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(ABC7 LA)   Ric Romero clarifies the immediate and long term effects of the health care reform bill in a thoughtful, and politically neutral timeline. Submitter is buying a lottery ticket, and hitting on the clerk   (abclocal.go.com ) divider line
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2010-03-23 12:42:05 AM  
Even the sun shines on a dog's ass twice a day yada, yada, yada...

But I'll be damned if it isn't a clear, simple explanation without any "It's socialism!/It's the second coming!" BS.
 
2010-03-23 01:10:18 AM  
Thank you, Ric Romero!
 
2010-03-23 01:16:14 AM  
Can we please have a Romero tag?
 
2010-03-23 01:31:34 AM  
Is water really wet?
 
2010-03-23 01:52:47 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Is water really wet?


He said that in some video he was doing talking about Fark I think
 
2010-03-23 02:07:12 AM  

Antidamascus: NewportBarGuy: Is water really wet?

He said that in some video he was doing talking about Fark I think


He did indeed. By not only mentioning fark, but also acknowledging his meme and further using it himself he has proven himself to be a pretty awesome guy.

/"This just in, water is wet!"
 
2010-03-23 02:13:32 AM  

SoothinglyDeranged: He did indeed. By not only mentioning fark, but also acknowledging his meme and further using it himself he has proven himself to be a pretty awesome guy.

/"This just in, water is wet!"


Yeah, he seems pretty cool all around when you get down to it.
 
2010-03-23 02:19:11 AM  
Submitter is buying a lottery ticket, and hitting on the clerk

What if the clerk is an old, fat guy?
 
2010-03-23 06:28:53 AM  
God bless you, Ric Romano!
 
2010-03-23 07:56:18 AM  
Why is everyone so keen on ignoring the horrible provision that fines people for not giving money to insurance companies??

Fixing healthcare in this country will be solved, in large part, by eliminating insurance companies. Not by giving them guaranteed federally mandated revenue streams.
 
2010-03-23 07:57:40 AM  
I didn't catch the part where he said it is a wealth redistribution plan. That's as obvious as anything else in this bill.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-03-23 08:00:55 AM  
That is a good article.

What I learned from the article is, I need to have a lot of kids, fast, to qualify for a subsidy. Is Octomom available for another round?

ultimately 94 percent of eligible Americans would have coverage

We've learned in Massachusetts, insurance coverage makes little difference to health care. It doesn't get people into the doctor's office.

Imposes $2.3 billion annual fee on drugmakers, increasing over time.

Or as the Fark headline had it: "Health care bill has new $5 billion tax on medical devices, to be paid for by increased price of medical devices, to be paid for by increased government health care spending, to be paid for by new tax."
 
2010-03-23 08:05:32 AM  

BillCo: I didn't catch the part where he said it is a wealth redistribution plan. That's as obvious as anything else in this bill.


No mention of the death panels either.
 
2010-03-23 09:16:48 AM  
I like how Ric made that clear enough for even your average Farker to understand. FTFA: Among changes happening this year, the new bill stops insurance companies from putting lifetime dollar limits on coverage and it bars insurance companies from canceling policies except for fraud.

Person: I'm buying this insurance policy.
Insurance company: OK, thank you for your money.

*5 YEARS LATER*

Person: Hi. I just got cancer.
Insurance company: LOL OMG FRAUD!!!!1
 
2010-03-23 09:21:13 AM  

beve: BillCo: I didn't catch the part where he said it is a wealth redistribution plan. That's as obvious as anything else in this bill.

No mention of the death panels either.


It's a conspiracy.

That wording is hidden in the last section. The first letter, plus the last letter of every other word in each sentence spells out imminent doom.
 
2010-03-23 09:43:34 AM  
Seems this bill will also impose a *federal* sales tax on tanning saloons and some medical devices?? Huh.
 
2010-03-23 09:56:35 AM  

xanadian: Seems this bill will also impose a *federal* sales tax on tanning saloons and some medical devices?? Huh.


Yep, tanning by lightbulb, but not spray-on tanning...and no tax on using the beach to tan either. Seems they only care about some unhealthy activity. I was promised Big Brother...but this is more like ex-tanning bed client.
 
