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(UPI)   Fate of legalizing pot in California is near. Far out, man   (upi.com) divider line 557
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2010-03-24 03:14:41 PM
"Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked.

Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?
 
2010-03-24 03:24:26 PM
furiousxgeorge:
"Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked.

Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?


Oh, yeah, there is that.
 
2010-03-24 03:58:41 PM
Don't forget to bring a towel!
 
2010-03-24 05:08:56 PM
"Wha....what'd you say, man?"
boxothoughts.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-24 06:46:18 PM
fsbilly: Don't forget to bring a towel!

No, you're a towel!
 
2010-03-24 08:34:14 PM
That's putting it bluntly, subby.
 
2010-03-24 08:34:15 PM
Spliffy!
 
2010-03-24 08:37:58 PM
If this passes, I'm betting a lot of people will celebrate with their best bud.
 
2010-03-24 08:38:17 PM
Well I guess when you're on a sinking ship grasping for anything that may help you float for a few more hours is worth it?
 
2010-03-24 08:38:37 PM
prospect.rsc.org
 
2010-03-24 08:38:40 PM
I'm so farking legally drunk I can barely read. What's this article about anyways?
 
2010-03-24 08:38:52 PM
I know my cousins in California are jumping for joy after hearing this.
 
2010-03-24 08:38:58 PM
So, is this how California is planning to overcome their deficit?
 
2010-03-24 08:39:23 PM
A Message from the Drug Enforcement Administration

Summary of the Top Ten Facts on Legalization

Fact 1: We have made significant progress in fighting drug use and drug trafficking in America. Now is not the time to abandon our efforts.

The Legalization Lobby claims that the fight against drugs cannot be won. However, overall drug use is down by more than a third in the last twenty years, while cocaine use has dropped by an astounding 70 percent. Ninety-five percent of Americans do not use drugs. This is success by any standards.

Fact 2: A balanced approach of prevention, enforcement, and treatment is the key in the fight against drugs.

A successful drug policy must apply a balanced approach of prevention, enforcement and treatment. All three aspects are crucial. For those who end up hooked on drugs, there are innovative programs, like Drug Treatment Courts, that offer non-violent users the option of seeking treatment. Drug Treatment Courts provide court supervision, unlike voluntary treatment centers.

Fact 3: Illegal drugs are illegal because they are harmful.

There is a growing misconception that some illegal drugs can be taken safely. For example, savvy drug dealers have learned how to market drugs like Ecstasy to youth. Some in the Legalization Lobby even claim such drugs have medical value, despite the lack of conclusive scientific evidence.

Fact 4: Smoked marijuana is not scientifically approved medicine. Marinol, the legal version of medical marijuana, is approved by science.

According to the Institute of Medicine, there is no future in smoked marijuana as medicine. However, the prescription drug Marinol-a legal and safe version of medical marijuana which isolates the active ingredient of THC-has been studied and approved by the Food & Drug Administration as safe medicine. The difference is that you have to get a prescription for Marinol from a licensed physician. You can't buy it on a street corner, and you don't smoke it.

Fact 5: Drug control spending is a minor portion of the U.S. budget. Compared to the social costs of drug abuse and addiction, government spending on drug control is minimal.

The Legalization Lobby claims that the United States has wasted billions of dollars in its anti-drug efforts. But for those kids saved from drug addiction, this is hardly wasted dollars. Moreover, our fight against drug abuse and addiction is an ongoing struggle that should be treated like any other social problem. Would we give up on education or poverty simply because we haven't eliminated all problems? Compared to the social costs of drug abuse and addiction-whether in taxpayer dollars or in pain and suffering-government spending on drug control is minimal.

Fact 6: Legalization of drugs will lead to increased use and increased levels of addiction. Legalization has been tried before, and failed miserably.

Legalization has been tried before-and failed miserably. Alaska's experiment with Legalization in the 1970s led to the state's teens using marijuana at more than twice the rate of other youths nationally. This led Alaska's residents to vote to re-criminalize marijuana in 1990.

