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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Old and busted: NIMBY response to sex offenders. New hotness: Alzheimer's patients? Not in my neighborhood   (startribune.com) divider line 91
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2010-03-26 05:41:19 PM
But what about Alzheimer's patients?
 
2010-03-26 05:56:14 PM
BANANA
 
2010-03-26 07:01:14 PM
PURPLE MONKEY DISHWASHER
 
2010-03-26 07:02:50 PM
I'd fight it too. It's not the tenants are going to remember anything about it.
 
2010-03-26 07:02:52 PM
What website is this? How did I get here?
 
2010-03-26 07:04:39 PM
DERP
 
2010-03-26 07:05:54 PM
Incidentally, Woodbury is in Michelle Bachmann's district. We moved away from there about two months after she took office. (We voted for the Democrat with the weird name.)
 
2010-03-26 07:07:35 PM
In the face of overwhelming opposition from residents in an upscale community called Stonemill Farms...

Don't tell me, let me guess: there isn't a stone mill or a farm anywhere near this place. Asshats. I wonder what their objection to the Alzheimer's home is, other than the usual vague "ZOMG!! Won't somebody think of the property values?!"

/No, I DNRT entire FA
 
2010-03-26 07:08:05 PM
As a solution, I'm all for putting pedos in the facility and letting the old folks live in thier houses. Seems win-win.
 
2010-03-26 07:08:23 PM
Oh... and this (new window) was really written about Woodbury.
 
2010-03-26 07:08:40 PM
Wow - Having worked in a place like this i cant understand the objections. The people can hardly walk - much less cause a ruckus.

Its like an apartment building that never has any problems. Except for old people dying. And sun downers beating up staff but that's rare and those kind of people don't get put into homes like this.
 
2010-03-26 07:08:48 PM
Remember Sammy Jenkins?
 
2010-03-26 07:11:09 PM
As someone who just lost his Grandfather to alzheimers this morning. Fark this people. Fark'em with rakes and gazebos.

/please resume the snark.
// I need laughs...
 
2010-03-26 07:11:21 PM
Fuggin Bizzy: Don't tell me, let me guess: there isn't a stone mill or a farm anywhere near this place. Asshats. I wonder what their objection to the Alzheimer's home is, other than the usual vague "ZOMG!! Won't somebody think of the property values?!"

Where I used to live (a suburb of a large metro city), pretty much every single subdivision with the word "farm" in it WAS, in fact, former farm land.
 
2010-03-26 07:11:52 PM
MacGabhain: Oh... and this (new window) was really written about Woodbury.

Bwahaha! Thanks, I needed that.
 
2010-03-26 07:13:23 PM
Can we put them all on a registry too? Because, you know, think of the children?

It almost works better as a political panic button - after all, there are old people everywhere, and any one of them could potentially be an Alzheimer's sufferer. And you wouldn't even know.
 
2010-03-26 07:13:38 PM
Incidentally... I am FULLY in cooperation with people who do not want a half-way house for violent/insane sex offenders, but this?

You know what, when NIMBYs go too far, I believe it is time to take away their BY.
 
2010-03-26 07:14:23 PM
fushigi: Can we put them all on a registry too? Because, you know, think of the children?

It almost works better as a political panic button - after all, there are old people everywhere, and any one of them could potentially be an Alzheimer's sufferer. And you wouldn't even know.


And neither would they!
 
2010-03-26 07:15:27 PM
In agreement, whatever.

Anyway, I've been in these homes. My grandfather was in one when he was on his downward spiral toward death. My grandmother used to live in what could possibly be called a "minimum security" home for old folks.
And in both of these places, unless there was some sort of negligence taking place, the Alzheimers/dementia patients were NOT going to "escape."
 
2010-03-26 07:15:47 PM
More seriously, I'm guessing that the property values angle is due to the size of the building. Upscale housing areas (and Stonemill Farms is one, despite advertising their properties on I94) don't want views of town homes or apartment buildings. If this is going to be a four-story building instead of the previously zoned one-level retail area, I can see the objection.

Woodbury also has a history of trying to significantly change zoning around residential areas, in once case from residential to light industrial.
 
2010-03-26 07:16:31 PM
I live 20 miles away from Woodbury. This does not surprise me.

Fuggin Bizzy: In the face of overwhelming opposition from residents in an upscale community called Stonemill Farms...

Don't tell me, let me guess: there isn't a stone mill or a farm anywhere near this place. Asshats. I wonder what their objection to the Alzheimer's home is, other than the usual vague "ZOMG!! Won't somebody think of the property values?!"

/No, I DNRT entire FA


Actually, there are farms nearby--not for long though.
 
2010-03-26 07:16:34 PM
Oh, and you know what? F*CK YOUR PROPERTY VALUES! F*CK THEM RIGHT IN THE ASS!!!
 
