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		Old and busted: NIMBY response to sex offenders. New hotness: Alzheimer's patients? Not in my neighborhood (startribune.com)		91
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zabadu		2010-03-26 07:55:58 PM

Freaking emo yuppie types. They figure they'll never get old. F-them.

ptelg		2010-03-26 07:56:52 PM

Turns out guys they just don't like the location. Between an elementary school and a daycare. Then again. All three of these demographics need.

1. Constant care
2. Constant supervision

And provide.

1. Constant screaming
2. Constant fecal matter throwing.

So I guess I don't see the problem.

ptelg		2010-03-26 07:58:22 PM

meathome		2010-03-26 08:00:24 PM

fushigi:

It almost works better as a political panic button - after all, there are old people everywhere, and any one of them could potentially be an Alzheimer's sufferer. And you wouldn't even know.

The interesting thing is that most of them don't know it either.

/sorry, had to go there

tonesskin		2010-03-26 08:01:03 PM

The people moving into this area are the same kind of people who are for not letting poor people die when they can't afford medicine. Why do they hate America?

tonesskin		2010-03-26 08:04:25 PM

006andahalf		2010-03-26 08:08:59 PM

davidphogan: Huggermugger: /rich suburbanite homeowners are some of the most vicious people on the planet

I like the tactic some used near San Diego in the '70s to stop a freeway. They flat out lied and made up their own maps of where it was going to go. Rather than through a canyon a mile from houses, they drew it going through the middle of town.

People around there still think it was going to wipe out most of Poway, when in reality it was going to run through land that wasn't developed until thirty years later.

But hey, why debate something on the facts when you can just as easily lie and scare people into line?

For what it's worth, maybe some of those folks were the same ones who were told that old Rancho Bernardo *wasn't* going to end up at the bottom of Lake Hodges.

/got nothin'
//can imagine this idiocy in 4S Ranch

BitwiseShift		2010-03-26 08:11:18 PM

Fear of lowered property values? Unregulated superbanks with subprime loan portfolio and a Bachmanesque disregard for everything will guarantee that.

Old, tired people down the street --- not so much.

illicit		2010-03-26 08:11:27 PM

Oh, just ignore them. They'll forget about those patients soon enough.

TommyJReed		2010-03-26 08:11:28 PM

I got it the same place you did tonesskin, your mothers vagina. The only difference being I got it from going in, not from the journey out.

missmez		2010-03-26 08:13:27 PM

silentneep: missmez: While I'm not defending the NIMBY-ism, I must say many of you don't fully understand Alzheimer's and dementia. Many sufferers of eith disease become inappropriately sexual in their behavior or violent. Would you really want your kid walking by and seeing someone's grandpa quietly fapping on the porch?

Why are you going to let your kids play unsupervised at the Alzheimer's facility?

I don't have any children. What I do have is experience shopping old folks homes and group homes for my now deceased grandfather. Each and every one had chairs lined up in front where the old folks could sit and watch the world go by. Or behave inappropriately if they felt compelled to do so.

Dawnrazor		2010-03-26 08:13:45 PM

I kind of understand their argument. After all, from a distance, it's very hard to tell the difference between an Alzheimer's patient and a zombie.

MAYORBOB		2010-03-26 08:15:25 PM

As someone diagnosed in the early stages of Alzheimers, I forgot how I'm feeling about these responses.

SwiftFox		2010-03-26 08:31:17 PM

Dawnrazor: I kind of understand their argument. After all, from a distance, it's very hard to tell the difference between an Alzheimer's patient and a zombie.

Help! My grandfather fell down and he's getting up!

Bender The Offender		2010-03-26 08:38:46 PM

TommyJReed: When i lived in Jersey the put an "alzheimers and dementia management facility" near my house. The problem wasn't the alzheimers patients. It was the dementia patients who were by and large younger and much more violent. One day a patient with end stage HIV/AIDS and open Lessions wandered away from the facility and attacked one of my neighbors, who was elderly herself. she was lucky that she wasn't infected with HIV when he bit her a few times. point of the story is that it's not the alzheimers patients, but the other people the state will attempt to shove in there that are the problem.

