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(azfamily.com)   Dad leaps from a second story window and shoots his daughter's boyfriend in the groin when he sees him beating her up, guaranteeing whoever dates her in the future will always get her home before curfew   (azfamily.com) divider line 308
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2010-03-18 01:30:07 AM
bbfreak: cookiefleck: Sigh...my dad was/is a teddy bear....I woulda loved to see him put the fear of god into a couple of the snotty douche bags I dated when I was a teenager...At a certain point, however, I think you should stop having your dad do that...

Oh, you mean by not bringing yourself into contact with those kind of people in the first place? Her first mistake was getting into the car with her ex-boyfriend.


and then kicking the car...
 
2010-03-18 01:40:18 AM
 
2010-03-18 01:47:04 AM
a warning shot, and then the second shot was STILL below the waist after the first one didn't stop him?

the man's a saint.
 
2010-03-18 01:49:19 AM
Digitalstrange:
Agreed, my ex used to hit me. She was a tiny thing and couldn't hit worth a damn so she wasn't particularly dangerous but I really feel she was trying to provoke me to hit her back. She was abused as a kid (by both parents)and could never quite believe I loved her as much as I claimed and I believe it's because she couldn't make me angry enough to swing back. I didn't care enough in her mind.


I went through something similar, but she was trying to make me leave her. After she had taken me for everything I had, including my DNA, she wanted nothing more to do with me. As she was running out of ideas to make me want to leave her, one time she full on punched me right across the face with everything she had. It felt like someone hit me in the face with a grape. I might've gotten angry if it wasn't so cute. My laughing didn't help matters much either, but it was so funny!
 
2010-03-18 01:49:25 AM
Urinal Gum: I'm not at all saying that the father's actions aren't commendable. They are commendable. But, whenever I hear stories like this, I can't help but wonder if everyone would find it equally commendable if it were the woman choking the man and subsequently getting shot in the groin. Domestic violence is where we have are biggest double standard.

/gets beat up by girls
//kinda likes it


the double standard is there for a reason. If my girl hits me as hard as she can I'll have a red mark, maybe a bruise. If I hit her as hard as I can she'd be in hospital for a week...
 
2010-03-18 02:05:45 AM
nikolai: Urinal Gum: I'm not at all saying that the father's actions aren't commendable. They are commendable. But, whenever I hear stories like this, I can't help but wonder if everyone would find it equally commendable if it were the woman choking the man and subsequently getting shot in the groin. Domestic violence is where we have are biggest double standard.

/gets beat up by girls
//kinda likes it

the double standard is there for a reason. If my girl hits me as hard as she can I'll have a red mark, maybe a bruise. If I hit her as hard as I can she'd be in hospital for a week...


I'll take this one step further and say that a girl also has a high probability of hurting themselves if they punch a guy, unless the guy doesn't lift weights, then they're ok.

As an aside:

To everyone that's calling "the boy friend is on drugs"; you're guaranteed to be correct. Arizona is rife with illicit drug use, and not the mellow weed use. We're talking cocaine, meth, and heroine.

It was a once ok state, that is now turning into an absolute shiat hole.

cowsspinach: Hmmmmm. I say in a few hours the daughter will be back to her abusive boyfriend and the dad will be kicking himself in the balls.

You're more correct than you might believe. Women in Arizona have the LA attitude, but their brains have been scrambled by the 120 degree summers. Trying to date these basket cases, and then treating them with respect (i.e., being truly interested in them as a person, listening to how their feeling, etc) is a negative there. They end up preferring a guy that will beat them up (and not in a good way). Go figure.

/bitter
//yes i sound fat
///happy st. patricks day farkers.
 
2010-03-18 02:05:48 AM
hypocaffeinemia: vinn01: Smackledorfer: vinn01: The Invisible Sky Wizard: vinn01:

Most of your abdominal organs are hollow and aren't crucial to be operational 100% of the time in order to live. If you've never witnessed how fast someone with a femoral artery can die, I'll attest to the fact it's an order of magnitude faster than someone with a traumatic bowel or bladder injury.


