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(Jalopnik)   "Vortex junctions" are going to replace roundabouts, which are the worst thing to happen to America, ever. Can't we just get a farking stoplight?   (jalopnik.com) divider line 272
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2010-03-22 02:02:02 PM
I always wondered what the hell it is that "urban planners" do, exactly.

I guess I have my answer.
 
2010-03-22 02:08:44 PM
The trouble with roundabouts, especially big ones, is drivers are always jockeying for position along the outside lane since there are always vehicles entering into, in the intersection and attempting to exit along the outer diameter.

No, the trouble with roundabouts is the idiots who stop in the middle of them.
 
2010-03-22 02:14:03 PM
ne2d: The trouble with roundabouts, especially big ones, is drivers are always jockeying for position along the outside lane since there are always vehicles entering into, in the intersection and attempting to exit along the outer diameter.

No, the trouble with roundabouts is the idiots who stop in the middle of them.


This is why I refer to any traffic layout requiring the ability to figure out where you should go an 'idiot funnel'. Because they all end up in the same spot.
 
2010-03-22 02:14:33 PM
I'd say the trouble with roundabouts is that people don't know how to use the bloody things. They work great for low to medium-density traffic flows, provided people know how to use them. Traffic lights are not always the answer (looking at you, Toronto).

Until the density simply becomes too great, the best thing about roundabouts is that people are always moving. You don't get this with traffic lights.
 
2010-03-22 02:23:47 PM
MaxxLarge: I always wondered what the hell it is that "urban planners" do, exactly.

I guess I have my answer.


They're right down the hall from the history department at ECU. They've done great work with the Geography in mapping the watersheds of Eastern NC and trying to make sure residential neighborhoods aren't developed in the worst of the flood plain areas. Not that developers always listen.
 
2010-03-22 02:38:29 PM
GavinTheAlmighty: I'd say the trouble with roundabouts is that people don't know how to use the bloody things

i encounter a roundabout once a year, driving to the shore in NJ, and i always stress over it. americans don't do roundabouts and we don't need them. let the british have them
 
2010-03-22 02:38:58 PM
This new design, called the "Vortex Junction," handles a plethora of intersections

Jefe, what is a plethora?
 
2010-03-22 02:41:09 PM
I just want to say that "vortex junction" is an awesome name. "Roundabout" sounds like something for lazy people.
 
2010-03-22 02:47:09 PM
Look kids...Big Ben...
 
2010-03-22 03:00:22 PM
There are roundabouts in America?
 
2010-03-22 03:07:45 PM
Sybarite: This new design, called the "Vortex Junction," handles a plethora of intersections

Jefe, what is a plethora?


Forgive me, El Guapo.
 
2010-03-22 03:19:31 PM
My area has tons of roundabouts because most of the street network is fairly new. The ones they build on streets that have 60 or 70 km/h speed limits are basically just chicanes, and are quite a lot of fun if the traffic isn't heavy.

They've been pretty common here for quite some time but I still see people who don't know what the hell to do in them.
 
2010-03-22 03:31:45 PM
We have one pretty dense roundabout. With traffic lights. Go figure.
 
2010-03-22 03:36:55 PM
I like traffic lights.

/My name isn't Bamber.
 
2010-03-22 03:50:17 PM
If you can't figure out how to use a roundabout, you shouldn't be driving.

/American
 
2010-03-22 03:55:30 PM
It's too bad my fellow Americans are too stupid to use a roundabout. They're a lot more efficient than stoplights at maintaining traffic flow and fuel economy.
 
2010-03-22 04:25:16 PM
1) That is frickin sweet
2) Roundabouts are sweet, too
 
2010-03-22 04:25:17 PM
ne2d: The trouble with roundabouts, especially big ones, is drivers are always jockeying for position along the outside lane since there are always vehicles entering into, in the intersection and attempting to exit along the outer diameter.

No, the trouble with roundabouts is the idiots who stop in the middle of them.


omg so much this.
 
