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(Boing Boing)   Entertainment industry to use words like "unauthorised downloading" after it was determined that "piracy" sounds kind of cool and sexy   (boingboing.net) divider line 77
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2010-03-19 11:42:46 AM
What they think a music pirate looks like:

www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com

What music pirates actually look like:

thenakedpheasant.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-19 11:58:01 AM
I prefer to be referred to as a music ninja
 
2010-03-19 12:00:27 PM
That's almost as funny as when The Pirate Bay claimed it wasn't engaging in piracy and was just a file hosting service.
 
2010-03-19 12:43:59 PM
ne2d: That's almost as funny as when The Pirate Bay claimed it wasn't engaging in piracy and was just a file hosting service.

They were merely hosting the files that allowed people to break the law, not the infringing files themselves. It's as if I put the Anarchist's Cookbook on my site. I'm not engaging in those behaviors, but I am making it easier for people to engage in those behaviors.
 
2010-03-19 02:15:36 PM
Call it whatever you want, I'm still not stopping:)
 
2010-03-19 02:16:43 PM
Came here for sexy pirate pics.

/left disappointed
 
2010-03-19 02:28:46 PM
Torrentius: Call it whatever you want, I'm still not stopping:). It's called file sharing. I'm not saying I share. Not here, not there or anywhere. I like green eggs and ham though.

www.razzies.com
What file sharing might look like
 
2010-03-19 02:30:02 PM
Barakku: I prefer to be referred to as a music ninja

I prefer "music eating zombie of the apocalypse" or MEZOTA for short.
 
2010-03-19 02:32:41 PM
I have yet to need to see a movie or TV show so badly that I illegally download it from the internet.

Don't care what others do. Just wanted to smug the thread up a little bit.
 
2010-03-19 02:33:01 PM
The Icelander: What they think a music pirate looks like:



What music pirates actually look like:


1st picture: *drool*

2nd picture: *barf*
 
2010-03-19 02:33:13 PM
What was wrong with simply calling it theft?
 
2010-03-19 02:34:29 PM
the entertainment industry is accustomed to creating their own version of reality for the masses to consume.


they do this with words and images. and the masses fall for it without even knowing they fell for it.


in their world, as long as you keep saying the same thing over and over it becomes, over time, true/fact.
 
2010-03-19 02:34:56 PM
JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because that's not what it is?
 
2010-03-19 02:35:33 PM
Soon to be known as: "Undocumented Downloading"
 
2010-03-19 02:35:44 PM
JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.
 
2010-03-19 02:42:26 PM
It maybe called copyright infringement, but at the end of the day, you have something that you should have paid for, but didn't. What would you call that.
 
2010-03-19 02:43:24 PM
JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?


It would be like calling you stupid, in reality you are probably just ignorant.
 
2010-03-19 02:44:14 PM
BadgerJoe: It maybe called copyright infringement, but at the end of the day, you have something that you should have paid for, but didn't. What would you call that.

In this case, copyright infringement.
 
2010-03-19 02:44:39 PM
BadgerJoe: It maybe called copyright infringement, but at the end of the day, you have something that you should have paid for, but didn't. What would you call that.

Crafty Consumerism
 
2010-03-19 02:45:06 PM
BadgerJoe: It maybe called copyright infringement, but at the end of the day, you have something that you should have paid for, but didn't. What would you call that.

Copyright infringement. Just like the record companies call it when they go to court.
 
2010-03-19 02:45:10 PM
BadgerJoe: It maybe called copyright infringement, but at the end of the day, you have something that you should have paid for, but didn't. What would you call that.

Your assertion is disingenuous. Theft usually implies a loss of some sort of inventory. File sharing does not create a loss, but instead creates copies of data.

Which is why it falls under copyright infringement.
 
2010-03-19 02:46:05 PM
"We should change the word piracy," she said at a press conference. "To me, piracy is something adventurous, it makes you think about Johnny Depp. We all want to be a bit like Johnny Depp. But we're talking about a criminal act. We're talking about making it impossible to make a living from what you do."

So are you saying pirates were shiny happy rum drinking good time Gus'? Or perhaps they were criminals who made it impossible for certain industries to make a living from what they did?
 
2010-03-19 02:52:26 PM
Linux_Yes: in their world, as long as you keep saying the same thing over and over it becomes, over time, true/fact.

arran.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-19 02:56:17 PM
i4.ytimg.com
"Hey kid! Stop all the dowloadin'
"I'm a computa!"
 
2010-03-19 03:05:23 PM
I really think we SHOULD start calling jaywalking "road rape".
 
2010-03-19 03:07:16 PM
Ninja Wicked: I really think we SHOULD start calling jaywalking "road rape".

I support this.
 
2010-03-19 03:10:00 PM
Ninja Wicked: I really think we SHOULD start calling jaywalking "road rape".

But that dirty little street was asking for it! Her and her unmarked lanes...
 
2010-03-19 03:13:33 PM
Ninja Wicked: I really think we SHOULD start calling jaywalking "road rape".


Surprise crossing.


/funny when a clown does it
 
2010-03-19 03:19:46 PM
It's really just "unauthorized duplication". 'Downloading' is irrelevant as it's just one of many ways to transport that duplicate. And said duplication just represents a failure by the music industry to compete as best source of media. It's not theft, or piracy, as there is no "original" which is removed as a result.
 
2010-03-19 03:36:28 PM
ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.


So, theft.
 
2010-03-19 03:38:14 PM
JosephFinn: ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.

So, theft.


AHAHAHA pretending not to understand things is funny and clever!
 
2010-03-19 03:38:31 PM
JosephFinn: ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.

So, theft.


I stand corrected. You are stupid as you are no longer ignorant regarding the difference between the two terms.
 
