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(azfamily.com)   Dad leaps from a second story window and shoots his daughter's boyfriend in the groin when he sees him beating her up, guaranteeing whoever dates her in the future will always get her home before curfew   (azfamily.com) divider line 308
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2010-03-17 11:35:46 PM
www.movieactors.com

"Anything happens to my daughter, I got a .45 and a shovel, I doubt anybody would miss you."
 
2010-03-17 11:36:34 PM
At a certain point, however, I think you should stop having your dad do that

So it's ok to be beaten to death if you're over 21?
 
2010-03-17 11:38:59 PM
TheBigJerk: King Something: Dancin_In_Anson: King Something: Not too many men out there who would NOT use a gun to defend their daughter if necessary.

$10 says a few of them will how up in this tread.

How?

It is not so clear a line as some might think, this "self-defense as extends to family" question. Consider these hypothetical situations:

-An over-21 boy starts a drunken bar fight, gets knocked down, his father shoots his attacker "in self-defense."
Is this situation different if it's two women?


Stop. Right. There.

The dad would need to be flogged for breaking up a good clothes-tearing opportunity. Giggity.
 
2010-03-17 11:39:26 PM
TheHopeDiamond: At a certain point, however, I think you should stop having your dad do that

So it's ok to be beaten to death if you're over 21?


maybe if women would get past thinking that dating "bad boys" are a good idea. Ladies: he is not misunderstood! You are not going to change him!
 
2010-03-17 11:40:59 PM
The dad rocks... though three warnings... really? The scum bag is lucky to still be breathing.
 
2010-03-17 11:41:53 PM
downtownant: pwhp_67: downtownant: so all you limp wrist sissy-ass liberals need to


I'm a liberal, I own a gun, and I'm siding with the dad...

Sorry! I mean the limp wrist gun hating liberals.


Nice backpedaling.

/sterotypes are fun!!
//liberal but lives by Ted Nugents mantra of "kill it and grill it"
///actually I'm probably more in the middle because I just don't care.
 
2010-03-17 11:42:38 PM
www.brightestyoungthings.com

Just be glad the man didn't have a pig farm.
 
2010-03-17 11:43:06 PM
Burn_Atlanta: Take a look at the size and strength of a man vs. a woman. You really think a double standard is not good? Ever heard of an article of clothing called a "husband beater?"

Yeah. My abusive ex used the term frequently to describe her tank-tops. She was a big biatch too.
 
2010-03-17 11:45:12 PM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

It's also the shot that can be taken with the least hesitation. Almost every honest citizen will hesitate before taking a shot aimed higher. For a good reason - we value life and know that the consequences of pulling the trigger cannot be undone.


It's definitely risking a potentially fatal injury, if the person catches the leg they run the chance of bursting the femoral artery.
 
2010-03-17 11:47:47 PM
Froman: Sir Charles: if guns were outlawed...

... someone would have probably been stabbed to death.

I see your point. You can't just run away from a guy with a knife while unarmed, because that would just be unmanly.


Actually interesting side line... people are more afraid of knives than of guns. Which kind of makes since... guns are relatively new compared to knives... so maybe somewhere in our primitive brain we associate a blade with danger, triggering our primitive fears.
 
2010-03-17 11:47:47 PM
Perhaps a better submission would have been...

Fuches will be f*ching no more...

Or

Fuches...Fuches with the wrong Daddy
 
2010-03-17 11:48:13 PM
Walker: In the UK the father would have been locked up for a minimum of 5 years while the guy who got shot in the groin would be called a victim who had his human rights violated. He would then be supported by the nanny state, given tons of money, and a big house on a council estate to live in. True story bro.

THEY DONT HAVE GUNS THERE YOU DUMB fark
 
2010-03-17 11:48:54 PM
In my family the gun may not have been handy, but fists would have been there. Oh and the rest of the males in the family would have gotten a call at some point, and than the real planning would have started.

