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2010-03-28 10:04:26 AM
Bergen voters have held tight to their no-shopping tradition, defeating prior attempts to lift the ban. The most recent referendum, in 1993, was defeated by about 80,000 votes. A 1980 attempt to overturn the blue laws lost by nearly 35,000 votes.

Governor Tubbo doesn't really care WHAT the voters want, it's what HE wants! Since he already knows that he is going to be a one term dictator he will have to hurry in order to give his Big Business Buddies EVERYTHING they want.

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2010-03-28 10:12:43 AM
I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.
 
2010-03-28 10:28:16 AM
"Sundays in this town are wonderful," said Carl Shaw, a 56-year-old Bergen County native who owns Norton Paints in Paramus, which is closed on Sundays by law. "To the people who say 'I need it now,' I say 'Plan ahead or come Saturday or Monday.'"

NO.

lajimi: Governor Tubbo doesn't really care WHAT the voters want, it's what HE wants!

Are you familiar with Mayor Bloomberg? The man has single-handedly redefined ego in office.
 
2010-03-28 10:42:22 AM
Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?
 
2010-03-28 10:43:26 AM
revenue
 
2010-03-28 10:44:44 AM
Verrai: Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?

Okay, that was a little incoherent. Basically, Sundays are pleasantly quiet. That's a huge relief when you live in the largest retail area in the country. I could see changing the day of the week to some other day to accomodate the Orthodox Jews (who are a substantial population locally and usually the loudest opponents of the ban), but we need a day off from the retail mayhem.
 
2010-03-28 10:45:17 AM
AKA referred to a 'Christian sabbath observance' laws.

Can't wait till I can go to the local Hardware store on a Sunday without driving to Passaic or Hudson County. Can't wait 24 hours when a pipe leaks in your basement.

/Lives in Bergen County
//Subby
 
2010-03-28 10:46:53 AM
The state of North Dakota has a good compromise. Stores can open at noon on Sunday.

It works out rather well, it lets stores take care of maintenance at the front end of the store and other high traffic areas that would be hard to do otherwise, especially in a 24 hour store.

It also means that you don't have to be out at 6AM to get the Sunday sales items. Everyone gets just a little bit of a break.
 
2010-03-28 10:47:01 AM
The idea that if you can't buy a six-pack of beer until noon on Sunday ( as in Minnesota ), then you'll just have to go to church. Same thing for states that don't allow hunting on Sunday. (Damn, Clem, we can't go hunting, so let's go to church!) Stupid people pushing their beliefs on others. I remember about 40 years ago, when the cops arrested all the checkers at the Target store in Duluth, Minnesota for selling on Sunday.
 
2010-03-28 10:47:06 AM
Verrai: Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?


Doesn't seem to bother Wayne, and that town makes Paramus look like paradise when comparing the road design.
 
2010-03-28 10:49:06 AM
All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.
 
2010-03-28 10:50:48 AM
TFA: a nightmare on Saturdays

hmm, maybe if stores were open on Sunday it wouldn't be so bad on Saturday
/Sunday isn't a holiday to a LOT of people
 
2010-03-28 10:50:56 AM
Bohemian: All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.

This.
 
2010-03-28 10:51:00 AM
i don't live there, so my opinion is largely irrelevant, as are all my internet opinions. but here goes.

removing the law does mean that retail stores will be forced to open on sunday, although most will likely choose to do so.

having stores open on sunday does not mean that the consumer will be forced to shop on sunday, although many may choose to do so.
 
2010-03-28 10:51:34 AM
Colorado used to ban alcohol sales on Sundays. It was overturned a few years back. We actually had medical marijuana before we could buy beer on Sundays. Blue laws are stupid.
 
2010-03-28 10:52:35 AM
lobootomy: "Sundays in this town are wonderful," said Carl Shaw, a 56-year-old Bergen County native who owns Norton Paints in Paramus, which is closed on Sundays by law. "To the people who say 'I need it now,' I say 'Plan ahead or come Saturday or Monday.'"

NO.

lajimi: Governor Tubbo doesn't really care WHAT the voters want, it's what HE wants!

