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2010-04-05 09:10:15 AM
Where the children are untouchable!

/tip waitress
 
2010-04-05 09:11:10 AM
And of course the Catholic faithful will still say the Pope knew nothing
about this.....
 
2010-04-05 09:31:06 AM
When this media-instigated crucifixion of the Church cease?
 
2010-04-05 10:28:58 AM
Donald_McRonald: When this media-instigated crucifixion of the Church cease?

You almost the whole thing.
 
2010-04-05 11:29:21 AM
Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

/on a side note, outsourcing to India has farked up our IT industry
 
2010-04-05 11:41:01 AM
Mugato: Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

I think you just answered your own question.
 
2010-04-05 11:43:26 AM
The Pope should be arrested and the Vatican's assets seized.
 
2010-04-05 11:44:05 AM
In India, you can have an altar boy buggered by the priest with the world's longest fingernails or ear hair.
 
2010-04-05 11:45:38 AM
MasterThief: Mugato: Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

I think you just answered your own question.


No, Jesus Christ is why someone would be a Christian. Interest in supporting pedophiles would be why someone would be a Catholic.
 
2010-04-05 11:45:41 AM
Mugato: Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

/on a side note, outsourcing to India has farked up our IT industry


Err...i'm in that industry and I have jobs almost literally thrown at me constantly. Competent IT is hard to come by these days, and the "services" india provides are half past worthless
 
2010-04-05 11:46:12 AM
Mugato: Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

The "My Guy Is Different" effect: people will always say "Wow, even though
that group is a bunch of liars/crooks/child molesters/etc, my guy is the
exception".

It is the same reason that the Congressman have like a 90% re-election rate;
everyone thinks their guy is OK.

My respect for clergy (any clergy, of any denomination) drops way down when they get above the level of Pastor, because that means they are no
longer primarily ministering to the people or preaching God's word but
playing a political game that has nothing to do with helping people.

I keep waiting for a smoking gun to show up in the form of a letter with
Ratzinger's signature on it from his younger days, but I doubt it.
 
2010-04-05 11:46:34 AM
vernonFL: The Pope should be arrested and the Vatican's assets seized.

Not that I disagree, but who would seize them?
 
2010-04-05 11:47:19 AM
Donald_McRonald: When this media-instigated crucifixion of the Church cease?


When the church stops allowing their people to fark the children.
 
2010-04-05 11:48:21 AM
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2010-04-05 11:50:04 AM
CowFu: Competent IT is hard to come by these days, and the "services" india provides are half past worthless

All I know is that outsourcing to India has cost two of the companies I've worked for a lot of money because they couldn't code and never documented their work. Maybe it's anecdotal but I've heard the same thing from other companies.

The problem is that the people who decide to outsource only care about this quarter's bottom line but it bites them in the ass in the long run.
 
2010-04-05 11:50:25 AM
Q. What are Catholics going to do about it?
A. The same thing they always do: nothing.

/just point, laugh, and move on
 
2010-04-05 11:51:00 AM
Actually you are seeing more priests coming from second and third world countries to the US to run parishes. Many of them do come from India, and the communication barrier is still there. Listening to their homilies, no matter how hard they try is still like listening to outsourced tech support.
 
2010-04-05 11:51:32 AM
Airfoilsguy: Donald_McRonald: When this media-instigated crucifixion of the Church cease?


When the church stops allowing their people to fark the children.


Yeah, what, do you think all this is made up?
 
2010-04-05 11:56:25 AM
If the Vatican makes their priests stop farking little boys, who will fark the little boys? Won't somebody think of the children!?!
 
2010-04-05 11:57:47 AM
 
2010-04-05 12:03:10 PM
Midnight Rambler: Pope Vows To Get Church Pedophilia Down To Acceptable Levels (new window)

I'm not a moron (really) but I honestly thought that was a real headline before I clicked on the link. I mean, that's what they're thinking anyway.
 
