Faust_Motel: Yep, but keep buying those big houses in the 'burbs, as far as you can from where you work/shop/go to the doctor/etc., keep deriding "urban" life as something bad, keep refusing to invest in the community where you do everything but live, and then watch me try to even lift the needle on the care"o" meter off its pin when you whine about how you made all these lifestyle choices based on the idea that gas prices weren't subject to some sort of price volatility.

Live in town, drive less, bike/walk/bus where you can.

Do all that. I live in the city, take public transportation to work, drive a honda civic, walk lots of places, blah, blah, blah, that still doesn't make me want to pay $4 for gas, it just means that it won't be too much of a hardship for me when I have to.

/smug much?

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Faust_Motel: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Isnt it a little early to be a smug pretentious asshole?

Whatever. Living in a place where you personally need to drive a lot, unless you are a rancher,farmer, logger, miner etc. (or a person who works to support one or more of these) is a lifestyle choice. One of the costs of being able to pee off your back porch is that the job/doctor/school/store that you HAVE to utilize may come with a wildly fluctuating (and generally increasing) cost based on the fact that you'll have to buy gas to drive there.

Id rather pay that ($3.40) here than walk to work at -20 or have to share space with anyone else.

Not walking in -20 weather is understandable, but the many Americans do not live in an area with the conditions you do. If weather was not a factor for you would you choose to live 1 hour's driving distance from your job? I wouldn't. I did that kind of commute and I was a miserable fark. When I leave work at 5pm I'm home by 5:05. Why would I want to sit in a car for an extra two hours a day? That is time I would rather spend doing other things.

angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

/dd is 4x4
//drives 35mi each way during anything but ice

Wimp.

/dd is AWD and weighs 8000lbs
//drives 50mi each way during everything, including ice.
///doesn't pay for the gas in it

Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

/dd is 4x4
//drives 35mi each way during anything but ice

Wimp.

/dd is AWD and weighs 8000lbs
//drives 50mi each way during everything, including ice.
///doesn't pay for the gas in it

Oh yeah hotshot? Well my 4x4 weighs only 6000lbs, proving my cocknballs are larger than yours. Good day!

/but ya got me on the other stuff
//luckily not important enough to have to commute on ice

trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

I really hate South Park for making everyone think it's witty to overuse "smug".

Ikam: Faust_Motel: Yep, but keep buying those big houses in the 'burbs, as far as you can from where you work/shop/go to the doctor/etc., keep deriding "urban" life as something bad, keep refusing to invest in the community where you do everything but live, and then watch me try to even lift the needle on the care"o" meter off its pin when you whine about how you made all these lifestyle choices based on the idea that gas prices weren't subject to some sort of price volatility.

Live in town, drive less, bike/walk/bus where you can.

Do all that. I live in the city, take public transportation to work, drive a honda civic, walk lots of places, blah, blah, blah, that still doesn't make me want to pay $4 for gas, it just means that it won't be too much of a hardship for me when I have to.

/smug much?

Good for you. You'll still pay it in your food bill though. Transportation cost of getting food from A to B will be high but the cost of transportation will be mitigated some by shift from truck to rail and barge. We will really feel the sting when we start exporting food to pay our oil bill.

Not even a sentence about supply and demand. They don't even bother to try anymore.

Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

I really hate South Park for making everyone think it's witty to overuse "smug".

I haven't watched South Park since the first season. So, your pronouncement is, in itself, quiet smug.

angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

/dd is 4x4
//drives 35mi each way during anything but ice

Wimp.

/dd is AWD and weighs 8000lbs
//drives 50mi each way during everything, including ice.
///doesn't pay for the gas in it

Oh yeah hotshot? Well my 4x4 weighs only 6000lbs, proving my cocknballs are larger than yours. Good day!

/but ya got me on the other stuff
//luckily not important enough to have to commute on ice

My personal rig weighs 4700lbs, less than my father's (both extended cab pickups), but mine has better torque, horsey power, and fuel economy. Pisses him RIGHT off.

/vroom
//no, seriously, vroom.
///the Ford 300ci straight six is a wonderful motor, but fairly gutless in stock trim.
////The 5.3l Vortec v8 is a much more powerful motor in stock trim, but REALLY shines with a more agressive cam and intake/exhaust
//vroom for slashies.

trotsky: Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

I really hate South Park for making everyone think it's witty to overuse "smug".

I haven't watched South Park since the first season. So, your pronouncement is, in itself, quiet smug.

At least try to use the word correctly. That's twice in row that you've blow it.

Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

I really hate South Park for making everyone think it's witty to overuse "smug".

