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The English Major		2010-03-21 01:00:48 PM

OPEN THE FLOODGATES

Tatsuma		2010-03-21 01:01:00 PM

Put on your retard-repellent helmets, we're about to go live, people

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:01:20 PM

I was just reading James Fallows, who reports that apparently the next thing the House is going to take up after this is immigration reform.

That should be fun for the teabaggers.

Racht		2010-03-21 01:01:48 PM

DamnYankees:
I thought that was the count without Stupak.

Latest count I have is 214 without the Stupak bloc, which was 8 votes.

And the vote a few days ago on allowing "deem and pass" passed with 222 votes, which I figured then was the possible universe of obtainable votes. Getting Stupak allows Pelosi to free up a few vulnerable people, so it might end up a few less than that.

lysdexic		2010-03-21 01:02:22 PM

The circus is about to start! One minute speeches!

Weaver95		2010-03-21 01:02:25 PM

Realpolitik420		2010-03-21 01:02:47 PM

Two questions:

(1) Is this vote going forward no matter whether or not the Dems actually believe they have the 216?

(2) If yes, what happens if they fall short in the vote?

The English Major		2010-03-21 01:02:49 PM

lysdexic: The circus is about to start! One minute speeches!

It's gonna be like the Miss America Pageant, only with more like and such as!

stargazer101		2010-03-21 01:02:50 PM

Whenever I hear that sound (CSPAN dingy bell), I think someone is playing horseshoes

Weaver95		2010-03-21 01:03:03 PM

lysdexic: The circus is about to start! One minute speeches!

I prefer the Two Minutes Hate, but i'm old skool.

Doctor Funkenstein		2010-03-21 01:03:21 PM

Woot. We're live. Let's do this shiat!

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mrshowrules		2010-03-21 01:03:24 PM

Tatsuma: Put on your retard-repellent helmets, we're about to go live, people

Darn, I wanted to post before the liters.

lerry		2010-03-21 01:03:27 PM

Above this line-sane discussion
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Below this line-wharrgarbl

Lost Thought 00		2010-03-21 01:03:30 PM

I prefer Gingrich's take (new window) on this whole thing. Very classy, and in no way shape or form indicative of entrenched Republican Racism

Hender		2010-03-21 01:03:47 PM

DamnYankees: I was just reading James Fallows, who reports that apparently the next thing the House is going to take up after this is immigration reform.

That should be fun for the teabaggers.

Fun for everyone. On the other hand, the "framework" is being worked out by Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham, so it's bipartisan out of the gate. Poor Lindsey Graham. He's about to be ostracized even more than he already is.

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:04:13 PM

Ugh. House Chaplain.

Racht		2010-03-21 01:04:16 PM

Realpolitik420:
(1) Is this vote going forward no matter whether or not the Dems actually believe they have the 216?

Highly doubtful. If the vote goes forward as scheduled, it means they have the votes. If they don't have the votes, they'll delay the vote.

(2) If yes, what happens if they fall short in the vote?

Utter chaos.

Weaver95		2010-03-21 01:04:27 PM

Realpolitik420:
(2) If yes, what happens if they fall short in the vote?

you don't call for a vote until/unless you believe you have the votes in hand. the only thing the Democrats aren't sure of is just how wide a margin of successs they'll have when the dust settles.

SchlingFocker		2010-03-21 01:04:35 PM

To the Esteemed Junior Farkers from Litervania:

Keep your mouths shut and let the grown-ups do the talking.

BuckTurgidson		2010-03-21 01:04:49 PM

"Now we're there," said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. "We're about 24 hours from Armageddon.

*eyeroll*

What an unbelievable. histrionic drama queen.

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:04:58 PM

Racht: Highly doubtful. If the vote goes forward as scheduled, it means they have the votes. If they don't have the votes, they'll delay the vote.

I remember reading that Pelosi has never lost a vote since she's become Speaker. I highly doubt that will happen here.

make me some tea		2010-03-21 01:05:08 PM

Weaver95: yeah, but that wasn't the primary plan. of course, they never wanted this vote to take place at all either, so obviously the primary plan failed.

i'm just making the point that there are many ways to still kill health care reform and still make it look like things have changed for the better.

Well, they are playing their hand. They tried to block reform at first, but when they realized the public was pushing hard for it and blockage was a lost cause, they changed strategies and got into the process in order to influence it. Very smart move on their part, I might add.

Racht		2010-03-21 01:05:18 PM

Hender:
Fun for everyone. On the other hand, the "framework" is being worked out by Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham, so it's bipartisan out of the gate. Poor Lindsey Graham. He's about to be ostracized even more than he already is.

Yeah, I'm in SC, and he gets commercials run against him for not being sufficiently conservative. And he just won reelection last year (over a Ron Paul Democrat - our politics are weird) so he's not up til 2014.

lysdexic		2010-03-21 01:05:22 PM

Weaver95
2010-03-21 01:03:03 PM

lysdexic: The circus is about to start! One minute speeches!

I prefer the Two Minutes Hate, but i'm old skool.

Short attention span theatre.

Hender		2010-03-21 01:05:27 PM

SchlingFocker: To the Esteemed Junior Farkers from Litervania:

Keep your mouths shut and let the grown-ups do the talking.

