FARK.com: (5126503) Eighth grader Sarah Flickinger suspended from school for Flick-ing-er nose piercing. Of course, her crazy mom is Flick-ing-er finger at the school district. Why? Because a kindergarten teacher has one too

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(Some Boogers)		Eighth grader Sarah Flickinger suspended from school for Flick-ing-er nose piercing. Of course, her crazy mom is Flick-ing-er finger at the school district. Why? Because a kindergarten teacher has one too (redbluffdailynews.com)		124
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cretinbob		2010-03-19 05:54:20 PM

She'll be pregnant by the time she's in ninth grade, just like her mom.

R.A.Danny		2010-03-19 05:55:16 PM

While it is the kid's nose, and I believe her right, she would be better served with a neon sign blinking "Poor Choices Ahead" fused to her scapula.

Bathia_Mapes		2010-03-19 05:55:56 PM

pwhp_67

He works in a Royal Caribbean call center. They don't care what he looks like as long as he doesn't have any tattoos that contain offensive words. He doesn't interact in person with the travel agents and people booking cruises, just talks to them on the phone.

On the otherhand, teachers interact in person with their students daily.

NannyStatePark		2010-03-19 05:56:36 PM

I remember this chick I know whose 18 year old son got expelled for a cartilage piercing in his ear right before he was due to graduate HS and she was furious with him for not complying with the rules stating that only girls can have pierced ears. If that had been my kid, I would have considered a lawsuit. I would never in a million years allow my child to have a piercing like a nose ring at age 14, but I think people should be free to make those decisions for their own families.

Gamer Grrrl		2010-03-19 05:56:44 PM

pwhp_67: Bathia_Mapes: I just don't think a nose piercing on a school teacher looks particularly professional.

But you're OK with your son never looking professional a day in his life now that he's got tats and piercings?

I work at a huge corporate bank. HUGE. And we have a dude with a mohawk in my office. The really funny thing is, he's also the only guy that wears a tie every single day. The contrast is awesome. We also have no rules about hair color, tattoos, or piercings. Why? Because they got the fark over it already. People don't need to conform in order to do their jobs well, and my employer knows that.

Granted, my department isn't in front-end sales with Japanese business owners, but still. If MY snooty employer can get over it, anyone can.

Rozinante		2010-03-19 06:03:08 PM

Kindergarten teachers are freaky animals. Only tangentially related, but important. They don't get much contact with adults, so when they do, look out.

7th Son of a 7th Son		2010-03-19 06:03:42 PM

This just in : Adults have more rights than kids.

the money is in the banana stand		2010-03-19 06:04:29 PM

I'm sorry students don't have the same "rights" as teachers. There are different standards for good reasons. A student is NOT an equal to a teacher. They signed the Code of Conduct, so thereby they agree to the guidelines and codes within the book. If they don't like that, they should have farking read the Code of Conduct and brought up the issue before their little slut decided to get a nose ring. While it reflects poorly on the teacher to have a nose ring, if the school says it is ok, it is ok. Sorry teachers get privileges that students do not. She was given the chance to remove it, she didn't comply so she has to suffer the consequences. Normally schools act out poorly, but they did the right thing in this case. Kids (and parents) need to farking learn what CONSEQUENCES are and be forced to endure them. No get out of jail free "bailout" cards for failing or breaking the rules.

/The world is not fair, cry more.

Mandapants		2010-03-19 06:04:33 PM

In some districts, students are not allowed to drink in class, yet the teachers can have giant travel cups of coffee or vats of soda, or even water bottles.

/another double standard

Honest Bender		2010-03-19 06:04:52 PM

Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I don't think an 8th grader should have a nose piercing, but I also don't think a kindergarten teacher should have a pierced nose either.

I agree with everything you just said. However, I'd like to add that while I don't think anyone should have a nose piercing, I also don't think it's any of my business if either of them has one. Unless the girl was my daughter why should I have any say in the matter? I can disapprove. I can tell her I disapprove. But I don't see why I should have any ability to make her take it out.