This, pretty much. Unless you also happen to hit the bits in the organs that connect to veins or arteries (seems to be particularly critical in pancreatic and kidney penetrating trauma. Liver seems to be one of the hardier internal organs when it comes to both blunt and penetrating trauma)

img688.imageshack.us
/not sure of apparent scale in picture
//still a good visual indication of how easy it is to ruin some poor bastard's day with a bit of hot lead
 
2010-03-18 02:11:45 AM
Lithanus: No one noticed that the story doesn't make sense. The dad shot the guy in the leg, and so the guy still comes at him with a rock.

Something about this doesn't make sense.



Contrary to what the movies say, being shot by a pistol under .45 is quite ineffective in the short run (30 seconds) unless you are shot in the heart or head (eye level or above) or the neck. Especially true if your are buzzed on something, and especially true if you are shot in a limb.

the only gun that works first time, every time, wherever you aim, is a 12 gauge. Even if you hit the bad guy in a limb, that limb will no longer be working at all and you will have the absolute undivided attention of the recipient.

Numerous examples of soldiers dying after a considerable amount of time from bullet wounds they didn't realize they had.
 
2010-03-18 02:16:41 AM
moothemagiccow: Walker: In the UK the father would have been locked up for a minimum of 5 years

Well yes - for illegal possession of a handgun and use of said handgun in an assault.

What's your point?

I approve of the father's actions here (with some caveats about just how safe is it to shoot an inherently inaccurate weapon at a guy that's holding onto your daughter), but frankly, the dad in this story is very lucky that he was shooting at an unarmed man, since if the boyfriend had time to pick up a rock he had plenty of time to draw a gun of his own.

In which case we'd be looking at a tragedy rather than a comedy.
 
2010-03-18 02:17:56 AM
the guy pretty much did it right. hope he didn't dent his car too much jumping from the second story.

gotta love the "pull it till it goes click" psychos though.
 
2010-03-18 02:26:59 AM
Shot to the balls not life threatening? Yeah, it's just life torturing. Imagine the next time that guy feels horny after seeing a boobacious girl, only to not feel anything getting hard. The sudden feeling for sex will be replaced by depression.

And just imagine how many times a normal guy gets horny in a day...now that's torture!
 
2010-03-18 02:27:29 AM
assembleravenger:

You're more correct than you might believe. Women in Arizona have the LA attitude, but their brains have been scrambled by the 120 degree summers. Trying to date these basket cases, and then treating them with respect (i.e., being truly interested in them as a person, listening to how their feeling, etc) is a negative there. They end up preferring a guy that will beat them up (and not in a good way). Go figure.

Are you talking about chicks who live in Scottsdale? If you are then I agree with you, just by what I've heard.
 
2010-03-18 02:27:52 AM
hockeyfarker: the guy pretty much did it right. hope he didn't dent his car too much jumping from the second story.

I was hoping it was the exes car.
 
2010-03-18 02:32:08 AM
bmihura: Probably only in the UK, California, or Massachusetts would the dad be in trouble.

firing a gun into the air in Arizona is against the law.... so if his first shot was a 'warning shot' fired in any direction other than the boyfriend (which i doubt, since he'd be firing toward his daughter), he's facing issues.
 
2010-03-18 02:38:03 AM
boozehat: firing a gun into the air in Arizona is against the law.... so if his first shot was a 'warning shot' fired in any direction other than the boyfriend (which i doubt, since he'd be firing toward his daughter), he's facing issues.

I assumed he fired into the ground near the ex-boyfriend but not at him.
 
2010-03-18 02:40:23 AM
cowsspinach: assembleravenger:

You're more correct than you might believe. Women in Arizona have the LA attitude, but their brains have been scrambled by the 120 degree summers. Trying to date these basket cases, and then treating them with respect (i.e., being truly interested in them as a person, listening to how their feeling, etc) is a negative there. They end up preferring a guy that will beat them up (and not in a good way). Go figure.

Are you talking about chicks who live in Scottsdale? If you are then I agree with you, just by what I've heard.