Are you familiar with Mayor Bloomberg? The man has single-handedly redefined ego in office.


Yeah, and you make a VERY good point. HOWEVER, Tubbo the Magic Clown is gaining on him. As I stated, he doesn't care about what the voters want, it's all about what his rich cronies want.
 
2010-03-28 10:53:20 AM
if your alcohol problem is so bad that you can't go one day without booze then check yourself into rehab.
 
2010-03-28 10:53:27 AM
tomWright: Verrai: Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?

Doesn't seem to bother Wayne, and that town makes Paramus look like paradise when comparing the road design.


Well, when the state redesigns Rte 4 and Rte 17 for us, maybe they can repeal the ban. Plus, Wayne is further away from NYC and draws a lot of its customers... from Bergen County, on Sundays.

planes: The idea that if you can't buy a six-pack of beer until noon on Sunday ( as in Minnesota ), then you'll just have to go to church. Same thing for states that don't allow hunting on Sunday. (Damn, Clem, we can't go hunting, so let's go to church!) Stupid people pushing their beliefs on others. I remember about 40 years ago, when the cops arrested all the checkers at the Target store in Duluth, Minnesota for selling on Sunday.

This is absolutely not a religious issue locally (except, as I said, for the Orthodox Jews, who oppose it). Bergen County is extremely secular and substantially Jewish, and the local Christians are mostly non-attending Catholics. Also, purchasing alcohol is perfectly legal on Sundays, even in draconian Paramus.
 
2010-03-28 10:54:38 AM
Wow, I thought Washington was backwards for making you go to a state-ran store for a bottle of rum.

Its good to know that other places are even dumber.
 
2010-03-28 10:55:17 AM
zepplinrules: Bohemian: All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.

This.



Further, anyone enforcing or promoting blue laws is working in direct opposition to the 1st Amendment, and should be strung up from the nearest light-post.

/Why yes, I believe forcing your religious beliefs on others should be a capital offense.
 
2010-03-28 10:56:13 AM
Verrai: Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?


The only justification for profit is profit

write that down
 
2010-03-28 10:56:46 AM
atheist1295: zepplinrules: Bohemian: All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.

This.


Further, anyone enforcing or promoting blue laws is working in direct opposition to the 1st Amendment, and should be strung up from the nearest light-post.

/Why yes, I believe forcing your religious beliefs on others should be a capital offense.


Read the thread, read the article, understand the topic. This law is not a religious one. The fact that it's Sunday is arbitrary (and historically Christian, I suppose, but not currently).
 
2010-03-28 10:57:26 AM
I'm from Scotland, but went to college in England, which still had Sunday trading restrictions in place at the time. I was gobsmacked one Sunday afternoon when I drove out to the huge Tesco at Bar Hill and found it closed. They lifted these in the mid 90's (Scotland, like continental Europe, allowed Sunday trading from the 1970's).

In the Scottish Western Isles, where people are still very religious, there is still a strong movement against Sunday trading, and stores stay closed voluntarily (ones that didn't would be boycotted by the locals, and thus go out of business). Every so often Caledonian MacBrayne (ferry company) or British Airways / Loganair will try to put on a Sunday service to one of the larger islands, and the older locals flip out.

Eventually, like the rest of the country, the Western Isles will secularise, but I must admit (as a committed atheist) that I find Sundays out there very peaceful.


Here in Austin, TX we have a lot of those giant Baptist churches that recruit the Gen Y'ers with things like dating events, and they create traffic problems so bad that they are required to hire cops to direct it.
 
2010-03-28 10:57:57 AM
Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

When I was a little kid (early 80s), most stores in Tampa, Florida were closed, except for supermarkets, gas stations, and the movies.

Connecticut is probably going to get rid of its Sunday liquor blue laws soon (New Haven is where the term "blue law" came from). Leading the charge for repeal are supermarkets, who don't want to lose Sunday beer sales to store in Mass or NY. The loudest opposing the repeal are independent liquor store owners, who are lazy and like having the day off (and not having to work past 9 PM).
 
