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2010-03-22 11:05:20 PM
ZeroCorpse: Witchydiva: ZeroCorpse:
Well put. Enjoy a month of lowered productivity.

Thanks for the TF. I would have settled for a kiss.

Oh well. TF will have to do. ;)

(Seriously, thanks!)


Wait till your first TorD...
/welcome to the dark side, resistance is futile...
 
2010-03-22 11:05:29 PM
Here comes the science.

Graph of desirability of a female (to most males) VS weight

members.shaw.ca
 
2010-03-22 11:07:09 PM
2theruns: ///Everyone quit being fat

/stop making skinny people taste so good!!
 
2010-03-22 11:07:14 PM
At what point did "has an hourglass figure" get lumped in with "bellyfat" as both being "plus-sized"?

I'm serious. Everyone and their mother can tell the difference between needing larger clothes because of an honest-to-god curvy frame, and needing larger clothes because of a stomach that any trucker would be proud of.

Big breasts and wide hips are not nearly the same thing as an antipode-cell-filled stomach. Everything should be based on hip-to-waist ratio. So:

Modeling industry:

Stop hiring models with low hip-to-waist ratios and calling them "plus-sized". It doesn't convince women they're similar, since even the most retarded woman can look at herself and say "I don't have a flat stomach, and I don't wear bigger clothes because my hips and breasts are larger".

Bigger women:

Stop thinking that there's some comparison between being fat, and being curvy. Stop using the two interchangeably. If you're going to call yourself curvy, you need to have curves. If your waist is as wide as your hips, that's not curve, that's "tube".

Men:

If you like overweight women, be honest about it. Be a chubby chaser and damn proud of it. Hell, you can even say its because they're more real, or more normal, or less work, or anything that doesn't get within a city mile of "they're easier to get in bed". Alternately, you can say that it's because fat girls are easier to persuade to ride your baloney pony.
 
2010-03-22 11:08:49 PM
BolshevikMuppet: your baloney pony.

we give better head because we're hungry

/mmmm baloney...
//mmmm ponies...
 
2010-03-22 11:11:18 PM
URAPNIS: ace in your face: On Americas Next Top Model they have a "plus size" girl. She is like 6 feet tall and wears a size 10. Thats insane. Thats a SLIM girl not even regular girl. I wear a size 10 at 5'4 and people think I am hot and certainly don't consider me plus sized or a fatty. Plus, size 10 isn't a plus size anyway, wtf?

Depends


Um no it doesn't. You clearly don't know anything about sizing.
 
2010-03-22 11:13:08 PM
BolshevikMuppet: Big breasts and wide hips are not nearly the same thing as an antipode-cell-filled stomach. Everything should be based on hip-to-waist ratio. So:


It's "adipose".

"Antipode" means directly opposite.
 
2010-03-22 11:13:55 PM
ZeroCorpse: Oh, and for the record, I would wreck this:



Because... DAMN. Hips like that are worth grabbing onto.


For a while I went out with a girl I worked with, I think I was about 19 or so, she was half black and half latina, (her family came from Costa Rica) and her body was similar to that shape and size.

She was also older than me, pushing 30.

She did some very, very bad things to me. She'd pick me up, throw me around, toss me down, and in short, woman-handled me.

She was batshiat crazy though, and things didn't work out between us.

/Her idea of foreplay was starting arguments and fights, throwing things like lamps, plates, glasses, coffee mugs, etc, and getting good and angry. She was scary.
//I really don't miss her actually.
///Completely nutters.
////But she was a damn good cook, and for a time, we worked well together in the kitchen.
 
2010-03-22 11:16:30 PM
MorePeasPlease: chu2dogg: The ability to have a tight waste with a thick ass...


A thick ass might just promote tighter waste.


I could buy that.. in some body types. For others, targeting fat loss to your stomach while maintaining fat in your ass or thighs is scientifically impossible. Fat-loss from certain areas of the body is largely dependant on ones genetic predisposition. Which means for those not gentically gifted, lots and lots of squats and lunges to work building muscle in those glutes.
 
2010-03-22 11:17:32 PM
ace in your face: URAPNIS: ace in your face: On Americas Next Top Model they have a "plus size" girl. She is like 6 feet tall and wears a size 10. Thats insane. Thats a SLIM girl not even regular girl. I wear a size 10 at 5'4 and people think I am hot and certainly don't consider me plus sized or a fatty. Plus, size 10 isn't a plus size anyway, wtf?

