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2010-03-25 02:58:31 PM  
Jeez. What did they think was going to happen with Palpatine as the Emperor?

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2010-03-25 02:58:35 PM  
I'm not catholic, or necessarily a devout christian. But I can say there was this priest that went to my high school Spanish class. His name was..well, unimportant. He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He certainly was not molester.

I know, anecdotal and all of that. But still, I think the majority of priests are nice, caring people doing their work for a higher calling. To paint them all as homosexuals or kiddy diddlers is similarly anecdotal.
 
2010-03-25 03:00:16 PM  
Resign in disgrace? He'll he was just following church policy at the time. Ignore it and pray it goes away was SOP at the time.
 
2010-03-25 03:02:14 PM  
mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.

As long as you're still putting money in the collection plate you are enabling the sort of behavior you're claiming to have a problem with. Your church has made their position abundantly clear; they are pro child rape. If you don't want to be counted with them, now would be the time to get out.
 
2010-03-25 03:03:10 PM  
FishyFred: There was systematic abuse in the church and the solution is to make everyone take classes and training to avoid that abuse? The root problem is still there!

The root problem was that abuse wasn't reported, wasn't recognized, and wasn't believed. It was allowed to bubble in the system instead of going where it should have from the start: the police.

If you're talking about the molester priests still roaming free, well of course that needs to be addressed. How? By recognizing their abuse and reporting it now. However, almost all the cases you hear about in the news are from victims 10, 20, 30 years removed from the incident. We (the asses in the seats) have to deal with preventing the problem from repeating at the ground level. The larger church must deal with its systematic failures, which they are but still must pay for the sins of the past. Ratzinger has been very outspoken on the matter as pope, which is a significant change, but of course his skeletons are rattling.

optional: The Catholic really needs to get rid of that whole, Pope = infallible thing. It's a 19th century invention anyway.

Ex cathedra has been invoked an extreme few times... IIRC twice total. I know that enlightened Farkers know for certain that the Pope uses that type of decree for everything from choosing the background theme on Evite to what to have for dessert, but really it just isn't used.

That being said, I don't really buy it regardless.
 
2010-03-25 03:03:47 PM  
bobbiepaws: I'm not catholic, or necessarily a devout christian. But I can say there was this priest that went to my high school Spanish class. His name was..well, unimportant. He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He certainly was not molester.

I know, anecdotal and all of that. But still, I think the majority of priests are nice, caring people doing their work for a higher calling. To paint them all as homosexuals or kiddy diddlers is similarly anecdotal.


So, being a nice, caring person precludes being homosexual? This non-kiddy diddling homosexual thinks you're an idiot and now I have written proof.
 
2010-03-25 03:04:10 PM  
Ummmm... that has been SOP forever; do nothing about the filthy pedos that invest the Cathoholic church. Why is this news?
 
2010-03-25 03:04:18 PM  
Resign? Hardly. The Church will close ranks around the pedophiles and their enablers the way they've done for last 2000 years. Apparently, it is more important to avoid scandal than to stop priests from playing with little penises.
 
2010-03-25 03:04:34 PM  
bobbiepaws: I'm not catholic, or necessarily a devout christian. But I can say there was this priest that went to my high school Spanish class. His name was..well, unimportant. He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He certainly was not molester.

I know, anecdotal and all of that. But still, I think the majority of priests are nice, caring people doing their work for a higher calling. To paint them all as homosexuals or kiddy diddlers is similarly anecdotal.


We're not talking about the individuals, we're talking about the whole catholic organization systematically hiding the guilty priests, bribing the few victims that came forward, not going to the authorities when evidence of sexual crimes is found, and now (if you watch the news) there have been confirmed reports of priests and those in their employ spending millions of dollars on gay hookers while at the same time calling for the death of homosexuals in Uganda.


There is nothing good about the catholic organization.

There are lots of good people IN the catholic organization.
 
2010-03-25 03:05:52 PM  
bobbiepaws

He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He certainly was not molester.

I have read countless priest stories about the "nicest man you'd ever meet" who raped multiple boys in their spare time.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but to quote the bible:


"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
 
2010-03-25 03:07:23 PM  
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2010-03-25 03:08:10 PM  
ttyymmnn: Resign? Hardly. The Church will close ranks around the pedophiles and their enablers the way they've done for last 2000 years. Apparently, it is more important to avoid scandal than to stop priests from playing with little penises.

Which is a shame because the big penises are so much more interesting.
 
2010-03-25 03:09:13 PM  
Took no action?

Nonsense.

He probably looked on and jerked off while the priest raped those children.
 
