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(Some Guy)   A speed "trap" is not "entrapment"   (redding.com) divider line 291
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2010-03-21 10:44:51 AM  
For it to be entrapment the cop would have to entice or trick you into speeding and then write you a ticket.

The cop choosing an advantageous point to write tickets is just smart coppering under his current work rules.

Subby, Just because words look alike doesn't mean they have the same meaning. Like the words lead and lead. As in the lead poisoning you will get if you get mouthy with the above mentioned cop. Or lead as in this post was my attempt to lead you to a better understanding of the mistake you made with this thread
 
2010-03-21 11:58:24 AM  
Going green???

Well let's get the silliness out of the way quickly, then.

"I can go 150 and be just as safe on a freeway!"
"Nanny state!"
"Quotas!"
"Speed limits are unconstitutional!"
"It's a plot to make it harder to get around!"
"Speed limits are all about making money from fines!"

If I've missed anything, I'm sure the usual gaggle of "R-words" that invariably clutter up these sorts of threads will be along shortly.

Maybe later, we can do a DUI thread and watch the apologists make the stupid meter explode.
 
2010-03-21 12:05:51 PM  
It might not be entrapment, but it doesn't make it right, either.
 
2010-03-21 12:06:40 PM  
I think I would be a safer driver if I was paying more attention to the traffic rather than looking for a speed limit sign.

That being said, people drive like idiots here in Tennessee.
 
2010-03-21 12:07:05 PM  
Article written by:

hugh4prez.nate-online.com
 
2010-03-21 12:08:09 PM  



Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.


 
2010-03-21 12:10:51 PM  
A good example of entrapment is a practice common in Eastern Tennessee. The police officer will park about 1/3 the way down an incline and clock the vehicles coming down. The limit did not change as the road goes over the top of the mountain, but gravity kicks in. Cop knows vehicles are going to pick up 10-15 mph even when riding the brakes.
 
2010-03-21 12:13:49 PM  
Another Government Employee: A good example of entrapment is a practice common in Eastern Tennessee. The police officer will park about 1/3 the way down an incline and clock the vehicles coming down. The limit did not change as the road goes over the top of the mountain, but gravity kicks in. Cop knows vehicles are going to pick up 10-15 mph even when riding the brakes.

That is not entrapment. The cop is not encouraging the behavior. He may be taking advantage of the situation, but he is not encouraging you to do the illegal activity.
 
2010-03-21 12:13:55 PM  
Another Government Employee: A good example of entrapment physics knowledge in everyday life is a practice common in Eastern Tennessee. The police officer will park about 1/3 the way down an incline and clock the vehicles coming down. The limit did not change as the road goes over the top of the mountain, but gravity kicks in. Cop knows vehicles are going to pick up 10-15 mph even when riding the brakes.

This is NOT entrapment, asshat.
 
2010-03-21 12:14:12 PM  
Another Government Employee: A good example of entrapment is...


No it's not.
 
2010-03-21 12:14:18 PM  
Another Government Employee: vehicles are going to pick up 10-15 mph even when riding the brakes.


Then you're doing it wrong.
 
2010-03-21 12:14:37 PM  
Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Putting it in larger text centered in the screen doesn't make you right.
 
2010-03-21 12:15:02 PM  
COPS SUCK!
 
2010-03-21 12:15:32 PM  
Yeah, green light an issue which was settled in the 70s.

Way to go, mods.
 
2010-03-21 12:16:04 PM  
Phil Herup


Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.


Tell it to the judge.
 
2010-03-21 12:16:11 PM  
Thorak: Putting it in larger text centered in the screen doesn't make you right.



No, but I still am 100% correct.


Do you feel they should be revenue collectors?
 
2010-03-21 12:16:29 PM  
Thorak: Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Putting it in larger text centered in the screen doesn't make you right.


Doesn't make him wrong, either.
 
2010-03-21 12:17:12 PM  
Clete Orris: This is NOT entrapment, asshat.

And just to get this out of the way, a vice cop dressed as a hooker does not have to tell you she's a cop, and her not doing so is NOT entrapment. You're seeking out the services of a hooker all on your own, bucko.
 