Hey now, we were all liters once upon a time. I was a liter yesterday when I accidentally let my TF sub run out.

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:05:35 PM

Haha. Who the hell is this dude with a bowtie. That's a bold choice.

mrshowrules		2010-03-21 01:05:37 PM

Realpolitik420: Two questions:

(1) Is this vote going forward no matter whether or not the Dems actually believe they have the 216?

(2) If yes, what happens if they fall short in the vote?

1) Apparently it is not Pelosi's style to go ahead unless she is sure

2) I'm guessing health care reform is killed until November but in theory Dems could try again as many times as they want

Blathering Idjut		2010-03-21 01:05:58 PM

SchlingFocker: To the Esteemed Junior Farkers from Litervania:

Keep your mouths shut and let the grown-ups do the talking.

Shut up SchlngFocker, you cock.

lysdexic		2010-03-21 01:05:59 PM

B-but, I thought we were a muslin country now? What's this Xtian doing there?

Sir Roderick Glossop		2010-03-21 01:06:01 PM

coco ebert: Oh, great. Right when I need to be working on a thesis chapter.

So very this.

Lt. Cheese Weasel		2010-03-21 01:06:14 PM

meh.

Weaver95		2010-03-21 01:06:17 PM

make me some tea: Well, they are playing their hand. They tried to block reform at first, but when they realized the public was pushing hard for it and blockage was a lost cause, they changed strategies and got into the process in order to influence it. Very smart move on their part, I might add.

So far, everything Dad said two years ago is how things have gone down.

lysdexic		2010-03-21 01:06:37 PM

Ok, I think the chaplain is high.

Necrosis		2010-03-21 01:06:41 PM

I hope this passes (even if it weak and lacks a public option) but I'm honestly worried about violence from the right if it does. The Republicans and their far-right media allies have used such apocalyptic and violent rhetoric in their opposition that some people are going to fall for it and hurt somebody...

:(

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:06:42 PM

Please tell me some crazy GOPer is going to speak. A Bachmann or a Gohmert or a Broun.

Racht		2010-03-21 01:06:48 PM

DamnYankees:
I remember reading that Pelosi has never lost a vote since she's become Speaker. I highly doubt that will happen here.

The only piece of notable legislation I can recall that failed a vote under Pelosi was TARP, which was a highly unusual situation and one that roughly half of both parties refused to vote for.

I've been telling people for ages she's an extremely good speaker. I think it's finally starting to dawn on people.

stargazer101		2010-03-21 01:06:53 PM

"One minute speeches" yea right

lerry		2010-03-21 01:07:02 PM

And the speeches start. Now to change the channel cause both sides are bad.

SchlingFocker		2010-03-21 01:07:11 PM

Hender: Hey now, we were all liters once upon a time. I was a liter yesterday when I accidentally let my TF sub run out.

An oversight you quickly remedied :)

MindStalker		2010-03-21 01:07:31 PM

Did he just request an official vote for accepting the last meeting journal. That's umm.. awesome.?

Racht		2010-03-21 01:07:34 PM

DamnYankees: Please tell me some crazy GOPer is going to speak. A Bachmann or a Gohmert or a Broun.

Oh there will be a great number of hysterical Republican speeches today, I have no doubt.

mrshowrules		2010-03-21 01:07:35 PM

Does anyone know if Gary PDX is watching this from his bunker?

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:07:49 PM

Racht: I've been telling people for ages she's an extremely good speaker. I think it's finally starting to dawn on people.

She's a fantastic speaker. I came to realize quite a while ago that the opposition to her is mostly just sexism. I know its rather hackneyed to say that, but it's basically true in her case.

MiddleyMcCentrist		2010-03-21 01:07:49 PM

Can't wait to hear the GOP rebuttals.

"We... ah... WHARGARBL"

retarded		2010-03-21 01:08:01 PM

Just popped in to recommend Fox news for coverage on this. Their heads are exploding. It's awesome.

I yield my time to the rest of you farkers.

UNC_Samurai		2010-03-21 01:08:09 PM

"Death of Freedom" DRINK!

Hender		2010-03-21 01:08:16 PM

Racht: Hender:
Fun for everyone. On the other hand, the "framework" is being worked out by Chuck Schumer and Lindsey Graham, so it's bipartisan out of the gate. Poor Lindsey Graham. He's about to be ostracized even more than he already is.

Yeah, I'm in SC, and he gets commercials run against him for not being sufficiently conservative. And he just won reelection last year (over a Ron Paul Democrat - our politics are weird) so he's not up til 2014.

I've never particularly liked him, but it wasn't until I watched him in the Sotomayor confirmation hearings that I began to respect him a little. He ended up voting against her confirmation, but he gave her a fair shake and didn't look like a buffoon in the process. Aside from that, he's been working with Dems on some key issues like cap and trade, immigration, etc. That's how the system is supposed to work.

He was on Meet the Press a few weeks ago with Evan Bayh. Good show.

DamnYankees		2010-03-21 01:08:33 PM

Racht: DamnYankees: Please tell me some crazy GOPer is going to speak. A Bachmann or a Gohmert or a Broun.

Oh there will be a great number of hysterical Republican speeches today, I have no doubt.

Did you see the quote from Bachmann about how the Dems are violting God by holding this vote on the Sabbath? That was good stuff.