2010-03-25 03:09:14 PM  
nrdgrl: letdown102: In 1996, then-Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland sent letters about Murphy to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

How about calling the farking cops you farking stupid fark. This jackass as much to blame as Murphy.

So very much THIS.

Hey there, priesty boy, when you realize you have a raging pedophile in your midst, instead of waiting for sanctioning from some psycho in ROME, how's about you just go ahead and contact local authorities FIRST and then send a courtesy memo to the Pope?

/ain't no rage like ex-Catholic rage


Problem lies with how they came by the information in the first place. If Pedopriest told one of his colleagues in confession, then they could not, by the tenets of the religion, notify the authorities. If however, Pedopriest happened to mention over Hungry Man dinners and Jeopardy "oh by the way I've raped a few hundred deaf boys", then yeah, that should have gone straight to the cops.

I also have to think any single victim making the accusation to the police would also turn it into a criminal matter.
 
2010-03-25 03:09:49 PM  
gshepnyc: ttyymmnn: Resign? Hardly. The Church will close ranks around the pedophiles and their enablers the way they've done for last 2000 years. Apparently, it is more important to avoid scandal than to stop priests from playing with little penises.

Which is a shame because the big penises are so much more interesting.


No they're not, and you make other homosexuals and bisexuals look bad by being so foppish about it.
 
2010-03-25 03:10:17 PM  
extroverted_suicide: If Pedopriest told one of his colleagues in confession, then they could not, by the tenets of the religion, notify the authorities.


Right. So their only option was to quickly move him to another parish and make sure he was around children again...
 
2010-03-25 03:12:07 PM  
bobbiepaws: I'm not catholic, or necessarily a devout christian. But I can say there was this priest that went to my high school Spanish class. His name was..well, unimportant. He was the nicest man you'd ever meet. He certainly was not molester.

I know, anecdotal and all of that. But still, I think the majority of priests are nice, caring people doing their work for a higher calling. To paint them all as homosexuals or kiddy diddlers is similarly anecdotal.


So there's an elementary school where most of the teachers are nice, straight laced guys but a few were molesting kids and the principal was covering it up, you'd still send your kid there and give the school money?
 
2010-03-25 03:12:24 PM  
Mock26: What?!?!?!?!

Someone in the catholic a church did nothing to stop child abuse?

Inconceivable!


FTFY

Child abuse is covered up as a matter of course in pretty much all religions.
 
2010-03-25 03:15:26 PM  
Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

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They get some media coverage as you own links prove. I think you meant, "Why doesn't it receive the same level of coverage as when it is a leader of the Catholic church?"

That answer is easy.
(1) The majority of non-Catholic leaders who take advantage of their under age charges are about cases in which the leader took advantage of one or a few minor victims.
(2) Cases that involve the Catholic church's leaders that get media coverage usually involve many victims.
(3) Similar cases that involve non-Catholics most often result in the church reporting the leader to the police and/or kicking him out of the church when they learn of the activities.
(4)The Catholic church takes little or no action, often times activity working to conceal the crimes.
(5) Despite knowledge, when the church does take action, it is mostly moving the leader to another church where he has access to a new set of underage victims to pray on, instead of moving monster to a position away from children.
(6) Despite being sued and drug through the media mud the Catholic church continues to conceal the problem, putting more children at risk, instead of purging the church of known offenders.

The Catholic church is NOT the victim here. The children are. Through their action and non-action the Catholic church and their leadership are accomplishes, and the higher up in the leadership should be prosecuted.
 
2010-03-25 03:15:33 PM  
LavenderWolf- gshepnyc: ttyymmnn: Resign? Hardly. The Church will close ranks around the pedophiles and their enablers the way they've done for last 2000 years. Apparently, it is more important to avoid scandal than to stop priests from playing with little penises.

Which is a shame because the big penises are so much more interesting.

No they're not, and you make other homosexuals and bisexuals look bad by being so foppish about it.


You sound asian...
 
2010-03-25 03:16:04 PM  
It's ok. After Pope Palpatine there's only one more and then it's the end of the world anyway.
 
2010-03-25 03:19:45 PM  
Devastating news.

For Catholics.

Just in time for Passover.

Lucky break.
 
2010-03-25 03:20:04 PM  
LavenderWolf: gshepnyc: ttyymmnn: Resign? Hardly. The Church will close ranks around the pedophiles and their enablers the way they've done for last 2000 years. Apparently, it is more important to avoid scandal than to stop priests from playing with little penises.

Which is a shame because the big penises are so much more interesting.