The teacher is a different story since her employer may find it unsuitable attire for her job, but that's a separate issue.

clyph		2010-03-19 06:07:45 PM

nytmare: Nose piercings always look like boogers hanging off the side of your nose.

THIS.

I told my soon-to-be-ex wife the exact same thing when she said she wanted one.

Fluffy_the_cactus		2010-03-19 06:07:59 PM

Newsflash, rules that affect adults don't necessarily affect children (and vice versa). I think this is one of those cases where, sure it's okay for a teacher to have a piercing, but not okay for a student to have one.. I have no problems with forcing the students to conform to a standard appearance that teachers don't have to conform to. Rules are different depending on what your role is.

Bamboozler		2010-03-19 06:08:42 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: This just in : Adults have more rights than kids.

WHAT THE FARK?!

When did this happen?!

/Feels bamboozled

sweater_pups		2010-03-19 06:09:17 PM

I think Romero is putting together a newsflash:

"This just in: People do things differently in other places!"

clyph		2010-03-19 06:11:08 PM

feanturi: That's just like saying pot is harmful because it is illegal, and it's illegal because it's harmful.

The problem is that a significant part of the population can't understand the problem with circular reasoning even when you try to explain it to them in painstaking detail.

3825968		2010-03-19 06:12:40 PM

Did someone call me?

the money is in the banana stand		2010-03-19 06:12:44 PM

Honest Bender: Bathia_Mapes: That being said, I don't think an 8th grader should have a nose piercing, but I also don't think a kindergarten teacher should have a pierced nose either.

I agree with everything you just said. However, I'd like to add that while I don't think anyone should have a nose piercing, I also don't think it's any of my business if either of them has one. Unless the girl was my daughter why should I have any say in the matter? I can disapprove. I can tell her I disapprove. But I don't see why I should have any ability to make her take it out.

The teacher is a different story since her employer may find it unsuitable attire for her job, but that's a separate issue.

THE SCHOOL DOES NOT RESTRICT THEM FROM HAVING A NOSE RING, THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE IT IN DURING SCHOOL TIME.

This is no different than a school dress code. You have to abide by those rules while on school time. You are not restricted from wearing those clothes or buying those clothes outside the code on your own time.

Guess what, employers do the same thing. If someone showed up to work here with a face full of metal, yeah I would have a problem with that given they have a lot of customer interaction. That would reflect poorly on the company. I don't care if they had those piercings, but they would have to take them out while at work.

Supreme		2010-03-19 06:12:46 PM

gambitsgirl: Where in the world is 8th grade in Elementary School?

Carmen Sandiego?

vexle		2010-03-19 06:14:12 PM

From_The_Year_2000:
...You can't see the difference between someone doing something to you against your will vs consensually?

You don't happen to belong to a frat, do you?

That's sort of the idea. Would Paul Pierce have stabbed himself 11 times? Would he have considered that in any way preferable to being stabbed 11 times by other people?

On a less puncture-happy note, I like to think that if I was in a frat, my post would have looked more like: "LOL didntr ead teh link but i hope tht chick wus bangin' lol" although in fairness I haven't attended a school with any sort of real fraternities so I wouldn't know firsthand.

Andralynn		2010-03-19 06:14:43 PM

gambitsgirl: Where in the world is 8th grade in Elementary School?

Ontario, Canada.

clyph		2010-03-19 06:14:49 PM

Honest Bender: But I don't see why I should have any ability to make her take it out.
People of a certain personality type like to force everyone else to conform to their notions of propriety.

Mordac Lord of Unholy Fury		2010-03-19 06:16:45 PM

aninconvenienterection: You sound intolerant. Why would you care what another person does with his/her nose?

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose.

Also, FTA: Sarah admits that even though she wants to be like the teacher, she doesn't know her very well.

Grasping at straws the mother and child are. The kindergarden teacher did not influence her to get a nose ring. She did it on her own and then looked for the excuse. Aren't there laws requiring parental consent for piercings if the child is under a certain age?

I've personally seen good teachers quit because they were used as an excuse for bad behavior. It's always after the fact, and the parents are always looking at someone other than their kid. It's a BS defense and everyone should know better.

vexle		2010-03-19 06:17:32 PM

Gamer Grrrl: pwhp_67: Bathia_Mapes: I just don't think a nose piercing on a school teacher looks particularly professional.