2010-04-05 12:06:07 PM
Yeah, if he's guilty, he should be in jail. What if he's innocent though? None of you know him or his accuser. Would any of you return to a foreign country to face criminal charges you were innocent of, especially when everyone there already assumes you are guilty? The bishop believes him to be innocent. Would you give your friends up to the authorities if you believed they were innocent?

I'm not saying that past priests and bishops haven't done or covered up horrible things, and I agree that those people should be in jail. I just don't think this isn't the same situation.
 
2010-04-05 12:09:12 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2010-04-05 12:20:32 PM
The Catholic church isn't the only religious institution that has child abuse. I highly recommend this movie.

www.cinemagora.co.uk
 
2010-04-05 12:21:55 PM
Yeah but in India, dating an 8 year old is all right.
 
2010-04-05 12:22:06 PM
Pollexabator: Q. What are Catholics going to do about it?
A. The same thing they always do: nothing.

/just point, laugh, and move on


In 400 years, they might apologize to Galileo again. Who knows? These people are f*cking crazy.
 
2010-04-05 12:23:04 PM
WTF. This guy was a fugitive. Extradite him and arrest the creep in MN that helped him leave the country and the guy in India who is harboring him there.

It is rather clear that the Catholic church thinks it is above all laws. Fark the lot of them.
 
2010-04-05 12:25:30 PM
Mugato: Jesus Christ, why is anyone still a Catholic?

/on a side note, outsourcing to India has farked up our IT industry


Marty?
 
2010-04-05 12:27:24 PM
picturescrazy: Yeah, if he's guilty, he should be in jail. What if he's innocent though? None of you know him or his accuser. Would any of you return to a foreign country to face criminal charges you were innocent of, especially when everyone there already assumes you are guilty? The bishop believes him to be innocent. Would you give your friends up to the authorities if you believed they were innocent?

I'm not saying that past priests and bishops haven't done or covered up horrible things, and I agree that those people should be in jail. I just don't think this isn't the same situation.


I'm Bernard Law, and I approve this message.
 
2010-04-05 12:27:27 PM
Our local Bishop, Bishop Tobin, gave holy hell to our Senators & Reps for supporting healthcare reform. He said, even though it says federal money won't go to abortion, that a person would have to pay for those services, he said that the money would pretty much "intermingle" in the end.

Oddly, this was the same kind of thinking the Catholic Church was trying to downplay when they said that money from the collection plate wouldn't go towards paying the settlements for the victims of pedo priests.
 
2010-04-05 12:31:05 PM
Mugato: CowFu: Competent IT is hard to come by these days, and the "services" india provides are half past worthless

All I know is that outsourcing to India has cost two of the companies I've worked for a lot of money because they couldn't code and never documented their work. Maybe it's anecdotal but I've heard the same thing from other companies.

The problem is that the people who decide to outsource only care about this quarter's bottom line but it bites them in the ass in the long run.


I seeing a success rate of about 25 to 30%. Meaning that about 2 or 3 out of every resource I work with in India are decent IT workers. And I've worked with 20 or 30 different people in India so far.
 
2010-04-05 12:42:29 PM
As a Roman Catholic, I have to say that many of us -- hopefully most of us -- really have to dig for reasons to stay in communion with Rome. We want to stay for the same reason people on the left didn't flood out of the US when Bush decided that torture was a fun way to spend an afternoon. It's OUR church, not theirs, as much as they'd like to define it in terms of the magisterium.
This attempt gets harder and harder. We have the Pope's pastor equate the uproar with the persecution of the Jews on Friday, the Vatican's Pascha service starting with a Papal pep rally, the lead item on the home page for the Cathedral of St. Paul (which is somewhat co-extensive with the diocese page) being an article about the unfair media witch hunt going on...

But then there was my own priest, who managed to incorporate into his homily a call for Benedict to man up, face the music, and get on with the firings, forced retirements, and defrockings. "He has the biggest hat. The buck stops with him."