No they're not, and you make other homosexuals and bisexuals look bad by being so foppish about it.


Haha. You're kind of a sad little fellow, aren't you? Sorry nature was unkind to you. I'll try to be careful in the future with jokes that strike too close to home.
 
2010-03-25 03:20:56 PM  
seventypercent: EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Protestants have a lot of problems, particularly the fundamentalist types, but at least they don't have that whole forced celibacy thing going on.


Nor do they come from families where you must be overtly masculine or a priest. The fact that an inordinate number of priests have sexual proclivities leaning towards those who cannot speak-up makes total sense.

Their biology/psychological build-up determine their orientation; the demands of their religion/society shape the perversion of this orientation into predation.

As annoying as fundamentalists can be, they are in a better position to find consenting playmates.
 
2010-03-25 03:21:00 PM  
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2010-03-25 03:23:26 PM  
TheBigJerk: So has anyone waxed poetic on the fetishizing of the Virgin Mary being an expression of Catholic's Freudian Oedipus Complex?

Mary is a continuation of pagan mother/fertility goddesses, most directly Artemis of Ephesus.
 
2010-03-25 03:23:53 PM  
factoryconnection: The root problem was that abuse wasn't reported, wasn't recognized, and wasn't believed. It was allowed to bubble in the system instead of going where it should have from the start: the police.

The root problem of abuse is NOT that it wasn't reported. Say it with me: THE SYSTEM IS THE PROBLEM.

Even removing the celibacy requirement won't fix it. It's the unquestioning devotion and deference to these figures that allows them to do this and, in fact, makes the position so attractive to pedophiles in the first place.

The problem is that the fix is to tell people to think for themselves and question authority. Those two things are antithetical to religion.
 
2010-03-25 03:25:07 PM  
mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.


Me as well. Doesn't make sense.
 
2010-03-25 03:31:59 PM  
Joy25: mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.


Me as well. Doesn't make sense.


It's also so large an organization that it MUST have desk jobs in places away from regular parish duties (which often involve schools or at least altar boys). Couldn't they at LEAST have tucked the offenders away there? That way they avoid the publicity and then no kids have to be molested again by the same guy. I just don't understand why that wasn't done at the very least.
 
2010-03-25 03:32:38 PM  
Trivia Jockey: vernonFL: The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


Isn't that splitting of hairs kind of objectively ridiculous? How can a man be infallible at some things, but not others? I mean, if a guy can make a mistake, what magically prevents him from making a mistake when it comes to the Church? Stupid.


It's a rationalization that was invented during Vatican II. Originally the pope was thought of as completely infallible. It's also used to explain how the really messed up Popes (see the Borgias, Medicis, and all of the Popes during the Avignon papacy) were still valid church leaders. You are infallible only when discussing doctrine "i.e. from the chair of the cathedral," otherwise, the things you do can be overturned by latergenerations.
 
2010-03-25 03:34:15 PM  
extroverted_suicide: nrdgrl: letdown102: In 1996, then-Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland sent letters about Murphy to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

How about calling the farking cops you farking stupid fark. This jackass as much to blame as Murphy.

So very much THIS.

Hey there, priesty boy, when you realize you have a raging pedophile in your midst, instead of waiting for sanctioning from some psycho in ROME, how's about you just go ahead and contact local authorities FIRST and then send a courtesy memo to the Pope?

/ain't no rage like ex-Catholic rage

Problem lies with how they came by the information in the first place. If Pedopriest told one of his colleagues in confession, then they could not, by the tenets of the religion, notify the authorities. If however, Pedopriest happened to mention over Hungry Man dinners and Jeopardy "oh by the way I've raped a few hundred deaf boys", then yeah, that should have gone straight to the cops.

I also have to think any single victim making the accusation to the police would also turn it into a criminal matter.


Ah, right. I forgot about all that "confession" crap. (I was a bad Catholic to begin with.)
 
2010-03-25 03:35:05 PM  
gshepnyc: Joy25: mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.


Me as well. Doesn't make sense.

It's also so large an organization that it MUST have desk jobs in places away from regular parish duties (which often involve schools or at least altar boys). Couldn't they at LEAST have tucked the offenders away there? That way they avoid the publicity and then no kids have to be molested again by the same guy. I just don't understand why that wasn't done at the very least.


I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.
 
2010-03-25 03:36:43 PM  
Let he who has not banged a couple hundred handicapped kids cast the first stone.............
 
2010-03-25 03:37:29 PM  
greentea1985: Trivia Jockey: vernonFL: The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


Isn't that splitting of hairs kind of objectively ridiculous? How can a man be infallible at some things, but not others? I mean, if a guy can make a mistake, what magically prevents him from making a mistake when it comes to the Church? Stupid.