//I have seen them discussing "encouraging" a jack*** to go about his business and leave one of my cousins alone--scary

/my husband understands mess with me and get all them after you (my dad and bro in the lead), and than deal with me and my mom in court (she has already screwed two guys in divorce). It is a good thing that we get along so well and have very few issues between us.
 
2010-03-17 11:49:25 PM
Smackledorfer: Kurmudgeon: "During that ride, the two apparently got into an argument about their breakup.

When the pair arrived at the house, the woman got out of Fuches' vehicle and kicked it. Police said Fuches then got out of the vehicle and started choking the woman."

This in no way justifies the guy, but some guys think of their car before themselves and who knows what else. So don't kick the car, the car didn't do anything. This response this generates is rarely rational. Sad but true.

Good, anyone who puts their car that far ahead of people deserve having their nuts shut off.

I hate those douchebags, if you can't tell.


Those are the kind of douches that would hit a person with their car, and their only concern would be the dents on their car.
 
2010-03-17 11:50:01 PM
BOOM! Head shot!
 
2010-03-17 11:52:19 PM
FTFA - The two apparently had a drink and then Fuches

Yeah! That's the kind of night I'm talking about! Wooooweeeee!
 
2010-03-17 11:52:36 PM
Latinwolf: Smackledorfer: Kurmudgeon: "During that ride, the two apparently got into an argument about their breakup.

When the pair arrived at the house, the woman got out of Fuches' vehicle and kicked it. Police said Fuches then got out of the vehicle and started choking the woman."

This in no way justifies the guy, but some guys think of their car before themselves and who knows what else. So don't kick the car, the car didn't do anything. This response this generates is rarely rational. Sad but true.

Good, anyone who puts their car that far ahead of people deserve having their nuts shut off.

I hate those douchebags, if you can't tell.

Those are the kind of douches that would hit a person with their car, and their only concern would be the dents on their car.


Dude! You know how much it costs to get a dent out of a car? it costs a lot! I would be concerned too!
 
2010-03-17 11:54:30 PM
Froman: Knucklepopper: Why the fark did she go home with the douchebag?
This father would have been better off raising his daughter to be responsible for herself instead of engaging in the melodrama of rising to defend her.

You're seriously asking this? Really? What cave on what planet have you been living on?


Obviously she's an idiot. She went home with him, and then kicks his car. I can't imagine she had no idea he had a temper like he showed, and she did escalate the situation. She's an idiot, obviously.
 
2010-03-17 11:55:37 PM
Latinwolf: Those are the kind of douches that would hit a person with their car, and their only concern would be the dents on their car.

Can I come over and kick your car then? What's your deductible?
 
2010-03-17 11:56:01 PM
queenstacela: In my family the gun may not have been handy, but fists would have been there. Oh and the rest of the males in the family would have gotten a call at some point, and than the real planning would have started.

//I have seen them discussing "encouraging" a jack*** to go about his business and leave one of my cousins alone--scary

/my husband understands mess with me and get all them after you (my dad and bro in the lead), and than deal with me and my mom in court (she has already screwed two guys in divorce). It is a good thing that we get along so well and have very few issues between us.


I feel bad for your husband, living under the proverbial sword of Damocles every minute of every day. Tell me, if he tells you that your favorite pair of pants makes you look fat while you're OTR, is he going to get beat to within an inch of his life and judicially raped?

/srsly?
//troll?
 
2010-03-17 11:56:17 PM
davidphogan: Froman: Knucklepopper: Why the fark did she go home with the douchebag?
This father would have been better off raising his daughter to be responsible for herself instead of engaging in the melodrama of rising to defend her.

You're seriously asking this? Really? What cave on what planet have you been living on?

Obviously she's an idiot. She went home with him, and then kicks his car. I can't imagine she had no idea he had a temper like he showed, and she did escalate the situation. She's an idiot, obviously.


I have a sneaking suspiscion that the two were just acting out some kind of kinky rape/rough sex role play and the dad got a little too nosy. Let the kids have some fun,
DAD!
 
