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2010-03-21 12:38:47 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The English Major: Come back in five minutes after it hits. I'm sure the comments will explode.

Anybody want to do the over/under on this? I'm saying 200 comments between 1:00 and 1:05.


150.
 
2010-03-21 12:38:51 PM  
DamnYankees: Vote is at 9 PM? Well I guess it doesn't ruin the whole day then.

I'm wondering if the Republicans will resort to mass beatings in the hallways to stop the vote.
 
2010-03-21 12:39:47 PM  
Tatsuma: DamnYankees: Right now I'm going with Parks and Recreation. Best comedy on TV.

If it has your seal of approval, I'll give it a shot, then


Be warned, by the way. The first season is pretty terrible. It's only 6 episodes, but its starts off horribly.

2nd season (this year) is pheeeenomenal. So be patient.
 
2010-03-21 12:40:03 PM  
DamnYankees: Vote is at 9 PM? Well I guess it doesn't ruin the whole day then.

That's the final vote. The important one is the vote on the Senate package, which is apparently the 2nd of four votes during the day and is predicted for 5 pm. If that passes, the other ones certainly will.
 
2010-03-21 12:41:18 PM  
Racht: DamnYankees: Vote is at 9 PM? Well I guess it doesn't ruin the whole day then.

That's the final vote. The important one is the vote on the Senate package, which is apparently the 2nd of four votes during the day and is predicted for 5 pm. If that passes, the other ones certainly will.


Oh, well boo. That means I gotta be home all freaking afternoon. Guess it's back to playing Europa Universalis 3! Stupid Golden Horde.
 
2010-03-21 12:42:23 PM  
Racht:
That's the final vote. The important one is the vote on the Senate package, which is apparently the 2nd of four votes during the day and is predicted for 5 pm. If that passes, the other ones certainly will.


If it passes, even odds on Limbaugh showing up for work tomorrow. he might just go on a drug bender down in the dominican republic for a week.
 
2010-03-21 12:42:33 PM  
Shrew2u: Typically, "independent contractor" is associated with a bootstrappy journeyman type who commands a decent wage. Not someone who - at the apex of earnings - could barely eat and pay rent. That sounds like a boss who should've gotten into some hot water with the IRS for treating employees like ICs.

It was a small 5-person software company, and I was young and naive and didn't realize what my skills were worth at the time, so yeah. They closed down a long time ago anyway, so it doesn't matter. The boss' brother-in-law did my taxes for free, so there's that.

I'm getting paid what I'm worth these days, with full bennies.
 
2010-03-21 12:44:32 PM  
So if the votes pass today, is health care a done deal? Or is there another vote that needs to happen?
 
2010-03-21 12:44:41 PM  
DamnYankees: Be warned, by the way. The first season is pretty terrible. It's only 6 episodes, but its starts off horribly.

2nd season (this year) is pheeeenomenal. So be patient.


Ok, guess I was right to avoid the first season like the plague then. I'll power through it the way I did with the Office (US).

/Be warned, Human Target is awesome right off the bat. It really is. It's really farking fun. Oh, and it has a full orchestra playing the music each week from the guy who did the music on BSG, and so far about half a dozen BSG actors have played parts or cameos in it. And that's just the BSG actors. Seriously, five minutes in and you'll be sold. It's better than 24 has been since the end of Season 5 by far. Give it a shot.
 
2010-03-21 12:45:40 PM  
peridinos: So if the votes pass today, is health care a done deal? Or is there another vote that needs to happen?

I don't think it'll ever be a done deal. Lots more to do here, this is more of a baby step in my mind.
 
2010-03-21 12:46:18 PM  
peridinos: So if the votes pass today, is health care a done deal? Or is there another vote that needs to happen?

The Senate bill will have been passed by both houses and will be signed into law if it passes today. There's still another set of Senate votes that has to be done on the reconciliation fix, but even if that fails health care reform will still be law, just slightly different than planned. So this is the important one.
 
2010-03-21 12:46:35 PM  
Weaver95: Racht:
That's the final vote. The important one is the vote on the Senate package, which is apparently the 2nd of four votes during the day and is predicted for 5 pm. If that passes, the other ones certainly will.

If it passes, even odds on Limbaugh showing up for work tomorrow. he might just go on a drug bender down in the dominican republic for a week.


Boehner's already making noise about repealing the bill "when" the Republicans take control of Congress later this year, which tells me A) Republicans will have something to continue to get worked up about after today, and B) John Boehner doesn't really understand how the legislative process works, what with the President needing to sign stuff and all.
 
