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(RealClearPolitics)   "Five hundred years ago, there weren't rich countries in the world. There are rich countries now because part of the world is following basically libertarian rules: private property, free markets, individualism."   (realclearpolitics.com ) divider line
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2010-04-07 10:18:22 AM  
And cavemen weren't rich because they were socialists!

Besides, says Wendy McElroy, the founder of ifeminists.com, "government aid doesn't enrich the poor. Government makes them dependent. And the biggest hindrance to the poor ... right now is the government. Government should get out of the way. It should allow people to open cottage industries without making them jump through hoops and licenses and taxing them to death. It should open up public lands and do a 20th-century equivalent of 40 acres and a mule. It should get out of the way of people and let them achieve and rise."


Exactly. If everyone on welfare and in methadone clinics weren't restricted by needless regulation, they could all start their own businesses and there would be no more suffering in the world. Case closed.
 
2010-04-07 10:19:07 AM  
Do these people EVER get tired of being farking wrong?
 
2010-04-07 10:19:12 AM  
Pretty sure there were rich countries 500 years ago, btw.
 
2010-04-07 10:20:09 AM  
Five hundred years ago, there weren't rich countries in the world.

Really? I mean, really?

Do they actually believe this sh*t?
 
2010-04-07 10:21:09 AM  
Yeah! I mean, if mine owners weren't hindered by rules and regulations, they'd be free to do their own mine maintenance, which would surely be state of the art because they wouldn't want to risk the lives of those expendable, expendable workers. I've got no doubt they would spare no expense to keep everyone safe even if they weren't required to.
 
2010-04-07 10:21:18 AM  
John Stossel is a mustachioed f*cktard and libertarianism is on of the most goddamn retarded hodgepodge ideologies in existence.
 
2010-04-07 10:23:06 AM  

DamnYankees: Pretty sure there were rich countries 500 years ago, btw.


There have been rich countries since there were countries. Someone has to be at the top.
 
2010-04-07 10:23:34 AM  

EvilEgg: There have been rich countries since there were countries. Someone has to be at the top.


*ding*
*ding*
*ding*

WINNAR!!!
 
2010-04-07 10:23:51 AM  

EvilEgg: DamnYankees: Pretty sure there were rich countries 500 years ago, btw.

There have been rich countries since there were countries. Someone has to be at the top.


But they weren't rich in Jesus!
 
2010-04-07 10:27:38 AM  
500 years ago the dominant economic theory was mercantilism... which is all about economic nationalism and countries making themselves rich at the expense of other countries.
 
2010-04-07 10:32:36 AM  

Barbigazi: libertarianism is on of the most goddamn retarded hodgepodge ideologies in existence.


Please explain.
 
2010-04-07 10:37:09 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Barbigazi: libertarianism is on of the most goddamn retarded hodgepodge ideologies in existence.

Please explain.


It's the political equivalent of buffet christianity. It means whatever you want it to mean.
 
2010-04-07 10:40:54 AM  
www.columbia.edu

/what the leader of a poor country 500 years ago might have looked like....
 
2010-04-07 10:41:37 AM  
France, Spain, Italy and England would like to have a word with the authors.
 
2010-04-07 10:42:00 AM  
500 years ago India had the vast majority of the world's gold and platinum known to exist, and virtually all of the diamonds.
 
2010-04-07 10:42:07 AM  

what_now: /what the leader of a poor country 500 years ago might have looked like....


She wasn't alive 500 years ago. She was closer to 400 years ago.
 
2010-04-07 10:42:15 AM  
Also, 10 clicks, 16 comments.

/guilty of not reading the stupid.
 
2010-04-07 10:42:35 AM  
I;'m not entirely sure the British Empire, France, and Spain would quite jive with this historical theory.
 
2010-04-07 10:43:39 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Barbigazi: libertarianism is on of the most goddamn retarded hodgepodge ideologies in existence.

Please explain.


Because if you ask 10 different "libertarians" what that means, you'll get 12 different answers.

Sure there is a dictionary definition, but no one actually listens to that.

Hint: if you want to make abortion and gay marriage illegal, you are not a libertarian.

If you get around on a mobility scooter paid for by medicare, you are not a libertarian.
 
2010-04-07 10:45:57 AM  

DamnYankees: She wasn't alive 500 years ago. She was closer to 400 years ago.


She was born 475 years ago, and took power 450 years ago (approx)

But fine, be that way:

upload.wikimedia.org

/what the leader of a "poor" country looked like APPROXIMATELY 500 years ago.
 