2010-03-23 09:58:58 AM  

xanadian: Seems this bill will also impose a *federal* sales tax on tanning saloons and some medical devices?? Huh.


Guido tax to stick it to John Boehner.
 
2010-03-23 10:02:38 AM  

Aexia: xanadian: Seems this bill will also impose a *federal* sales tax on tanning saloons and some medical devices?? Huh.

Guido tax to stick it to John Boehner.


Say wuh?
whyisthathot.com
 
2010-03-23 10:04:16 AM  
Like others here, I'm starting to gain more and more respect for this guy. Well done mr. romero.
 
2010-03-23 10:06:50 AM  

SchlingFocker: Why is everyone so keen on ignoring the horrible provision that fines people for not giving money to insurance companies??

Fixing healthcare in this country will be solved, in large part, by eliminating insurance companies. Not by giving them guaranteed federally mandated revenue streams.


Because eliminating insurance companies is socialism, and socialism is evil. Were you paying attention at all to the retards screaming and waving racist signs? Or Glenn Beck's blackboard?
 
2010-03-23 10:08:05 AM  
I'm betting that most illnesses could be cured simply by being in the presence of Ric Romero's mustache. All hail Romero and his majestic stacheness!

SoothinglyDeranged: He did indeed. By not only mentioning fark, but also acknowledging his meme and further using it himself he has proven himself to be a pretty awesome guy.


He's definitely a smooth cat. I'm still impressed with his response when Fark raided his facebook page. He challenged us to put our money where our mouth is and donate to some charity he was promoting during Christmas-time. He ended up bringing in a shiatpot of money for underprivileged kids from what I recall and gave the Fark community a shout out for helping the effort. Plus he said, "this just in - water is wet," which is farking awesome. We gave him an epic amount of shiat and he took it in stride. He's a classy dude.
 
2010-03-23 10:08:08 AM  
Clearly this thread will be full of rational discourse and facts with no hysteria or retardery.

SchlingFocker: Why is everyone so keen on ignoring the horrible provision that fines people for not giving money to insurance companies??

Fixing healthcare in this country will be solved, in large part, by eliminating insurance companies. Not by giving them guaranteed federally mandated revenue streams.


BillCo: I didn't catch the part where he said it is a wealth redistribution plan. That's as obvious as anything else in this bill.


ZAZ: That is a good article.

What I learned from the article is, I need to have a lot of kids, fast, to qualify for a subsidy. Is Octomom available for another round?

ultimately 94 percent of eligible Americans would have coverage

We've learned in Massachusetts, insurance coverage makes little difference to health care. It doesn't get people into the doctor's office.

Imposes $2.3 billion annual fee on drugmakers, increasing over time.

Or as the Fark headline had it: "Health care bill has new $5 billion tax on medical devices, to be paid for by increased price of medical devices, to be paid for by increased government health care spending, to be paid for by new tax."


Oh. Too late.
 
2010-03-23 10:08:28 AM  

xanadian: Seems this bill will also impose a *federal* sales tax on tanning saloons ....



seeker401.files.wordpress.com

"They can take my tanning bed from my dead, leathery orange hands!!"
 
2010-03-23 10:08:35 AM  
I'll be damned. That's a timely piece of real journalism there, Ric.

Does this mean he has to shave the mustaches off his Romerocopter?
 
2010-03-23 10:09:15 AM  
No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another. And yes, I know that it helps society when people are healthy but that's what some of you don't get. This doesn't mean BETTER healthcare. It just means everyone gets insurance. Oh, and whats that? You need some test that might save your life? Name on the list, might take months. Try not to die while waiting.

Oh, and why don't we just offer to cover all of Mexico? I'm oh so glad I get to cover illegal aliens so they are healthy enough to steal jobs and commit crimes. And don't try to say that they don't. Illegals are a complete concer on socitey and Cali proves it.


Does healtcare need changes? Yes.

Are there waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better ways to do it? YES.
 
2010-03-23 10:09:17 AM  
Also, if go to the tanning salon, there will be a 10 percent sales tax for indoor tanning which starts this year.

