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(Canoe)   Rich wine collector files fraud lawsuit against auction house, calls them a bunch of corksuckers   (cnews.canoe.ca) divider line 66
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2010-04-01 12:07:27 PM  
Shouldn't it be cork soakers?
 
2010-04-01 12:08:33 PM  
Shouldn't it be *[F5] oh...

What SmackLT said.
 
2010-04-01 12:09:03 PM  
What a cork soaker might look like.

Link (new window)
 
2010-04-01 12:09:29 PM  
fargin iceholes
 
2010-04-01 12:09:32 PM  
And the violated his fargin' rights
 
2010-04-01 12:10:41 PM  
Woot!

i141.photobucket.com
 
2010-04-01 12:11:13 PM  
What you've done is a textbook case of insurance...frowd

www.petoria.ch
 
2010-04-01 12:11:44 PM  
So it's going to be one of those threads...you farkin' iceholes
 
2010-04-01 12:12:21 PM  
My father filed a fraud suit against an auction house once...
 
2010-04-01 12:13:21 PM  
FTFA: William Koch sued the auction house

His friends just call him Willy Koch.
 
2010-04-01 12:13:49 PM  
www.beez.biz

...knock down this fargin wall...

i heart JD
 
2010-04-01 12:14:06 PM  
MonkeyAngst: My father filed a fraud suit against an auction house once...

...so you're getting a kick?
 
2010-04-01 12:14:17 PM  
edgewriter.files.wordpress.com

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.
 
2010-04-01 12:14:19 PM  
those Bastiges.
 
2010-04-01 12:15:49 PM  
Approves
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-04-01 12:18:05 PM  
Those farging corksuckers! They only did it once.
 
2010-04-01 12:19:15 PM  
FTFA: "For years," he said in his latest suit, "counterfeiters wine snobs have duped wine collectors worldwide into paying millions of dollars for near worthless bottles of wine."

Truer words have never been spoken.
 
2010-04-01 12:20:37 PM  
It's all because [Frost Lotus] is too expensive.
 
2010-04-01 12:21:07 PM  
Wine collectors? Here's an idea, buyer beware! You'd think people with money would be a bit more intelligent. What a douche bag.

Maybe collect something a little less gay.
 
2010-04-01 12:21:45 PM  
FTFA: "Koch now says he is convinced the industry is rife with similar examples of fakery."

Hey, this guy's pretty sharp. Next thing you know, he'll be telling us that people knock off OTHER expensive products like Rolex and try to pass them off as genuine.

Say it ain't so!
 
2010-04-01 12:25:45 PM  
Unlike wine snobbery, the price of [Frost Lotus] will drop soon enough.
 
2010-04-01 12:27:20 PM  
OniNeko: FTFA: "Koch now says he is convinced the industry is rife with similar examples of fakery."

Hey, this guy's pretty sharp. Next thing you know, he'll be telling us that people knock off OTHER expensive products like Rolex and try to pass them off as genuine.

Say it ain't so!



Right, but if you go to a classy joint like Christie's and buy an antique Rolex you're supposed to be pretty confident that they have a Rolex authentication guy and that the thing is legit. It's not like this guy is buying the wine off the back of a truck and being surprised that it's bogus.
 
2010-04-01 12:27:29 PM  
www.columbo-site.freeuk.com

Storms out
 
2010-04-01 12:28:43 PM  
It certainly has plenty of nose.
www.darkhorizons.com
/you'll be delighted to hear there's an inexhaustible supply of the stuff
 
2010-04-01 12:32:29 PM  
How would wine taste after 300+ years?
 
2010-04-01 12:33:05 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan: OniNeko: FTFA: "Koch now says he is convinced the industry is rife with similar examples of fakery."

Hey, this guy's pretty sharp. Next thing you know, he'll be telling us that people knock off OTHER expensive products like Rolex and try to pass them off as genuine.

Say it ain't so!


Right, but if you go to a classy joint like Christie's and buy an antique Rolex you're supposed to be pretty confident that they have a Rolex authentication guy and that the thing is legit. It's not like this guy is buying the wine off the back of a truck and being surprised that it's bogus.


Still, I have no idea why anyone would purchase an item that's touted as "formerly owned by (some dead guy from history)". How the hell are you supposed to prove something like that beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of any documentation on the item?
 
2010-04-01 12:33:37 PM  
myspamhere: How would wine taste after 300+ years?

Outstanding.
 
2010-04-01 12:34:33 PM  
MBooda: It certainly has plenty of nose.

/you'll be delighted to hear there's an inexhaustible supply of the stuff


I love you, man.

Cothor: Unlike wine snobbery, the price of [Frost Lotus] will drop soon enough.

While the price of [Frozen Orb]'s will rise.
 
2010-04-01 12:34:57 PM  
OniNeko: Still, I have no idea why anyone would purchase an item that's touted as "formerly owned by (some dead guy from history)". How the hell are you supposed to prove something like that beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of any documentation on the item?

What about a LeBaron from Jon Voight?
 
2010-04-01 12:37:27 PM  
What the auctioneers may look like

th01.deviantart.net
 
2010-04-01 12:37:34 PM  
sboyle1020: OniNeko: Still, I have no idea why anyone would purchase an item that's touted as "formerly owned by (some dead guy from history)". How the hell are you supposed to prove something like that beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of any documentation on the item?

What about a LeBaron from Jon Voight?


Sold!

weblogs.sun-sentinel.com

/hot as usual
 
2010-04-01 12:43:16 PM  
My daddy said once, once............Once!
 