I haven't watched South Park since the first season. So, your pronouncement is, in itself, quiet smug.

At least try to use the word correctly. That's twice in row that you've blow it.

Quite, Blown, A row.

/rule 1 of the internet, all grammar or spelling complaints will have grammar or spelling errors

trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

You do realize if everyone does a little it adds up to a lot right? If people that are able to walk/bike/rollerskate to their jobs do so it would decrease the demand for oil and free up more oil for transporting your food and items around. But when everyone goes about as business as usual, that does nothing to decrease demand and jacks up the price. If everyone did what they could it would send a real message to these corporations by hitting them where it hurts the most, their giant wallets. My parents were born during the Depression and grew up during WWII and they would always talk about how you had to do "your part" during the war effort. Well, we have been in two wars for quite some time now and yet who in this country has changed their lifestyle? If we want to use resources more responsibly and effectively we all need to change our attitudes a bit.

<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5178926&IDComment=59448920#c594 48920">wiregeek</a>:</b> <i>Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Rapmaster2000: trotsky: Greeaaaaaaaat. Let's crush any hopes of recovery before they even happen. Way to go Gas and Oil companies.

Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

How's that for a smug pronouncement?

I really hate South Park for making everyone think it's witty to overuse "smug".

I haven't watched South Park since the first season. So, your pronouncement is, in itself, quiet smug.

At least try to use the word correctly. That's twice in row that you've blow it.

Quite, Blown, A row.

/rule 1 of the internet, all grammar or spelling complaints will have grammar or spelling errors</i>

Thanks! That's very smug of you. In fact, I may just have to smug it out over your smugster-ish pronouncement.

wiregeek: angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

My personal rig weighs 4700lbs, less than my father's (both extended cab pickups), but mine has better torque, horsey power, and fuel economy. Pisses him RIGHT off.

/vroom
//no, seriously, vroom.
///the Ford 300ci straight six is a wonderful motor, but fairly gutless in stock trim.
////The 5.3l Vortec v8 is a much more powerful motor in stock trim, but REALLY shines with a more agressive cam and intake/exhaust
//vroom for slashies.

Ha! nifty. Mine's an 03 5.3l ecsb, with true dual borlas. Great sound, lost mileage, but really woke up mid and upper rpms. Need a Predator or something to redo the fuel curve now. I like the cam idea though, someday...

crazytrpr: Good for you. You'll still pay it in your food bill though. Transportation cost of getting food from A to B will be high but the cost of transportation will be mitigated some by shift from truck to rail and barge. We will really feel the sting when we start exporting food to pay our oil bill.

Which is exactly why I didn't hop on board the whole 'what do I care, I take the subway to work' train.

Get used to the idea that The Glory Days or over. When the economy comes back, oil prices will surge and the economy will stall again.

Nobody out there is putting in the big bucks to come up with an oil substitute.

Well, except for the rest of the world. I mean here in the US.

/We're so farked.

angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

My personal rig weighs 4700lbs, less than my father's (both extended cab pickups), but mine has better torque, horsey power, and fuel economy. Pisses him RIGHT off.

/vroom
//no, seriously, vroom.
///the Ford 300ci straight six is a wonderful motor, but fairly gutless in stock trim.
////The 5.3l Vortec v8 is a much more powerful motor in stock trim, but REALLY shines with a more agressive cam and intake/exhaust
//vroom for slashies.

Ha! nifty. Mine's an 03 5.3l ecsb, with true dual borlas. Great sound, lost mileage, but really woke up mid and upper rpms. Need a Predator or something to redo the fuel curve now. I like the cam idea though, someday...

07 5.3. My old 2000 had custom tune, full exhaust and intake. My 07 makes more power stock.

trotsky: Oh sure, like Douchey McDouchebag I would just "drive less/bike/walk/bus" but how the frak will my food get here? How will tourism pick up out here? How will my goods and services get delivered? Forgot about that, Mr. McDouchebag? Yes, you did. We whine about the economy but when the things that drive the economy sky rocket, despite low use, we get smugster assholes giving the same old line. How do you like this for an economic prediction from a smug asshole:

"The rapidly rising gas prices, which are unconnected to any notion of the free market or capitalism, will help to hinder any significant economic recovery"

Unconnected my ass. If people hadn't set themselves up to be so fossil fuel dependent, maybe they'd be able to make some choices about using less when the oil magnates try to manipulate things to artificially raise the price. And I didn't forget those other things: Food can be produced and purchased more locally. You can live near most of the goods and services you really need.

Browncoat: Thanks, President Obama!

/Bush also was responsible for high gas prices, right?