Hey, cool story bro. Why don't you tell us how this "patient zero" escaped. Did someone remove his wanderguard? Did someone key the code number into the magnetic door to let him out? More importantly, are you full of shiat? Seriously, Facilities for Alzheimers/dementia are built to be secure facilities. Not saying it impossible for a demented, "lesion covered end-stage aids patient" to wander off, but given what I know about dementia, just how the fark did this person managed to walk and bite your neighbor? I've seen about 80 people with aids dementia, I've never seen one that could ambulate independently. I think it's more than likely you're full of shiat.

davidphogan		2010-03-26 08:39:50 PM

006andahalf: //can imagine this idiocy in 4S Ranch

4S Ranch? I can. I've never seen a suburban part of San Diego that wasn't filled with NIMBY's, even if they were just hurting themselves in the long run. See also Regents Rd, Camino Ruiz/Camino Del Sur, Rancho Santa Fe/Encinitas, Tierrasanta, etc. Lots and lots of projects that communities were designed around that got blocked once people bought houses in those communities.

It's one thing to be opposed to a project, it's another to let it get started, buy a lot nearby knowing the plan, then complain it's going to be finished. Look at the idiots who moved in near MCAS Miramar then complained about noise, or the idiots near Balboa Park or Point Loma complaining about the airport.

Any city with enough money (and entitlement of its residents) will hit this level of crazy and just make shiat up to block anything they can.

davidphogan		2010-03-26 08:41:01 PM

Bender The Offender: just how the fark did this person managed to walk and bite your neighbor?

I'd guess he's seen too many zombie movies.

Dexter's Next Victim		2010-03-26 08:46:09 PM

The Alzheimer's facility is the latest in a growing list of projects across the metro that are meeting resistance from neighbors who perceive a threat to their communities or fear their property values will erode.

Really, when I read stuff like this I wonder is capitalism over socialism?

/go ahead and condemn me

StreetlightInTheGhetto		2010-03-26 08:48:50 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: As someone who just lost his Grandfather to alzheimers this morning. Fark this people. Fark'em with rakes and gazebos.

/please resume the snark.
// I need laughs...

Sorry about that.

It might make you feel better to think of the single moment of cognizant thought some of these douchebags might have as they succumb to dementia or Alzheimer's themselves, when they realize there's a good chance of karma coming around to bite them in the ass.

Well... it kinda made me laugh.

Both grandmothers had Alzheimers/dementia. And even in the affordable, bare-bones but kind Catholic non-profit homes they were in, there was NO WAY IN HELL they could get out the door. Hell, it took me a few accidental alarm trips before I figured out how to get out, and I didn't have a monitor on.

Heck, even when my one grandma was living with us, before she really became, lost, for lack of a better word... there was no way she'd get more than two houses down (we had *decent* neighbors, you see, and they knew what was up), and getting to the front door without one of us noticing never even happened.

Sigh.

/Douchebags

VictorOfBorge		2010-03-26 08:56:39 PM

Paging Karma. Karma, please report to "Woodbury." Karma, please bring senile dementia, Alzheimer's, and various organic brain diseases with you. There are a lot of NIMBY'S in need of beat down. That is all.

Currently I'm taking care of my Mother who is having memory problems... she took care of thousands of others during her nursing career, and after she retired took care of my Father through almost 10 years of senile dementia. The least I can do is take care of her, now.

ptelg		2010-03-26 08:57:51 PM

Dexter's Next Victim: The Alzheimer's facility is the latest in a growing list of projects across the metro that are meeting resistance from neighbors who perceive a threat to their communities or fear their property values will erode.

Really, when I read stuff like this I wonder is capitalism over socialism?

/go ahead and condemn me

Socialism wins every time.

cmb53208		2010-03-26 09:02:47 PM

Dear God how I hate the farking 'burbs. All that whining and all those poorly built McMansions. Y'know, I hope when we have race riots again I do hope the 'burbs get burned to the ground. Ghetto losers and suburbanites: they deserve each other.

Darth Mewling		2010-03-26 09:02:55 PM

VictorOfBorge: Paging Karma. Karma, please report to "Woodbury." Karma, please bring senile dementia, Alzheimer's, and various organic brain diseases with you. There are a lot of NIMBY'S in need of beat down. That is all.