2010-03-26 07:17:04 PM
The majority of people are outright horrible. Sometimes I think we all deserve a Mad Max style anarchist state.
 
2010-03-26 07:17:04 PM
Woodbury is a stinking hell hole populated by the morally deceased.
 
2010-03-26 07:17:06 PM
You should have seen the NIMBY in my neighborhood when they wanted to put a Melwood house in. After two and half years of fighting it Melwood rightfully won out. I was for the plan and now I have a bunch of great neighbor's two doors down.

/can't wait for Ray to ring my doorbell at 3AM in July wanting to go sledding.
 
2010-03-26 07:17:27 PM
ThreeEdgedSword
As someone who just lost his Grandfather to alzheimers this morning. Fark this people. Fark'em with rakes and gazebos.

I'm sorry for that mang.

/rakes and gazebos FTW
 
2010-03-26 07:18:13 PM
When I retire, around age 75 at the rate I'm going, I'm going to buy five ren-fest costumes. I am going to wear them to every remotely tasteful event.

f'rnstance.

WalMart
Outdoor BBQ's
Grandchildrens birthday party
etc.

When I turn 85 *if I live that long* I will start standing on the front porch in only a robe which will be hanging open. I will wave my cane at invisible children and tell them to get off my lawn.
 
2010-03-26 07:18:24 PM
Of course these people don't want Alzheimer's patients in the area since they must be poor. These folks solve it the old fashioned way.

webling.at

/Hot like a Matlock episode
 
2010-03-26 07:18:47 PM
They deserve some Serling-inspired karmic justice, and I want the upgrade to First Class and access to the Club Room.
 
2010-03-26 07:19:11 PM
I don't mind them much in my neighborhood. But they should be forced to register their presence and people should be notified. We could call it Reagan's Law.
 
2010-03-26 07:22:55 PM
ptelg: When I retire, around age 75 at the rate I'm going, I'm going to buy five ren-fest costumes. I am going to wear them to every remotely tasteful event.

f'rnstance.

WalMart
Outdoor BBQ's
Grandchildrens birthday party
etc.

When I turn 85 *if I live that long* I will start standing on the front porch in only a robe which will be hanging open. I will wave my cane at invisible children and tell them to get off my lawn.


Lol, I want your newletter. :) I'm halfway there with you wearing kilts whenever I can.
 
2010-03-26 07:25:20 PM
Oh, I just remembered... Stonemill opened shortly after my brother moved into his new house in 2001, so most of the people living there paid WAY too much for their McMansions and are upside down.
 
2010-03-26 07:26:20 PM
What about the sex offenders who have Alzheimer's, and can't remember if they like kids?
 
2010-03-26 07:29:25 PM
LtDarkstar: DERP

Who is that?
 
2010-03-26 07:29:39 PM
ThreeEdgedSword: ptelg: When I retire, around age 75 at the rate I'm going, I'm going to buy five ren-fest costumes. I am going to wear them to every remotely tasteful event.

f'rnstance.

WalMart
Outdoor BBQ's
Grandchildrens birthday party
etc.

When I turn 85 *if I live that long* I will start standing on the front porch in only a robe which will be hanging open. I will wave my cane at invisible children and tell them to get off my lawn.

Lol, I want your newletter. :) I'm halfway there with you wearing kilts whenever I can.


And sandals... Don't forget the sandals!

(Hmmm, or maybe combine the refest, kilt, and floppy bathrobe into one: a toga!)
 
2010-03-26 07:30:58 PM
They may have Alzheimers but at least they don't have Alzheimers.
 
2010-03-26 07:31:56 PM
At least the Alzheimer's patients will be meeting new people.
 
2010-03-26 07:35:11 PM
Hmmm it's Bachman's district? So, any bets on how many of the complaining people call themselves Christians?
 
2010-03-26 07:35:24 PM
Here in ultra-liberal Rockville, Maryland, nothing brings out the screeching, mouth-foaming NIMBYs more than the prospect of building retirement homes or moderate-housing apartments. They make teabaggers at a Bachmann rally sound subdued. One woman testified to the Planning Commission that she was worried that the elderly residents might actually allow their felonious grandchildren to stay for dinner. "How do we know these old people don't have criminal relatives? Can we require that all of their potential visitors be screened and registered?"

/rich suburbanite homeowners are some of the most vicious people on the planet
 
2010-03-26 07:37:42 PM
MacGabhain: Incidentally, Woodbury is in Michelle Bachmann's district. We moved away from there about two months after she took office. (We voted for the Democrat with the weird name.)

Born and raised in Woodbury. Its a typical suburban city where people freak out about everything including pink flamingos, dogs off leash, atheists, etc... Its not really surprising that Bachmann that she gets re-elected.