Bush is completely responsible for any gas price increases. In perpetuity.

dittybopper: I couldn't really afford to move closer, because the increased housing costs would more than make up for my increased gas costs, not to mention the increased sales taxes and higher property taxes. I figure I spend about $130 in gas a month. Any place that I could live down here for less than my current mortgage + $100 would be a shiathole. And the schools would be much worse. Higher crime risk.

No thank you.

That and for some reason, employers in industries that could set up _anywhere_ seem to prefer to stick themselves into 1-story office-parks in the middle of suburbia that is an hour of bumper-to-bumper traffic from anywhere and inaccessible to public transportation.

One of the few ways that working in heavy industry is actually good - they tend to build in an actual, y'know, place.

DrewCurtisJr: Not even a sentence about supply and demand. They don't even bother to try anymore.

This isn't about supply and demand in the purest sense. Much of this is will be speculation with cheap money chasing higher returns. Aka a bubble short term.

Long term we all will have to deal with peak oil

This current depression was kicked off by high oil prices, people seem to have forgotten that.
The depression created a fertile environment for 0bamuinism, like a cow pie creates a home for flies.

More 0bamunism has been produced and needs to be sold to the public, thats why oil will rise again, provoke another depression...
and then the rest of the Constitution can be shredded by the 0bamunistas.

Faust_Motel: Unconnected my ass. If people hadn't set themselves up to be so fossil fuel dependent, maybe they'd be able to make some choices about using less when the oil magnates try to manipulate things to artificially raise the price. And I didn't forget those other things: Food can be produced and purchased more locally. You can live near most of the goods and services you really need.

Let me guess, you're some 20 year old vegan hipster who won't eat anything grown more than 100 miles away who thinks that you are somehow completely unaffected by the global economy.

JSTACAT: This current depression was kicked off by high oil prices, people seem to have forgotten that.
The depression created a fertile environment for 0bamuinism, like a cow pie creates a home for flies.

More 0bamunism has been produced and needs to be sold to the public, thats why oil will rise again, provoke another depression...
and then the rest of the Constitution can be shredded by the 0bamunistas.

Please, please, please [casts eyes to the skies, extends arms upward like in the Yiddish theater] let this guy be trying to be funny.

crazytrpr: (In response to urbanites) Good for you. You'll still pay it in your food bill though. Transportation cost of getting food from A to B will be high but the cost of transportation will be mitigated some by shift from truck to rail and barge. We will really feel the sting when we start exporting food to pay our oil bill.

Yeah pretty much this. I don't drive much thanks to some decent public transportation and living within walking distance to a grocery store... but there's a bit more to this than what you put in your own tank. Someone's gotta stock that QFC.

angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

My personal rig weighs 4700lbs, less than my father's (both extended cab pickups), but mine has better torque, horsey power, and fuel economy. Pisses him RIGHT off.

/vroom
//no, seriously, vroom.
///the Ford 300ci straight six is a wonderful motor, but fairly gutless in stock trim.
////The 5.3l Vortec v8 is a much more powerful motor in stock trim, but REALLY shines with a more agressive cam and intake/exhaust
//vroom for slashies.

Ha! nifty. Mine's an 03 5.3l ecsb, with true dual borlas. Great sound, lost mileage, but really woke up mid and upper rpms. Need a Predator or something to redo the fuel curve now. I like the cam idea though, someday...

Delicious Borla. I'm running a decent single, 2.5" out, stock header, flowmaster muff, HO cat. Probably going to keep the layout, and trade some noise for some performance with headers, 3" HO cat, and a longer Flowmaster.

07 5.3. My old 2000 had custom tune, full exhaust and intake. My 07 makes more power stock.

And therein lies the rub - the 07 and out are freaking hideous.

/hoping 2011 chevy trucks look good.
//Fords are ugly to my eyes too
///Dodges are for Douchebags, at least up here.

What? I love the way mine looks. And its about 20x better built than my 00. Only thing I dont like is the shiatty stock tires for the z71. They blow compared to a set of BFG ATs

Ikam: crazytrpr: Good for you. You'll still pay it in your food bill though. Transportation cost of getting food from A to B will be high but the cost of transportation will be mitigated some by shift from truck to rail and barge. We will really feel the sting when we start exporting food to pay our oil bill.

Which is exactly why I didn't hop on board the whole 'what do I care, I take the subway to work' train.

Growing some of your own food can help off set that but it is time consuming and fairly expensive. Starting a garden Peppers and tomatoes then moving on to strawberries as we figure this gardening thing out. So we'll focus on some easier to grow "luxury" products and scale up.

