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(Yahoo)   Pope benedict may become the first Pope since the middle ages to be forced to resign in disgrace as it is revealed he was warned about another priest who molested over 200 children, but took no action   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 388
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2010-03-25 01:16:25 PM  
vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


Yeah, like there's a difference to people that believe God only talks to the wrinkled up European guy that turns a blind eye to kiddy-diddling.
 
2010-03-25 01:18:21 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: Milwaukee's Roman Catholic archbishop warned a top Vatican office led by the future Pope Benedict XVI about a priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys

WHATSECKS?




I hate you.


/+1 internets
 
2010-03-25 01:18:52 PM  
You know, this wouldn't be a problem if kids weren't so damned sexy...

/just sayin'...
 
2010-03-25 01:19:45 PM  
This could get interesting. Resign, though? No-this is an institution that has lasted 2000+ years. But it will weaken it.

He'll issue an apology and that'll be the end of it. Hasn't he done that already?

/lapsed catholic
 
2010-03-25 01:20:51 PM  
SchlingFocker: Being a member of the Catholic Church IS a disgrace.

From every piece of shiat lackey sitting in the pews on up to the pope himself, they all walking failures.

Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.


Catholics have managed to fight using IEDs *without* blowing themselves up for about 100 years now. The Muslims are still working that part out.
 
2010-03-25 01:21:07 PM  
Nabb1: In any case, the celibacy requirement is totally antiquated and probably keeps a lot of good, decent, intelligent Catholics out of the priesthood.

As does the "having a penis" requirement.
 
2010-03-25 01:21:51 PM  
vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


This is in dealing with the Catholic Church, is it not?
 
2010-03-25 01:22:17 PM  
vernonFL: Its not enough the the Pope was a Nazi. He was a child molester enabler too.


He also goes to Africa to tell people not to use condoms.

He is human filth. Catholicism is a cancer.
 
2010-03-25 01:22:40 PM  
vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


I would think that priests farking little boys in the ass would be a "church matter" but what do I know....
 
2010-03-25 01:22:45 PM  
EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Protestants can get married, and they don't have unfettered access to children, which is a pedophile's dream.
 
2010-03-25 01:22:46 PM  
seventypercent: EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Protestants have a lot of problems, particularly the fundamentalist types, but at least they don't have that whole forced celibacy thing going on.

THIS.

Link (new window)
 
2010-03-25 01:23:10 PM  
Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

and then some!
 
2010-03-25 01:23:28 PM  
vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


Theoretically, the Pope can commit every form of sin and one could STILL say "So what? When it comes matters dealing with the rules of the catholic church, he's infallible."

It's a permissionable logic and it allows dangerous precedence.

/ Yes, I know permissionable is not a word - it should be a word!
 
2010-03-25 01:23:41 PM  
D'oh.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/local-lutheran-minister-loves-to-fark-his-wife , 854/
 
2010-03-25 01:23:42 PM  
FishyFred: Trivia Jockey: Isn't that splitting of hairs kind of objectively ridiculous? How can a man be infallible at some things, but not others? I mean, if a guy can make a mistake, what magically prevents him from making a mistake when it comes to the Church? Stupid.

Because the Pope gets to make up the rules. Therefore, when he makes up a rule, he's right. QED.


But if they prove him wrong, then all of creation is undone, and Ben Affleck and Matt Damon get into heaven, right?

/Alanis as God = the voice that kills
 
2010-03-25 01:23:52 PM  
DomColosi: Trivia Jockey: vernonFL: The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


Isn't that splitting of hairs kind of objectively ridiculous? How can a man be infallible at some things, but not others? I mean, if a guy can make a mistake, what magically prevents him from making a mistake when it comes to the Church? Stupid.

He's infallible in the stuff God tells him. Because God told him. I don't know your beliefs, but if you believe the Pope talks to God, it makes sense that what God tells him is infallible. It also makes sense that, you know, maybe God doesn't have him under control or anything and he also has normal, regular old "people-thoughts".


None of that makes sense, actually. Which is why religion is crazy.
 
2010-03-25 01:24:02 PM  
Slate had an Explainer column about this recently. Basically nobody can force him out, he'd have to resign on his own.

Nothing the pope does is against Vatican law, because he's the source of Vatican law. Similarly, one can't sue the Queen of England in England.