Currently I'm taking care of my Mother who is having memory problems... she took care of thousands of others during her nursing career, and after she retired took care of my Father through almost 10 years of senile dementia. The least I can do is take care of her, now.

You know, there is a way to solve these problems. When life is over it's over. I know it's cold but one of these will end everyones suffering.

douglaslperry.files.wordpress.com

ajgeek		2010-03-26 09:12:50 PM

I could see reasons, the neighborhood could be dangerous to people who have problems with awareness. Putting them there could be threatening to their health...

FTFA: In the face of overwhelming opposition from residents in an upscale community called Stonemill Farms in eastern Woodbury, plans for a 45-unit assisted-living facility for people with Alzheimer's disease and other forms of dementia have been put on hold.

Oh, it's a bastard farking HOA. HEY ARSEHOLES! I live next to a GRAVEYARD! At least your neighbors aren't dead!

/and Americans wonder why we're called arrogant pricks

davidphogan		2010-03-26 09:26:02 PM

VictorOfBorge: Paging Karma. Karma, please report to "Woodbury." Karma, please bring senile dementia, Alzheimer's, and various organic brain diseases with you. There are a lot of NIMBY'S in need of beat down. That is all.

Currently I'm taking care of my Mother who is having memory problems... she took care of thousands of others during her nursing career, and after she retired took care of my Father through almost 10 years of senile dementia. The least I can do is take care of her, now.

I'm sorry to hear that, but the first part of the post made me laugh. Don't lose your sense of humor.

pisceandreamer		2010-03-26 09:27:41 PM

meathome: fushigi:

It almost works better as a political panic button - after all, there are old people everywhere, and any one of them could potentially be an Alzheimer's sufferer. And you wouldn't even know.

The interesting thing is that most of them don't know it either.

/sorry, had to go there

Don't apologize - you're right. My grandmother has alzheimer's/dementia/brain-to-cement and she had no idea the extent of the problems she was having w/her memory until it was pointed out to her, and then flatly denied it all. (And still thinks she just has some occasional memory problems.)

SamFlagg		2010-03-26 09:29:16 PM

As one of those conservatives who has always wondered why property values are so damn important for anything but selling.......

I acknowledge my ignorance on this subject but wouldn't lower property values mean lower property taxes?

(never much cared for upscale communities)

Fuggin Bizzy		2010-03-26 09:50:26 PM

Darth Mewling: You know, there is a way to solve these problems. When life is over it's over. I know it's cold but one of these will end everyones suffering.

It's easy to be callous about someone else's loved ones.

sparkeyjames		2010-03-26 10:15:37 PM

Sad but true story. My mother has Alzheimer's and one day she managed to get out of the house. She proceeded to walk down the street and got confused. She then walked up to someones house who had just happened to go out for a walk and left their front door unlocked. My mother went in found a bedroom and laid down and went to sleep.
Half an hour later the police called to inform my father, who had called to report her missing, that they had found her and if he could please hurry in to pick her up as she had crapped her pants and smelled really bad. They would not even put her in a cruiser and drive her home because of the smell.

Gyrfalcon		2010-03-26 10:23:14 PM

Boobiesontheside: As a solution, I'm all for putting pedos in the facility and letting the old folks live in thier houses. Seems win-win.

Works for me.

Write up the ballot initiative and let's get it on the ticket for November.

fushigi		2010-03-26 10:37:11 PM

Darth Mewling:
You know, there is a way to solve these problems. When life is over it's over. I know it's cold but one of these will end everyones suffering.

One of them? For everyone? Are you claiming that it can fire 6.7 billion bullets without wearing out, or were you offering to remove yourself and thus make the other 6.7*10^9 - 1 of us happier?

And if it's the first one, where the hell did you get 6.7 billion bullets?

Gyrfalcon		2010-03-26 10:53:32 PM

fushigi: Darth Mewling:
You know, there is a way to solve these problems. When life is over it's over. I know it's cold but one of these will end everyones suffering.

One of them? For everyone? Are you claiming that it can fire 6.7 billion bullets without wearing out, or were you offering to remove yourself and thus make the other 6.7*10^9 - 1 of us happier?

And if it's the first one, where the hell did you get 6.7 billion bullets?