2010-03-22 05:01:50 PM
Kirk's_Toupee: omg so much this.

I bet if we told people it was like a NASCAR track they'd get it.
 
2010-03-22 05:12:54 PM
coco ebert: There are roundabouts in America?

No, just rotaries and traffic circles.
 
2010-03-22 05:14:50 PM
Where do people park at the Sport Dome?

cache.gawkerassets.com
 
2010-03-22 05:14:57 PM
We have tons of roundabouts in Boston and they work great because we have lots of traffic and everyone knows how to drive correctly. If you don't like driving in Boston it's because you are a bad driver who belongs in Old People, AZ.
 
2010-03-22 05:15:26 PM
albo: GavinTheAlmighty: I'd say the trouble with roundabouts is that people don't know how to use the bloody things

i encounter a roundabout once a year, driving to the shore in NJ, and i always stress over it. americans don't do roundabouts and we don't need them. let the british have them


I'm not disagreeing, but I'm pretty confident the fix isn't "roundabouts with jughandles," which is what the article describes.
 
2010-03-22 05:16:09 PM
I always love when I am traveling and end up in a place with a roundabout, and realize its a roundabout about 30 feet before I hit it at 70mph.
 
2010-03-22 05:16:27 PM
We were promised flying cars.
 
2010-03-22 05:17:07 PM
jehovahs witness protection: Look kids...Big Ben...

+1
 
2010-03-22 05:17:08 PM
I like roundabouts.

Though in winter weather in Michigan, it's a bit of a problem. There's one near one of my college buildings and I watched five people in a row go through it sideways, including a cop.
 
2010-03-22 05:17:14 PM
Looks like Shattrath to me...
 
2010-03-22 05:18:03 PM
HomoHabilis: We were promised flying cars.

and you can see them taking right off the side of the roundabout.
 
2010-03-22 05:18:07 PM
api.ning.com

Hotter than a pettycoat
 
2010-03-22 05:18:36 PM
Vortex junction. That sounds awesome. I"m going to go drive around until I find one.

/takes bong hit
 
2010-03-22 05:18:38 PM
MaxxLarge: I always wondered what the hell it is that "urban planners" do, exactly.

I guess I have my answer.



If the answer was drugs and lots of them you were correct. What the hell is that thing?
 
2010-03-22 05:18:41 PM
1. Hawthorne Circle - romantic name for 50 years.
2. Hawthorne Interchange - unromantic replacement of the 1970s.
3. Hawthorne Vortex - now you're talking.
 
2010-03-22 05:18:51 PM
No, the trouble with roundabouts is the idiots who stop in the middle of them.

You mean, that's not where I pick up my latte?

/I've been behind folks who stop at on-ramps and wonder what they would make of roundabouts
 
2010-03-22 05:19:01 PM
LineNoise
I always love when I am traveling and end up in a place with a roundabout, and realize its a roundabout about 30 feet before I hit it at 70mph.


Some friends of mine in college hit a roundabout going 70 and flew over a couple parked cars before crashing into the rear of a few other parked car and totaling a couple of them and sending my friend to the hospital.

cool crash story bro
 
2010-03-22 05:19:15 PM
Rotaries (roundabouts for non-US and pretentious US types) work very well when they're designed correctly. Very frequently in the US, they're designed by idiots -- too small, wrong place, traffic light IN the rotary, interrupting a major road to allow equal access from low-traffic minor roads, etc. Not to mention drivers who don't know how the rotary works or who has the right-of-way.

This 'Vortex Junction' would be a disaster.

1) It's clearly even MORE prone to scaling errors.

2) It's designed to force all drivers to change lanes within the rotary. Under equivalent traffic flow rates, this is elementarily far worse than having exiting drivers jockeying for position with entering drivers. Making lots of traffic change lanes on a curve with limited visibility and visually identical exits . . . what could go wrong, eh?

Idiocy.

