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(Yahoo)   Pope benedict may become the first Pope since the middle ages to be forced to resign in disgrace as it is revealed he was warned about another priest who molested over 200 children, but took no action   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2010-03-25 01:33:33 PM  

Donald_McRonald: Milwaukee's Roman Catholic archbishop warned a top Vatican office led by the future Pope Benedict XVI about a priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys

Poor deaf kids didn't have a chance. They never hear you coming.


You joke, but it is a very sick truth that some successful pedos know how to pick 'em. Knew strongly suspected but had no proof, goddammitsomuch one (me = social worker at the time) who would only go after developmentally disabled, nonverbal kids. Because they couldn't tell.

/Wish I believed in Hell so I could picture a very special burny place all ready and waiting...

//Why no, I don't sleep all that well, now that you mention it.
 
2010-03-25 01:33:39 PM  

vernonFL: Before that office was called The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it was called

"Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition"

Didn't expect THAT, did you!


Nobody expects the Roman and Universal Inquisition!
 
2010-03-25 01:33:59 PM  

eddiesocket: Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

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It's not the crime(s), it's the cover-up. Other religions don't have nearly the amounts of higher-ups covering for these farkers and giving them new jobs. That's the difference.


How about one sanctioning several polygamous marriages to minors, enabling statutory rape?

FLDS is a pretty bad religion.
 
2010-03-25 01:34:17 PM  

Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

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And yet you cite actual media to support your position.

Ironic tag melts.
 
2010-03-25 01:34:18 PM  

docwizz: if only he had killed all the homosexuals when he was a nazi


You do realize that most pedos don't consider themselves gay, right?
 
2010-03-25 01:34:24 PM  

eddiesocket: Gaseous Anomaly: Slate had an Explainer column about this recently. Basically nobody can force him out, he'd have to resign on his own.

Nothing the pope does is against Vatican law, because he's the source of Vatican law. Similarly, one can't sue the Queen of England in England.

International convention dictates we don't go about arresting heads of state (though there are a few exceptions, like Manuel Noriega).

How nice. Why doesn't the Church make it official and legalize child molestation, then? Avoid all these nasty lawsuits.


One might say that's indeed what they've done.

I suppose if we cared enough, we could declare war on the Vatican, take them over, and install new leadership. (I wonder how that would interact with the Establishment Clause?)

/How many legions has the Pope?
 
2010-03-25 01:34:31 PM  

BaBaBoosh: Papal infallibility does not cover everything a pope does or says. It has to be invoked like saying " This statement is infallible" and is only used to cover statements regarding dogma and faith.

I know since I went to Catholic School and am now a part of my neighborhood church.




Who cares what it supposedly covers?
If you cover up the farking of little boys you are a worthless piece of shiat.fark that clown hat wearing cocksucker.
 
2010-03-25 01:34:33 PM  
I love how they can just arbitrarely decide infallibility.


Look at papal history, a group of cardinals actuall decided that when the pope was sitting in his pope-chair, he was infallible.

A group of men decided when and where another person was infallible.

Bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaat!
 
2010-03-25 01:34:39 PM  

vernonFL: Its not enough the the Pope was a Nazi. He was a child molester enabler too.

Nice. Good pick, Cardinals!


It's whispered in Vatican circles that the unprecedented expansion of the College of Cardinals at the Very end of JP II's reign was actually "Ratso" (as he's known by those who've worked with him for years) taking advantage of a sickly Pope (he was his right hand man after all) and "packing" the College with his supporters
 
2010-03-25 01:35:00 PM  
Well, this is just more validation that leaving the Church was a good farking idea on my part. If it wasn't their archaic and antiquated stances on women, gays, abortion and birth control....it's now their apparent "turn a blind eye" stance on priests who rape children.


To Catholics, the Pope is God's representative on earth. So God.....this is the best you can give people? fark you.
 
2010-03-25 01:35:01 PM  

Jamdug!: FishyFred: Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

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Because the other religions don't have an extremely public centralized authority that actively participated in a cover-up.