2010-03-28 11:02:11 AM
Thisbymaster: if your alcohol problem is so bad that you can't go one day without booze then check yourself into rehab.

Didn't read the article, eh?

'Cause you can buy booze on Sunday. But you can't buy a sump pump to pump out your flooded basement.
 
2010-03-28 11:03:32 AM
I remember that one state had a law on the books states that if there were 3 or more indigenous personnel out in the open, they could be considered a war party and run out of town.
 
2010-03-28 11:06:33 AM
I am currently living in a staunch catholic country where everything is closed on a sunday except, wonderful my farken ass.
 
2010-03-28 11:06:59 AM
Thisbymaster: if your alcohol problem is so bad that you can't go one day without booze then check yourself into rehab.

I don't know about you, but Sunday is often the one day of the week I will drink, especially during football season. It was rather annoying to have to decide on Saturday what my Sunday plans were and stock up accordingly. Fortunately I've left Georgia.
 
2010-03-28 11:09:06 AM
Verrai: Mugato: I didn't even know about blue laws, outside liquor. That's farking retarded.

Trust me. I'm from Bergen County, and it's a good thing. The shopping chaos here on the other six days of the week need not be repeated other days of the week. I mean, Paramus is already the #1 retail zip code in the country operating on a six-day week; do we really need to increase that?


Give me a break. I have clients in Mahwah, so travel up there a LOT. The only time I encounter traffic is getting back onto Parkway South and it's no worse than pretty much any where else I travel in the state.

Perhaps the retail traffic is so dense Mon-Sat BECAUSE you've got a shortened retail week. It's the equivalent of shutting down 1 lane on a highway--the other lanes now have to take on a heavier volume of cars.
 
2010-03-28 11:11:09 AM
basilbrush: I am currently living in a staunch catholic country where everything is closed on a sunday except, wonderful my farken ass.

your ass is open on sundays?

NNTAWWT
 
2010-03-28 11:15:18 AM
Verrai:
Well, when the state redesigns Rte 4 and Rte 17 for us, maybe they can repeal the ban. Plus, Wayne is further away from NYC and draws a lot of its customers... from Bergen County, on Sundays.

This is absolutely not a religious issue locally (except, as I said, for the Orthodox Jews, who oppose it). Bergen County is extremely secular and substantially Jewish, and the local Christians are mostly non-attending Catholics. Also, purchasing alcohol is perfectly legal on Sundays, even in draconian Paramus.


I guess you missed the service roads and huge fly-over ramps they built in past few years by the Rt. 208 merge, GSP and Ikea?

Your demographics are just plain wrong. I have lived in B.C. for almost 5 decades, since I was 3, with only a few years in other parts of the U.S.. This is an old issue and well known issue here.

So far as not being a religious issue, you are only partly correct. There is a large contingent of supporters whose reasons are based on religious reasons. Though I suspect that most supporters are like you, and just want a quiet day on the roads.

I sympathize with the quiet roads position, since I ride a bicycle many days of the week, at least in warm weather. Saturdays before lunch are OK, after that it gets scary.

But I also believe that I have no right to demand restrictions on my neighbors peaceful behavior, just for my convenience or aesthetic values.
 
2010-03-28 11:16:25 AM
Verrai: Read the thread, read the article, understand the topic. This law is not a religious one. The fact that it's Sunday is arbitrary (and historically Christian, I suppose, but not currently).

You DO realize that Blue Laws were initially invented to enforce a strict moral code, right? And that the reason they're on a Sunday was a religious one? Bergen's current population may not be using that as a reason to keep them now, but at least lend a little credibility to yourself by recognizing they were initially installed with a religious intention.

/Grew up in Hudson County. We laughed at your backwards ways
//Now in Ocean County. Still laughing at your lost revenue.
 
2010-03-28 11:16:53 AM
not related to legal issues, but the cause of many screams of frustration from me on sunday mornings:

www.customersarealways.com

\ love those chicken breakfast thingys
 
2010-03-28 11:19:18 AM
So your basement is flooded and you can't buy a farking sump? Fark that nonsense!
 