2010-03-21 12:46:43 PM  
Weaver95: DamnYankees: Vote is at 9 PM? Well I guess it doesn't ruin the whole day then.

I'm wondering if the Republicans will resort to mass beatings in the hallways to stop the vote.


They are planning a suicide mission. Unfortunately for them, they never saw "The Life of Brian" and failed to note the irony of their doomed plan.
 
2010-03-21 12:46:53 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Racht: DamnYankees: Is there anything actually worth watching right now? I mean...what is there to look at?

Nope. The House isn't even in session until 1 pm, and then it will be hours of speeches with nothing but the usual talking points. All the news is being made behind the scenes right now.

Then why the fark are we sitting around doing this?

.

I'm watching Syracuse/Gonzaga right now.


I'm grading papers, so. . .

.
 
2010-03-21 12:47:18 PM  
peridinos: So if the votes pass today, is health care a done deal? Or is there another vote that needs to happen?

it's a very large first step, but it's not a 'done deal' even if it passes today.

the real danger will be the insurance companies. if the vote passes today, they'll switch from opposing the inevitable to positioning themselves to write the 'reform' law/regulations.
 
2010-03-21 12:47:48 PM  
peridinos: So if the votes pass today, is health care a done deal? Or is there another vote that needs to happen?

There are votes that are about tinkering with it.

.
 
2010-03-21 12:48:55 PM  
This is, of course, subject to change. But as of now, here's today's schedule for health care reform in the House.

House convenes at 1:00 PM.

1:00 - 1:15 PM - One minute speeches

1:15 - 2:15 PM - VOTES - pending suspensions

2:15 - 2:45 PM - Debate Unfunded Mandate Point of Order

2:45 - 3:00 PM - VOTES - Point of Order

3:00 - 3:30 PM - Possible debate Earmarks Point of Order

3:30 - 3:45 PM - VOTES - Point of Order

3:45 - 5:00 PM - Debate rule providing for consideration of Motion to Concur in the Senate Amendments to H.R. 3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and H.R. 4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010

5:00 - 6:00 PM - VOTES - Previous Question and Rule

6:00 - 8:00 PM - Debate H.R. 3590/H.R. 4872

8:00 - 8:30 PM - VOTES - Motion to Concur in the Senate Amendments to H.R. 3590

8:30 - 8:45 PM - Debate Motion to Recommit on H.R. 4872

8:45 - 9:30 PM - LAST VOTES - Motion to Recommit and Final Passage of H.R. 4872

I was incorrect - the 8 pm vote is the crucial one.
 
2010-03-21 12:51:34 PM  
Tatsuma: DamnYankees: Be warned, by the way. The first season is pretty terrible. It's only 6 episodes, but its starts off horribly.

2nd season (this year) is pheeeenomenal. So be patient.

Ok, guess I was right to avoid the first season like the plague then. I'll power through it the way I did with the Office (US).

/Be warned, Human Target is awesome right off the bat. It really is. It's really farking fun. Oh, and it has a full orchestra playing the music each week from the guy who did the music on BSG, and so far about half a dozen BSG actors have played parts or cameos in it. And that's just the BSG actors. Seriously, five minutes in and you'll be sold. It's better than 24 has been since the end of Season 5 by far. Give it a shot.


Don't forget The Pacific is going on right now. I just watched the first episode.

The way its going so far, it may actually be better than Band of Brothers.
 
2010-03-21 12:52:11 PM  
Oh, fark the anal-ists. I'm watching/listening to c-span, taking calls from the muddles hasses.
 
2010-03-21 12:52:57 PM  
Hender: Weaver95: Racht:
That's the final vote. The important one is the vote on the Senate package, which is apparently the 2nd of four votes during the day and is predicted for 5 pm. If that passes, the other ones certainly will.

If it passes, even odds on Limbaugh showing up for work tomorrow. he might just go on a drug bender down in the dominican republic for a week.

Boehner's already making noise about repealing the bill "when" the Republicans take control of Congress later this year, which tells me A) Republicans will have something to continue to get worked up about after today, and B) John Boehner doesn't really understand how the legislative process works, what with the President needing to sign stuff and all.


I assure you that Boehner knows full well how the legislative process works, but he's pandering to his constituents who apparently don't, since they eat up that bullshiat up whenever he says it.
 
2010-03-21 12:52:57 PM  
SilentStrider: Don't forget The Pacific is going on right now. I just watched the first episode.

The way its going so far, it may actually be better than Band of Brothers.