International convention dictates we don't go about arresting heads of state (though there are a few exceptions, like Manuel Noriega).
 
2010-03-25 01:24:32 PM  
How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

list goes on and on...
 
2010-03-25 01:25:01 PM  
jaytkay: Nice shoes, girlfriend!

Those are pimp shoes.
 
2010-03-25 01:25:14 PM  
simpsonfan: They need to crucify some of them. Hell, all of the ones who did it or covered it up should be crucified.

You mean be like Jesus?

/ I think some would read this the wrong way.
 
2010-03-25 01:25:34 PM  
mynameismark: vernonFL: Its not enough the the Pope was a Nazi. He was a child molester enabler too.


He also goes to Africa to tell people not to use condoms.

He is human filth. Catholicism is a cancer.


THIS
 
2010-03-25 01:25:35 PM  
vernonFL: Trivia Jockey: That would be hilarious. I think it would put a dent in that whole "infallible" theory, huh?

The Pope is infallible in matters dealing with the rules of the Catholic Church. He is NOT infallible in every single thing he does.


So, stopping your church from systematically enabling and condoning the abuse of children doesn't count as a "matter dealing with the rules of the catholic church" ?

/He "pardoned" the children who were abused FFS, which arguably proves that he believed that this was a sin committed by the kids and not by the church
 
2010-03-25 01:25:36 PM  
Gaseous Anomaly: Slate had an Explainer column about this recently. Basically nobody can force him out, he'd have to resign on his own.

Nothing the pope does is against Vatican law, because he's the source of Vatican law. Similarly, one can't sue the Queen of England in England.

International convention dictates we don't go about arresting heads of state (though there are a few exceptions, like Manuel Noriega).


How nice. Why doesn't the Church make it official and legalize child molestation, then? Avoid all these nasty lawsuits.
 
2010-03-25 01:25:55 PM  
Despite what the Chinese may think, Google is a god.

It just saved me hours of digging around in my books to find the Prophecies of Saint Malachy. And I'm miles from my books. You can't say that isn't supernatural power.

Here it is, with commentary from some dumbass or other:

9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments it also serves as an emblem for the Jews. Putting the two together, some commentators believe that the reign of this pope will be a peaceful one during which the prophesied conversion of the Jews will take place. Several ex-Jews are said to be highly placed in the Catholic Church now. And, it is noteworthy that the previous Benedict (XV) was a pope obsessed with peace. Some others say, he will lead all faithful followers of the Lord Jesus to martyrdom and others say that he will tear down the walls of the Vatican, auctioning off all the objects within, in order to feed and enlighten those in the 3rd World who have not yet heard the Gospel of Christ.

Bible Probe Comment: The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.

LOOK at the above again. The next pope will have something to do with OLIVE --not necessarily or even probably a Benedictine.

Malachy DID NOT prophesize it would be a Benedictine! Someone in the Benedictine Order said they think the next pope will come from the Benedictines. GET THAT STRAIGHT!

Also, St Benedict prophesized: before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. NOTHING was mentioned as leading as a pope!


http://bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm

It's worth noting that there is only ONE more Pope to go in the list. But he may or may not be preceded by a few Popes, maybe a few hundred Popes, not mentioned by Saint M.

OK. There's two ways out right there. The Pope can crawl on his knees to the Holy Sepulchre during his planned trip to Jerusalem, and ask forgiveness. Or he can auction off some of the paintings--maybe a Michelangelo or a Da Vinci or two and give the proceeds to the poor.

Let's see: at $250,000,000 each, four absolutely priceless works of art would come to ONE BILLION dollars. That buys a heap of distractions.

Why not do both?

There's nothing like a self-fulfillinig prophecy.
 
2010-03-25 01:26:30 PM  
Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

list goes on and on...


Because the other religions don't have an extremely public centralized authority that actively participated in a cover-up.
 
2010-03-25 01:26:45 PM  
As a rank and file Catholic, yeah, this is horrific, disgusting, and beyond defensible. (NOT mind you that everything up to now some how was defensible).

The church is in the hands of some very bad men, it is time for a cleansing, and a major reform. Including, arrests, prosecution, a removal of the celibacy clause, an elevation of women to the priesthood, among other items. This is after all the church that Jesus himself established, it's time to return to the basic roots of Christianity (service, sacrifice, equality, peace), quickly.
 
