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(io9)   Five dystopias healthcare reform could prevent and one it could cause. All Subby wants to know is; when are Milla Jovovich and Charlize Theron showing up in the black spandex?   (io9.com) divider line 199
    More: Unlikely, Milla Jovovich, Charlize Theron, preventive care, a step away, economies of scale, masking, Assistant Secretary, health care reform  
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2010-03-24 11:04:22 AM  
give me Milla! You can keep Charlize
 
2010-03-24 11:22:58 AM  
I sometimes wish for a mutant plague, but nooooo, all we got was a plague of tards.
 
2010-03-24 11:28:26 AM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: give me Milla! You can keep Charlize

It's a deal.
 
wee
2010-03-24 11:49:09 AM  
PC LOAD LETTER: It's a deal.

Back off shiatbird, she's mine!
 
2010-03-24 11:54:08 AM  
i295.photobucket.com

/hot
 
2010-03-24 12:01:04 PM  
It smacks of Right-wing desperation
To argue the whole of the nation
Is facing a plague
Because of some vague
Provisions of this legislation.
 
2010-03-24 12:06:44 PM  
wee: shiatbird

Looks like I have a new expression now.
 
2010-03-24 12:28:48 PM  
The stupid was too heavy for me to finish the article. But from what I've been hearing from politicians and peole arguing about healthcare, I have no doubt that at least they think reformed healthcare could either completely save the world from zombie superviruses or turn us into the farking Matrix with people growing in tubes and the government leeching our precious bodily fluids.
 
2010-03-24 12:46:16 PM  
Dystopia? A future where everyone backwards things reads?
 
2010-03-24 12:46:41 PM  
 
2010-03-24 12:46:51 PM  
MaxxLarge: It smacks of Right-wing desperation
To argue the whole of the nation
Is facing a plague
Because of some vague
Provisions of this legislation.



Usually your little poems annoy me, but that one wasn't bad. I chuckled inwardly.
 
2010-03-24 12:48:19 PM  
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dystopia? A future where everyone backwards things reads?

Backwards order not, of out just is it.
 
2010-03-24 12:48:43 PM  
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dystopia? A future where everyone backwards things reads?

Dystopics of the world untie!
 
2010-03-24 12:50:07 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: The Stealth Hippopotamus: give me Milla! You can keep Charlize

It's a deal.


Don't make you cut you for looking at my womens
 
2010-03-24 12:50:34 PM  
www.homevideos.com
/saw it coming
 
2010-03-24 12:51:22 PM  
I'm withholding judgement until rivers start running red as though they are blood.

/first born son
 
2010-03-24 12:52:08 PM  
PC LOAD LETTER: wee: shiatbird

Looks like I have a new expression now.


Go watch Become the Noble SavageDances With Wolves. It's in there.
 
2010-03-24 12:52:27 PM  
jesdynf: http://www.dayssincesocialisthealthcaredestroyedamerica.com/

I didn't realize people who are on Medicare are forced to pay for it or be fined.
 
2010-03-24 12:52:50 PM  
006andahalf: I'm withholding judgement until rivers start running red as though they are blood.

/first born son


You mean like that glacier thing from yesterday?
 
2010-03-24 12:52:50 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: give me Milla! You can keep Charlize

Whoa whoa there, lets not get hasty. You keep your grubby paws off my multipass
 
2010-03-24 12:52:57 PM  
basemetal: I sometimes wish for a mutant plague, but nooooo, all we got was a plague of tards.

"Plague of Tards" would make a great name for a band.

What a plague of tards might look like:

snyders.ws
 
2010-03-24 12:53:24 PM  
Evil_ferret: jesdynf: http://www.dayssincesocialisthealthcaredestroyedamerica.com/

I didn't realize people who are on Medicare are forced to pay for it or be fined.


Try not paying your taxes that fund it, comrade.
 
2010-03-24 12:53:51 PM  
It still won't prevent zombies from a military made virus outbreak or giant robots and skynet...
 
2010-03-24 12:54:20 PM  
ronaprhys: 006andahalf: I'm withholding judgement until rivers start running red as though they are blood.

/first born son

You mean like that glacier thing from yesterday?


Does it feed into the LA river?
 
2010-03-24 12:54:46 PM  
And one else only notice the Russel T. Davies reference, and quickly forget everything else.
 