Can't do anything about the staples though, Corn, Wheat, potatoes as cost of growing > than price paid at store for many of those items.

Eating local won't do much for you as the local farmers will screw you ;o) Didn't jump on the Locavore band wagon either.

This is all Obama's fault.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What? I love the way mine looks. And its about 20x better built than my 00. Only thing I dont like is the shiatty stock tires for the z71. They blow compared to a set of BFG ATs


Personal preference, sir. the 2011 fixes a lot of of the style choices I disagree with, but as far as I'm concerned, the 2004 is the best looking truck Chevy has produced since 1979.

yakmans_dad [TotalFark] 2010-04-06 11:43:11 AM

// oil prices govern our economy tightly.
a sudden 20% rise brings chaos.
Most folks, being under IQ 100, can not see the cause and effect, thus they believe whatever lie is offered as explanation for the economic destruction.
Communists leverage economic chaos to sell their crummy polices, and create a police state.

// no, i'm not trying for humor.

National Strikes FTW.
as also predicted in the commie handbook,

its time to vote out of season

Ikam: Let me guess, you're some 20 year old vegan hipster who won't eat anything grown more than 100 miles away who thinks that you are somehow completely unaffected by the global economy.

Wrong on all accounts. Meat eater, lots of the food I eat and stuff I use comes from all over the place. Haven't read "The Omnivore's Dilemma." Drive to work periodically. Realizes that fuel prices affect the price of anything that needs to be moved or fertilized. Don't own skinny jeans, way older than 20.

I'm sick of people who have put themselves in especially fuel-dependent positions whining about gas. Buy all the gas you want and pay whatever you can stand for it, just don't complain about it. I come across way too many rural-sprawl yuppies who decided to crap up a nice piece of land in the country with an inefficient house and think they are making it all OK by driving a Prius and navel-gazing at the farmer's market a couple of times a summer.

Some Beer Snob: crazytrpr: (In response to urbanites) Good for you. You'll still pay it in your food bill though. Transportation cost of getting food from A to B will be high but the cost of transportation will be mitigated some by shift from truck to rail and barge. We will really feel the sting when we start exporting food to pay our oil bill.

Yeah pretty much this. I don't drive much thanks to some decent public transportation and living within walking distance to a grocery store... but there's a bit more to this than what you put in your own tank. Someone's gotta stock that QFC.

Its all interrelated, transportation costs and currency valuations

The real bite will happen when we are being out bid in the food market due to a cheap dollar. Ever wonder why prices keep getting higher in the US even though US demand didn't really support those levels? We were simply being out bid due to the dropping dollar at the time. More of the same will happen again

JSTACAT: yakmans_dad [TotalFark] 2010-04-06 11:43:11 AM

// oil prices govern our economy tightly.
a sudden 20% rise brings chaos.
Most folks, being under IQ 100, can not see the cause and effect, thus they believe whatever lie is offered as explanation for the economic destruction.
Communists leverage economic chaos to sell their crummy polices, and create a police state.

// no, i'm not trying for humor.

I was afraid of that.

Let me break it to you gently: you're nuts. See someone professionally.

Communists don't make people consume oil, son. People do that all by themselves. And communists aren't the reason why we're lagging the rest of the industrialized world in the development of alternate sources of energy. You want to get pist? Get pist at the same Oil Patch jerks who've been calling the shots since WW1.

JSTACAT: yakmans_dad [TotalFark] 2010-04-06 11:43:11 AM

// oil prices govern our economy tightly.
a sudden 20% rise brings chaos.
Most folks, being under IQ 100, can not see the cause and effect, thus they believe whatever lie is offered as explanation for the economic destruction.
Communists leverage economic chaos to sell their crummy polices, and create a police state.

// no, i'm not trying for humor.

National Strikes FTW.
as also predicted in the commie handbook,

its time to vote out of season

I lived through some of those strikes, they are no laughing matter. Real communists don't play nice, trade unions are choir boys in comparison. Yes I lived overseas

wiregeek: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What? I love the way mine looks. And its about 20x better built than my 00. Only thing I dont like is the shiatty stock tires for the z71. They blow compared to a set of BFG ATs


Personal preference, sir. the 2011 fixes a lot of of the style choices I disagree with, but as far as I'm concerned, the 2004 is the best looking truck Chevy has produced since 1979.

I agree. The newer style is bigger, a few more interior features, flimsy sheetmetal imo, and you have to get iirc 09+ to get the upgraded transmissions.

I have no problem with communism, as long as it lowers gas prices

Faust_Motel 2010-04-06 11:53:23 AM
I'm sick of people who have put themselves in especially fuel-dependent positions whining about gas..."