2010-04-07 10:45:58 AM  

benlonghair: Also, 10 clicks, 16 comments.

/guilty of not reading the stupid.


I read it, the only reason I would recommend it is because you can quote any paragraph in there and just tee off on it. It's not even a challenge.
 
2010-04-07 10:46:12 AM  

what_now: If you get around on a mobility scooter paid for by medicare, you are not a libertarian.


What if you decry the scooter as you are riding on it?
 
2010-04-07 10:47:16 AM  
500 years ago, most people had slaves.
 
2010-04-07 10:47:46 AM  

what_now: /what the leader of a poor country 500 years ago might have looked like....


Actually this guy was the leader of the richest nation in the world during the 16th Century.
upload.wikimedia.org

Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire and Charles I of Spain (something about him being his own grand pa, its complicated) at the height of Spain's colonial empire.
 
2010-04-07 10:48:01 AM  

make me some tea: 500 years ago, most people had were slaves.

 
2010-04-07 10:48:34 AM  
500 years ago there was no AIDS. There is AIDS now. Part of the world follows libertarian rules now.

Therefore libertarians cause AIDS.
 
2010-04-07 10:48:37 AM  

EvilEgg: what_now: If you get around on a mobility scooter paid for by medicare, you are not a libertarian.

What if you decry the scooter as you are riding on it?


Then you're a Tea-Partier. A true Palin-American getting rebate checks from the Alaskan government and oil companies and decrying socialism.
 
2010-04-07 10:51:06 AM  
Besides, says Wendy McElroy, the founder of ifeminists.com, "government aid doesn't enrich the poor. Government makes them dependent. And the biggest hindrance to the poor ... right now is the government. Government should get out of the way. It should allow people to open cottage industries without making them jump through hoops and licenses and taxing them to death. It should open up public lands and do a 20th-century equivalent of 40 acres and a mule. It should get out of the way of people and let them achieve and rise."

That's one of the stupidest, most naive things I've read.

/this week anyway
//there's a lot of stupid out there
 
2010-04-07 10:51:07 AM  
www.winkersworld.com


BTW, this is a really shiatty picture. The King sits with his son and his son's dead mother, while his daughters flank him on the very far edge.

Now I'm cool with him pushing his daughters out, because a) they were only girls, and b) he hated both of their mothers, but the really, REALLY twisted thing is that the wife sitting with him is THREE WIVES AGO, and she's been dead for years.

His wife at the time is no where in this picture.

Weird.
 
2010-04-07 10:51:28 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 500 years ago the dominant economic theory was mercantilism... which is all about economic nationalism and countries making themselves rich at the expense of other countries.


Hell, the very BASIS of mercantilism was that there was only a certain amount of cash out there in the world and each nation had to try their god damnedest to keep all of that money in their own region.
 
2010-04-07 10:52:04 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: 500 years ago the dominant economic theory was mercantilism... which is all about economic nationalism and countries making themselves rich at the expense of other countries.


They ended up faking themselves with that too.
 
2010-04-07 10:52:51 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: make me some tea: 500 years ago, most people had were slaves.


Well back then, slaves weren't considered people. Slaves were considered semi-intelligent livestock. That's what I was getting at there.
 
2010-04-07 10:52:58 AM  

Code_Archeologist: Actually this guy was the leader of the richest nation in the world during the 16th Century.


I know..I'm pointing out that England was relatively weak when compared with the rest of Europe for most of the 16th century. Until that first picture, when they opened a can of whoop ass on the Spanish.
 
2010-04-07 10:55:08 AM  

what_now: Code_Archeologist: Actually this guy was the leader of the richest nation in the world during the 16th Century.

I know..I'm pointing out that England was relatively weak when compared with the rest of Europe for most of the 16th century. Until that first picture, when they opened a can of whoop ass on the Spanish.


Very true... that marked the sunset of the Spanish Empire and the rise of the British Empire.
 
2010-04-07 10:55:38 AM  
Calling what we have "free markets" is sort of odd, considering that we have a corporatist protected market that favors some over others. It's hardly the laissez faire "dream market" that folks like to invoke.

We are essentially invoking a corporatist approach in which the state shares interests with the corporations. It is hardly a free market situation, and while it does promote individualism, it is a highly managed sort. Individuals are promoted, so that they can buy things, and keep from being connected.

