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2003-04-28 04:33:51 PM  
She was born there, lived all over the U.S., and settled down to Miami, which happens to be the armpit of Florida. I was trying to say that she is also a "Texan at heart."

Oh, well...
2003-04-28 04:34:30 PM  
...and not for retirement!
2003-04-28 04:34:35 PM  
Dancing: I'm in the area, but didn't look into the site that long. But that guy has received a ton of post humous praise. He really was a good guy--for a plaintiff's atty that focuses on asbestos litigation.

Heyzeus: Really, there are so many more areas of law in this town that are bigger than the three you listr it's crazy. Enron killed V&E, they're pretty much forcing attys out, especially the higher poaid people that used to do Anderson work. Oil and Gas (energy, too) is a huge area. Toxic torts are enormous right now, and many small to medium sized firms are doing nothing but toxic tort work right now. Graduate, then take a look at the jobs out there.

S. Texas student?
2003-04-28 04:38:34 PM  
Bocephus: Med mal carriers are making up for years of writing discount policies for idiot doctors. Now, when verdicts are huge, they're haveing to make up for it with higher premiums. Yes, the threat of suits is a perceived problem, but the real problem is their past actions. Then, a major discount carrier got out of the market (can't remember the name right now...) and everyone else now has the luxury of charging whatever the hell they want.

Wazzup: She's better off in Miami--trust me. Just keep her away from South Beach. That, or get her a copy of the Beastie Boys Anthology with the live version of Boomin Granny.
2003-04-28 04:39:43 PM  
True, there will always be huge demand for criminal law, but I want neither the moral dilemmas nor the appalling pay coontil you become a big shot defense attorney for celebrity DUIs/double homicides).

Environmental law is particularly relevant in a place like Houston, where most firm clients are petro industry related. The regulatory beast that is US enviro statutory law, and the fact that criminal sanctions can be brought against noncompliant companies, guarantees demand for envi lawyers, both in house and in firm. But my interests are more policy/regulatory. I'll be working in the litigation div. of TCEQ this summer.

IP law is also very interesting, but firms won't even look at you unless you have a science background. I worked in IT, but majored in english. Ah well.
2003-04-28 04:44:18 PM  

I'm at UH, the only school brilliant enough to have a completely underground library (think: tropical storm allison) that has finally been rebuilt in time for the next flood. That knocked us out of the top tier, hooray.

I know there are a lot of other major areas of law in Houston - energy, oil, and gas being primary, real estate and commercial transactional also being big (from the firms i've talked to). I almost clerked for a small toxic tort firm this summer, but another opportunity snagged me.

Question: what opportunites in environmental law are there that don't involve defending the toxic powers that be? Besides private interest or governmental/reg work?
2003-04-28 04:44:49 PM  
Don't worry about her going to South Beach! She lives in Homestead, which is at least 25 miles away. Umm... Beastie Boys... yeah, that she'll love :-)

Anyway, it's 10:45 p.m. here, and I slept a grand total of 4 1/2 hours last night, so I'm off.
2003-04-28 04:51:26 PM  
Heyzus: You could work for some consumer-rights organization, making sure the companies you hate keep in line. The good news is that your student loan interest payments will be tax-deductible. The bad news is that that's because you won't be making jack-shiat.

I remember Allison. As a Baylor grad, I got some sick satisfaction from it. The biggest flaw in the ranking system is that it relates to the size of your school and number of books in the library as much as how well your students do in the real world. Baylor usually has a bar passage rate in the mid to high 90's and is consistently the highest in Texas (only lost to UT twice and Tech once in the several yeasr that I bothered to check), yet because the old building was, well, old, and the library was small, and we make a point of having fewer students than some of the diploma mills like UT, we're ranked lower. Of course, the brand new building put us much higher, yet it's pretty widely accepted that the professors there now are not as good as the old ones. So the ranking system is ridiculous.
2003-04-28 04:52:41 PM  
Well, there's three basic sides in environmental (individual plaintiff/NGO, regulated community, and government), which I thought was more than most other fields.

You can work for the hippies (Sierra Club, NRDC on a national level, numerous, varied and diverse on a local level), the devil (regulated community - industrial facilities, companies that work with natural resources such as mining and forestry), or the government (Park Service, Fish and Wildlife, Interior, Justice, EPA, NOAA, Army Corps of Engineers).

The list goes on and on. But those are the three basic sides. And they fight against each other and with each other, depending on the issue. Many of the environmental people I've met split themselves up into two categories: pollution control or natural resources. And then they focus themselves on whatever their clients want.
2003-04-28 04:53:32 PM  
Keep in mind that the "devil" pays better.
2003-04-28 04:55:02 PM  

You seem like an on the ball type person. You might enjoy some of the stuff that appears on SET. And since this is a thread on Lawyer stuff...the owner of the SET Political Review is the guy that has been involved in a 3 year lawsuit with the PAISD...The only ones getting anything out of this is the attorneys...
2003-04-28 04:55:41 PM  
Dancin: As an attorney, I wouldn't have it any other way.
2003-04-28 04:56:37 PM  
And there are also weird combinations - I know a lawyer that once worked for some non-governmental organizations (I think it was Sierra Club), while at the same time working for regulated industry. It worked out, because the regulated industry (that paid his bills), knew he couldn't sue them on behalf of Sierra Club because of conflict of interest problems.

This same guy worked at DOJ for a bunch of years. There's a lot of options out there, from what I've well as a lot of fluidity. From what I gather, as long as you're a good lawyer with good ethics, people will hire you for their case no matter what side you worked for last. Unless you just sued them for something.
2003-04-28 05:01:16 PM  

I thought I smelled something...