2010-04-01 12:44:19 PM  
Honest Bender: FTFA: "For years," he said in his latest suit, "counterfeiters wine snobs have duped wine collectors worldwide into paying millions of dollars for near worthless bottles of wine."

Truer words have never been spoken.


THIS...a thousand times THIS.

www.endlesssimmer.com
 
2010-04-01 12:48:49 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: Honest Bender: FTFA: "For years," he said in his latest suit, "counterfeiters wine snobs have duped wine collectors worldwide into paying millions of dollars for near worthless bottles of wine."

Truer words have never been spoken.

THIS...a thousand times THIS.


No way, any red two buck chuck tastes like a weak balsamic vinegar, it's nasty. The white wines aren't bad. I'm no wine snob, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
 
2010-04-01 12:49:36 PM  
Robert Mondavi: This isn't wine! (sniffing the drink) It's tequila and 5-Alive and those little marshmallows you put in cocoa.


Link (new window)
 
2010-04-01 12:52:07 PM  
OniNeko: Still, I have no idea why anyone would purchase an item that's touted as "formerly owned by (some dead guy from history)". How the hell are you supposed to prove something like that beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of any documentation on the item?

Same way as any other artifact -- if the documentation or other provenance is established. That's why you use an auction house like Christie's -- they're supposed to have a guy who can examine a bottle to make sure it's from the right period, a different guy who can check the documentation to see that it's not forged, a separate guy who knows if the particular winemaker shipped to Paris that year, etc.
 
2010-04-01 12:53:14 PM  
SmackLT: Shouldn't it be cork soakers?

Done in 1...
 
2010-04-01 12:55:08 PM  
tuxq: Wine collectors? Here's an idea, buyer beware! You'd think people with money would be a bit more intelligent. What a douche bag.

Maybe collect something a little less gay.


Yeah! like Gundam Wing figures. Or stamps. Or pictures of cats. Or pictures of babies dressed like adults.

/Hates wine.
 
2010-04-01 01:00:13 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan: OniNeko: Still, I have no idea why anyone would purchase an item that's touted as "formerly owned by (some dead guy from history)". How the hell are you supposed to prove something like that beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of any documentation on the item?

Same way as any other artifact -- if the documentation or other provenance is established. That's why you use an auction house like Christie's -- they're supposed to have a guy who can examine a bottle to make sure it's from the right period, a different guy who can check the documentation to see that it's not forged, a separate guy who knows if the particular winemaker shipped to Paris that year, etc.


For ever person trying to verify the authenticity of an item, there are people trying to make an item appear authentic and pull a fast one on them. That's my point, all spelled out.
 
2010-04-01 01:00:50 PM  
For every person*

/ffs
 
2010-04-01 01:01:34 PM  
$500,000 for 4 bottles of wine? Is this something he planned to drink? shiat like this just amazes me.
 
2010-04-01 01:01:53 PM  
FTA: "A billionaire collector and yachtsman has uncorked another lawsuit in his 4-year-old battle against fraud in the rare wine business."

www.portentinteractive.com
The plaintiff, dressed for an evening at the theatre.
 
2010-04-01 01:02:33 PM  
whine, whine, wine
 
2010-04-01 01:03:45 PM  
cs.wlu.edu
 
2010-04-01 01:04:38 PM  
Vinegar please?
 
2010-04-01 01:07:41 PM  
You fargin sneaky bastige!
 
2010-04-01 01:14:16 PM  
sboyle1020: StoneColdAtheist: THIS...a thousand times THIS.

No way, any red two buck chuck tastes like a weak balsamic vinegar, it's nasty. The white wines aren't bad. I'm no wine snob, but you have to draw the line somewhere.


IMO their merlot is drinkable, but I agree with you about the rest of their reds. Even the "October Surprise" is very iffy. I always buy a bottle to try before committing to a case.

I used to spend $15-$20 a bottle for wine, thinking there had to be correlation between price and quality. Then I went to one of those wine festivals where they have you blind taste test a wide price range of wines to see what you actually liked. It was a real eye-opener. Turns out that whether you will like a given wine had much more to do with how its made than how much it costs, and that price is no indicator of whether you'll like a given bottle of wine when you don't know the label or price.

Drink wine that you enjoy. Paying too much for wine is like buying a Caddy because it has more plastic gee-gaws than the Chevy it's based on.
 
2010-04-01 01:20:38 PM  
They should be deported to Sweden.
 
2010-04-01 01:24:36 PM  
MikeFallopian: What the auctioneers may look like

First thing I thought of. Best episode of one of the best shows ever!

Wine Counterfeiting is apparently a major problem these days, which has led the high-end French vineyards to put holograms and all sorts of crap on their bottles.
 
2010-04-01 01:27:12 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: IMO their merlot is drinkable, but I agree with you about the rest of their reds. Even the "October Surprise" is very iffy. I always buy a bottle to try before committing to a case.

I used to spend $15-$20 a bottle for wine, thinking there had to be correlation between price and quality. Then I went to one of those wine festivals where they have you blind taste test a wide price range of wines to see what you actually liked. It was a real eye-opener. Turns out that whether you will like a given wine had much more to do with how its made than how much it costs, and that price is no indicator of whether you'll like a given bottle of wine when you don't know the label or price.

Drink wine that you enjoy. Paying too much for wine is like buying a Caddy because it has more plastic gee-gaws than the Chevy it's based on.


Guilty...I love Yellowtail. I'm a big fan of "new world" wines that have more bite to them, "peppery" if you will. And you can get a big bottle for $13.
 
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