Soon to be known as "The Boehner Tax"

/giggity!
 
2010-03-23 10:09:42 AM  

That_Dude: Submitter is buying a lottery ticket, and hitting on the clerk

What if the clerk is an old, fat guy?


You pays your money, you takes your chances. It's always a gamble.
 
2010-03-23 10:10:22 AM  

el wharrrgarblo: No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another. And yes, I know that it helps society when people are healthy but that's what some of you don't get. This doesn't mean BETTER healthcare. It just means everyone gets insurance. Oh, and whats that? You need some test that might save your life? Name on the list, might take months. Try not to die while waiting.

Oh, and why don't we just offer to cover all of Mexico? I'm oh so glad I get to cover illegal aliens so they are healthy enough to steal jobs and commit crimes. And don't try to say that they don't. Illegals are a complete concer on socitey and Cali proves it.


Does healtcare need changes? Yes.

Are there waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better ways to do it? YES.


You sound.... concerned
 
2010-03-23 10:10:58 AM  
More articles like this during the hysteria, instead of coverage of the hysteria, would have reduced the hysteria.
 
2010-03-23 10:11:41 AM  

el wharrrgarblo: No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another. And yes, I know that it helps society when people are healthy but that's what some of you don't get. This doesn't mean BETTER healthcare. It just means everyone gets insurance. Oh, and whats that? You need some test that might save your life? Name on the list, might take months. Try not to die while waiting.

Oh, and why don't we just offer to cover all of Mexico? I'm oh so glad I get to cover illegal aliens so they are healthy enough to steal jobs and commit crimes. And don't try to say that they don't. Illegals are a complete concer on socitey and Cali proves it.


Does healtcare need changes? Yes.

Are there waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better ways to do it? YES.


I'm sorry, I can't believe this isn't a troll. If not, your username is quite fitting.
 
2010-03-23 10:11:46 AM  
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2010-03-23 10:13:02 AM  
Just medicare.

Seems few want to actually discuss the REAL effects this will have on individual insurance premiums REAL people have to pay which are going to SKYROCKET.
 
2010-03-23 10:13:15 AM  
we need a Romero tag because now there are actual links to his news stories, before it was just a joke in the headline.
 
2010-03-23 10:13:15 AM  
One thing that is completely retarded in this bill, and my stupid state of MA is the extra tax if you don't have insurance.
#1: If you can't afford it, how is it going to help to tax someone more to make it that much more unaffordable
#2: If I don't want insurance, that's my problem. Why should the gobment give a crap?
 
2010-03-23 10:14:16 AM  

el wharrrgarblo: No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another. And yes, I know that it helps society when people are healthy but that's what some of you don't get. This doesn't mean BETTER healthcare. It just means everyone gets insurance. Oh, and whats that? You need some test that might save your life? Name on the list, might take months. Try not to die while waiting.


"Oh, that never happens now", he said after having waited 4 months for his mom to have an ultrasound that spotted a thrombosis in her neck.
 
2010-03-23 10:14:25 AM  

stryker4526: Oh. Too late.


Excuse me, but did I misrepresent the legislation?

In a few years, will people not be fined if they don't give money to private insurance companies?
 
2010-03-23 10:15:00 AM  
After having read the article and absorbed the provisions that will be implemented, I can sum it up in the three words I saw posted on Facebook most often yesterday:

WELCOME TO SOCIALISM!!!!!11
 
2010-03-23 10:15:11 AM  
el wharrrgarblo: No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another.

So funding anything with taxes is stealing from one person and giving it to another?

avatar.movetoiceland.com
 
2010-03-23 10:15:57 AM  
Good job Ray Ramono!!!
 
2010-03-23 10:16:09 AM  

SchlingFocker: stryker4526: Oh. Too late.

Excuse me, but did I misrepresent the legislation?

In a few years, will people not be fined if they don't give money to private insurance companies?


Oh, sorry, I meant to delete yours from the retardery list.
You're right. That's why I'm still petitioning my representatives to push for a public option.
 