It's a rationalization that was invented during Vatican II. Originally the pope was thought of as completely infallible. It's also used to explain how the really messed up Popes (see the Borgias, Medicis, and all of the Popes during the Avignon papacy) were still valid church leaders. You are infallible only when discussing doctrine "i.e. from the chair of the cathedral," otherwise, the things you do can be overturned by latergenerations.


This, per se, I have no issue with. I'm not catholic, but if you have a billion or more people all believing a big heap of total bullplop you sort of need a referee, like the one kid who everyone looked to to set the boundaries of whatever make believe scenario they were playing at. Otherwise, how do you keep narrow focus in a world of oil-slick Marys and Jesus faces in tortillas?
 
2010-03-25 03:41:13 PM  
brantgoose: Malachy DID NOT prophesize it would be a Benedictine! Someone in the Benedictine Order said they think the next pope will come from the Benedictines. GET THAT STRAIGHT!

It's worth noting that there is only ONE more Pope to go in the list. But he may or may not be preceded by a few Popes, maybe a few hundred Popes, not mentioned by Saint M.


OK-- let's see if you're singing the same tune later this year when the new pope is elected and picks "Petrus Romanus" as his name.
 
2010-03-25 03:41:29 PM  
If that's true then he should resign.

That being said: They are going to replace him that is just as traditionalist and conservative as the current one so if you're actually upset about him supposedly having known about child abuse and want him to resign, good, but if you're just jumping on a bandwagon because you're one of the many whiners who were huffing and puffing about the fact that he's not a more "liberal" Pope then sit down and STFU.
 
2010-03-25 03:42:23 PM  
Joy25: gshepnyc: Joy25: mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.


Me as well. Doesn't make sense.

It's also so large an organization that it MUST have desk jobs in places away from regular parish duties (which often involve schools or at least altar boys). Couldn't they at LEAST have tucked the offenders away there? That way they avoid the publicity and then no kids have to be molested again by the same guy. I just don't understand why that wasn't done at the very least.

I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.


It's what the NY public schools always did with bad-egg teachers. They put them in admin jobs where they didn't have to deal with students. Now, these were not molestors, just bad teachers or even teacher who had hit a kid, etc. But the same result, you get them away from the kids. If the church had done this one simple thing they still would not have had to do any of the other things they didn't do but would have at least curtailed the problem.
 
2010-03-25 03:45:22 PM  
Joy25: mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.

Me as well. Doesn't make sense.


Queen Spider had decreed it so.
 
2010-03-25 03:45:44 PM  
randomjsa: If that's true then he should resign.

That being said: They are going to replace him that is just as traditionalist and conservative as the current one so if you're actually upset about him supposedly having known about child abuse and want him to resign, good, but if you're just jumping on a bandwagon because you're one of the many whiners who were huffing and puffing about the fact that he's not a more "liberal" Pope then sit down and STFU.


There is probably not a single one in the pool of likely popes who isn't as guilty of the same shuffling and cover-ups anyway. They are all of a piece, at that level.
 
2010-03-25 03:47:13 PM  
Joy25: I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.


Most Protestant congregations are independant business entities. If a minister is needed, a job posting is put up, candidates apply, are interviewed, and hired by the people of the congregation. A minister can likewise be fired by the congregation. They aren't shuffled off to some other church; they're shiatcanned and go home and dust of the resume.

So while of course it is possible for a minister to abuse children, there just isn't the system in place for the widespread coverup. There isn't the "Sssshhh... here, try this lovely parish out in the sticks that has never heard of you." because there isn't the central hierarchical leadership to do so.
 
2010-03-25 03:49:57 PM  
namegoeshere: Joy25: I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.

Most Protestant congregations are independant business entities. If a minister is needed, a job posting is put up, candidates apply, are interviewed, and hired by the people of the congregation. A minister can likewise be fired by the congregation. They aren't shuffled off to some other church; they're shiatcanned and go home and dust of the resume.

So while of course it is possible for a minister to abuse children, there just isn't the system in place for the widespread coverup. There isn't the "Sssshhh... here, try this lovely parish out in the sticks that has never heard of you." because there isn't the central hierarchical leadership to do so.


Really? I only have experience with the Methodists and Presbyterians and they do not fit that description at all. They have no pope, but they do have a heirarchy and bishops who assign pastors to specific churches. Are they outnumbered by the stand-alone and store front type churches?
 
2010-03-25 03:54:42 PM  
gshepnyc: namegoeshere: Joy25: I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.