Who said anything about a cover up? My point is that it's happening across the board but only some are outed by the media.


The people who responded to you mentioned the cover-ups. That's who. Your point is flawed and inaccurate.
 
2010-03-25 01:35:03 PM  
The Pope isn't going to resign. He's farking 90 years old.
 
2010-03-25 01:35:10 PM  
I guess the best part about raping deaf children is the boys cries won't wake up the other kids...amiright Catholics?! Can I get an Amen? How about a Hallelujah? A witness? Oh wait, the Pope pays them off! Somebody stop me!

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2010-03-25 01:35:19 PM  

vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


'All right, put all the Catholic churches money on 17 black.' [casino sound] '32 red, I'm sorry.' 'No, I don't think you heard, he said 17 black! Thank you! Let's go to Bellagio!'

/I heart David Cross
 
2010-03-25 01:35:38 PM  

DON.MAC: From about 200 AD there is a theory that Paul's church and the Vatican have been the anti-christ.
I'm still looking for evidence to disprove that one.


Considering Paul usurped the whole operation from Jesus' brother, you might be on to something.
 
2010-03-25 01:35:46 PM  
I really don't like this new guy, can we bring the old one back?
 
2010-03-25 01:35:52 PM  
Yeah there's video of a reporter asking the Pope about this before he even became Pope. The "Pre-Pope" clawed at the guy like a demon. You can probably find the video on YouTube.
 
2010-03-25 01:36:14 PM  
Abbey
you do understand being facetious don't you?
 
2010-03-25 01:37:06 PM  

midigod: Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

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And yet you cite actual media to support your position.

Ironic tag melts.


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2010-03-25 01:37:10 PM  

namegoeshere: would only go after developmentally disabled, nonverbal kids. Because they couldn't tell.


As a parent of a nonverbal autistic daughter, I'm getting a sudden need for some strong drinks from this reply.

/Betcha Mrs. Anomaly won't sleep well either now
 
2010-03-25 01:37:15 PM  

Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?


Technically, the Pope is only "infallible" when speaking Ex Cathedra.

For me, it makes me think he's just another power grabbing, embarrassment-avoiding jackass. And that is worse for a "moral leader" of ANY type, fallible or otherwise.

It is clear that at all level of the church hierarchy there is a depraved indifference to the suffering of their "flock" when doing anything to stop it would in any way cost them anything.

It has been clear for some time that the problem is systemic and goes all the way to the top. This is just the evidence emerging. There is no reason to believe that the evidence discovered is anything more than the tip of an iceberg.
 
2010-03-25 01:37:21 PM  

SchlingFocker: Being a member of the Catholic Church IS a disgrace.

From every piece of shiat lackey sitting in the pews on up to the pope himself, they all walking failures.

Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.


Settle down, Beavis. Believe it or not the church at the ground level has taken significant, formal steps to combat this problem from this point (well a few years ago, really) going forward. Every child, every teenager, every volunteer, every employee, and every parent in the church must now go through sex abuse awareness/intervention/prevention training plus a background check for adults that work with children. This model will be copied by other denominations that care about the problem.

It enrages me and the others I've talked to each time a new report arises. If senior leaders in the church need to go down for being complicit in the sins of the past, be it through actual molestation or, far worse in terms of trust violation IMHO, hiding it, then so be it. They're the ones driving people away from God and breaking people's lives.

If Ratzinger has to resign in disgrace, so be it. If he turned a blind eye then he's lucky to get off with just losing his seat. It would be a powerful symbol to see a man going from getting his ring kissed to getting spit upon by strangers.

I would not hesitate to turn in any member of the clergy to the police if abuse accusations arose. I doubt there are many left that would.

Do recall that society in general ignored this problem and actually still does in many ways. It may be that the Catholic Church takes the deserved lumps and paves the way to change that for good.

Every piece of sh*t that isn't doing something active about it in the general population is a walking failure by your logic.
 