But you're OK with your son never looking professional a day in his life now that he's got tats and piercings?

I work at a huge corporate bank. HUGE. And we have a dude with a mohawk in my office. The really funny thing is, he's also the only guy that wears a tie every single day. The contrast is awesome. We also have no rules about hair color, tattoos, or piercings. Why? Because they got the fark over it already. People don't need to conform in order to do their jobs well, and my employer knows that.

Granted, my department isn't in front-end sales with Japanese business owners, but still. If MY snooty employer can get over it, anyone can.

That's pretty awesome. I wish I end up at a place like that.

clyph		2010-03-19 06:17:32 PM

the money is in the banana stand: This is no different than a school dress code. You have to abide by those rules while on school time

Fine and dandy if you were talking about a private school. When the government compels you to attend their indoctrination center involuntarily, it's a different story.

TsukasaK		2010-03-19 06:18:32 PM

Moonfisher: Meh. I have a nose ring. I'm a substitute at the local school district and asked when I was hired if I would need to remove it for work. They looked at me like I was insane. "Why would you need to remove it?" the HR lady asks me. They don't care what the students have, either, as long as it isn't dangerous. This is stupid as hell and all this hullabaloo about body jewelry is far more distracting from the educational process than the jewelry itself.

THIS X99999

It's a farking nose ring. Get over yourselves.

clyph		2010-03-19 06:21:21 PM

TsukasaK:
It's a farking ~~nose ring~~ metallic booger. Get over yourselves.

FTFY.

If you want to look like a fool, that's your right. If I want to point out that you look like a fool, that's my right.

vexle		2010-03-19 06:21:33 PM

Bamboozler: 7th Son of a 7th Son: This just in : Adults have more rights than kids.

WHAT THE FARK?!

When did this happen?!

/Feels bamboozled

Wait, so can I or can't I just walk into people's houses and take things now that I'm over 21?

Clete Orris		2010-03-19 06:24:27 PM

feanturi: What if her nose got cut off in a car accident and she now has titanium studs embedded in her skull to keep the prosthetic nose on? What farking difference does it make one way or the other anyway? Whose education is being harmed by letting kids come to school with parent-approved body modifications? The only harm is that this kid now has a three-day suspension only because they decided to make a stink about it. That's just like saying pot is harmful because it is illegal, and it's illegal because it's harmful.

/not reaching for low-hanging troll bait.
//try again

vabeard		2010-03-19 06:25:15 PM

An eighth-grader in kindergarten?

Honest Bender		2010-03-19 06:29:28 PM

the money is in the banana stand: THE SCHOOL DOES NOT RESTRICT THEM FROM HAVING A NOSE RING, THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE IT IN DURING SCHOOL TIME.

This is no different than a school dress code. You have to abide by those rules while on school time. You are not restricted from wearing those clothes or buying those clothes outside the code on your own time.

Guess what, employers do the same thing. If someone showed up to work here with a face full of metal, yeah I would have a problem with that given they have a lot of customer interaction. That would reflect poorly on the company. I don't care if they had those piercings, but they would have to take them out while at work.

We here at Honest Bender appreciate your feedback. However, could you please clarify what exactly I said that you took issue with?

TsukasaK		2010-03-19 06:34:36 PM

clyph: their indoctrination center involuntarily,

Figure 4-2: Common phrases and words used by idiots

"Sheeple"
"Indoctrination centers" (w.r.t schools)
"WAKE UP!!"
"Revolution"
"RON PAUL (year)"
Any variation of "snowflake" "crotch fruit", etc

Figgtoria		2010-03-19 06:36:23 PM

I think nose rings are stupid as hell, but what happened to saying "You can't do it because you're a kid. When you're a grown up, you can do what you want."?

This is what's wrong with the kids today - they don't understand that they are not our equals.