2010-03-24 12:55:31 PM  
Nothing Dystopic about this...

www.aceshowbiz.com

from my angle, it looks pretty utopic.


www.blogcdn.com
 
2010-03-24 12:55:33 PM  
Nobody seems to bring up that health care reform will lessen the pressure on people to put money in savings to pay for catastrophic sickness. So they will spend more money and cause our economy to grow.

In other words this health care will let more people spend away every little bit of money they get their hands on. So this is a good thing...
 
2010-03-24 12:57:09 PM  
Evil_ferret:
I didn't realize people who are on Medicare are forced to pay for it or be fined.


Yeah, uh, you should probably look at your pay stub sometime.
 
2010-03-24 12:57:26 PM  
I an wondering about a few things with this new health care.

I have a friend whose 18 year old, still in high school son diagnosed with testicular and lung cancer. Now the hospitals will no longer take his insurance.

Maybe it isn't just the insurance companies....maybe he is a victim of them not paying out in the past?

Is it truly going to stop this crap?

/hard morning.
 
2010-03-24 12:58:57 PM  
Why are they using the Korean poster for Ultraviolet?
 
2010-03-24 12:59:23 PM  
I figure that in the offing is a veritable horde of honest, patriotic and civic-minded politicians waiting to take over the congress, they'll be able to repeal the thing soon enough and I tell this to anyone who tries to get me all hot and bothered about it. After about the 10th person I managed to only giggle slightly while saying it.
 
2010-03-24 12:59:39 PM  
Barakku: The stupid was too heavy for me to finish the article. But from what I've been hearing from politicians and peole arguing about healthcare, I have no doubt that at least they think reformed healthcare could either completely save the world from zombie superviruses or turn us into the farking Matrix with people growing in tubes and the government leeching our precious bodily fluids Ultraviolet.

Seriously, that shiatfest was quite clearly the worst film I have ever had the misfortune to suffer through. What's funny is that Milla wasn't even the worst part of it. It was all the over-the-top CGI and action sequences, bled all the charm out of it. Well, at least it had William Fichtner.
 
2010-03-24 01:00:26 PM  
here4few:
I have a friend whose 18 year old, still in high school son diagnosed with testicular and lung cancer. Now the hospitals will no longer take his insurance.


If he has insurance, but the hospitals aren't taking it, it means one of a few things: either the insurance companies are supposed to pay his bills but aren't (which is fraud and already illegal, but will have strengthened regulations under this bill), or his insurance company doesn't cover cancer treatments (which will be changed under this bill), or he's hit his lifetime cap due to all the cancer treatment (there are no more lifetime caps under this bill).

Not all of that kicks in immediately, but yes, in the future situations like that should happen a lot less if at all.
 
2010-03-24 01:03:18 PM  
/saw it coming


No, Bill Hicks saw it coming. Denis Leary just repeated it as if it were his own.
 
2010-03-24 01:05:29 PM  
006andahalf: ronaprhys: 006andahalf: I'm withholding judgement until rivers start running red as though they are blood.

/first born son

You mean like that glacier thing from yesterday?

Does it feed into the LA river?


No - it's in Antarctica, so only Germany should suffer.
 
2010-03-24 01:05:59 PM  
Donnchadha: Try not paying your taxes that fund it, comrade.

You mean like try not paying for roads, or police, or firemen or anything else you are forced to pay for but probably don't whine like a douche about.

We pay for the fact that people can't pay their medical bills all of time. When people can't work because they wait until the last moment on an illness and go to the hospital, instead of the doctor those people are not creating wealth in our society. So in other words... we ALL pay now for a broken health system.
 
2010-03-24 01:08:34 PM  
Would the Republican health care reform bill have been any different?


That's what really aggravates me. I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, I dislike most of what both parties stand for (and likewise agree on a few things that both stand for), but the Republicans are far more petty & childish about the whole thing> They spin news & manipulate the facts to make it look like the Democrat's heathcare bill would ruin America, but were they in power, their bill would have been nearly identical.
 
2010-03-24 01:09:42 PM  
401kman: You mean like try not paying for roads, or police, or firemen or anything else you are forced to pay for but probably don't whine like a douche about.

There are some differences between those and healthcare, but whatever.

We pay for the fact that people can't pay their medical bills all of time. When people can't work because they wait until the last moment on an illness and go to the hospital, instead of the doctor those people are not creating wealth in our society. So in other words... we ALL pay now for a broken health system.