Scottsdale born/raised are literally the worst, but it applies to pretty much every girl in the Phoenix metro area to varying degrees. This is because most girls are *trying* to be like the Scottsdale girls. It's.. demoralizing.

boozehat: bmihura: Probably only in the UK, California, or Massachusetts would the dad be in trouble.

firing a gun into the air in Arizona is against the law.... so if his first shot was a 'warning shot' fired in any direction other than the boyfriend (which i doubt, since he'd be firing toward his daughter), he's facing issues.


Discharge of a firearm within city limits, but this doesn't apply to the Arizona Revised Statues (ARS) that have been quoted already (i.e., if there is threat of deadly force, you're allowed to respond in kind, yippe ki-yay motherfarker).
 
2010-03-18 02:44:39 AM
DoctorOfLove: Lithanus: No one noticed that the story doesn't make sense. The dad shot the guy in the leg, and so the guy still comes at him with a rock.

Something about this doesn't make sense.



Contrary to what the movies say, being shot by a pistol under .45 is quite ineffective in the short run (30 seconds) unless you are shot in the heart or head (eye level or above) or the neck. Especially true if your are buzzed on something, and especially true if you are shot in a limb.

the only gun that works first time, every time, wherever you aim, is a 12 gauge. Even if you hit the bad guy in a limb, that limb will no longer be working at all and you will have the absolute undivided attention of the recipient.

Numerous examples of soldiers dying after a considerable amount of time from bullet wounds they didn't realize they had.


This is wrong. Mass X Velocity. .45 is slow. Slower than .40 or .357. That number alone is not the end all be all.

But I agree with the shotgun suggestion. That is the best home defense weapon for a number of reasons. 12 Gauge may not be necessary. 20 gauge is pretty good, and more usable by smaller, weaker people (who probably need guns the most). .45 is the perfect round for smaller, weaker people, because the slow round makes for a much easier pistol to shoot than, say .40.

I personally prefer .45 for this reason, but it's just a comfort level thing. Some 'smaller rounds' are deadlier.

And there's nothing psycho, hockeyfarker, about realizing that if you're going to bring a gun into the situation, that this had better be a situation where you are prepared and need to kill someone. I'd never point a gun at someone and then let the situation end in a way where the bad guy could come back in a few years with a grudge. I'd certainly never fire a warning shot or a 'wound' shot. This man is heroic, even if he isn't perfect, and I am not promising I would do better under the pressure this man faced. But he's lucky that guy didn't manage to do worse in the period where he grabbed a rock and reattacked. And he'll be lucky if that man doesn't retaliate in the future.
 
2010-03-18 02:56:15 AM
Lithanus: Wow, looking through the comments, pathetic from the farkers... No one noticed that the story doesn't make sense. The dad shot the guy in the leg, and so the guy still comes at him with a rock. Even if you ignore how unlikely that is, how does dad shoot the guy in the crotch without stepping way outta the way?

Something about this doesn't make sense.


I was thinking the same thing. I wish the daughter was taken (into custody if needed) to have her injuries documented. I'd feel much better if I knew her injuries were caused by the ex boyfriend vs. caused by sloppy drunken falling at the bar.

While thankfully I've only seen it rarely, I have seen women try to provoke violent confrontation between men. Did the daughter ask the ex boyfriend to take her home so she could kick in his car door and start an altercation in front of her dad? Their story of the ex boyfriend attacking dad with a rock after being shot makes me wonder whether what the article describes is accurate. It may be, but I have enough questions that I want to dig further. I'd like to hear from witnesses at the bar about how they were acting, the ex boyfriend's story, any past violent histories for all three of them, and see evidence of the daughters injuries.

Oh, a few guys have posted about women being unable to injure them, and that it's ok for them to hit as hard as they can because of it. People are built with lots of vulnerable areas. A woman who knows how to hit them can take you down if you let her get the first shot. While I've only met a few that I was sure had the skill and temperament for that, I'm not comfortable with dismissing assault by women out of hand. Hitting with the intent to harm in a relationship even without the capability to harm is a pretty pathological sign...
 
2010-03-18 03:02:20 AM
DoctorOfLove:
the only gun that works first time, every time, wherever you aim, is a 12 gauge.