2010-03-25 01:26:46 PM  
letdown102: In 1996, then-Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland sent letters about Murphy to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

How about calling the farking cops you farking stupid fark. This jackass as much to blame as Murphy.


So very much THIS.

Hey there, priesty boy, when you realize you have a raging pedophile in your midst, instead of waiting for sanctioning from some psycho in ROME, how's about you just go ahead and contact local authorities FIRST and then send a courtesy memo to the Pope?

/ain't no rage like ex-Catholic rage
 
2010-03-25 01:27:02 PM  
Pope benedict may become the first Pope since the middle ages to make up a excuse be forced to resign in disgrace as it is revealed he was warned about another priest who molested over 200 children, but took no action.
 
2010-03-25 01:27:13 PM  
Awesome, Weakland led my confirmation ceremony. He may have been a gay, but at least it was adult males.
 
2010-03-25 01:27:20 PM  
God is infallible...

...but God chose Pope Benedict.
This means God is fallible and we are about to experience the end of existence, everything!

www.dogma-movie.com
 
2010-03-25 01:27:38 PM  
40yoVirgin: Makes one think how much JP2 knew about all of this, seeing how Ratzinger was his right hand man...

Of course he knew. He has this saintly reputation because we all love a dottering old man but he was the same sort of medieval, close-minded theocrat. He was every bit the same kind of homophobe and they all try to pretend this because of the gays and nothing else.

The most fantastic miracle that can attribute to John Paul is that he made everyone believe he wasn't evil.
 
2010-03-25 01:27:46 PM  
SchlingFocker: Being a member of the Catholic Church IS a disgrace.

From every piece of shiat lackey sitting in the pews on up to the pope himself, they all walking failures.

Here's to hoping the Muslims start planting IEDs outside your churches.


It's been done. You might want to Google "Northern Ireland".
 
2010-03-25 01:28:46 PM  
if only he had killed all the homosexuals when he was a nazi
 
2010-03-25 01:28:57 PM  
swingerhead: Wasnt the first "pope" Peter married and had children? Where did the celabacy come from?

The Middle Ages were they didn't want the Pope to become a hereditary position like a King. Which was a good thing because during that time the Church was the closest you got to a meritocratic institution and thanks to this a clever boy from a poor background could rise up to a position of importance.
 
2010-03-25 01:29:11 PM  
Bill Maher made a good point on his show last Friday.

Had the head of any other organization turned the blind-eye to hundreds of children being molested, he would have been arrested by now, or at least, forced out of his job.

If the Pope could survive being a member of the Nazi youth, he'll survive this.
 
2010-03-25 01:30:01 PM  
mynameismark: vernonFL: Its not enough the the Pope was a Nazi. He was a child molester enabler too.


He also goes to Africa to tell people not to use condoms.

He is human filth. Catholicism is a cancer.


So very much this.
They treat women poorly and preach the 'birth control is sin' to cultures that can't afford children. I will enjoy seeing them fall.

/they piss me off
 
2010-03-25 01:30:07 PM  
EvilEgg: seventypercent: EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Protestants have a lot of problems, particularly the fundamentalist types, but at least they don't have that whole forced celibacy thing going on.

I wonder about that. Now I understand there is a basic human drive for sex, now would forced celibacy pervert that into pedophilia? I kind of doubt it.

Is it more prevalent in priests than the population at large or do we just hear about it more?


The theory that makes the most sense to me (and I base this partly on someone I know whose clincally treated some of these guys) is who exactly do you think is attracted to become a priest and wants to live a life where sex is forbidden? (especially at ages say 18-25 when your testosterone is at its peak)

Well by and large it is people who are horrified at their won sexuality. Once upon a when this used to be largely gay men who were convinced theat their unnatural desires would cause them to burn in hell. This is why the priesthood up until about the 1960's (and to a lesser extent today) had so many closeted gay men. To them it was a win-win. Being celibate meant they never had to confront thier "deviant" desires and they get bonus repectability points for being a priest.

Once the "Gay liberation" of the late 60's early 70's happened and being openly gay was no longer a crime and became more socially acceptable, this particualr stream of recruits into the preisthood largely dried up (and indeed Seminary classes in America are often 1/10th to even 1/100th thier former size, a serious problem for the church going forward.)