Even still, there's an Episcopalian church right down the street...
(And you know it's bad when someone as vindictive over the English colonization of Ireland as I am is considering shifting to the Anglican Communion.)
 
2010-04-05 12:44:23 PM
picturescrazy: Yeah, if he's guilty, he should be in jail. What if he's innocent though? None of you know him or his accuser. Would any of you return to a foreign country to face criminal charges you were innocent of, especially when everyone there already assumes you are guilty? The bishop believes him to be innocent. Would you give your friends up to the authorities if you believed they were innocent?

I'm not saying that past priests and bishops haven't done or covered up horrible things, and I agree that those people should be in jail. I just don't think this isn't the same situation.


The point is, regardless of whether the bishop sincerely thinks he's innocent or not, no one should be above the law. The fact that he's a priest doesn't make it okay for him to avoid having to go through the due process that is used to determine guilt, and it certainly doesn't make it okay for the Catholic Church to help shelter him from prosecution. Their assets in the U.S. should be frozen until they agree to cooperate in securing extradition of these fugitives.

And frankly, a Catholic bishop is not exactly a credible figure these days when it comes to truthfully determining a priests' guilt or innocence of pedophilia.
 
2010-04-05 12:50:30 PM
Our local Bishop, Bishop Tobin, gave holy hell to our Senators & Reps for supporting healthcare reform. He said, even though it says federal money won't go to abortion, that a person would have to pay for those services, he said that the money would pretty much "intermingle" in the end.

Oddly, this was the same kind of thinking the Catholic Church was trying to downplay when they said that money from the collection plate wouldn't go towards paying the settlements for the victims of pedo priests.


Lack of cognitive dissonance: it's a good thing.
 
2010-04-05 12:51:37 PM
Midnight Rambler: Pope Vows To Get Church Pedophilia Down To Acceptable Levels (new window)

I miss back when the Onion wrote satire instead of scarily accurate predictions of the future.
 
2010-04-05 12:54:35 PM
God forbid this wasn't the Catholic Church. If this were a Muslim sect, an Atheist group, or f*cking ACORN there'd be blood in the streets.

But it's the Catholic Church so we'd better tread lightly and not paint the organization bc of the isolated actions of everyone f*cking in charge.
 
2010-04-05 12:54:42 PM
So have the civil authorities requested that he come back yet? I don't see any need for him to do so until they need him back.
 
2010-04-05 12:58:34 PM
MacGabhain: As a Roman Catholic, I have to say that many of us -- hopefully most of us -- really have to dig for reasons to stay in communion with Rome.

I'm an ex-Catholic, but not over this issue (mainly, I just don't believe in their theology, and I had some other major issues with some doctrines such as the contraception thing). Although I don't believe in Christianity or the Catholic Church's authority over human beings, I've always retained some respect for their work on behalf of social justice and the poor. Unfortunately, the current people in charge seem to be hellbent on destroying any sort of reason to have any respect for them.

I wonder if they've thought of how this makes them look to young people? Digging in and refusing to take responsibility for the problem (e.g., the comments about media "gossip" and such) doesn't make them look like they actually care about anything other than retaining their power and prestige.
 
2010-04-05 12:59:50 PM
in the diocese of Ootacamund in southern India.

I think the Octomom should move to Ootacamund.
 
2010-04-05 01:19:53 PM
"Hello. Thank you for calling Catholic Support. My name is Sanji. How long has it been since your last confession?"
 
2010-04-05 01:20:23 PM
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2010-04-05 01:21:36 PM
Donald_McRonald: Our local Bishop, Bishop Tobin, gave holy hell to our Senators & Reps for supporting healthcare reform. He said, even though it says federal money won't go to abortion, that a person would have to pay for those services, he said that the money would pretty much "intermingle" in the end.