2010-03-28 11:21:31 AM
You know, money talks and blue laws walk, but they can't touch my three lock box.

Yow!
 
2010-03-28 11:22:23 AM
Verrai: atheist1295: zepplinrules: Bohemian: All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.

This.


Further, anyone enforcing or promoting blue laws is working in direct opposition to the 1st Amendment, and should be strung up from the nearest light-post.

/Why yes, I believe forcing your religious beliefs on others should be a capital offense.

Read the thread, read the article, understand the topic. This law is not a religious one. The fact that it's Sunday is arbitrary (and historically Christian, I suppose, but not currently).


If it's so arbitrary, they should change it to another day of the week to prove it.

That said, all of this complaining about "We need a break!" is completely preposterous. The rest of the country does just fine, and you will, too.
 
2010-03-28 11:23:33 AM
FTA: "We're all quite perplexed on how he intends to do this," Sarlo said. "He's taking it away from the will of the people."

Christie figures he can go against the will of the people just like Obama.
 
2010-03-28 11:23:37 AM
The best "blue law," if you can call it that: We're banned from buying beer only from 4 to 7 a.m. daily. Party on, Garth.
 
2010-03-28 11:26:30 AM
"The blue laws have been in effect in Bergen County since the 1950s to give our citizens ... one day of rest from the traffic jams, noise pollution and accidents that are a nightmare on Saturdays and long weekends," McNerney told the panel.

So why not just have it everyday? No traffic, noise pollution, or accidents. Everyone can get a break everyday.
 
2010-03-28 11:28:17 AM
brigid_fitch:
You DO realize that Blue Laws were initially invented to enforce a strict moral code, right? And that the reason they're on a Sunday was a religious one? Bergen's current population may not be using that as a reason to keep them now, but at least lend a little credibility to yourself by recognizing they were initially installed with a religious intention.


While I'm not generally pro-religious-laws, I'll make an argument for providing/maintaining for some sort of secular sabbath by law. It gives more (not all) workers a guarantee that they won't have the risk of being scheduled on one day a week, the same day, all the time. Even for a worker who doesn't go to church, this can provide an opportunity to plan regular get-togethers with friends or regular family time on that day. I think even religious people can get behind this law.

There's also something to be said for having a day that's not like any other day in terms of commerce and noise. Society's already manic and material-driven as it is. What's wrong with having one day where you can't buy a new iPod or a new car?
 
2010-03-28 11:31:31 AM
Thisbymaster: if your alcohol problem is so bad that you can't go one day without booze then check yourself into rehab.


Who needs an alcoholism problem to drink on Sunday? Like anything else when one gets a feeling for a nice cold drink, candy, ice cream,bag of chips, a cold beer or a bottle of MD 20/20 who the hell are you to tell me I can't have it just because "its Sunday" Worship any imaninary sky being you wish but dont force you beliefs on the rest of us who know how to live.
 
2010-03-28 11:33:50 AM
Bartleby the Scrivener: basilbrush: I am currently living in a staunch catholic country where everything is closed on a sunday except, wonderful my farken ass.

your ass is open on sundays?

NNTAWWT


haha damn lack of coffee, except "one or two tourist shops", .
 
2010-03-28 11:35:44 AM
indylaw: brigid_fitch:
You DO realize that Blue Laws were initially invented to enforce a strict moral code, right? And that the reason they're on a Sunday was a religious one? Bergen's current population may not be using that as a reason to keep them now, but at least lend a little credibility to yourself by recognizing they were initially installed with a religious intention.

While I'm not generally pro-religious-laws, I'll make an argument for providing/maintaining for some sort of secular sabbath by law. It gives more (not all) workers a guarantee that they won't have the risk of being scheduled on one day a week, the same day, all the time. Even for a worker who doesn't go to church, this can provide an opportunity to plan regular get-togethers with friends or regular family time on that day. I think even religious people can get behind this law.

There's also something to be said for having a day that's not like any other day in terms of commerce and noise. Society's already manic and material-driven as it is. What's wrong with having one day where you can't buy a new iPod or a new car?


Um, stay home then?
 