2010-03-19 03:42:42 PM
not collecting stamps: JosephFinn: ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.

So, theft.

I stand corrected. You are stupid as you are no longer ignorant regarding the difference between the two terms.


I get the feeling a lot of people don't understand that copyright infringement more often carries a harsher penalty under the law and is therefore considered a "worse" crime than theft. I will receive a smaller punishment for going out and knicking a CD from Best Buy than I would if I were caught downloading a single music track.

But "theft" carries a harsher stigma in people's minds so they want to equate it to that.
 
2010-03-19 03:43:40 PM
MightyPez: not collecting stamps: JosephFinn: ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.

So, theft.

I stand corrected. You are stupid as you are no longer ignorant regarding the difference between the two terms.

I get the feeling a lot of people don't understand that copyright infringement more often carries a harsher penalty under the law and is therefore considered a "worse" crime than theft. I will receive a smaller punishment for going out and knicking a CD from Best Buy than I would if I were caught downloading a single music track.

But "theft" carries a harsher stigma in people's minds so they want to equate it to that.


It probably stems from the fact that theft is an actual criminal act whereas copyright infringement is a mere civil case.
 
2010-03-19 03:46:38 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: It probably stems from the fact that theft is an actual criminal act whereas copyright infringement is a mere civil case.

That's true. Well, in most cases anyway. There are times when the feds get involved, but that is never for small scale music traders.
 
2010-03-19 03:50:27 PM
Kids think that pirates (new window) are cool.
 
2010-03-19 03:50:52 PM
JosephFinn: ne2d: JosephFinn: What was wrong with simply calling it theft?

Because it's not theft; it's copyright infringement.

So, theft.


Don't quit your day job.
 
2010-03-19 03:57:01 PM
Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.
 
2010-03-19 03:59:40 PM
JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

Main Entry: theft
Pronunciation: \theft\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thefth; akin to Old English thof thief
Date: before 12th century

1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

Where in the copying of that data did I intend to deprive the rightful owner of it? He still has his master copies. There was no deprivation of property taking place.
 
2010-03-19 04:02:16 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

Main Entry: theft
Pronunciation: \theft\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thiefthe, from Old English thefth; akin to Old English thof thief
Date: before 12th century

1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

Where in the copying of that data did I intend to deprive the rightful owner of it? He still has his master copies. There was no deprivation of property taking place.


It took a whole two minutes for the biatch slap.
 
2010-03-19 04:02:25 PM
JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

It starts with the fact that words have specific meanings. Legal terms are usually even more specific. The action you describe meets the definition of one of the terms but not the other. I know you are trying really hard to remain ignorant but it is only making you look retarded.
 
2010-03-19 04:02:48 PM
JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

It has been explained to you like you were a child, what it is. At the risk of knowing you have no intention of actually reading and comprehending it, I'll repeat it. Theft is removing property and depriving of it's own. Copying music/television/movies/whatever does not deprive the owner of that property.

It is, however, making an unauthorized copy of a product, which falls under the definition of copyright infringement.

If I had a machine that could copy my car part for part with little degradation at little to no cost and gave it away to all my friends, that wouldn't be theft. It would, however, be violating the copyrights of the designer and builder of that car.

I know this sounds like semantics, but it is an important distinction. See: road rape above.
 
2010-03-19 04:03:20 PM
not collecting stamps: JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

It starts with the fact that words have specific meanings. Legal terms are usually even more specific. The action you describe meets the definition of one of the terms but not the other. I know you are trying really hard to remain ignorant but it is only making you look retarded.


He's not even, he probably knows just as well or better than any of us what the difference is. He's bored with an hour left on a Friday afternoon.
 
2010-03-19 04:04:11 PM
MightyPez: Theft is removing property and depriving of it's own.

Ugh, time to proof read.

"Theft is removing property and depriving said property from its owner"
 
2010-03-19 04:08:00 PM
Genie is out of the bottle. If you claim you have never pirated you are a liar.
 
2010-03-19 04:10:18 PM
farscape: Genie is out of the bottle. If you claim you have never pirated you are a liar.

I never pirated "Genie In A Bottle," for whatever that's worth.
 
2010-03-19 04:14:37 PM
How about "undocumented downloading"?
 
2010-03-19 04:15:32 PM
MightyPez: JosephFinn: Please, my children, do explain how copying something without paying or compensating the owner of the copyright is not theft? Feel free, I'm waiting.

It has been explained to you like you were a child, what it is. At the risk of knowing you have no intention of actually reading and comprehending it, I'll repeat it. Theft is removing property and depriving of it's own. Copying music/television/movies/whatever does not deprive the owner of that property.

It is, however, making an unauthorized copy of a product, which falls under the definition of copyright infringement.

If I had a machine that could copy my car part for part with little degradation at little to no cost and gave it away to all my friends, that wouldn't be theft. It would, however, be violating the copyrights of the designer and builder of that car.

I know this sounds like semantics, but it is an important distinction. See: road rape above.


This is correct.

When I was working for a university's media lab, I had to deal with copyright infringement and fair use a lot. Especially when it came to print media. A lot of the laws carry over or can cross the gap relatively well.

Theft would have been just stealing the book.

/No Professor, I can't copy those many pages at a time, you're breaking fair use.
//Even had a little slide in with options to circle with appropriate legalese.
 
2010-03-19 04:15:42 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: 1 a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it

Emphasis added; see the difference between rival and non-rival goods.
 
2010-03-19 04:39:16 PM
Because it's in my name and my contract, I have to stir up the pot a bit.

If theft is "removing property and depriving said property from its owner" (which it is) then what is Identity Theft?

Is someone's identity physical property that someone else can deprive them of?
 
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