Most Protestant congregations are independant business entities. If a minister is needed, a job posting is put up, candidates apply, are interviewed, and hired by the people of the congregation. A minister can likewise be fired by the congregation. They aren't shuffled off to some other church; they're shiatcanned and go home and dust of the resume.

So while of course it is possible for a minister to abuse children, there just isn't the system in place for the widespread coverup. There isn't the "Sssshhh... here, try this lovely parish out in the sticks that has never heard of you." because there isn't the central hierarchical leadership to do so.

Really? I only have experience with the Methodists and Presbyterians and they do not fit that description at all. They have no pope, but they do have a heirarchy and bishops who assign pastors to specific churches. Are they outnumbered by the stand-alone and store front type churches?


I was thinking Congregationalists/UCC/Unity etc. Mainstream and big here in the Northeast; not at all storefront.

But having never been Methodist/Presbyterian, I couldn't speak to them. I guess I'll withdraw the "most" from my last po... communication (take that, filter) and substitute "many".
 
2010-03-25 03:54:54 PM  
Digitalstrange: Resign in disgrace? He'll he was just following church policy at the time. Ignore it and pray it goes away was SOP at the time.



I see someone's posting from an iPhone.
 
2010-03-25 03:59:25 PM  
renon compos mentat: Joy25: mekki: As a Catholic, myself, I've never understood the reshuffling around of pedophiles who hide behind their vestments. Why doesn't the Church simply kick these men out? Once they are caught, strip them of their power, kick them out of the Church and hand them over to the cops. This allows the Church to distance themselves away from these men and doesn't taint the priesthood as much as it does now.

Me as well. Doesn't make sense.

Queen Spider had decreed it so.



Are you Queen Spider? I'm confused!
 
2010-03-25 04:01:23 PM  
SchlingFocker: Being a member of the Catholic Church IS a disgrace.

From every piece of shiat lackey sitting in the pews on up to the pope himself, they all walking failures.

Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.


it saddens me to put you on ignore schling as you were one of my fav farkers
 
2010-03-25 04:01:48 PM  
Hang him, then.

/Catholic who's sick of this crap.
 
2010-03-25 04:02:37 PM  
So now we are all suprised because a system that holds it's own laws above the "laws of man" and forgives, protects, even nurtures, pedophiles is corrupt all the way to the top dog?

get out
 
2010-03-25 04:03:26 PM  
Priests that rape are as homosexual as Prisoners that do. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation & everything to do with power & opportunity. Anyone who thinks it has anything to do with homosexual urges has no understanding of homosexuality. It's the same reason we are seeing all these teachers preying on children. Opportunity & sense of power. Rape is all about power. The male priests are never left alone with female children, therefore their only viable opportunity are same sex children. Put a male priest in charge of the choir girls & see how long it takes for one of them to rape a girl.
 
2010-03-25 04:03:44 PM  
namegoeshere: gshepnyc: namegoeshere: Joy25: I know of priests that just all of a sudden leave a parish. Unfortunately, we know he will probably just end up at another.

Really sucks.

Most Protestant congregations are independant business entities. If a minister is needed, a job posting is put up, candidates apply, are interviewed, and hired by the people of the congregation. A minister can likewise be fired by the congregation. They aren't shuffled off to some other church; they're shiatcanned and go home and dust of the resume.

So while of course it is possible for a minister to abuse children, there just isn't the system in place for the widespread coverup. There isn't the "Sssshhh... here, try this lovely parish out in the sticks that has never heard of you." because there isn't the central hierarchical leadership to do so.

Really? I only have experience with the Methodists and Presbyterians and they do not fit that description at all. They have no pope, but they do have a heirarchy and bishops who assign pastors to specific churches. Are they outnumbered by the stand-alone and store front type churches?

I was thinking Congregationalists/UCC/Unity etc. Mainstream and big here in the Northeast; not at all storefront.

But having never been Methodist/Presbyterian, I couldn't speak to them. I guess I'll withdraw the "most" from my last po... communication (take that, filter) and substitute "many".


From what I know of the difference between the Catholic church and Protestant ones like Methodists and Presbys the Catholics have more connection to the heirarchy, they have a lay obedience to the Pope and they care about the Vatican. The heirarchies of the United Methodists and the Presbys rarely interact with lay people. They manage the business affairs and personnel and run the seminaries. On very rare occasion a bishop might drop by a local church but most people wouldn't even know his name.
 
2010-03-25 04:03:54 PM  
Those wacky catholics!

Next time, pick France, not Italy, mmm?
 
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