Fact 7: Crime, violence, and drug use go hand-in-hand.

Crime, violence and drug use go hand in hand. Six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs, as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs. Most drug crimes aren't committed by people trying to pay for drugs; they're committed by people on drugs.

Fact 8: Alcohol has caused significant health, social, and crime problems in this country, and legalized drugs would only make the situation worse.

The Legalization Lobby claims drugs are no more dangerous than alcohol. But drunk driving is one of the primary killers of Americans. Do we want our bus drivers, nurses, and airline pilots to be able to take drugs one evening, and operate freely at work the next day? Do we want to add to the destruction by making drugged driving another primary killer?

Fact 9: Europe's more liberal drug policies are not the right model for America.

The Legalization Lobby claims that the "European Model" of the drug problem is successful. However, since legalization of marijuana in Holland, heroin addiction levels have tripled. And Needle Park seems like a poor model for America.

Fact 10: Most non-violent drug users get treatment, not jail time.

The Legalization Lobby claims that America's prisons are filling up with users. Truth is, only about 5 percent of inmates in federal prison are there because of simple possession. Most drug criminals are in jail-even on possession charges-because they have plea-bargained down from major trafficking offences or more violent drug crimes.
 
2010-03-24 08:39:23 PM
This would be awesome.

I wouldn't have to get drunk to unwind...I could eat some cookies instead without fear of losing my job.

/nice.
 
2010-03-24 08:39:37 PM
I don't worry about potheads getting organized as they are all to baked too remember why they all got together anyway.
 
2010-03-24 08:39:41 PM
furiousxgeorge: "Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked.

Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?


It is pathetic that there is an actual war against a frickin' PLANT. Even during Prohibition it was that easy for the common person to distill spirits but to outlaw a frickin' PLANT that anybody could grow in their backyard? Amazing.
 
2010-03-24 08:41:20 PM
Goetz: A Message from the Drug Enforcement Administration

Summary of the Top Ten Facts on Legalization

...blah blah blah... not the right model for America.


Hahaha...stupid DEA.

They probably still watch Reefer Madness as a documentary film.
 
2010-03-24 08:41:37 PM
Back in those days everything was simpler and more confused
One summer night, going to the pier
I ran into two young girls
The blonde one was called freedom
The dark one, enterprise
We talked and they told me this story
Now listen to this...
 
2010-03-24 08:41:44 PM
Agatha Crispy: furiousxgeorge: "Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked.

Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?

It is pathetic that there is an actual war against a frickin' PLANT. Even during Prohibition it wasn't that easy for the common person to distill spirits but to outlaw a frickin' PLANT that anybody could grow in their backyard? Amazing.


Sorry
 
2010-03-24 08:41:56 PM
"Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked."


Hey, pal, ever hear the phrase "The cure is worse than the disease"?

That, and the fact that a lot of law-abiding people don't think "mind-altering" is a bad thing.
 
2010-03-24 08:42:43 PM
Goetz:

Well...like that's just your opinion man.
 
2010-03-24 08:43:34 PM
The mere fact that something like this has a chance at reaching the ballot is a sign of major progress.

Questions, though: What exactly would be the initiative that reaches the November ballot? Straight up legalization similar to that of alochol/tobacco (completely legal to purchase and possess provided you are of a certain age)? Also, when they say the "November ballot", does this mean it'll be up for voters to vote a simple yes/no at election time, or would this be a measure that the California legislature would have to debate and vote on?

/Off to research
 
2010-03-24 08:44:03 PM
SubBass49: This would be awesome.

I wouldn't have to get drunk to unwind...I could eat some cookies instead without fear of losing my job.

/nice.


There is nothing to stop your company from still having an anti-marijuana policy as a term of your employment.
 
2010-03-24 08:44:14 PM
logruszed: Goetz:

Well...like that's just your opinion man.


No Dude, that's the MANS opinion man.