2010-03-21 12:17:50 PM  
fernanernie: Tell it to the judge.



To actually be a judge requires a certain authoritarian streak in one's personality.


That is no way to go through life.
 
2010-03-21 12:19:17 PM  
Thorak: You're seeking out the services of a hooker all on your own, bucko.



A victimless crime. You should be allowed to sell your body.


You sound authoritarian.
 
2010-03-21 12:19:39 PM  
Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Then stop voting down tax increases that help budget law enforcement, then they wouldn't have to use creative finances.
 
2010-03-21 12:19:57 PM  
If you don't interact with the cop until AFTER you're caught speeding, then it's not entrapment. If the cop was tailgating you or was in the passenger seat trying to make you go faster, then that is entrapment.

/Donut in, taser out
 
2010-03-21 12:20:35 PM  
imstars.aufeminin.com

/approves
 
2010-03-21 12:20:54 PM  
Well, this thread died about six posts in. Anybody want to go for a drink?
 
2010-03-21 12:21:26 PM  
Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Just curious, what would you suggest as an alternative punishment to a speeding fine? Or should the fines go to charity?
 
2010-03-21 12:21:40 PM  
Phil Herup: No, but I still am 100% correct.

Do you feel they should be revenue collectors?


It'll depend on exactly how far you're taking it.

Should they be establishing a level of fining that is a revenue stream they have to maintain regardless of the law? No. Clearly.

Should they be leveling proper fines against lawbreakers, because money is a simple and relatively convenient method of punishing someone for a minor wrongdoing? Sure.

Usually this issue boils down to complaining that cops have stepped up ticketing because of their quota. The issue here isn't that they've stepped up ticketing, really, it's more that they were being lax about ticketing beforehand.
 
2010-03-21 12:22:40 PM  
A cop waiting behind a hedge next to the freeway is not a speed trap. A cop waiting where the speed limit drops 15 mph on the downward slope of a hill... THAT'S a speed trap.

You're still responsible for following the posted speed limits.
 
2010-03-21 12:23:01 PM  
Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

It's the perfect form of socialism. Take from the undeserving asshats who endanger others because they don't like to play by the rules, and give it to the working public in the form of lowered tax burden.
 
2010-03-21 12:23:02 PM  
Phil Herup:
A victimless crime. You should be allowed to sell your body.

You sound authoritarian.

I actually agree here, and with legalizing marijuana. I was only using that example because it's such a commonly portrayed mistake.
 
2010-03-21 12:23:12 PM  
dennysgod: Then stop voting down tax increases that help budget law enforcement



They are doing fine.


If they are wasting time being revenue enhancers then they really are not needed to fight crime now are they?


Is it not funny when you get hit in the head by logic? Why do you hate America?
 
2010-03-21 12:23:39 PM  
Phil Herup: Thorak: Putting it in larger text centered in the screen doesn't make you right.

No, but I still am 100% correct.

Do you feel they should be revenue collectors?


What alternative do you have to jailing speeders?
 
2010-03-21 12:24:01 PM  
NittLion78: It might not be entrapment, but it doesn't make it right, either.

here's an idea...if you don't like getting a speeding ticket...don't speed. Otherwise just takes your licks if you are going to choose to speed. When I drive on the freeway, I know I speed. If I get pulled over and ticketed for it...that is my fault. No one else's. Get over it.
 
2010-03-21 12:24:01 PM  
When a cop is driving on the road, at or below the speed limit, all traffic around him matches his speed. If the goal was to reduce speed and improve safety, the police would patrol the roads, slowing traffic to a safe speed.

Furthermore, those police would be able to locate motorists who need help due to broken down cars and so on, protecting and serving the public.

Speed traps increase danger, because once they are spotted, many drivers slam on the brakes, then exceed the speed limit again, once they have passed the trap. But they do increase revenue.
 
2010-03-21 12:24:16 PM  
threedingers: Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Just curious, what would you suggest as an alternative punishment to a speeding fine? Or should the fines go to charity?


I suppose suspension of license or jail time. Which seems excessive for doing 65 in a 55...
 