Depends

Um no it doesn't. You clearly don't know anything about sizing.


You sound bitter
And fat
 
2010-03-22 11:18:22 PM
chu2dogg: I could buy that.. in some body types. For others, targeting fat loss to your stomach while maintaining fat in your ass or thighs is scientifically impossible. Fat-loss from certain areas of the body is largely dependant on ones genetic predisposition. Which means for those not gentically gifted, lots and lots of squats and lunges to work building muscle in those glutes.


How does that relate to a firmer dump, exactly?
 
2010-03-22 11:19:50 PM
BolshevikMuppet: Big breasts and wide hips are not nearly the same thing as an antipode-cell-filled stomach. Everything should be based on hip-to-waist ratio.

give me doughnuts: It's "adipose".

"Antipode" means directly opposite.



Oh sweet farking snap.
 
2010-03-22 11:21:20 PM
duhaime.org

How could anyone forget Anna Nicole?
 
2010-03-22 11:21:20 PM
It's not that men like fatties or bags of antlers. Men like smooth and soft. No rolls, no bones sticking out, no lumpy muscles, no cottage cheese thighs. Smoothness and softness. That's all those dudes with photoshop really add to any size model.

And, really, men want a woman who will fark their brains out, at least acts like she's happy to see her man, and avoids personal drama like the farking plague.
 
2010-03-22 11:21:59 PM
chu2dogg:
That's the problem with BBW worship. Sure they post pictures like that, but the average "plus-size" woman is really like this:


I came here to say THIS. There's a big farking difference between a plus size model and a fat chick. Fat chicks are not plus size models. Period.

Give me a woman with curves. I'm not into little boys and bags o' bones.
 
2010-03-22 11:22:49 PM
stiletto_the_wise: The gradual increase in the average weight of Americans has distorted what we normally think of as "healthy weight". The women in that article are obviously QUITE overweight, but since we're so used to seeing 350 pound behemoths around every corner these days, the 180 pound sub-behemoth is probably "average"---which to some people means "fine".

You're oh-so-wrong.

Here's the 1950's most famous sex symbol:
alliedow.files.wordpress.com
and
www.ewriting.pamil-visions.com


Here's what was sexy in the 1940s:
amog.com


Here's what was sexy in the 1910s:
danacarpender.us

Here's Lilian Russell, considered the sexiest woman in the late 1800s:
danacarpender.us
Note she's wearing a corset, too... So she's actually bigger than you see here.

Here's the ideal in the 16th century:
files.myopera.com


And here's a link to another 18th century standard of beauty:
NSFW
(pre-edited to be SFW)

People aren't getting fatter, and the image of beauty has gotten slimmer and slimmer as time has moved forward, mostly because modern technology allows for digital manipulation and because these days, looking emaciated is not as synonymous with disease as it was in the pre-industrial age.
 
2010-03-22 11:23:16 PM
MorePeasPlease: How does that relate to a firmer dump, exactly?

What do you think they're flexing when they twerk?
 
2010-03-22 11:23:31 PM
Your Average Witty Fark User: Give me a woman with curves. I'm not into little boys and bags o' bones... but, on the other hand, any port in a storm.

FTFY?
 
2010-03-22 11:24:05 PM
simply, deal with it.

do a different outfit,
do a different hairdo,
whatever...then let it go.

life is too short.shiat, my niece who looks like a young Katherine Heigl with the flowing locks of Farrah cries when she looks in the mirror.

/methinks, your expectations are unrealistic. Keep it clean and move on.
 
2010-03-22 11:25:38 PM
rogue49: life is too short.shiat, my niece who looks like a young Katherine Heigl with the flowing locks of Farrah cries when she looks in the mirror.

Pics or GTFO.
 
2010-03-22 11:27:27 PM
I can appreciate healthy women of all shapes and sizes. However, morbidly obese ladies (and guys) really need to stop the pity party, and get a move on at least 3 days a week, and put down that soda can.

Also, healthy extends to mental health. Daddy issues are to be worked out with a professional, not my uncompensated time.

/fat
//bitter
 
2010-03-22 11:28:36 PM
ZeroCorpse: stiletto_the_wise: The gradual increase in the average weight of Americans has distorted what we normally think of as "healthy weight". The women in that article are obviously QUITE overweight, but since we're so used to seeing 350 pound behemoths around every corner these days, the 180 pound sub-behemoth is probably "average"---which to some people means "fine".