.Dude
 
2010-03-24 08:44:26 PM
You know that if this passes, so-called "states rights" Republicans will be the first to call for the DEA to raid every California weed-grow outfit. Most of them only care about "states rights" when it's their right to keep brown people down.
 
2010-03-24 08:44:27 PM
furiousxgeorge: "Why on Earth would you want to add yet another mind-altering substance to the legal array?" he asked.

Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?


Cops are against Marijuana legalization because legalization means less need for "Drug Warriors" (snicker).

You know who legalization would hurt the most? Violent gangs here in the US and abroad. Marijuana is a huge moneymaker for these organizations.

I'd rather give money to the crooks without guns (corporations) than murderous thugs who live by them.
 
2010-03-24 08:44:49 PM
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/Educate, License, Tax, Rehabilitate.
 
2010-03-24 08:45:09 PM
"Look guy, are you gonna move? I've got the munchies"
midnightcafe.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-24 08:45:48 PM
Panty Sniffer: There is nothing to stop your company from still having an anti-marijuana policy as a term of your employment.

That'd suck.

Technically, they have an anti-alcoholic policy...though I control my drinking, I sure do enjoy some good beer...

/just polished off some Black-Eye from Mendocino Brewing...
//following up with some Sierra Nevada Glissade
 
2010-03-24 08:46:17 PM
A certain shade of green,
tell me, is that what you need?
All signs around say move ahead.
Could someone please explain to me your ever present
lack of speed?

Are your muscles bound by ropes?
Or do grudges cloud your day?
My sources say the road is clear,
and street signs point the way.

CHORUS
Are you gonna stand around till 2012 A.D.?
What are you waiting for,
A certain shade of green?
I think I grew a gray watching you procrastinate.
What are you waiting for,
A certain shade of green?

/ listen to the acoustic version, it's phenomenal
 
2010-03-24 08:46:35 PM
SubBass49: Goetz: A Message from the Drug Enforcement Administration

Summary of the Top Ten Facts on Legalization

...blah blah blah... not the right model for America.


Hahaha...stupid DEA.

They probably still watch Reefer Madness as a documentary film.


Oh good god that movie sucks beyond words. The acting totally sucks. Its like watching a really bad high school play about why not to smoke pot.

/believes that pot should be leagalized nationwide
 
2010-03-24 08:46:42 PM
nmemkha: Cops are against Marijuana legalization because legalization means less need for "Drug Warriors" (snicker)

Read "Breaking Rank" By Norm Stamper.

Not all cops are stupid morons.
 
2010-03-24 08:46:46 PM
Link (new window)
 
2010-03-24 08:46:57 PM
I hope the price will drop like a rock
 
2010-03-24 08:47:40 PM
AngryRetard: Link (new window)

DING DING DING
 
2010-03-24 08:47:57 PM
Oh, Google, how I love thee.

From NORML:

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) reintroduced legislation in February that seeks to legalize the production, distribution, and personal use of marijuana for adults age 21 and older.

As introduced, Assembly Bill 2254, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act of 2010, would enact regulations governing the commercial production and retail sale of marijuana for adults. The noncommercial cultivation of marijuana for personal use - defined as ten plants or fewer - would not be subject to taxation under the proposal. In addition, AB 2254 would not alter existing legislation on the use of medicinal cannabis, nor would it impose new taxes or sanctions on the medical cultivation of cannabis.


Is this the language of the initiative/bill that is being described in TFA, or is this something else?
 
2010-03-24 08:49:23 PM
They should sell it like smokes.
Tax the shait out of it and sell them at $10 a pack
 
2010-03-24 08:50:28 PM
Tony_Pepperoni: They should sell it like smokes.
Tax the shait out of it and sell them at $10 a pack


They just might since they are almost bankrupt.
 
2010-03-24 08:50:44 PM
SubBass49: They probably still watch Reefer Madness as a documentary film.

Along with a supplementary documentary feature like The Stoned Age, even.
 