Still, I've in places in the US that commonly have busy all-way-stop intersections with as many as TEN lanes -- which is purely retarded -- and 'unbounded intersections' that have no stop or yield signs but in which traffic is just supposed to be polite.

The especially stupid thing about urban planning is that 75% of the highly-paid 'experts' seem to have no familiarity with what's been tried in other cities, much less what's succeeded and what's failed, much less whether or not those same techniques would succeed or fail in their own city.
 
2010-03-22 05:19:17 PM
Mahatma Kane: Hotter than a pettycoat


Scratched my itch, thanks!
 
2010-03-22 05:19:30 PM
jamesishere: We have tons of roundabouts in Boston and they work great because we have lots of traffic and everyone knows how to drive correctly. If you don't like driving in Boston it's because you are a bad driver who belongs in Old People, AZ.

I'm curious... what does the word "yield" mean in the New Boston Dictionary?
 
2010-03-22 05:19:44 PM
I like to hang the back of the car out in roundabouts but other than that they're pretty much worthless in Maryland.
 
2010-03-22 05:19:52 PM
They put a roundabout near Emory university that consistently has a few bumpers laying around from drunk students crashing into it.
 
2010-03-22 05:20:00 PM
I used to drive through 2 roundabouts every day on my way to work. They were awesome. Before they were installed it was just a clusterfark, especially during rush hour where the SB Vandyke freeway ended (Macomb County, Michigan).
 
2010-03-22 05:20:19 PM
There's a roundabout near where I live in WA. It replaced a stop sign that at rush hour regularly had line-ups up to a mile long (yah, rly! I run on that road so I know exactly where a mile is, and the line-ups got to that point regularly). The problem was that while most traffic is in one direction (commuters) there was just enough traffic at 50 mph in the other directions to make turning difficult. When they announced plans for the roundabout I was pissed. I wanted a stoplight.

Let me tell you, that roundabout is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Traffic moves through way faster than it would ever do with a stoplight. In this environment (rural, relatively high speed, moderately low volume) it is absolutely the perfect solution.

That said, the thing in TFA looks like a monster. I could see a lot of people (myself included, probably) having a lot of trouble navigating through something like that.
 
2010-03-22 05:21:19 PM
I can't wait till a 90 year old lady in a gigantic Buick enters the Vortex.
 
2010-03-22 05:21:19 PM
busy chillin': LineNoise
I always love when I am traveling and end up in a place with a roundabout, and realize its a roundabout about 30 feet before I hit it at 70mph.


Some friends of mine in college hit a roundabout going 70 and flew over a couple parked cars before crashing into the rear of a few other parked car and totaling a couple of them and sending my friend to the hospital.

cool crash story bro


Seriously. I mean, I get how they work, and agree they are good in many places, but when you aren't use to ever seeing one, and all of a sudden one pops up on you, its never fun.
 
2010-03-22 05:21:39 PM
LineNoise: I always love when I am traveling and end up in a place with a roundabout, and realize its a roundabout about 30 feet before I hit it at 70mph.

Because you:
a) are speeding, and
b) can't read signs, and
c) don't look more than 30 feet ahead of your car

/congrats, you just might be a jackass
 
2010-03-22 05:21:52 PM
I'm thinking it would be better to go over the bridges to enter then use the centrifugal force of the vortex to help propel you out. They way they have it is just wrong.
 
2010-03-22 05:21:54 PM
Oblig?:

i579.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-22 05:22:13 PM
There's only one in Fairbanks, that I know of. At the university where the yahoo college kids drive. Fun times.
 
2010-03-22 05:22:37 PM
Muta: Where do people park at the Sport Dome?

Underground.
 
2010-03-22 05:22:58 PM
How is this different than any other twisty configuration of freeways and ramps? It's a circle, but so what? Existing freeway interchanges don't have stoplights either, you know.

And if this "vortex" is meant to replace normal intersections... It sure looks to me like it requires a helluva lot more space than an intersection.
 
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