A shotgun is hardly the optimum choice of weapon for shooting a guy that's got hold of your daughter, though.
 
2010-03-18 03:06:28 AM
njosephg1985 said on March 17, 2010 at 5:02 PMActually this ENTIRE article is FALSE. This GIRL was drunk, mad at DAN and ran into her house....told her father he HIT her and he ran outside and shot DAN. Thats really what happened. Maybe you should get it right MEDIA. Hopefully you will write a retraction when this father gets arrested. Dan has never and will never hit a woman!

----

Above from the comments on the article. So not as clear a shot as one might think. It looks like the girls father could of went off half cocked the poor guy. I only hope he has the balls not to take a plea deal if that is the case, and rise to the occasion to fight this in court.
 
2010-03-18 03:08:09 AM
Mayhem_2006: DoctorOfLove:
the only gun that works first time, every time, wherever you aim, is a 12 gauge.

A shotgun is hardly the optimum choice of weapon for shooting a guy that's got hold of your daughter, though.


Unless you hate your daughter!

:-D
 
2010-03-18 03:12:51 AM
No pictures of what a 27 yr old girl getting getting choked might look like? Humph...I'm going to bed.
 
2010-03-18 03:21:34 AM
dissent/dysentery: No pictures of what a 27 yr old girl getting getting choked might look like? Humph...I'm going to bed.

Here, maybe this will hold you over until a picture of a 27-year old girl comes along:

img.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-18 03:27:01 AM
Mock26: dissent/dysentery: No pictures of what a 27 yr old girl getting getting choked might look like? Humph...I'm going to bed.

Here, maybe this will hold you over until a picture of a 27-year old girl comes along:


Wow, I wish I could say that it didn't, but leaving strangely satisfied.
 
2010-03-18 03:30:30 AM
jingks: boozehat: firing a gun into the air in Arizona is against the law.... so if his first shot was a 'warning shot' fired in any direction other than the boyfriend (which i doubt, since he'd be firing toward his daughter), he's facing issues.

I assumed he fired into the ground near the ex-boyfriend but not at him.


I assumed the same thing, then figured, 1) there would be evidence of shooting the ground. 2) most places in AZ don't have nice big fat green lawns, they've got rock which isn't an awesoeme environment to shoot at when someone you love is around.

i support the dad and cant for the life of me figure out how anyone can defend the boyfriend.

and i am a gun owner and live in california....although i live in san diego which isn't really "that" california, its the good part.
 
2010-03-18 07:29:39 AM
Oh look. Jakevol2's mom is allowing him to use the computer again.

farm4.static.flickr.com

Once a worthless troll, forever a worthless troll.
 
2010-03-18 08:03:32 AM
A-Rth-Urp-Hil-Ipdenu: hypocaffeinemia: vinn01: Smackledorfer: vinn01: The Invisible Sky Wizard: vinn01:

Most of your abdominal organs are hollow and aren't crucial to be operational 100% of the time in order to live. If you've never witnessed how fast someone with a femoral artery can die, I'll attest to the fact it's an order of magnitude faster than someone with a traumatic bowel or bladder injury.

This, pretty much. Unless you also happen to hit the bits in the organs that connect to veins or arteries (seems to be particularly critical in pancreatic and kidney penetrating trauma. Liver seems to be one of the hardier internal organs when it comes to both blunt and penetrating trauma)


/not sure of apparent scale in picture
//still a good visual indication of how easy it is to ruin some poor bastard's day with a bit of hot lead



Um. WUT?

A gutshot is pretty deadly - most of those hollow abominal organs carry some very virulent pathogenic bacteria when they get out of the alimentary canal and into your peritoneum, in addition to being very vascular and usually overlying major arteries or veins. In addition, many of these little bugs are anaerobic and resistant to common antibiotics, meaning life-threatening peritonitis and sepsis is a real concern.

It's the reason you pretty much buy a laparotomy anytime you get shot there.

There are no "Non-lethal" gunshots - being shot anywhere other than a grazing flesh wound has the potential to take someone's life.
 
