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(Gawker)   "We have airline records of the State Dep/CIA tails. Don't think you can get away with it. You cannot. This is WikiLeaks."   (gawker.com ) divider line
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2010-03-24 03:02:58 PM  
I have a list of all of the nuclear reactors in the United States thanks to wikileaks.

Don't fark with them. They're better at open source information than you are.
 
2010-03-24 03:03:21 PM  
Wikileaks.org is a website legendary in certain circles for posting documents people want hidden from the worlddelusional, self-righteous paranoia.

FTFY
 
2010-03-24 03:05:02 PM  
I don't know much about wikileaks, but isn't this a sort of "you mess with the bull, you get the horns" situation? They can't honestly be surprised.
 
2010-03-24 03:05:33 PM  
Yea, cuz they couldn't shut down their site if they really wanted to.
 
2010-03-24 03:06:01 PM  
Iceland is after them? Bjork is chasing them while wearing her swan dress! Aren't they busy right now with that whole volcano thing?
 
2010-03-24 03:06:21 PM  
Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.
 
2010-03-24 03:06:31 PM  
I just went to wikileaks.org

they have a picture of me typing "www.wikileaks.org"

/they are GOOD!
 
2010-03-24 03:06:49 PM  

GoldSpider: Wikileaks.org is a website legendary in certain circles for posting documents people want hidden from the worlddelusional, self-righteous paranoia.

FTFY


Leave the Army alone!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-03-24 03:07:22 PM  
You post classified, sensitive, and stolen documents and then get pissy when you are investigated?
 
2010-03-24 03:07:22 PM  
"currently under an aggressive US and Icelandic surveillance operation,"

i902.photobucket.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2010-03-24 03:07:50 PM  
and the link is farked
 
2010-03-24 03:07:59 PM  
Poor bastards were gonna get pinched eventually.
 
2010-03-24 03:08:31 PM  
news
 
2010-03-24 03:09:23 PM  
All this wiki stuff is unahmurican, we should call it freedompedia and freedomleaks from now on.
 
2010-03-24 03:09:23 PM  
Fark all government secrets. Government should have as few secrets as it can be forceably limited to.
 
2010-03-24 03:10:07 PM  
Um, not all classified documents are classified for nefarious reasons. Viewing classified documents is not a Constitutional right that I've ever heard of. Sorry.
 
2010-03-24 03:10:19 PM  
sboyle1020

Yea, cuz they couldn't shut down their site if they really wanted to.

These guys are paranoid enough that there are online mirrors scattered across jurisdictions and probably offline archives across even more jurisdictions.

What does shutting down one site do, exactly?
 
2010-03-24 03:10:35 PM  

howdyyall9999: You post classified, sensitive, and stolen documents and then get pissy when you are investigated?


So you subscribe to the notion that classification is never used to hide the misdeeds of the powerful?
 
2010-03-24 03:10:58 PM  

gshepnyc: Fark all government secrets. Government should have as few secrets as it can be forceably limited to.


Birth certificate joke in 3, 2 1...
 
2010-03-24 03:11:10 PM  
Now I'm even happier that I made a donation to Wikileaks!
 
2010-03-24 03:11:30 PM  
Oh. Pleaaaseee Mr. CIA man. Don't throw me in dat br'er patch!
 
2010-03-24 03:12:03 PM  
Any relation to Wikipedia throwing 404?
 
2010-03-24 03:12:08 PM  
"Two under State Dep diplomatic cover followed our editor from Iceland to http://skup.no on Thursday.

So does that mean they're pro-skup or anti-skup?
 
2010-03-24 03:12:13 PM  

bugmn99: Um, not all classified documents are classified for nefarious reasons. Viewing classified documents is not a Constitutional right that I've ever heard of. Sorry.


1. Did you RTFA?

2. Do you think that footage showing a bomb falling onto civilians should be classified? Do you think that there is ever a reason for simple bomb footage to ever be classified?
 
2010-03-24 03:12:54 PM  

GoldSpider: Wikileaks.org is a website legendary in certain circles for posting documents people want hidden from the worlddelusional, self-righteous paranoia.