// its my customers who suffer, which in turn causes me to suffer.

You may not care about the poor, until they falter and can not carry your fat ass on their backs anymore;
then you will care, in fact it will depress you.

yakmans_dad: JSTACAT: yakmans_dad [TotalFark] 2010-04-06 11:43:11 AM

// oil prices govern our economy tightly.
a sudden 20% rise brings chaos.
Most folks, being under IQ 100, can not see the cause and effect, thus they believe whatever lie is offered as explanation for the economic destruction.
Communists leverage economic chaos to sell their crummy polices, and create a police state.

// no, i'm not trying for humor.

I was afraid of that.

Let me break it to you gently: you're nuts. See someone professionally.

Communists don't make people consume oil, son. People do that all by themselves. And communists aren't the reason why we're lagging the rest of the industrialized world in the development of alternate sources of energy. You want to get pist? Get pist at the same Oil Patch jerks who've been calling the shots since WW1.

No they don't but love to whip a crisis to make things worse so they can take over. Worked in 1917, 1949 and they have been trying to repeat those successes all over the world until the Berlin wall fell.

crazytrpr 2010-04-06 12:00:08 PM
I lived through some of those strikes, they are no laughing matter. Real communists don't play nice, trade unions are choir boys in comparison. Yes I lived overseas"

// You are one of the few to actually know..
It -can- happen here.
it's disgusting to hear and see the distractions, tar babies and straw-men touted by the MSM, and how the general public is lapping it up.

And 0bama sits there like some drug lord, lapping it all up.

Faust_Motel: I'm sick of people who have put themselves in especially fuel-dependent positions whining about gas. Buy all the gas you want and pay whatever you can stand for it, just don't complain about it. I come across way too many rural-sprawl yuppies who decided to crap up a nice piece of land in the country with an inefficient house and think they are making it all OK by driving a Prius and navel-gazing at the farmer's market a couple of times a summer.

We are all in fuel dependent positions, regardless if you own a car or not (just some moreso than others). I haven't owned a car for the majority of my adult life and I'm pushing 40. Even now that I do own a car, I mainly drive it on the weekends as I live within walking distance of my necessities. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that I am so naive that I don't think that fuel prices do not affect me, they do (anyone who knows about the squeeze public transportation is going through partially related to fuel costs should know this) even though I don't drive that often and never drive that 3.5 miles to work. The price of fuel effects everyone, regardless if they live in Manhattan or Montana.

wiregeek: angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: wiregeek: angry_scientist: This will give me an excuse to get my 87 Cutlass running soon then!

My personal rig weighs 4700lbs, less than my father's (both extended cab pickups), but mine has better torque, horsey power, and fuel economy. Pisses him RIGHT off.

/vroom
//no, seriously, vroom.
///the Ford 300ci straight six is a wonderful motor, but fairly gutless in stock trim.
////The 5.3l Vortec v8 is a much more powerful motor in stock trim, but REALLY shines with a more agressive cam and intake/exhaust
//vroom for slashies.

Ha! nifty. Mine's an 03 5.3l ecsb, with true dual borlas. Great sound, lost mileage, but really woke up mid and upper rpms. Need a Predator or something to redo the fuel curve now. I like the cam idea though, someday...

Delicious Borla. I'm running a decent single, 2.5" out, stock header, flowmaster muff, HO cat. Probably going to keep the layout, and trade some noise for some performance with headers, 3" HO cat, and a longer Flowmaster.

07 5.3. My old 2000 had custom tune, full exhaust and intake. My 07 makes more power stock.

And therein lies the rub - the 07 and out are freaking hideous.

/hoping 2011 chevy trucks look good.
//Fords are ugly to my eyes too
///Dodges are for Douchebags, at least up here.

You boys need to drive a diesel full-ton pickup. All your opinions of torque will change when you find yourself towing 5+ tons uphill, hitting the pedal, and accelerating.

I've had gas jobs, '02 chevy 5.3L vortec, 03 chevy 8.1L, wife has a newer half-ton hemi. Any of the big three's diesels will out-haul and out-tow them all and get better mileage in the process.

teamollie: You boys need to drive a diesel full-ton pickup. All your opinions of torque will change when you find yourself towing 5+ tons uphill, hitting the pedal, and accelerating.

I've had gas jobs, '02 chevy 5.3L vortec, 03 chevy 8.1L, wife has a newer half-ton hemi. Any of the big three's diesels will out-haul and out-tow them all and get better mileage in the process.

I would happily sign up for your newsletter if I could park a diesel in my driveway without my father shooting it.

/don't ask
//seriously, don't ask