2010-03-23 10:16:38 AM  

The Icelander: el wharrrgarblo: No matter how you slice it, it's stealing from one guy and giving it to another.

So funding anything with taxes is stealing from one person and giving it to another?


All I heard when reading your post was

DUN DUN DUN...

=)
 
2010-03-23 10:18:20 AM  
Sorry, just channeling what some people say even when the facts are in front of them. :(

I don't get why people stick their fingers in their ears and go "LA LA LA" when they are presented with something conflicting with what Rush told them to think.
 
2010-03-23 10:18:21 AM  

luken8r: One thing that is completely retarded in this bill, and my stupid state of MA is the extra tax if you don't have insurance.
#1: If you can't afford it, how is it going to help to tax someone more to make it that much more unaffordable


There are exemptions for people who can't afford it, and they're based on the cost of the cheapest plan available to you, not just based on a flat figure.

#2: If I don't want insurance, that's my problem. Why should the gobment give a crap?

Because if you have, say, a sudden heart attack, or catch meningitis or the like, and you don't have insurance, then your care is not going to get paid for. And then we are right back where we started.
 
2010-03-23 10:18:49 AM  

stryker4526: I'm sorry, I can't believe this isn't a troll. If not, your username is quite fitting.


Thanks, I was gonna bite, I didn't even look at the name.

8/10. Lack of "Fartbamaos" didn't make it obvious. It would have been 9/10 if no tfor the name.
 
2010-03-23 10:21:34 AM  

stryker4526: Oh, sorry, I meant to delete yours from the retardery list.
You're right. That's why I'm still petitioning my representatives to push for a public option.


Oh, no worries then :) A public option would have been the most efficient way to fix healthcare in this country.

At the outset of this, I predicted that the insurance companies would find a way to make out like bandits.

I, however, predicted that it would be the government giving taxpayer money directly to the insurance companies.

I'm not sure if my initial prediction is better or worse than how this legislation panned out.
 
2010-03-23 10:22:42 AM  

SchlingFocker: Fixing healthcare in this country will be solved, in large part, by eliminating insurance companies. Not by giving them guaranteed federally mandated revenue streams.


I agree, single-payer would save a good amount of money.

But since nobody would even consider that, we have the current law.

You can't have guaranteed insurability (i.e. no rejecting people for pre-existing conditions) unless you have an individual mandate, otherwise nobody would ever buy insurance until they got sick, so there would be no healthy people in the pool to help spread the risk around.

With an individual mandate, you've gotta have subsidies, so people can afford it.
 
2010-03-23 10:23:39 AM  

luken8r: One thing that is completely retarded in this bill, and my stupid state of MA is the extra tax if you don't have insurance.
#1: If you can't afford it, how is it going to help to tax someone more to make it that much more unaffordable
#2: If I don't want insurance, that's my problem. Why should the gobment give a crap?


1. Read TFA: If by tax you mean fine ($94), if you can't afford insurance, there are subsidies.
2. Because if you get sick & can't pay your bills, we (taxpayers) get stuck doing it for you.
 
2010-03-23 10:23:45 AM  
If only there were some way this new healthcare legislation could cure the derp pandemic that's running rampant through the population.
 
2010-03-23 10:24:44 AM  

luken8r: One thing that is completely retarded in this bill, and my stupid state of MA is the extra tax if you don't have insurance.
#1: If you can't afford it, how is it going to help to tax someone more to make it that much more unaffordable
#2: If I don't want insurance, that's my problem. Why should the gobment give a crap?



Not that happy about this necessity given the compromise nature of the bill, but ...

#1 - there is an out for financial hardship. Fee starts at $95 per person, and raises to a max of less than $700 and family max less than $3000 over several years .

#2 - It becomes our problem when you ride a motorcycle without a helmet and a) have no insurance or b) have shiatty insurance and even the basic first few hours, days, weeks of trauma and critical care eat up your estate or insurance or both. This is just to save the life. You won't be getting meaningful post-op rehab, or non-life saving treatments. Then, if you live, you get to go to Medicaid funded nursing home. I know --- crazy hypothetical, but one that happens every day.
 
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