Most Libertarians advocate policies that only increase corporate power--it is a political philosophy that mask the intentions to become what is essentially a bid for Neo-Feudalism, with corporate entities taking the place of a monarchy, and essentially hoping to be on the inside of the fortress, as opposed to being outside the walls. It masks the policies with things like "freedom" and "individuality" but in the end, political power doesn't derive itself from isolated singletons, but aggregated power of people unified in purpose.

In this sense, "freedom" and "liberty" is essentially code for "alone and unprotected."

This is part of the reason that those who LOVE corporatism have waged such an offensive against Progressives, especially in the GOP, because that represents a clear and present threat. And mask that support by celebrating a cult of the "individual" that essentially saps folks of anything looking like political power, and only turning them into tiny earning machines.

It is the path to a return to serfdom--though, without the noblesse oblige that characterized the feudal system.
 
2010-04-07 10:56:46 AM  
Motherf*ckers need to read some of this:

simran.crownpac.net

Get your learn on.
 
2010-04-07 10:56:48 AM  
Nationalism is a new concept... much newer than 500 years.

You have large swaths of time with large multi ethnic empires and wealth highly concentrated amongst the rich.

It took a shiat load of getting pissed off at things like hereditary wealth and a lack of sovereignty to change that.

Of course, just boiling down world history in the way stossel did is amazingly myopic.
 
2010-04-07 10:57:14 AM  

Barbigazi: It means whatever you want it to mean.


I see.

what_now: Hint: if you want to make abortion and gay marriage illegal, you are not a libertarian.

If you get around on a mobility scooter paid for by medicare, you are not a libertarian.


Exactly what the article said. How bout that.
 
2010-04-07 10:57:30 AM  
Want to really fark with the recently self-proclaimed libertarians like many of the teabaggers?

Start talking about libertarian socialism.
 
2010-04-07 10:57:38 AM  
*sigh* If only those primitive screw-heads knew about economic theory.
 
2010-04-07 10:58:58 AM  

DannyJunior: Motherf*ckers need to read some of this:


take that book with a grain of salt. Start with the various academic criticisms of it.
 
2010-04-07 10:59:32 AM  

Party Boy: Nationalism is a new concept... much newer than 500 years.


WTF are you talking about?

Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'
 
2010-04-07 10:59:49 AM  

what_now: Code_Archeologist: Actually this guy was the leader of the richest nation in the world during the 16th Century.

I know..I'm pointing out that England was relatively weak when compared with the rest of Europe for most of the 16th century. Until that first picture, when they opened a can of whoop ass on the Spanish.


Of course, until the English government stepped in more and more with steep controls on businesses and government-ran charity and so on (after they farked it up so horribly with their "let's help but not really" approach), a very high number of English citizens were trapped in terrible poverty. Through the 18th century over half of England could claim to be or have been under the poverty line. Funny how that lessened greatly once the government started to enforce some things like "business regulation" and "labor laws" and "government welfare" more stringently. The damn commies.
 
2010-04-07 11:00:39 AM  
Five hundred years ago? Fix really, really old. No new!
 
2010-04-07 11:01:13 AM  
I took it upon myself to visit her ifeminists.com. Apparently it's an Ayn Rand fanclub.
 
2010-04-07 11:02:21 AM  

what_now: Party Boy: Nationalism is a new concept... much newer than 500 years.

WTF are you talking about?


Funny.

Hey guy, when did nationalism start. Cite. I know its shocking for some to understand that were talking about an 18th century term that continued to be in its developmental stage until the early 20th, but its important to understand this.
.
 
2010-04-07 11:03:15 AM  
The more confidence a person has that what they produce is not in danger of someone else coming along and hitting them over the head and taking it, the more likely they will want to produce more. I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
 
2010-04-07 11:03:58 AM  

Party Boy: what_now: Party Boy: Nationalism is a new concept... much newer than 500 years.

WTF are you talking about?

Funny.

Hey guy, ...


It's a girl, baby.
 
2010-04-07 11:04:28 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Barbigazi: libertarianism is on of the most goddamn retarded hodgepodge ideologies in existence.

Please explain.


In my experience, roughly 90% of self-identified libertarians are simply Republicans who are too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans because they know how bad the brand image is. It's who you vote for and donate to that determines your label, not what you profess to believe in.

The other 10% spend all day arguing amongst themselves about which sub-faction is the true libertarianism. I've never seen infighting like I have with those people.
 
2010-04-07 11:04:30 AM  

make me some tea: Well back then, slaves weren't considered people. Slaves were considered semi-intelligent livestock. That's what I was getting at there.


Point conceded. :)
 
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