basket-weaving 101" type classes (and they often fail those).

In wanting to keep the bullsh*t alive the US is ruining both sport and schools. Nice going there.
 
2003-05-05 12:26:19 AM  
ElwoodCuse: Eduardo Najera. Earl Boykins. Tim Duncan. Jason Kidd. Need more examples?
 
2003-05-05 12:34:29 AM  
ElwoodCUse

Mike Bibby, Sacremento Kings
 
2003-05-05 12:47:03 AM  
Yeah, Duncan's a good guy, but he should have been a Celtic so I guess I hold that against him.
 
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