You're oh-so-wrong.

Here's the 1950's most famous sex symbol:

and



Here's what was sexy in the 1940s:



Here's what was sexy in the 1910s:


Here's Lilian Russell, considered the sexiest woman in the late 1800s:

Note she's wearing a corset, too... So she's actually bigger than you see here.

Here's the ideal in the 16th century:



And here's a link to another 18th century standard of beauty:
NSFW
(pre-edited to be SFW)

People aren't getting fatter, and the image of beauty has gotten slimmer and slimmer as time has moved forward, mostly because modern technology allows for digital manipulation and because these days, looking emaciated is not as synonymous with disease as it was in the pre-industrial age.


There have been a few swings--the Flappers tried to be boyish, but that was fashion--but for the most part, guys don't drive fashion. We just take gals out, and then take it off.
 
2010-03-22 11:32:09 PM
Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.
 
2010-03-22 11:33:10 PM
assembleravenger: I can appreciate healthy women of all shapes and sizes. However, morbidly obese ladies (and guys) really need to stop the pity party, and get a move on at least 3 days a week, and put down that soda can.

Also, healthy extends to mental health. Daddy issues are to be worked out with a professional, not my uncompensated time.

/fat
//bitter


One would think savory would be a better descriptor than bitter.

/bad joke
//sorry
 
2010-03-22 11:35:29 PM
say what you will, but i just watched dancing with the stars tonight and pam anderson was smokin'. she may be all hep b, c, or z, but i would shoot some interferon straight into my peener, wrap my whole person in a hefty cinch-sak and go spelunking in that like she was the mammoth caves and i just got a new headlamp.
 
2010-03-22 11:36:40 PM
I want button up shirts that accommodate boobs. Is that so much to ask?

/C's, not even an odd size
 
2010-03-22 11:37:07 PM
kent_eh: Here comes the science.

Graph of desirability of a female (to most males) VS weight


You mean gay males? Factoring desperation, practice, beer goggles, etc:

i.imgur.com

There will always be a man willing to have sex with any vagina so it should never touch the bottom. The plateau for superbeasts is that alcohol poisoning would probably occur first for the majority of men.

/It's easier to have your woman get fat than lose it.
 
2010-03-22 11:37:36 PM
cauth002: Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.

Why did you feel the need to justify that to a bunch of random guys on the internet?

/the lady doth protest too much, methinks
 
2010-03-22 11:39:03 PM
Thin and in shape looks better than overweight. Period. When you see an overweight person who has lost weight, the first thing you say is "You look great!". How often have you said that to someone who has gained a bunch of weight?
 
2010-03-22 11:40:19 PM
ZeroCorpse: People aren't getting fatter, and the image of beauty has gotten slimmer and slimmer as time has moved forward, mostly because modern technology allows for digital manipulation and because these days, looking emaciated is not as synonymous with disease as it was in the pre-industrial age.

Men haven't changed that much, though. Most of them may not be into actual fatties, but they also usually don't want to be with someone who could be eliminated by one good bout with the flu. As with most things, balance and middle ground are key.

I still think it's all the fake smoothing out and smoothing over that really gets us down, and not the measurements themselves.
 
2010-03-22 11:41:34 PM
Baryogenesis: assembleravenger: I can appreciate healthy women of all shapes and sizes. However, morbidly obese ladies (and guys) really need to stop the pity party, and get a move on at least 3 days a week, and put down that soda can.

Also, healthy extends to mental health. Daddy issues are to be worked out with a professional, not my uncompensated time.

/fat
//bitter

One would think savory would be a better descriptor than bitter.

/bad joke
//sorry


I laughed really long and loud at that. Thank you :)

Sheseala: I want button up shirts that accommodate boobs. Is that so much to ask?

/C's, not even an odd size


Depends. If you're asking for typical buttons, maybe. If you're asking for snap buttons that provide a sophisticated look, and easy access, we can definitely work something out.
 
2010-03-22 11:41:35 PM
hubiestubert: There have been a few swings--the Flappers tried to be boyish, but that was fashion--but for the most part, guys don't drive fashion. We just take gals out, and then take it off.

The thing about the flapper movement is that it was a form of sexual rebellion. Women were doing everything that men didn't want them to do: drinking, smoking, dancing with strange men, swearing, being casual about sex, listening to jazz, and adopting a fashion style that minimized their femininity. In fact, the goal of flapper fashion was to look like a young boy.