Well, if you were to break into the homes of everyone who's been buying and hoarding ammo since Obama was elected...

Braindeath		2010-03-27 12:22:46 AM

TommyJReed: When i lived in Jersey the put an "Alzheimer and dementia management facility" near my house. The problem wasn't the Alzheimer patients. It was the dementia patients who were by and large younger and much more violent. One day a patient with end stage HIV/AIDS and open Lesions wandered away from the facility and attacked one of my neighbors, who was elderly herself. she was lucky that she wasn't infected with HIV when he bit her a few times. point of the story is that it's not the Alzheimer patients, but the other people the state will attempt to shove in there that are the problem.

What this guy said. Plus, before my grandmother died she tended to escape from the home and go find crack heads to roam near. I'm not sure I'd want one of these places near my house. Granted I don't want a day care or school near me either.

fushigi		2010-03-27 12:31:33 AM

Gyrfalcon: fushigi: Darth Mewling:
You know, there is a way to solve these problems. When life is over it's over. I know it's cold but one of these will end everyones suffering.

One of them? For everyone? Are you claiming that it can fire 6.7 billion bullets without wearing out, or were you offering to remove yourself and thus make the other 6.7*10^9 - 1 of us happier?

And if it's the first one, where the hell did you get 6.7 billion bullets?

Well, if you were to break into the homes of everyone who's been buying and hoarding ammo since Obama was elected...

Sweet, I think you just successfully proved that genocide is non-commutative.

ThreeEdgedSword		2010-03-27 12:35:07 AM

Bohemian: ShadowkahnCRX: mikefinch: Wow - Having worked in a place like this i cant understand the objections. The people can hardly walk - much less cause a ruckus.

That's because you don't know Woodbury. It's a new-money town full of very wealthy 3M (the scotch tape company, for those not in MN) execs, personal injury lawyers, and other aspiring jillionaires who haven't quite made it to jillionaire status, but have managed to cultivate that priceless sense of entitlement. It's a cookie-cutter suburb full of half million dollar clone-houses, and full of people who believe that if you aren't young-to-middle-aged, and rich, you don't belong there.

Came here to say exactly this. The Stepford people in Woodbury would have a stroke about anything being built that isn't a strip mall or a Starbucks.

How about a wall topped razor-wire pointed in. They're harmful to the rest of us and I don't want them in my backyard.

BobtheFascist		2010-03-27 01:30:39 AM

I grew up next to Woodbury. It was just like any other St Paul suburb built in the mid 70's. At the time there was really only 1 "rich" subdivision there. That changed in the late 90's. The entire Eastern portion of the city is golf courses, executive homes & small nature preserves. I can only assume the proposed home is going in on that end of town. Because in the older section of town there is a rather large assisted living retirment home located right next door to the HS.

gadian		2010-03-27 07:40:21 AM

fark your property values, you don't get to decide where other people live. Secondly, you're farking stupid for depending on your property values to increase. Your home is not a retirement fund, but the place in which you retire.

sparkeyjames		2010-03-27 09:21:59 AM

gadian: fark your property values, you don't get to decide where other people live. Secondly, you're farking stupid for depending on your property values to increase. Your home is not a retirement fund, but the place in which you retire.

Your correct in that they cannot make that decision but sadly they do get to decide zoning regulations which tend to squeeze out the construction of a building of the type needed for an assisted living facility.

AgentKGB		2010-03-27 11:37:13 AM

Not this "but but think of my property values" horseshiat again...

My parents used to live in a condo and they were given some pretty nasty letters for the heinous crime of letting their grandkids (my nieces) draw hopscotch boxes on the sidewalks. "Think of our property values" waahmbulance bullshiat. :(

AgentKGB		2010-03-27 11:38:57 AM

*draw hopscotch boxes on the sidewalks with chalk.

(If only chalk washed away,,, oh if only...)

taxpayerclass		2010-03-30 01:20:22 AM

If you want to have a say in this, go ahead and buy a house in the neighborhood.

The Strib article is a good piece of spin. Those in the area are not that concerned about the Alzheimer patients but the younger more violent ones that fit within the description submitted to us.

What the Strib article also leaves out is that the location is a retail location with little privacy and is not zoned for residential use.

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