I don't think anyone denies that healthcare is a cost to society. What we argue about is the best way to change the system. There's a difference here - I don't want the government to pay for this. Not at all. Then again, I don't want the government to pay for any social services except for those who are physically incapable (i.e., so physically or mentally gone that they literally can't work any job other than of doorstop or something similar).
 
2010-03-24 01:10:14 PM  
schattenteufel: Would the Republican health care reform bill have been any different?

It would have covered 3 million people instead of 32 million people, according to the CBO.
 
2010-03-24 01:10:18 PM  
Racht: Evil_ferret:
I didn't realize people who are on Medicare are forced to pay for it or be fined.

Yeah, uh, you should probably look at your pay stub sometime.


Or your receipt at the local store... or at the gas you put in your car... or anything else that funds the roads you drive on or pays for any other "free" service. I love the fact that people think that they were "free" before this bill and now they aren't. I would say wake up and smell the coffee you douche to anyone that had the idea that they could not pay for what the uninsured cost us everyday.
 
2010-03-24 01:10:21 PM  
Seth'n'Spectrum:
Seriously, that shiatfest was quite clearly the worst film I have ever had the misfortune to suffer through.


Obviously you never watched BloodRayne.
 
2010-03-24 01:10:30 PM  
schattenteufel: Would the Republican health care reform bill have been any different?


That's what really aggravates me. I'm neither Democrat nor Republican, I dislike most of what both parties stand for (and likewise agree on a few things that both stand for), but the Republicans are far more petty & childish about the whole thing> They spin news & manipulate the facts to make it look like the Democrat's heathcare bill would ruin America, but were they in power, their bill would have been nearly identical.


If the Dems were the minority party, they'd do the same thing. That's how politics work.
 
2010-03-24 01:10:46 PM  
Jovovovovobe in my bunk.
 
2010-03-24 01:11:41 PM  
Nice to see a nod to Spider-Man 2099 in there.
 
2010-03-24 01:12:41 PM  
cache.gawkerassets.com

Aaaawww, Sarah Michelle Gellar, you look cute in anything.

/fap fap fap
 
2010-03-24 01:12:51 PM  
So socialist control will save us. Unless it takes over our lives.
 
2010-03-24 01:15:10 PM  
Racht: If he has insurance, but the hospitals aren't taking it, it means one of a few things: either the insurance companies are supposed to pay his bills but aren't (which is fraud and already illegal, but will have strengthened regulations under this bill), or his insurance company doesn't cover cancer treatments (which will be changed under this bill), or he's hit his lifetime cap due to all the cancer treatment (there are no more lifetime caps under this bill).

Not all of that kicks in immediately, but yes, in the future situations like that should happen a lot less if at all.


Without a claims history and a copy of the policy I can't say for certain, but you've hit on the most likely problems.

From my experiences working on claims logic at an incompetent insurance company, it's likely the lifetime max being hit. Cancer treatment adds up and a lot of group insurance has a relatively low $1 million max. If it's an individual policy it could be as low as $750k.

I wish the patient the best of luck and would urge them to contact their insurer. If they wish to have their parent speak on their behalf they still need to call and grant verbal permission thanks to the crap legislation that is HIPPA.
 
2010-03-24 01:15:26 PM  
mmmm milla
img413.imageshack.us
 
2010-03-24 01:17:25 PM  
ronaprhys: I don't think anyone denies that healthcare is a cost to society. What we argue about is the best way to change the system. There's a difference here - I don't want the government to pay for this. Not at all. Then again, I don't want the government to pay for any social services except for those who are physically incapable (i.e., so physically or mentally gone that they literally can't work any job other than of doorstop or something similar).

Good luck with that. No country in the world does what you are talking about, because it does not work.

All of the countries that live longer and healthier lives, pay less as a percentage of GDP towards health care than we do, have lower infant mortality rates, all have socialized health care. Nobody doing what you are talking about is even outside of the 3rd world.
 
2010-03-24 01:19:08 PM  
Seth'n'Spectrum: Barakku: Ultraviolet.

Seriously, that shiatfest was quite clearly the worst film I have ever had the misfortune to suffer through. What's funny is that Milla wasn't even the worst part of it. It was all the over-the-top CGI and action sequences, bled all the charm out of it. Well, at least it had William Fichtner.


Meh. Nick Chinlund has rapidly become my favorite type-cast heavy. If anyone puts the final stake in Chuck Norris' ego, it should be him.
 
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