The fashion itself was pioneered by Coco Chanel, and in French it was called "garçonne" which means "boy". They purposely flattened their breasts and narrow dresses and discarded their corsets, to minimize their curves. They cut their hair in the pageboy or bob style (traditionally boys' haircuts). Almost everything about it was to emulate thin, androgynous boys.

Sound familiar?

Every gay male designer today takes his cues from Coco Chanel, and why not? She emphasized all the things gay men liked, and threw out all that icky femininity.

Still, for all that, this was one of the sex symbols of that era:
upload.wikimedia.org
Norma Talmadge. She was considered sexy and beautiful... And she certainly wasn't as skinny as the average model today.

So really, the flapper style was the beginning of the gay male influence in women's beauty standards.
 
2010-03-22 11:41:56 PM
dead_dangler: cauth002: Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.

Why did you feel the need to justify that to a bunch of random guys on the internet?

/the lady doth protest too much, methinks


Well, after reading much of the thread, I've noticed that most people tend to think we are so vain that we can barely make it through the day. In reality, the media is what drives the insanity. Most of us just try to look presentable and healthy, and hopefully someone will like us for who we are. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.
 
2010-03-22 11:42:14 PM
Babbs: Thin and in shape looks better than overweight. Period. When you see an overweight person who has lost weight, the first thing you say is "You look great!". How often have you said that to someone who has gained a bunch of weight?

Brittany Murphy, but it was probably just bloat.
 
2010-03-22 11:43:04 PM
Damn... The French got screwed up! I'll have to use standard characters:

"garconne"
 
2010-03-22 11:43:24 PM
Sheseala: I want button up shirts that accommodate boobs. Is that so much to ask?

/C's, not even an odd size


I don't think this is a good idea at all. Although, I may be biased.
 
2010-03-22 11:45:48 PM
give me doughnuts: BolshevikMuppet: Big breasts and wide hips are not nearly the same thing as an antipode-cell-filled stomach. Everything should be based on hip-to-waist ratio. So:


It's "adipose".

"Antipode" means directly opposite.


Ah, damn it. Now I have to go self-emulsify. Err... Self-emulate... Self-escalate.

Screw it. I'm just gonna light myself on fire.

/I know the word is immolate.
 
2010-03-22 11:46:22 PM
ZeroCorpse:
People are getting fatter, but the image of beauty has gotten slimmer and slimmer as time has moved forward


FTFY
 
2010-03-22 11:46:26 PM
cauth002: dead_dangler: cauth002: Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.

Why did you feel the need to justify that to a bunch of random guys on the internet?

/the lady doth protest too much, methinks

Well, after reading much of the thread, I've noticed that most people tend to think we are so vain that we can barely make it through the day. In reality, the media is what drives the insanity. Most of us just try to look presentable and healthy, and hopefully someone will like us for who we are. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.


You can say that because you actually are presentable and healthy.


And you know it.
 
2010-03-22 11:47:43 PM
cauth002: dead_dangler: cauth002: Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.

Why did you feel the need to justify that to a bunch of random guys on the internet?

/the lady doth protest too much, methinks

Well, after reading much of the thread, I've noticed that most people tend to think we are so vain that we can barely make it through the day. In reality, the media is what drives the insanity. Most of us just try to look presentable and healthy, and hopefully someone will like us for who we are. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.


I'd like to suggest that it isn't the 'smart' ones, it's the ones that grew up cute enough (not super model, but not 'awkward stage') all the way through their young adult lives; that they had enough people around them to re-enforce that they're at least semi-accepted. If they have a good family life (two loving and supporting parents), then their chances of having a high-enough self-esteem that the media doesn't impact them as much is even better.
 
2010-03-22 11:48:39 PM
ZeroCorpse: "garconne"


Garcon! Coffee!"
(new window)
 
2010-03-22 11:50:05 PM
MorePeasPlease: Your Average Witty Fark User: Give me a woman with curves. I'm not into little boys and bags o' bones... but, on the other hand, any port in a storm.

FTFY?


Eh, no. I like a woman, not a little girl and certainly not boys or men. To each their own.
 
2010-03-22 11:52:58 PM
ZeroCorpse: stiletto_the_wise: The gradual increase in the average weight of Americans has distorted what we normally think of as "healthy weight". The women in that article are obviously QUITE overweight, but since we're so used to seeing 350 pound behemoths around every corner these days, the 180 pound sub-behemoth is probably "average"---which to some people means "fine".