Just kind of kidding. Don't shoot!

2003-04-28 05:01:17 PM  
The devil would help me pay back my loans and get the swank townhouse off west gray. But I have this...this awful thing in my head. This voice. This...conscience. Arg.

I'm not a tree hugging hippie. I know we need refineries and energy generation and other polluting entities. But I believe there are externalities that industry is wrongfully placing on society (particularly Houstonians) and that law and enforcement thereof is the best means of putting these costs back on their sources of production. I just believe that cancer, asthma, and respiratory ailments are worth higher production costs to avoid.

I'm thinking governmental might be for me...a summer at TCEQ is going to either confirm or refute that. Thanks for the advice, Bosephus and Kpar.

btw, I will never forget Allison washing my car away...literally. Not good times. Bad times. Good thing i lived on the third floor.
2003-04-28 05:02:33 PM  
Yeah, the "devil" usually pays better...until the "hippies" win one of those toxic tort class actions.
2003-04-28 05:06:33 PM  
Bocephus: In Texas, there will not be a toxic tort class action. Recent TEX case said that in order to file a class action in Texas, all of the plaintiffs had to suffer the exact same injury and incur identical damages. It's their way of ridding Texas of the BS class-actions from which only plaintiff's attys benefit--while their clients get a reduced rate on their next cruise or something equally worthless.

But I know what you mean. The funny thing is, when plaintiff's verdicts go up, corporations start pouring more into defending the cases. So we make EVEN MORE>

2003-04-28 05:08:39 PM  
Kpar, you're not helping us out on the whole "lawyers are evil" thing...
2003-04-28 05:15:15 PM  
Kpar - wow...but won't that just about kill the legal industry in southern Texas? I thought all they did there were class actions for asbestos/tobacco/breast implants/toxic tort, etc.
2003-04-28 05:18:04 PM  
Good for that lawyer - stick it to the school district - they have too much money anyway!
2003-04-28 05:19:32 PM  
Bosephus, don't forget what built this city. Not rock and roll, the oil and energy industry. South Texas will do just fine.
2003-04-28 05:25:04 PM  
i'm with Heyzeus on screwing the "finding a job" thing. I'm a first year at SMU, sent out 45 resumes, didn't get a response, and i'm in the top third. So i'm volunteering at the dallas DA office.

and Kpar90: That's really sad about Chris Quinn's family getting screwed over like that. Wayne Reaud is such a good guy, i can't see him letting that happen to Quinn's family.
2003-04-28 05:29:10 PM  
I know maybe 3 people from my 1L class that got a job with a private firm of any stature. Everyone I know is doing summer school and judicial clerkships (which are great, but are highly unpaid). Maybe next year on the loot, huh?
2003-04-28 05:32:03 PM  
all the 1L's at smu are going to oxford. meanwhile, one of my friends who's in the bottom 10% at tech get a federal clerkship. it all depends on the letterhead, if you know what i mean.
2003-04-28 05:34:50 PM  
I'm about to graduate, and I can tell you that when I started as a 1L, hardly anybody got jobs between their 1L/2L year. The people who did, ended up not going to those firms. I don't think any firms take that to be serious enough. Not enough return on investment. First year students really don't know what they want, and end up going elsewhere.
2003-04-28 05:39:48 PM  
I'm a Baylor grad too, although not in law... one of their other anonymous grad programs... but from the law school people I knew, I guess the program their is unique in that it isn't just book-learnin' and focuses on what's going to happen when you're out and actually have a job... I thought that was a pretty good idea.
2003-04-28 05:41:11 PM  
i'm a baylor undergrad, just couldn't stay there another three years.
2003-04-28 05:45:27 PM  
Two years was enough for me... thank goodness I was spared the required religion classes or trips to the chapel or whatever that was. They did however, scrap the no-dancing-on-campus thing when I was there, which I'm sure means many young Baptists are now going to hell for breaking that commandment.
2003-04-28 05:45:33 PM  
Every girl i've met from Baylor has been either attractive or uber attractive. But the tendency for them to be southern baptists is such a turnoff.
2003-04-28 05:50:10 PM  
heyzeus: i totally agree. right now i'm dating an uber attractive southern baptist sorority girl, which i swore i'd never do again. old habits are hard to break.
2003-04-28 05:50:24 PM  
I'll second that Heyzeus. Funny thing to watch some of the foreign grad students try to hit on the Baptist girls without understanding Southern Baptists. It was very entertaining.
2003-04-28 07:08:22 PM  
Bosephus, Loudmouthsoup, others maybe:

I'm at a top tier law school and almost everyone has a job or whatever they want, as always. Ho hum.
2003-04-28 07:41:45 PM  
Does anyone know what the legal job market in the military is like right now? Would any of you legal types think of joining the JAG corps? Why or why not? I'm off to law school in a few months....
2003-04-28 08:21:43 PM  
damn i knew lawyaers made money but half a mil for a case? yeesh
2003-04-28 09:33:35 PM  
Damn, I wish my lawyer cost $140 hour, I paid twice that.
2003-04-28 10:45:30 PM  
I love hearing people try to defend lawyers. Guilty as charged.
2003-04-29 01:48:58 AM  
Feh. I've seen this before. I liked the toxic rocket fueled lettuce story better (scroll down).
2003-04-29 08:11:57 AM  
Fark. Sounds like my job.
2003-04-29 12:42:32 PM  
The link on this story didn't work for me, but I did a search & found it again. Do you suppose they moved it?​BFH01855 .sto
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