2010-03-18 08:17:43 AM
MAYORBOB: Oh look. Jakevol2's mom is allowing him to use the computer again.



Once a worthless troll, forever a worthless troll.


sorry to hear you have permanent butthurt. Is there some kind of cream you can get for that?
 
2010-03-18 08:31:18 AM
When my son was born and the doctor held him up. I thought to myself, "That boy is gonna go get some"

When my daughter was born and the doctor held her up. I thought to myself, "No man will ever touch her"

I know... not fair. But it must be hard-wired.
 
2010-03-18 08:37:18 AM
Apparently the fathers fark handle is Pilikia
 
2010-03-18 08:44:37 AM
As a father with a daughter:

1. I wouldn't miss. Repeatedly. In the head.
2. I would not provide medical assistance to the assailant. He wouldn't need it.
 
2010-03-18 08:57:50 AM
Jakevol2: sorry to hear you have permanent butthurt. Is there some kind of cream you can get for that?

You should avoid threads with any controversy whatsoever. Your FARKy: (favorite: Holy shiat this guy is dumb/posts he's taking mom to ER)
 
2010-03-18 09:00:47 AM
Urinal Gum: I'm not at all saying that the father's actions aren't commendable. They are commendable. But, whenever I hear stories like this, I can't help but wonder if everyone would find it equally commendable if it were the woman choking the man and subsequently getting shot in the groin. Domestic violence is where we have are biggest double standard.

Good point. But along the same lines, what do you think the reaction would be here if it were a mother rather than a father who leapt out a window and shot someone up? A lot of people would still admire it, but there'd also be a few "crazy biatch" comments and MORE than a few speculating on what she must look like and what she's probably like in bed.
 
2010-03-18 09:22:39 AM
Little Bear: As a father with a daughter:

1. I wouldn't miss. Repeatedly. In the head.
2. I would not provide medical assistance to the assailant. He wouldn't need it.



Seriously. Who would trust a US legal system to protect their daughter from this guy when he's had time to decide that his broken dick is all her fault?

I would have used 12 gauge sandbags to the ribs until he stopped spraying pink foam.
 
2010-03-18 09:39:46 AM
Little Bear: As a father with a daughter:

1. I wouldn't miss. Repeatedly. In the head.
2. I would not provide medical assistance to the assailant. He wouldn't need it.


If you don't kill him, he'll get a lawyer.
 
2010-03-18 09:50:39 AM
Would have been better as a headshot

i49.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-18 10:01:18 AM
JeffreyScott: haemaker: He's good. By the time he got to the leg and groin shootings it was self defense.

As a criminal defense attorney I think this is the most important part...

FTA: The father, who also called the police, rendered aid to Fuches until paramedics arrived.

The fact he shot him in an area that wouldn't necessarily kill him, and then rendered aid, shows that he didn't really want to kill, and only did what was necessary to protect his daughter and himself. No jury in the world will convict him because no grand jury will ever return an indictment.


I happen to find the 'rendered aid' portion of the story hysterical.

There's the boyfriend, laying on the ground, having just had his junk violently excised. Then there's the dad, kneeling over him -


"Oh, jeez. Really sorry about your balls and all. That probably hurts real bad. Yeah - here, let me get a band-aid for you. You're still in shock and all, so maybe you aren't aware, but I totally just shot your balls off. Yep - all gone. Your balls. Oh look! - looks like there's a burnt remnant of your dick over here in the lawn! We'll go ahead and bag that, maybe the docs can staple that back on for you."
 
2010-03-18 10:58:22 AM
Jakevol2: AMurderOfCrows: Jakevol2: Clete Orris: Jakevol2: Perhaps I have the intellectual ability of a gnat.

FTFY


Did you think of that all by yourself? I hope your LD teacher gives you a gold star and a cookie.

Don't you have somewhere to be? I mean, isn't there a place for intellectually inferior troglodytes of your level and caliber? Maybe /b/ at 4chan? Or is being edgy there just too hard for you? I know, they're mostly twelve and all over there, but you need to deal with your own mental and emotional peer group on a regular basis or you'll never figure out how to properly escalate your trolling to a refined, subtle thing like other Farkers I could name.