I was actually a little disappointed with the first episode. It seems to lack narrative cohesion; it was three different stories told in succession, and I really don't like the little documentary pre-ambles.

My hopes are still incredibly high, but episode 1 of BoB was better than episode 1 of The Pacific.
 
2010-03-21 12:53:23 PM  
Alright, I'm putting another pot of coffee on. This is gonna be great!
 
2010-03-21 12:53:53 PM  
DamnYankees: Shrew2u: Over 50% of this nation's inhabitants are already covered by government-run or government-financed health care (Tri-Care, VA, Medicare, Medicaid, federal employees, etc.). That fact seems to have escaped the notice of anyone referencing a "government takeover".

Actually, pretty much everyone is covered by government financed health care. The government subsidizes all employee-provided health care to the tune of $250B per year.


True. But once one admits that government pays most/all of the tab, it moves the debate to considering the efficiency of the current system. After all, if the government is paying most of the tab, and it's paying that tab with tax revenue, shouldn't we as taxpayers want that money spent in as cost-efficient manner as possible? And doesn't THAT mean looking honestly at a single-payer, universal health care system?

That's a scary debate trajectory for a tea bagger...
 
2010-03-21 12:54:00 PM  
muddled
 
2010-03-21 12:54:50 PM  
OK. now's when I get my popcorn out.
 
2010-03-21 12:54:55 PM  
lysdexic: Oh, fark the anal-ists. I'm watching/listening to c-span, taking calls from the muddles hasses.

I took your advice and switched over, and the caller was like "health care isn't a right, it's a privilege, people have been dying for years and they're going to keep dying". I facepalmed. Then he said he and his wife don't have health care. I double facepalmed. The exact people we're trying to help are the ones raging about socialism. We have to drag them kicking and screaming into a better society.
 
2010-03-21 12:55:29 PM  
DamnYankees: My hopes are still incredibly high, but episode 1 of BoB was better than episode 1 of The Pacific.

Well it is structured differently, sure. but I think its heading in a great direction.
 
2010-03-21 12:55:33 PM  
My nephew wrote from his boss' office last night:

I dealt with these people all day. I heard a story from another
chief that they locked their doors and one of their interns got video
of someone sliding a knife through the mail slot. And this is in
addition to the language that we've gotten over the phones. Excuse
me for the vulgar language but these are direct quotes:

to me: "You're nothing but a stupid lying cum stain"
to our 23 year old staff assistant: "You farking biatch coont."
to our 19 year old intern: "You lying arrogant whore."

So these people are really adding to the rhetoric in this country.
 
2010-03-21 12:55:45 PM  
Drinks. Check.
Snacks. Check.
Just about time to fire up CSPAN.
 
2010-03-21 12:56:02 PM  
Weaver95: the real danger will be the insurance companies. if the vote passes today, they'll switch from opposing the inevitable to positioning themselves to write the 'reform' law/regulations.

Are you kidding? They already have been involved in this for many months. Why do you think the public option was shiatcanned?
 
2010-03-21 12:56:03 PM  
Breaking - Stupak is a YES vote.

It's a done deal.
 
2010-03-21 12:56:08 PM  
Racht: We have to drag them kicking and screaming into a better society.

Can't we drag them kicking and screaming to the death panel?
 
2010-03-21 12:56:16 PM  
Tatsuma: Has someone on Fox actually posited out loud that Obama might be a Marxist sleeper cell agent a la Manchurian Candidate, who is using the situation by first passing the Stimulus Bill and now the Healthcare bill in order to create a complete collapse of the American Economy in order to hasten an inevitable class war that would result in the establishment of a proletariat Communist dictatorship as predicted by Marx in Das Capital?

Cool Story, bro moment: A guy who is a father of a real good friend, a former pub trivia team member, and a borderline Teabagger told me during the election he was convinced John McCain was the Manchurian Candidate.
 
2010-03-21 12:56:38 PM  
Racht: Breaking - Stupak is a YES vote.

It's a done deal.


Wait - really? Barty Bart hisself? Does he bring all his 8 or so folks with him?
 
2010-03-21 12:56:42 PM  
The English Major: Alright, I'm putting another pot of coffee on. This is gonna be great!

I'm getting kinda skeeved out on the caffeine. I think I need to switch back to water soon.
 
2010-03-21 12:56:56 PM  
Racht: The exact people we're trying to help are the ones raging about socialism. We have to drag them kicking and screaming into a better society.