This created two problems:
1) There were so few applicants for the preisthood that the rigorous psychological testing they used to do on candidates was allowed to slip, more than a little (see: Army recruiting standards during the Iraq war)

2) the "horrified by their sexuality" crowd went from otherwise normal gay men, to seriously disturbed folks like pedophiles. Unfortunately too many folks in Charge of seminaries, facing a critical shortage of recruits told themselves that since these guys were going to swear a vow of celibacy, they didn't need to look too deeply into such issues.

So a whole generation of time bombs was released into the church and we're still only now seeing the extent of damage from that.
 
2010-03-25 01:30:08 PM  
Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

list goes on and on...


It's not the crime(s), it's the cover-up. Other religions don't have nearly the amounts of higher-ups covering for these farkers and giving them new jobs. That's the difference.
 
2010-03-25 01:30:18 PM  
FishyFred: Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

list goes on and on...

Because the other religions don't have an extremely public centralized authority that actively participated in a cover-up.


Who said anything about a cover up? My point is that it's happening across the board but only some are outed by the media.
 
2010-03-25 01:30:25 PM  
Jamdug!: How does this happen in other religions and it gets no media coverage at all?

Did an huge international organization actively aide, abet, and cover up the abuses?

/It makes any story bigger news
 
2010-03-25 01:30:25 PM  
EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Nunsense, my family recognizes the Avignon anti-popes. I don't give a toss about this schismatic thug and his imposter "church".
 
2010-03-25 01:31:15 PM  
Papal infallibility does not cover everything a pope does or says. It has to be invoked like saying " This statement is infallible" and is only used to cover statements regarding dogma and faith.

I know since I went to Catholic School and am now a part of my neighborhood church.

Funny thing is I don't believe all the religious aspects of the Catholic Church, but definitely believe in the whole mindset of a close tight-knit community and doing good deeds. I like the fact that Catholics stress the idea of earning your way rather than only just praying about it(which they do too I guess) which I think is a waste of time.
 
2010-03-25 01:31:50 PM  
letdown102: In 1996, then-Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland sent letters about Murphy to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

How about calling the farking cops you farking stupid fark. This jackass as much to blame as Murphy.


By the time Murphy discovered what was going on the Statute of Limitations had long expired. One of the reasons the SOLs are being vastly extended for these crimes
 
2010-03-25 01:31:56 PM  
seventypercent: EvilEgg: See this is where the Catholics have a problem. Central authority. Protestants probably rape little boys just as much, but they are individual cells like Al Quida, so you can't just go after the leadership.

Protestants have a lot of problems, particularly the fundamentalist types, but at least they don't have that whole forced celibacy thing going on.


Depends on if you count all the self hating gay men doing it on the 'down low'.
 
2010-03-25 01:32:22 PM  
Fun Fact: Before he was Pope, Benedict was the head of the "Congregation of the Doctrine of Faith".

Before that office was called The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, it was called

"Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition"

Didn't expect THAT, did you!
 
2010-03-25 01:32:37 PM  
FishyFred: Because the other religions don't have an extremely public centralized authority that actively participated in a cover-up.

This.


Anyone who knew about this and covered it up should be defrocked by the church and charged by whatever coutnries have jurisdiction.
 
2010-03-25 01:32:40 PM  
Pump_ThePurpleWarrior: As a rank and file Catholic, yeah, this is horrific, disgusting, and beyond defensible. (NOT mind you that everything up to now some how was defensible).

The church is in the hands of some very bad men, it is time for a cleansing, and a major reform. Including, arrests, prosecution, a removal of the celibacy clause, an elevation of women to the priesthood, among other items. This is after all the church that Jesus himself established, it's time to return to the basic roots of Christianity (service, sacrifice, equality, peace), quickly.


Brainwashed sheep, enjoy your flock.
Jesus established this? What a crock of shiat!
 
2010-03-25 01:32:47 PM  
Haha, when the bible was written, people believed the world was flat too!
 
2010-03-25 01:32:49 PM  
Donald_McRonald: Milwaukee's Roman Catholic archbishop warned a top Vatican office led by the future Pope Benedict XVI about a priest who may have molested as many as 200 deaf boys

Poor deaf kids didn't have a chance. They never hear you coming.


Came here...um....entered this thread to say that. /applaud
 
2010-03-25 01:32:58 PM  
2wolves: I'm still of the opinion that the child rapes so far exposed are a fraction of what happened.

Don't say "molested," this was/is rape.


You said "rape" twice.
 
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