2010-03-21 12:24:23 PM  
1. Put snakes on plane: Take from the undeserving asshats who endanger others because they don't like to play by the rules



What rules?


The artificially low speed limits? Those rules?
 
2010-03-21 12:25:33 PM  
Elfich: What alternative do you have to jailing speeders?



Make the limits higher and realistic and then the cops can be real cops.
 
2010-03-21 12:26:06 PM  
srhp29: NittLion78: It might not be entrapment, but it doesn't make it right, either.

here's an idea...if you don't like getting a speeding ticket...don't speed. Otherwise just takes your licks if you are going to choose to speed. When I drive on the freeway, I know I speed. If I get pulled over and ticketed for it...that is my fault. No one else's. Get over it.


I agree here, but with one caveat... it is easier to get out of a ticket when you have tits and tears, or a badge.

/has a badge
 
2010-03-21 12:26:07 PM  
Oh for farking ....

farkin_Gary: Yeah, green light an issue which was settled in the 70s.

Way to go, mods.


THIS

/christ - 99.9% of the law enforcement out there gives you/me/everyone a 10mph buffer, anyhow
//it's not that farking difficult
///myself? busted at least 8 times for exceeding posted speed limit... manned up and paid my fine, every time
//farking whiney biatches
/waaah! why do rights have to have responsibilities attached to them?? waah!
 
2010-03-21 12:26:12 PM  
Phil Herup: dennysgod: Then stop voting down tax increases that help budget law enforcement

They are doing fine.

If they are wasting time being revenue enhancers then they really are not needed to fight crime now are they?

Is it not funny when you get hit in the head by logic? Why do you hate America?


If they're ticketing speeders and the like, they're doing their job. Unless you seriously think that imprisonment and/or execution should be the punishment for every infringement of the law.
 
2010-03-21 12:26:52 PM  
No pictures of what's her name doing various sexually suggestive maneuvers to get under/over laser beams yet.. and clever comments of "What entrapment may look like" yet?
 
2010-03-21 12:27:36 PM  
FTFA--Monty Hight is a retired CHP officer. He can be reached at...

How convenient.
 
2010-03-21 12:27:39 PM  
threedingers: Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Just curious, what would you suggest as an alternative punishment to a speeding fine? Or should the fines go to charity?


Burn the money.
 
2010-03-21 12:27:49 PM  
Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

fundamentally wrong?

since when does that matter?

you're not from Chicago are you?
 
2010-03-21 12:28:18 PM  
Serious Black: Well, this thread died about six posts in. Anybody want to go for a drink?

That's entrapment
 
2010-03-21 12:28:38 PM  
Thorak: If they're ticketing speeders and the like, they're doing their job.



If the law is designed as to be a source of revenue then the the law is wrong.


Not surprised you miss it.


You sound like a statist. Do you love gov't power?
 
2010-03-21 12:28:49 PM  
Phil Herup: Make the limits higher and realistic and then the cops can be real cops.

Think about your average driver. Now, recognize that half the drivers are even worse than they are.

THAT is why the limits are artificially low. Because most drivers are frigging morons. If they put in a system whereby 60% of people could no longer pass the driving test due to its difficulty, THEN we could bump speed limits up.
 
2010-03-21 12:28:51 PM  
Thorak: Phil Herup: Using law enforcement to collect revenue is morally and fundamentally wrong.

Putting it in larger text centered in the screen doesn't make you right.


But he IS right.
 
2010-03-21 12:29:14 PM  
Phil Herup: Elfich: What alternative do you have to jailing speeders?



Make the limits higher and realistic and then the cops can be real cops.


No matter what speed limit you set, people are going to speed. How do you plan on enforcing the speed limit?
 
2010-03-21 12:30:00 PM  
Phil Herup: You sound like a statist. Do you love gov't power?

You sound like you need to figure out which little box you can stick me in to establish your reason for hating me.
 
2010-03-21 12:30:50 PM  
I've always questioned those cop shows that have a female officer propositioning men for sex, then, when they get back to the hotel room, the guy is busted for getting a prostitute. Seems pretty clear that this would be entrapment, but I'm told by law friends this isn't the case.
 
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