FTFY


Cite or STFU. That's how it works outside of China, chump.
 
2010-03-24 03:14:11 PM  
So wait, free speech doesn't allow you to post classified information online? What a surprise! Look, I'm all for following the dictates of your conscience, but isn't part of that deal accepting the consequences of your actions?

Anyway, the best kind of paranoia has multiple defenses against logic and evidence. So on that basis, I'm going to say that the US and Iceland are investigating wikileaks to cover the fact that wikileaks is a CIA operation. Crap, is that a black helicopter outside?!?
 
2010-03-24 03:14:24 PM  
bugmn99

Um, not all classified documents are classified for nefarious reasons. Viewing classified documents is not a Constitutional right that I've ever heard of. Sorry.

Wikileaks is hosted by PRQ, a Sweden-based company providing "highly secure, no-questions-asked hosting services".

What's the US Constitution got to do with it?
 
2010-03-24 03:15:34 PM  
I can't wait until Dan Brown writes a technothriller about this.
 
2010-03-24 03:15:45 PM  
sboyle1020
Yea, cuz they couldn't shut down their site if they really wanted to.

Wouldn't that be kind of futile?
 
2010-03-24 03:16:14 PM  
Watch out everyone, WikiLeaks might send out the Panther Moderns.
 
2010-03-24 03:16:23 PM  

Genju: Any relation to Wikipedia throwing 404?


No.

Due to an overheating problem in our European data center many of our servers turned off to protect themselves. As this impacted all Wikipedia and other projects access from European users, we were forced to move all user traffic to our Florida cluster, for which we have a standard quick failover procedure in place, that changes our DNS entries.

However, shortly after we did this failover switch, it turned out that this failover mechanism was now broken, causing the DNS resolution of Wikimedia sites to stop working globally. This problem was quickly resolved, but unfortunately it may take up to an hour before access is restored for everyone, due to caching effects.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused.
 
2010-03-24 03:17:03 PM  
You are a government secret agency!
Don't blamed WikiLeaks if your agency is too incompetence to keep your secrets from leaking out!
 
2010-03-24 03:17:34 PM  

sboyle1020: Yea, cuz they couldn't shut down their site if they really wanted to.


because you can contain and suppress information on the internet.
 
2010-03-24 03:19:04 PM  

borland502: So wait, free speech doesn't allow you to post classified information online? What a surprise! Look, I'm all for following the dictates of your conscience, but isn't part of that deal accepting the consequences of your actions?


Whistle-blowers (depending on the circumstances obviously) are protected by law.
 
2010-03-24 03:19:10 PM  

hyperflame: bugmn99: Um, not all classified documents are classified for nefarious reasons. Viewing classified documents is not a Constitutional right that I've ever heard of. Sorry.

1. Did you RTFA?

2. Do you think that footage showing a bomb falling onto civilians should be classified? Do you think that there is ever a reason for simple bomb footage to ever be classified?


Stepping in here...

1) No, link fbxrd

2) yes and yes. Footage of bomb falling on civilians = we need to find out how our intel sources were compromised; until that's done one doesn't let one's adversaries know that they pulled a fast one. Footage of bomb falling = aerodynamics of the bomb are now public = a loss of competitive advantage over one's adversaries.
 
2010-03-24 03:19:25 PM  

Walker: Iceland is after them? Bjork is chasing them while wearing her swan dress! Aren't they busy right now with that whole volcano thing?


Honestly, if Bjork wants to chase me, I wouldn't complain.
 
2010-03-24 03:19:56 PM  

gshepnyc: Fark all government secrets. Government should have as few secrets as it can be forceably limited to.



This is better practice for keeping secrets than the DoD's older methods: losing USB flash drives, unencrypted Windows laptops, posting classified documents on their web, or hiring obvious Chinese spies.

I'm not sure why WikiLeaks would be considered a bigger threat than the dimwits staffing the Pentagon itself.
 
2010-03-24 03:20:44 PM  
Iceland should hire the GHSC.
 
2010-03-24 03:20:48 PM  
Governments frequently classify information they find embarrassing.