/happily lives in minneapolis
 
2010-03-26 07:39:37 PM
An elderly married couple were being visited by some old friends. After lunch they decided to go for a walk.

The two men walked side by side, a few paces ahead of the two women, who were deeply engrossed in conversation about the effectiveness of anti-aging creams.

One of the old men said to his friend, "You know last night we went to one of the best restaurants I've ever visited, the food and service were fantastic. You should both go there some time, it is a very romantic place to take your wife to dinner."

The second old man replied "That sounds great, where is it? What is it called?"

The first old man thought for a moment and then admitted "You know, I've reached an age where my memory is not what it used to be. You'll have to help me here. What is the name of that red flower with a thorny stem, that men give to their loved ones on Valentines day?"

The second old man replied "I guess you must mean a rose."

The first old man nodded and said "Yes that's it, a rose."

He then turned his head and called to his wife, "Hey, Rose, what was the name of that restaurant we went to last night?"
 
2010-03-26 07:40:09 PM
Loucifer: I don't mind them much in my neighborhood. But they should be forced to register their presence and people should be notified. We could call it Reagan's Law.

*golf clap*
 
2010-03-26 07:40:11 PM
Green Lantern Honnu: The majority of people are outright horrible. Sometimes I think we all deserve a Mad Max style anarchist state.

Ah, but you see, Mad Maxian environments are where assholes thrive. My thinking is that God gave us civilization as a punishment to assholes. Think about it, they go about their lives, every day, waiting for that day they can wriggle out of the shackles of polite society, and show their true selves.

And every day... They can't. It's the most exquisite torment any diety could devise!
 
2010-03-26 07:40:25 PM
I wonder how many of these residents will be willing to take in their own elderly relatives when they can no longer live alone.
 
2010-03-26 07:40:46 PM
mikefinch: Wow - Having worked in a place like this i cant understand the objections. The people can hardly walk - much less cause a ruckus.



That's because you don't know Woodbury. It's a new-money town full of very wealthy 3M (the scotch tape company, for those not in MN) execs, personal injury lawyers, and other aspiring jillionaires who haven't quite made it to jillionaire status, but have managed to cultivate that priceless sense of entitlement. It's a cookie-cutter suburb full of half million dollar clone-houses, and full of people who believe that if you aren't young-to-middle-aged, and rich, you don't belong there.
 
2010-03-26 07:41:04 PM
When i lived in Jersey the put an "alzheimers and dementia management facility" near my house. The problem wasn't the alzheimers patients. It was the dementia patients who were by and large younger and much more violent. One day a patient with end stage HIV/AIDS and open Lessions wandered away from the facility and attacked one of my neighbors, who was elderly herself. she was lucky that she wasn't infected with HIV when he bit her a few times. point of the story is that it's not the alzheimers patients, but the other people the state will attempt to shove in there that are the problem.
 
2010-03-26 07:41:15 PM
Huggermugger: /rich suburbanite homeowners are some of the most vicious people on the planet

I like the tactic some used near San Diego in the '70s to stop a freeway. They flat out lied and made up their own maps of where it was going to go. Rather than through a canyon a mile from houses, they drew it going through the middle of town.

People around there still think it was going to wipe out most of Poway, when in reality it was going to run through land that wasn't developed until thirty years later.

But hey, why debate something on the facts when you can just as easily lie and scare people into line?
 
2010-03-26 07:43:44 PM
While I'm not defending the NIMBY-ism, I must say many of you don't fully understand Alzheimer's and dementia. Many sufferers of eith disease become inappropriately sexual in their behavior or violent. Would you really want your kid walking by and seeing someone's grandpa quietly fapping on the porch?
 
2010-03-26 07:46:32 PM
missmez: While I'm not defending the NIMBY-ism, I must say many of you don't fully understand Alzheimer's and dementia. Many sufferers of eith disease become inappropriately sexual in their behavior or violent. Would you really want your kid walking by and seeing someone's grandpa quietly fapping on the porch?

Why are you going to let your kids play unsupervised at the Alzheimer's facility?
 
2010-03-26 07:50:51 PM
ShadowkahnCRX: mikefinch: Wow - Having worked in a place like this i cant understand the objections. The people can hardly walk - much less cause a ruckus.



That's because you don't know Woodbury. It's a new-money town full of very wealthy 3M (the scotch tape company, for those not in MN) execs, personal injury lawyers, and other aspiring jillionaires who haven't quite made it to jillionaire status, but have managed to cultivate that priceless sense of entitlement. It's a cookie-cutter suburb full of half million dollar clone-houses, and full of people who believe that if you aren't young-to-middle-aged, and rich, you don't belong there.


Came here to say exactly this. The Stepford people in Woodbury would have a stroke about anything being built that isn't a strip mall or a Starbucks.
 
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