Oddly, this was the same kind of thinking the Catholic Church was trying to downplay when they said that money from the collection plate wouldn't go towards paying the settlements for the victims of pedo priests.

Lack of cognitive dissonance: it's a good thing.


_______________


You know, I would pay good money (just not to the Catholic Church) to be present when Bishop Tobin spouts off about intermingling of Federal funds if a parishioner would stand up and loudly ask about what guarantees the church could give that their tithe would not be intermingled with molestation case settlement funds and if not from tithes, where would those funds come from? Oh, and if it comes from selling off church property, can we see a bill of sale?

/Bet I am not the only one. Make it a pay per view event, and I think you could set yourself up for life.
 
2010-04-05 01:21:51 PM
Who does this guy think he is?
Some kind of movie producer?
 
2010-04-05 01:23:29 PM
vernonFL: The Pope should be arrested and the Vatican's assets seized.

He is a head of state ... he cannot be arrested.

DjangoStonereaver: And of course the Catholic faithful will still say the Pope knew nothing about this.....

Even if he didn't ... he does now. To regain any shred of credibility he should forcibly return this priest to the USA and present him to the authorities to participate in the investigation.

To do anything else is to harbor and protect an accused pedophile!
 
2010-04-05 01:23:46 PM
picturescrazy: Yeah, if he's guilty, he should be in jail. What if he's innocent though? None of you know him or his accuser. Would any of you return to a foreign country to face criminal charges you were innocent of, especially when everyone there already assumes you are guilty? The bishop believes him to be innocent. Would you give your friends up to the authorities if you believed they were innocent?

I'm not saying that past priests and bishops haven't done or covered up horrible things, and I agree that those people should be in jail. I just don't think this isn't the same situation.


He's fleeing the law. Because he's been charged with sex crimes.

Fark him AND you.
 
2010-04-05 01:27:28 PM
Who knows if this guy is innocent or guilty, but it is kinda funny how the Catholic church ships accused priests off to other countries where the accused can't be brought to trial.

It reminds me of the Godfather where the young Corleone gets sent off to Italy after he executes a mob hit, to hide out there until the heat dies down. (or until his wife gets blown up.)
 
2010-04-05 01:28:03 PM
Took a little digging, but found this older story with some additional details: Link (new window)

Looks like the "priest" in question came to the US as a visiting priest, allegedly molested a few kids, claimed the "sick family, gotta go back to India" excuse and once he was out of the country, his visitors pass was revoked.

Most damning part of the article: David Baumgartner, vicar-general of the diocese, told reporters that the diocese saw the woman's allegations as credible, DNA India reports.
 
2010-04-05 01:28:12 PM
Farking Canuck: He is a head of state ... he cannot be arrested.

www.panama-guide.com

Really?

/hot
 
2010-04-05 01:30:31 PM
picturescrazy: Yeah, if he's guilty, he should be in jail. What if he's innocent though? None of you know him or his accuser. Would any of you return to a foreign country to face criminal charges you were innocent of, especially when everyone there already assumes you are guilty? The bishop believes him to be innocent. Would you give your friends up to the authorities if you believed they were innocent?

I'm not saying that past priests and bishops haven't done or covered up horrible things, and I agree that those people should be in jail. I just don't think this isn't the same situation.


Sure, I can understand that, and if I were in the situation you described-- knowing I was falsely accused, etc-- I'd be tempted to go all Richard Kimble. But the Pope has at least a moral responsibility to respond to a credible accusation. We can't read minds, and neither can the Pope. If the evidence is sufficient to warrant trial, he should stop using his state powers to protect the accused. If it's not, he should explain the deficiencies and ask if there's more evidence.
 
2010-04-05 01:42:00 PM
Farking Canuck: vernonFL: The Pope should be arrested and the Vatican's assets seized.

He is a head of state ... he cannot be arrested.


Ask this head of state what can happen.
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It might not be all that pleasant, but heads of state can indeed be deposed and disposed of.
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