Intellectually inferior? Troglodyte? You offend ME! You should get down on your knees and pray vainly to what ever false god you claim as your own that I grace you with my presence and dain you worthy of my opinion. You have no cause to claim any intellectual high ground what so ever. You deserve sanctions, but mercy must be weighed as well. Your lot in life as a gas pump jockey, I am sure, is punishment enough.


...you misspelled "deign", there, supergenius

/just sayin...
 
2010-03-18 11:19:32 AM
pwhp_67: RembrandtQEinstein: the plan is to keep squeezing the trigger until I hear a click instead of a bang.


I said in another thread that this is what I'd do if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night. That started a whole shiatstorm of how I'll have to prove my life was in danger.

I stand by that plan though. When I'm asked why I fired so many shots and why I didn't do this, that, or the other thing first I plan on stating that I am NOT Wyatt farking Earp and I wasn't taking any chances that this asshole would injure my family...


The only things you say to police who show up after a shooting are (in this order):

1. "He had a gun/knife/bat/candelabra/ etc. and was going to kill me/my family/person x.
2. I need to go to the hospital.
3. My lawyers name is .......

Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2010-03-18 11:22:34 AM
Let me try to think of this from the guy's point of view.

You're out at a bar having a good time drinking it up. You meet up with your ex who you broke up with because she's a biatch, but tonight you've forgotten about those past transgressions and decided you would drive her home. However on the way home you remember what a biatch she is and get into an argument with her. After she gets out, she kicks your car and that's the last straw. You decide to go Wayne Brady on her.

Now you're still a bit drunk so you aren't thinking rationally. Emotions are high and she just damaged your property, but you know that she lives with her parents (or her parents live with her). Would you ignore the other person screaming in the background while you are in your drunken rage? Well maybe you couldn't distinguish her screams from the random screams of a stranger because of your anger. Then you hear something like a gunshot go off, shouldn't you check on that? No sir, this biatch has had it coming for a while! No outside distractions are going to cut through my rage!

Suddenly... Ow! My Balls!

Nope, I can't see this working as a defense. Look man, if you hated her that much that threats of being shot couldn't snap you out of your rage, maybe you shouldn't have offered to drive her home. If the beer goggles were working that well, then there's a possibility that you were too drunk to drive her home in the first place. If you were sober enough to drive her home legally, then you should have been rational enough to realize you were being threatened by a gun. You're rage issues need to be dealt with quickly before you get shot in someplace that's not your groin.
 
2010-03-18 11:47:53 AM
cookiefleck: Sigh...my dad was/is a teddy bear....I woulda loved to see him put the fear of god into a couple of the snotty douche bags I dated when I was a teenager...At a certain point, however, I think you should stop having your dad do that...

Horseshiat (and I mean that in the nicest possible way). I'm 26 years old and if I were in an abusive situation, I hope like hell my dad would step in. Actually, I KNOW my dad would step in. They'd probably have to scrape the abuser up with a shovel afterwards. But since my daddy taught me well, I'd probably blow the dude's willy off the map myownself.

/wouldn't want to
//cause I like most willies
 
2010-03-18 12:36:29 PM
Did anyone actually read the comments posted on the site? It's hilarious the trolls that stopped by and offered support for the guy who was choking his ex-girlfriend ("she was sloppy drunk at the bar", "he would never hurt a fly", "the father wanted to murder him", "my penis is big", etc)
 
2010-03-18 12:51:16 PM
Little Bear: As a father with a daughter:

1. I wouldn't miss. Repeatedly. In the head.
2. I would not provide medical assistance to the assailant. He wouldn't need it.


All ITG nonsense aside, it's not exactly doing right by your daughter to spend the rest of her childhood in prison. Just sayin'.

/reality check
 
2010-03-18 12:53:49 PM
Jinx Malone: Jakevol2: AMurderOfCrows: Jakevol2: Clete Orris: Jakevol2: Perhaps I have the intellectual ability of a gnat.

FTFY


Did you think of that all by yourself? I hope your LD teacher gives you a gold star and a cookie.