2010-03-24 08:50:50 PM
furiousxgeorge
Because your nanny state campaign has had decades to try and wipe out a harmless plant but has failed miserably, creating a cascade of terrible consequences for people around the world?

i simply would not call pot harmless. No, i'm don't think its a gateway drug... but pot is harmful all on its own.

Chronic use permanently changes the part of your brain that controls perception ... your thoughts about yourself and the world around you become twisted, distorted, paranoid. Not to mention, it facilitates complacency. If one uses it to escape, they will never deal with their problems, they will never be motivated to improve themselves or their station in life...

look, i'm not saying its not fun, or doesnt' have some benefits, but you got to weigh the pros and the cons, folks.
 
2010-03-24 08:51:31 PM
Goetz: A Message from the Drug Enforcement Administration

Summary of the Top Ten Facts on Legalization

Fact 1: We have made significant progress in fighting drug use and drug trafficking in America. Now is not the time to abandon our efforts.

The Legalization Lobby claims that the fight against drugs cannot be won. However, overall drug use is down by more than a third in the last twenty years, while cocaine use has dropped by an astounding 70 percent. Ninety-five percent of Americans do not use drugs. This is success by any standards.


Yes, drug use is down, but not as low as countries where its perfectly legal.. They also have extensive education in those countries that teach you the truth about the drugs, not scare tactics. Also the 70s-80s experienced very high usage of drugs for a variety of reasons, we have a lot more education/knowledge about the effects of these drugs and make better choices now. Unprotected sex is way down as well, but its not illegal.

//Yes I know this isn't your option, just wanted to comment.
 
2010-03-24 08:51:39 PM
I forsee two problems with this law.

1) Article VI, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution makes U.S. Federal Law superiour to state laws that contradict it.

2) 21 USC 800-820, Title II of the U.S. Controlled Substances Act, Schedule I includes marijuana.

In either case, party on, dude.
 
2010-03-24 08:51:43 PM
For God's sake, California, do it!
 
2010-03-24 08:52:01 PM
This is the logical path, honestly. When you have a drug with very little physical addiction, less health hazards than currently legal alternatives, and proven medical benefits, it makes little sense to waste large amount of taxpayers money fighting it.

If you disagree with pot, don't smoke it obviously. But is it really worth destroying the futures of hardworking weekend smokers just to prosecute for having a joint on hand?

The "most users get treatment" punishment is still a massive burden because of its ramifications in your records (background checks, insurance issues, etc). When in really, there's just no reason to crowd the system with such pointless charges.

The "drug cartels are evil" outrage is also misplaced. Yes, the cartels and gangs control a good amount of the current distribution means. But that's chiefly as a result of no legal means being available, outside of small-scale FDA testing and research grow-ops.

//time to get off the podium..
 
2010-03-24 08:52:12 PM
T.rex: If one uses it to escape, they will never deal with their problems, they will never be motivated to improve themselves or their station in life...

You mean like alcohol and/or sex? Yeah...both legal.
 
2010-03-24 08:53:42 PM
On this picture, you see a concerned citizen blogging about it.

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2010-03-24 08:53:50 PM
"since legalization of marijuana in Holland, heroin addiction levels have tripled."

Ever heard of a non sequitur?

Seriously, though, I'd be laughing if I weren't so horrified. There are millions of idiots who will believe this balderdash simply because it's in print.
 
2010-03-24 08:54:01 PM
The real question is whether a company can still refuse to hire or will fire someone for a positive drug test.

I know that if they sell to the Federal Gov. they will since many contracts I've seen have a drug-free workplace clause.
 
2010-03-24 08:54:13 PM
Somaticasual: The "drug cartels are evil" outrage is also misplaced. Yes, the cartels and gangs control a good amount of the current distribution means. But that's chiefly as a result of no legal means being available, outside of small-scale FDA testing and research grow-ops.

Legalization would fark over many violent gangs. Sure they'd still make money on crack, speed, and heroin, but weed is the most popular drug. Take it out of the equation and you're taking gun money away from evil douchebags.
 
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