Other material can huge political consequences... Pentagon Papers, anyone?
 
2010-03-24 03:21:32 PM  
So is Wikileaks a conspiracy type website or could the claims be legit? Never used the site before, as a libertarian I appreciate the idea but am well aware sites and people claiming things like this are often conspiracy nuts.

what_now: I have a list of all of the nuclear reactors in the United States thanks to wikileaks.

Don't fark with them. They're better at open source information than you are.


I'm not sure why that's especially classified, stealing from nuclear power plants to create a bomb isn't especially practical. I'm not sure of how the uranium fuel is stored, but it's physically impossible to take the material from the reactor (alone) and create a nuclear explosion, and I imagine security would have you dead three or four times before you managed to actually take anything.
 
2010-03-24 03:23:15 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: howdyyall9999: You post classified, sensitive, and stolen documents and then get pissy when you are investigated?

So you subscribe to the notion that classification is never used to hide the misdeeds of the powerful?


So you are saying these people have no political motivation in determining which of these illegal documents sees the light of day?
 
2010-03-24 03:23:36 PM  
I'll stick to reporting album leaks
Link (new window)
 
2010-03-24 03:23:56 PM  

hyperflame: Do you think that there is ever a reason for simple bomb footage to ever be classified?


If it's anything like the aircraft I used to work on, any display recording is blanket-classified due to the very real possibility of classified constants or capabilities being revealed. It's easier and safer to assume the video is sensitive and declassify as-needed.
 
2010-03-24 03:24:00 PM  

El_Maestro: sboyle1020
Yea, cuz they couldn't shut down their site if they really wanted to.

Wouldn't that be kind of futile?


Probably. I'm just saying they're all paranoid for no reason. If the gub'ment really wanted to do something, it would have been done already.
 
2010-03-24 03:24:27 PM  

howdyyall9999: TofuTheAlmighty: howdyyall9999: You post classified, sensitive, and stolen documents and then get pissy when you are investigated?

So you subscribe to the notion that classification is never used to hide the misdeeds of the powerful?

So you are saying these people have no political motivation in determining which of these illegal documents sees the light of day?


Does it matter what their motivations are?
 
2010-03-24 03:24:37 PM  

Genju: Any relation to Wikipedia throwing 404?


Not all wikis are made by the same people, I kind of doubt these are the wikipedia guys. Wikis are a pretty farking awesome concept and reality, I was surprised how easy they are to edit, I can't imagine working on Wikipedia's current events articles though.
 
2010-03-24 03:25:05 PM  
Say what you want, those people have big brass ones.
 
2010-03-24 03:25:07 PM  

borland502: So wait, free speech doesn't allow you to post classified information online? What a surprise! Look, I'm all for following the dictates of your conscience, but isn't part of that deal accepting the consequences of your actions?

Anyway, the best kind of paranoia has multiple defenses against logic and evidence. So on that basis, I'm going to say that the US and Iceland are investigating wikileaks to cover the fact that wikileaks is a CIA operation. Crap, is that a black helicopter outside?!?


you are supposed to finish with "carrier los....."
 
2010-03-24 03:25:09 PM  

Giblet: gshepnyc: Fark all government secrets. Government should have as few secrets as it can be forceably limited to.


This is better practice for keeping secrets than the DoD's older methods: losing USB flash drives, unencrypted Windows laptops, posting classified documents on their web, or hiring obvious Chinese spies.

I'm not sure why WikiLeaks would be considered a bigger threat than the dimwits staffing the Pentagon itself.


Because this way it gives them an enemy to fight instead of a defect to acknowledge and fix. That's always their preference.

The best defense against a future where government spies on citizens and knows every little thing about them is to make sure the government itself has no secure secrets.
 
2010-03-24 03:25:16 PM  

Barakku: So is Wikileaks a conspiracy type website or could the claims be legit?


They post documents leaked to them from all over the place.. To the extent that once, after one of their reps screwed up and sent out an email with their contributors emails in it CC'd not BCC'd, someone posted the email list to their own website, and they listed it.

They're pretty straight.. there's not a lot of editorializing going on over there.
 
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