2010-03-28 11:38:47 AM
Verrai: Read the thread, read the article, understand the topic. This law is not a religious one. The fact that it's Sunday is arbitrary (and historically Christian, I suppose, but not currently).


Oh please, it's because it's historically Christian that they have tried to justify it with non-Christian reasons.
 
2010-03-28 11:42:52 AM
indylaw: brigid_fitch:
You DO realize that Blue Laws were initially invented to enforce a strict moral code, right? And that the reason they're on a Sunday was a religious one? Bergen's current population may not be using that as a reason to keep them now, but at least lend a little credibility to yourself by recognizing they were initially installed with a religious intention.

While I'm not generally pro-religious-laws, I'll make an argument for providing/maintaining for some sort of secular sabbath by law. It gives more (not all) workers a guarantee that they won't have the risk of being scheduled on one day a week, the same day, all the time. Even for a worker who doesn't go to church, this can provide an opportunity to plan regular get-togethers with friends or regular family time on that day. I think even religious people can get behind this law.

There's also something to be said for having a day that's not like any other day in terms of commerce and noise. Society's already manic and material-driven as it is. What's wrong with having one day where you can't buy a new iPod or a new car?


When your basement's flooded and you can't do a thing about it, like in TFA. For me, it doesn't matter--I don't live there but still think it's stupid. Until about 1980, Ocean Grove, NJ would lock its gates at midnight and wouldn't let you drive in town on Sundays. So, if you wanted to visit a friend, you had to be sure to be out by midnight. If you felt like going out there on a Sunday, you'd have to park in either Neptune or Asbury Park (NOT nice neighborhoods then, only marginally better now) and walk. But you couldn't use the beach on Sundays & all the shops were closed, so why bother going out there? And the town declined due to lost revenue, until it got to the point where we called it Ocean Grave. In the 1990's it picked up considerably and now it's a cute little town. But it took 10 years of lifting their dumb, decidedly religious (huge Methodist population), to get it there.

Will the same happen to Bergen? I don't know. But it would make sense to follow Ocean Grove's example than find out.
 
2010-03-28 11:43:43 AM
just because a law that curbs retail activity on sundays is repealed DOES NOT MEAN you HAVE to go shopping on Sunday. However, if you are so inclined to go shopping on a Sunday, then by all means do so.

I don't see a problem here.

I learned one thing in the MD, DE, NJ, NY area...traffic sucks in the megalopolis. Learn to live with it.
 
2010-03-28 11:50:14 AM
Lord Farkwad: FTA: "We're all quite perplexed on how he intends to do this," Sarlo said. "He's taking it away from the will of the people."

Christie figures he can go against the will of the people just like Obama.


I love this kind of talk. It warms my aged hippie heart with nostalgia. It's like we're right back in the late sixties again, where "small, noisy minority" = "The People".
 
2010-03-28 11:50:17 AM
I'm sorry, I understand all the rationalizations behind blue laws but they're still retarded. I live in Tampa, not even a big city and traffic sucks 7 days a week. You deal with it. If it's a religious thing, that shouldn't even be legal. Sunday's not even supposed to be the Sabbath anyway, it's Saturday.

/still pissed that Chick fil A is closed on Sundays
 
2010-03-28 11:56:38 AM
Bohemian: All blue laws should be banned. Unless you can come up with a sufficient reason due to public safety or public health they should all be done away with.

god's mouthpiece says so.
 
2010-03-28 11:56:42 AM
I love it. Every time it comes up on a ballot the noisy whiny people of paramus shake with vitriol and rage. "I like my sanity, my privacy, my peace and quiet!" They also love the massive reduction in property taxes that come with having 5 malls in the town. Tell you what, you want no shopping on Sundays, then give up your tax ratables. Pay the full boat like the rest of us and then talk to me about how much your sanity and quiet is worth to you.

One of the reasons why saturdays are so jammed with people and traffic is BECAUSE of the blue law. If people had the option to shop Sunday, they'd be less likely to jam up 4 & 17 and every other highway on Saturday.

//stupid is as stupid does
 
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