Has it occured to you that the best way to solve our health care crisis would be for large numbers of the baby boomer generation to suffer a massive and sudden die off?
 
2010-03-21 12:57:05 PM  
make me some tea: I assure you that Boehner knows full well how the legislative process works, but he's pandering to his constituents who apparently don't, since they eat up that bullshiat up whenever he says it.

I just sayin', it's a pretty stupid thing to say by the man who is positioning himself to be the next Speaker of the House.
 
2010-03-21 12:57:19 PM  
Racht: We have to drag them kicking and screaming into a better society.1>

what else is new?
 
2010-03-21 12:57:27 PM  
DamnYankees:
Wait - really? Barty Bart hisself? Does he bring all his 8 or so folks with him?


No word, but I would imagine he controls the way his bloc votes. If he's got what he wants (I assume an executive order saying there's no federal funding of abortions in the exchanges), surely his bloc will come along.
 
2010-03-21 12:58:03 PM  
Weaver95:
Has it occured to you that the best way to solve our health care crisis would be for large numbers of the baby boomer generation to suffer a massive and sudden die off?


Every single day.
 
2010-03-21 12:58:03 PM  
Racht: No word, but I would imagine he controls the way his bloc votes. If he's got what he wants (I assume an executive order saying there's no federal funding of abortions in the exchanges), surely his bloc will come along.

That would put the votes count north of 225, right? I haven't been keeping up very closely as to who is a yes or no.
 
2010-03-21 12:58:29 PM  
Weaver95: Racht: The exact people we're trying to help are the ones raging about socialism. We have to drag them kicking and screaming into a better society.

Has it occured to you that the best way to solve our health care crisis would be for large numbers of the baby boomer generation to suffer a massive and sudden die off?


Health care, social security AND Congressional turnover. It would solve a lot of problems. But from a realistic standpoint, it's not something I would ever root for.
 
2010-03-21 12:59:00 PM  
Racht: Weaver95:
Has it occured to you that the best way to solve our health care crisis would be for large numbers of the baby boomer generation to suffer a massive and sudden die off?

Every single day.


Eh, I don't even like to say that in jest. Remember the point of doing this kind of legislation is to improve the quality of life of people. Wishing people to die off is sort of counter-productive.
 
2010-03-21 12:59:06 PM  
SilentStrider: Don't forget The Pacific is going on right now. I just watched the first episode.

The way its going so far, it may actually be better than Band of Brothers.


Holy shiat. I hadn't watched the premiere yet. I might actually wait for the whole series to be done and just binge on it.

There's a lot of great stuff going on right now. Justified is going to be awesome. Oh, uh, and....farking Breaking Bad season 3 tonight, you meth head farks!
 
2010-03-21 12:59:07 PM  
DamnYankees:
That would put the votes count north of 225, right? I haven't been keeping up very closely as to who is a yes or no.


222, I believe.
 
2010-03-21 12:59:08 PM  
make me some tea: Weaver95: the real danger will be the insurance companies. if the vote passes today, they'll switch from opposing the inevitable to positioning themselves to write the 'reform' law/regulations.

Are you kidding? They already have been involved in this for many months. Why do you think the public option was shiatcanned?


yeah, but that wasn't the primary plan. of course, they never wanted this vote to take place at all either, so obviously the primary plan failed.

i'm just making the point that there are many ways to still kill health care reform and still make it look like things have changed for the better.
 
2010-03-21 12:59:48 PM  
Racht: DamnYankees:
That would put the votes count north of 225, right? I haven't been keeping up very closely as to who is a yes or no.

222, I believe.


I thought that was the count without Stupak.
 
2010-03-21 01:00:04 PM  
make me some tea: The English Major: Alright, I'm putting another pot of coffee on. This is gonna be great!

I'm getting kinda skeeved out on the caffeine. I think I need to switch back to water soon.


I drink half-caf in the afternoon while I'm at work. Now, though, I'm making cinnamon pecan.
 
2010-03-21 01:00:33 PM  
DamnYankees: Racht: Weaver95:
Has it occured to you that the best way to solve our health care crisis would be for large numbers of the baby boomer generation to suffer a massive and sudden die off?

Every single day.

Eh, I don't even like to say that in jest. Remember the point of doing this kind of legislation is to improve the quality of life of people. Wishing people to die off is sort of counter-productive.


Oh I don't know about that. A mass die off would solve so many of our problems....

*sigh*

sadly, genocide as social policy is frowned on these days.
 
2010-03-21 01:00:45 PM  
Green. Here we go!
 
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