Don't you have somewhere to be? I mean, isn't there a place for intellectually inferior troglodytes of your level and caliber? Maybe /b/ at 4chan? Or is being edgy there just too hard for you? I know, they're mostly twelve and all over there, but you need to deal with your own mental and emotional peer group on a regular basis or you'll never figure out how to properly escalate your trolling to a refined, subtle thing like other Farkers I could name.

Intellectually inferior? Troglodyte? You offend ME! You should get down on your knees and pray vainly to what ever false god you claim as your own that I grace you with my presence and dain you worthy of my opinion. You have no cause to claim any intellectual high ground what so ever. You deserve sanctions, but mercy must be weighed as well. Your lot in life as a gas pump jockey, I am sure, is punishment enough.

...you misspelled "deign", there, supergenius

/just sayin...


just checking to see if anyone was paying attention.
 
2010-03-18 12:54:43 PM
OregonVet: Jakevol2: sorry to hear you have permanent butthurt. Is there some kind of cream you can get for that?

You should avoid threads with any controversy whatsoever. Your FARKy: (favorite: Holy shiat this guy is dumb/posts he's taking mom to ER)


Except that I DID take my mom to the ER, jag-off. Go eat a bullet.
 
2010-03-18 01:31:34 PM
Hi, Jakevol. We've never interacted on here before. In fact, I've never really noticed you up til now. Apparently some people have.
I won't call you worthless, because that's just not true, I'm sure.
But have you ever really thought about the effect your own attitude has on the people around you, IRL and on message boards? I mean, I know that takes fun out of it. Just wondering.
 
2010-03-18 01:43:26 PM
lasergoose: Hi, Jakevol. We've never interacted on here before. In fact, I've never really noticed you up til now. Apparently some people have.
I won't call you worthless, because that's just not true, I'm sure.
But have you ever really thought about the effect your own attitude has on the people around you, IRL and on message boards? I mean, I know that takes fun out of it. Just wondering.


I am hoping my attitude is rubbing off on people. There is a lot of ignorance and stupidity and I just want to help people become a little more enlightened and educated. I want people to think more critically and less reactionary. If you notice most of the insults in here are aimed at me as well as any attempt at discreditation. Sadly, I think the reason behind it is because people are scared that they may not be intelligent and will never think and act in a logical manner. I believe the solution to every thing is not "aim a gun at it." And by several people's ugly reactions to my opinion I am tempered further to believe these are exactly the sort of people who do not need to own or even handle a gun. I pity these sort of short-sighted people.
 
2010-03-18 02:10:32 PM
Mayhem_2006: DoctorOfLove:
the only gun that works first time, every time, wherever you aim, is a 12 gauge.

A shotgun is hardly the optimum choice of weapon for shooting a guy that's got hold of your daughter, though.


My shotgun with federal LE low recoil buckshot makes one 3 inch hole in a target from 15 feet or so, and with good slugs I get 5 inch patterns at 100 yards, and it's a cylinder bore. I'd rather have a long gun at nearly any distance than a handgun if I had to make a crucial shot (and when *isn't* firing a gun in defense a crucial shot?) due to more effective calibers, better ergonomics and a longer sight plane.

Handguns are convenient and eminently portable, but they are a poor compromise when you need to take down a man sized target.
 
2010-03-18 02:11:43 PM
Froman: Little Bear: As a father with a daughter:

1. I wouldn't miss. Repeatedly. In the head.
2. I would not provide medical assistance to the assailant. He wouldn't need it.

All ITG nonsense aside, it's not exactly doing right by your daughter to spend the rest of her childhood in prison. Just sayin'.

/reality check


Know how I know you DNRTFA?
And besides, he acted fully within the law and no charges have been pressed. But you would already know that if you RTFA.
 
2010-03-18 02:14:15 PM
Jakevol2: Wayfarer's Freedom: Yay! A positive gun story.

No such thing.

The Gun is good! Penis is evil! The Penis shoots Seeds, and makes new Life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the Gun shoots Death and purifies the Earth of the filth of Brutals. Go forth, and kill! Zardoz has spoken.
 
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