/shakes fist and motions towards lawn

vexle		2010-03-19 06:36:35 PM

TsukasaK: clyph: their indoctrination center involuntarily,

Figure 4-2: Common phrases and words used by idiots

"Sheeple"
"Indoctrination centers" (w.r.t schools)
"WAKE UP!!"
"Revolution"
"RON PAUL (year)"
Any variation of "snowflake" "crotch fruit", etc

aw, I liked "snowflake." Can we still use "hambeast?"

Devil's Playground		2010-03-19 06:38:45 PM

I agree with the mother. If the teacher can wear a nose ring to school, then the child should be allowed to as well. But then again, the teacher can legally have sex with the 45 year old janitor if she wishes so.........

TrixieDelite		2010-03-19 06:40:48 PM

The sheer mass of stupid in that article made my teeth hurt.

the money is in the banana stand		2010-03-19 06:41:13 PM

Honest Bender: the money is in the banana stand: THE SCHOOL DOES NOT RESTRICT THEM FROM HAVING A NOSE RING, THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE IT IN DURING SCHOOL TIME.

This is no different than a school dress code. You have to abide by those rules while on school time. You are not restricted from wearing those clothes or buying those clothes outside the code on your own time.

Guess what, employers do the same thing. If someone showed up to work here with a face full of metal, yeah I would have a problem with that given they have a lot of customer interaction. That would reflect poorly on the company. I don't care if they had those piercings, but they would have to take them out while at work.

We here at Honest Bender appreciate your feedback. However, could you please clarify what exactly I said that you took issue with?

"...But I don't see why I should have any ability to make her take it out..."

That mentality is what I have a problem with. The school is in a position of authority. While the parents are not there, they take on SOME power the parents would otherwise have. They also are not arbitrarily awarded this power. By signing the Code of Conduct handbook, you are agreeing to give them that power. This is no different than checking the box that grants the school the power to use corporal punishment to discipline your child (if they even still have that option).

By succumbing to the notion that students have "equal rights" and the same "rights" as an adult, you are essentially teaching your snowflake that they can pretty damn well do whatever they please. While the inverse extreme of this (being good little subservient soldiers) is also bad, teaching your children that they can choose not to respect laws or codes is a very bad thing to do.

sseye		2010-03-19 07:05:11 PM

Bathia_Mapes: gambitsgirl: Where in the world is 8th grade in Elementary School?

This.

That being said, I don't think an 8th grader should have a nose piercing, but I also don't think a kindergarten teacher should have a pierced nose either.

I don't really give a shiat about either.

Or, you know, let's just call everyone who gets their ears pierced before 18 whores and trollops.

sseye		2010-03-19 07:06:29 PM

missmez: I don't think its unreasonable that a student would look to the faculty for standards in dress on school grounds.

But precious snowflake crotchfruit something or other!

F42		2010-03-19 07:10:31 PM

styckx: who should have said "no" when their little snowflake asked for a nose ring

And whoever let you have a computer and internet connection should have said the same, Hitler.

skaetur		2010-03-19 07:20:23 PM

Hambeast.

i LOL'd

/Your hambeast does not have as many rights as Ms. Lippy.

pigg101		2010-03-19 07:22:17 PM

So, is she going to start farking because the teachers are doing that as well? How about drinking? Or any number of things that adults do that young people cannot do.

vexle		2010-03-19 07:31:47 PM

pigg101: So, is she going to start farking because the teachers are doing that as well? How about drinking? Or any number of things that adults do that young people ~~cannot~~ aren't supposed to do but do anyway.

FTFY

mrexcess		2010-03-19 07:34:19 PM

styckx
Yes they are, and so are mothers, who should have said "no" when their little snowflake asked for a nose ring.

Out of curiosity, why do you say this? Just because parents are supposed to act like asshole authoritarians, or is there actually some reason why kids nearly in high school are unable to handle the responsibility that comes with having a decorative piercing on their nose?

mrexcess		2010-03-19 07:35:58 PM

the money is in the banana stand
teaching your children that they can choose not to respect laws or codes is a very bad thing to do.

Absolutely. They might grow up to become politicians or business leaders.

/not all laws and codes deserve to be respected
//this story is a prime example

vrax		2010-03-19 07:41:30 PM

Yeah, that bandage on her nose is going to be way less distracting than the piercing.