2010-03-25 01:37:39 PM  
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Seriously though, how is anyone still Catholic?
 
2010-03-25 01:38:04 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: eddiesocket: Gaseous Anomaly: Slate had an Explainer column about this recently. Basically nobody can force him out, he'd have to resign on his own.

Nothing the pope does is against Vatican law, because he's the source of Vatican law. Similarly, one can't sue the Queen of England in England.

International convention dictates we don't go about arresting heads of state (though there are a few exceptions, like Manuel Noriega).

How nice. Why doesn't the Church make it official and legalize child molestation, then? Avoid all these nasty lawsuits.

One might say that's indeed what they've done.

I suppose if we cared enough, we could declare war on the Vatican, take them over, and install new leadership. (I wonder how that would interact with the Establishment Clause?)

/How many legions has the Pope?


Or we could enforce our own country's laws, which are firmly anti-child rape.
 
2010-03-25 01:38:13 PM  
Tatsuma 2010-03-25 11:58:57 AM
swingerhead: Where did the celabacy come from?

answer here


Possibly, but probably not.
The Gregorian Reforms were a response to the "Pornocracy" problems that had affected the church in the 10th century. There is also the belief that the Church did it to re-centralize authority and prevent dioceses from passing from father to son.

If you are right, however, the wiki folks should at least mention them on the "Clerical Celibacy" pages.
 
2010-03-25 01:38:31 PM  
This was news when he was found to be one of the cardinals orchestrating the cover-up.
 
2010-03-25 01:38:46 PM  

DamnYankees: Evidently it's impossible to impeach the Pope. Who knew?


I guess now we know why he built a bullet-proof popemobile. He knew this was cumming.
 
2010-03-25 01:39:52 PM  
I farking CANNOT STAND the farking double standard that is happening here!

What the HOLY FARKING HELL - if ANY other group abused children and covered it up in such a way, law enforcement, and society as a whole would farking tar, feather, hang, get all burny n' stuff...

But because it's the Church...

AAaahhhh!!! My head gets all asplodey.
 
2010-03-25 01:39:58 PM  
I wouldn't condemn an entire religion because of a few sick farks and the idiots that let them get away with it.

I went through 8 years of Catholic grade school and 4 years of Catholic high school. Grade school was run by a bunch of senile "old order" nuns and was pretty crappy, but I met some pretty cool brothers, nuns and priests in high school.

/the bro's had a kegerator in their monastery
 
2010-03-25 01:40:22 PM  

Mugato: Seriously though, how is anyone still Catholic?


Seriously we don't care what you think
 
2010-03-25 01:40:46 PM  

SchlingFocker: Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.


Nah, if you really want to freak out the Church, use IUDs.
 
2010-03-25 01:41:04 PM  

EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.


That totally ignores that the whole system is set up to encourage child molesters to become priests. Start off with the whole celibacy rule, which means that anyone who has a sexuality they can openly express is very much discouraged from becoming a priest. At the same time it gives a pedophile cover: No one is going to question why he doesn't want to date. Secondly, it puts the pedophile in a place where he is allowed to mingle without question with his preferred victim. Thirdly, it gives pedophiles the illusion that they are doing good by surrounding themselves with temptation. Last, it's so embarrassing to the Church that they covered it over rather than owning up to it, allowing the priest to get away with it scott free.

Protestants pastors are not only allowed to marry, but are encouraged to, this doesn't get rid of the pedophiles, but it also doesn't screen out normal heterosexuals either. Because there are more pastor candidates, there's no incentive to retain the unsuitable ones. And most protestant denominations don't have endless amounts of hush money to pay off their victims.

So no, I don't think it's the same among Protestants. The problem isn't the religion, it's the Church.
 
2010-03-25 01:41:11 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: I wouldn't condemn an entire religion because of a few sick farks and the idiots that let them get away with it.


Yeah, I think we're way past "a few". That argument might have worked ten years ago.
 