You're oh-so-wrong.

Here's the 1950's most famous sex symbol:

and



Here's what was sexy in the 1940s:



Here's what was sexy in the 1910s:


Here's Lilian Russell, considered the sexiest woman in the late 1800s:

Note she's wearing a corset, too... So she's actually bigger than you see here.

Here's the ideal in the 16th century:



And here's a link to another 18th century standard of beauty:
NSFW
(pre-edited to be SFW)

People aren't getting fatter, and the image of beauty has gotten slimmer and slimmer as time has moved forward, mostly because modern technology allows for digital manipulation and because these days, looking emaciated is not as synonymous with disease as it was in the pre-industrial age.


I think people tend to reach for the unobtainable (if they are vain). In the old days, being larger meant you could afford to eat and didn't have to work. Light skin was considered beautiful (white face was considered the "window to the soul") because it symbolized that you didn't have to work.

Now, being tan, slim and muscular shows that you have self-discipline, can afford and gym membership, can afford to go to the beach, etc. These trends shift with the times.

However, small waists and large breasts have always been desired (unless you include flapper period which was more of a rebellion than what men actually wanted).
 
2010-03-22 11:53:25 PM
I think we can all agree that women are alot hotter now than back then.
 
2010-03-22 11:54:05 PM
cauth002: If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.

I don't think the obesity epidemic is an example of the lack of pressure to be super thin. It's just easier to eat fast food and lay around the house then it is to eat right and exercise.
 
2010-03-22 11:54:52 PM
Sheseala,

I know what you mean. We can either have a large, roomy button-up shirts that makes us look like we're wearing tents, or clingy tops that aren't exactly fit for the office.

There is nothing in-between. Button up shirts are made for A, and maybe B cups. And that's it. If I knew anything about sewing, I'd make my own shirts.
 
2010-03-22 11:55:07 PM
assembleravenger: cauth002: dead_dangler: cauth002: Us wimins that are smart enough to know what's real and what's not don't really give a shiat what low-IQ inducing magazines say...or what some random guy considers attractive. The end.

Why did you feel the need to justify that to a bunch of random guys on the internet?

/the lady doth protest too much, methinks

Well, after reading much of the thread, I've noticed that most people tend to think we are so vain that we can barely make it through the day. In reality, the media is what drives the insanity. Most of us just try to look presentable and healthy, and hopefully someone will like us for who we are. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.

I'd like to suggest that it isn't the 'smart' ones, it's the ones that grew up cute enough (not super model, but not 'awkward stage') all the way through their young adult lives; that they had enough people around them to re-enforce that they're at least semi-accepted. If they have a good family life (two loving and supporting parents), then their chances of having a high-enough self-esteem that the media doesn't impact them as much is even better.


Agreed. Parenting and positive reinforcement are key. Mommy and daddy issues always seem to contribute to severe vanity problems.
 
2010-03-22 11:58:12 PM
Want:

nattybakes.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-22 11:59:45 PM
Baryogenesis: cauth002: If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be so many farking overweight people. This evidences the fact that most us (although we value looks), care about food and being happy more. If there was an epidemic of skinny people...I'd believe the OH NOES! ANEOREXIC MODELS!! hype.

I don't think the obesity epidemic is an example of the lack of pressure to be super thin. It's just easier to eat fast food and lay around the house then it is to eat right and exercise.


I can't really disagree with your statement. My friend did a study as to why poorer people are more overweight than richer people (sad I know). Anyway, it's cheaper and easier to eat unhealthy. I know body issues is a big problem right now, but I don't really see it as an epidemic...mostly because of what I said earlier. If we had a problem with mal-nutrition, starvation (voluntary) in this country, I'd see it as an epidemic...but it simply isn't. We have many more health problems based on obesity.
 
2010-03-23 12:00:46 AM
Suki: Sheseala,

I know what you mean. We can either have a large, roomy button-up shirts that makes us look like we're wearing tents, or clingy tops that aren't exactly fit for the office.

There is nothing in-between. Button up shirts are made for A, and maybe B cups. And that's it. If I knew anything about sewing, I'd make my own shirts.


Yay stretchy Ts and tailoring.

Making your own shirt is a PITA because of shoulders. It is easy to make your own tank tops and shells for under business jackets, though.
 
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