/facepalm

Honest Bender		2010-03-19 07:50:10 PM

the money is in the banana stand: That mentality is what I have a problem with. The school is in a position of authority. While the parents are not there, they take on SOME power the parents would otherwise have.

For some things, yes, the school has authority over the children. I don't think this should be one of the things a public school can mandate. Private schools are a different matter for obvious reasons.

They also are not arbitrarily awarded this power. By signing the Code of Conduct handbook, you are agreeing to give them that power.

I'm fine with a code of conduct. But, again, I think things like body piercings should be an issue between the parents and the child. I don't think a public school should have a say any more than I think I should. It's not my child and it's not my business.

This is no different than checking the box that grants the school the power to use corporal punishment to discipline your child (if they even still have that option).

By succumbing to the notion that students have "equal rights" and the same "rights" as an adult, you are essentially teaching your snowflake that they can pretty damn well do whatever they please.

Right. Because teaching adults that they have rights teaches them that they can do whatever they want too. Kids DO have the same rights as adults. The only difference is they are punished less for their transgressions.

What lesson are you trying to teach children by withholding their rights? Wouldn't it make more sense to hold them to the same standard as adults from the start? That way they always know what is expected of them. Punish children less because they may not know any better, but hold them to the same standards.

While the inverse extreme of this (being good little subservient soldiers) is also bad, teaching your children that they can choose not to respect laws or codes is a very bad thing to do.

See, the problem here isn't that we're teaching children to disrespect laws and authority, it's that we're giving people authority they shouldn't have in the first place. I understand that people will have different opinions about this, but my opinion (as I've stated several times already) is that body piercings should be a family issue, not a school administration issue (private school excluded).

Wulfman		2010-03-19 08:02:56 PM

Bathia_Mapes: I'm not at all intolerant. In fact my son has quite a few piercings (and tattoos too). I just don't think a nose piercing on a school teacher looks particularly professional.

Blanket statements--that's definitely the best way to discuss professionalism.

vrax		2010-03-19 08:05:35 PM

the money is in the banana stand: That mentality is what I have a problem with. The school is in a position of authority. While the parents are not there, they take on SOME power the parents would otherwise have. They also are not arbitrarily awarded this power. By signing the Code of Conduct handbook, you are agreeing to give them that power. This is no different than checking the box that grants the school the power to use corporal punishment to discipline your child (if they even still have that option).

Except that it is different. There is no opt-out with regard to signing the code of conduct in its entirety. It's a requirement for attending the school which is compulsory.

What's really pathetic is that this "school" decided that missing 3 days of instruction--the sole purpose of schools--was the proper response to a non-disruptive issue such as a piercing in the "wrong" location. Obviously their highest priority is not education.

debrisyat		2010-03-19 08:24:25 PM

I don't understand parents who allow minor children to pierce and tattoo. To allow a child to make that kind of decision is foolish. There are plenty of things kids grow up and blame their parents over, why be so stupid as to add a tattoo or an unusual piercing to the list. Smart parents will leave it up to their adult children to make those decisions for themselves.

This is simply a case of Mama wanting to be the cool parent and if she can take a slap at an authority figure to feel more important than all the better. Frankly, if she wants to let her kid have a pierced nose and the school board allows their employee to have pierced noses then they have no business complaining.

TrixieDelite		2010-03-19 08:32:31 PM

vexle: Gamer Grrrl: pwhp_67: Bathia_Mapes: I just don't think a nose piercing on a school teacher looks particularly professional.

But you're OK with your son never looking professional a day in his life now that he's got tats and piercings?

I work at a huge corporate bank. HUGE. And we have a dude with a mohawk in my office. The really funny thing is, he's also the only guy that wears a tie every single day. The contrast is awesome. We also have no rules about hair color, tattoos, or piercings. Why? Because they got the fark over it already. People don't need to conform in order to do their jobs well, and my employer knows that.

Granted, my department isn't in front-end sales with Japanese business owners, but still. If MY snooty employer can get over it, anyone can.

That's pretty awesome. I wish I end up at a place like that.

Will not grammar with like not that. Not.

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