Jha
2010-03-25 01:41:12 PM  
Is the ACLU rushing to the Pope's defense? They specialize in defending kiddy touchers.
 
2010-03-25 01:41:42 PM  

vernonFL: Fun Fact: Before he was Pope, Benedict was the head of the "Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith".

Before that office was called The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it was called

"Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition"

Didn't expect THAT, did you!


Fact: Before he was pope he was a member of the Hitler youth

/true story
 
2010-03-25 01:41:59 PM  
Poor deaf kids. Bet they screamed their hands off
 
2010-03-25 01:42:03 PM  

UtileDysfunktion:
/the bro's had a kegerator in their monastery


Monk's brew beer.

Google Trappist Beer.
 
2010-03-25 01:42:13 PM  
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2010-03-25 01:42:15 PM  
Oh, and yes, the Church does tend to attract people that really should be seeking professional mental help, but they really are a very small minority.
 
2010-03-25 01:42:51 PM  

factoryconnection: Every child, every teenager, every volunteer, every employee, and every parent in the church must now go through sex abuse awareness/intervention/prevention training plus a background check for adults that work with children.


There was systematic abuse in the church and the solution is to make everyone take classes and training to avoid that abuse? The root problem is still there!
 
2010-03-25 01:43:00 PM  

lukelightning: SchlingFocker: Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.

Nah, if you really want to freak out the Church, use IUDs.


I think I love you...
 
2010-03-25 01:43:03 PM  
But but but it's just the Jewish media in the west that is blowing the church sex abuse issue out of proportion! It doesn't happen anywhere else!

/snark
 
2010-03-25 01:43:08 PM  

vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


So is child rape not against the rules of the church?
 
2010-03-25 01:43:10 PM  

EvilEgg: I wonder about that. Now I understand there is a basic human drive for sex, now would forced celibacy pervert that into pedophilia? I kind of doubt it.


Say you've got a bit of a problem -- you want to f*ck kids. Now, recognizing that this is no good, you look around for options. Well, priests somehow get through their lives without acting on their sexual urges, right? They must have some kind of secret for doing so. So you go through seminary, take your vows, and surprise! Turns out they don't have any such secret. Now you're just a pedophile in a robe with a bunch of altar boys parading in front of you all damn day.
 
2010-03-25 01:43:49 PM  
FTFA: He noted "the Code of Canon Law does not envision automatic penalties" and that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith suggested the Milwaukee archbishop consider such things as restricting Murphy's public ministry and requiring that he "accept full responsibility for the gravity of his acts."

Full responsibility, eh? Wouldn't that include -- follow me here -- CRIMINAL PROSECUTION?

/baby farkers should DIAF
 
2010-03-25 01:44:06 PM  
Maybe Drew can be pope.
 
2010-03-25 01:44:06 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad:

Fact: Before he was pope he was a member of the Hitler youth

/true story


As was every boy his age in Germany at the time
 
2010-03-25 01:44:12 PM  
It's only my opinion, but here's what I would like to see; Benedict abdicates in disgrace, which becomes the cause for a powerful reform movement within the church. Ideally, I'd love to see whichever Pope follows Benedict go ahead and winnow through the ranks of the clergy, and any priest found guilty of molesting children should be immediately defrocked and excommunicated, then they should be prosecuted in their home countries under whatever system is present. The fallout would be immense, but if the Church survived, it could begin to rebuild itself into an institution that wouldn't make Baby Jesus cry.
 
2010-03-25 01:44:46 PM  
lukelightning

SchlingFocker: Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.

Nah, if you really want to freak out the Church, use IUDs.



*Golf clap*
 
2010-03-25 01:45:00 PM  

Hang On Voltaire: Mugato: Seriously though, how is anyone still Catholic?

Seriously we don't care what you think


Apparently not. So feel free, give money every week to child molesters. I'm sure you'll get into heaven knowing you've done that. Meeting the kids there might be a bit awkward though.
 
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