2010-03-18 12:00:57 AM
queenstacela: In my family the gun may not have been handy, but fists would have been there. Oh and the rest of the males in the family would have gotten a call at some point, and than the real planning would have started.

//I have seen them discussing "encouraging" a jack*** to go about his business and leave one of my cousins alone--scary

/my husband understands mess with me and get all them after you (my dad and bro in the lead), and than deal with me and my mom in court (she has already screwed two guys in divorce). It is a good thing that we get along so well and have very few issues between us.


Yea, you sound like a prize.
 
2010-03-18 12:03:03 AM
queenstacela: In my family the gun may not have been handy, but fists would have been there. Oh and the rest of the males in the family would have gotten a call at some point, and than the real planning would have started.

//I have seen them discussing "encouraging" a jack*** to go about his business and leave one of my cousins alone--scary

/my husband understands mess with me and get all them after you (my dad and bro in the lead), and than deal with me and my mom in court (she has already screwed two guys in divorce). It is a good thing that we get along so well and have very few issues between us.


TITS or GTFO
 
2010-03-18 12:09:07 AM
Wow, looking through the comments, pathetic from the farkers... No one noticed that the story doesn't make sense. The dad shot the guy in the leg, and so the guy still comes at him with a rock. Even if you ignore how unlikely that is, how does dad shoot the guy in the crotch without stepping way outta the way?

Something about this doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately, this is in Arizona, which means no one with a brain is reporting, and no one with a brain is will be in the court. Ah, well.
 
2010-03-18 12:09:12 AM
Second shot (and a few subsequent) should have been to center mass.
 
2010-03-18 12:13:30 AM
Two in the chest.No debate, no trial.
 
2010-03-18 12:15:28 AM
Lithanus: is will be in the court. Ah, well.

Corrected
 
2010-03-18 12:17:23 AM
cryinoutloud: I wonder why this is the accepted version of what happened. I bet the young man is saying something else. did the daughter's and the father's stories match exactly, so they went with it?

This happened at 1:30 in the morning. I doubt there were any witnesses


There's also this:
Investigators at the home said the woman suffered injuries consistent with being choked and dragged through gravel. She was treated at the scene, but was not taken to the hospital.

You know, that physical evidence thing.
 
2010-03-18 12:18:20 AM
haemaker: He's good. By the time he got to the leg and groin shootings it was self defense.

As a criminal defense attorney I think this is the most important part...

FTA: The father, who also called the police, rendered aid to Fuches until paramedics arrived.

The fact he shot him in an area that wouldn't necessarily kill him, and then rendered aid, shows that he didn't really want to kill, and only did what was necessary to protect his daughter and himself. No jury in the world will convict him because no grand jury will ever return an indictment.
 
2010-03-18 12:21:10 AM
skinink: The father took away the kid's weapon.

Both of them.


There ya go. That's what I came for.
 
2010-03-18 12:22:39 AM
pvrhye: skinink: The father took away the kid's weapon.

Both of them.

There ya go. That's what I came for.


ooooooh Sin City reference, how edgy.
 
2010-03-18 12:23:18 AM
Hmmmmm. I say in a few hours the daughter will be back to her abusive boyfriend and the dad will be kicking himself in the balls.
 
2010-03-18 12:24:20 AM
cowsspinach: Hmmmmm. I say in a few hours the daughter will be back to her abusive boyfriend and the dad will be kicking himself in the balls.

You can't fight true love.
 
2010-03-18 12:29:21 AM
Good show Pappy. Hopefully your daughter won't just go back to him because she 'just makes him so angry, so it's not his fault'.
 
2010-03-18 12:29:59 AM
Ashtrey: Good show Pappy. Hopefully your daughter won't just go back to him because she 'just makes him so angry, so it's not his fault'.

but you know she will.
 
2010-03-18 12:30:33 AM
www.a-human-right.com
 
2010-03-18 12:30:45 AM
Anyone else catch that the reporter quotes a WIKIPEDIA article as a source for information he probably could have gotten by checking out the state government website?! (About 1 minute into the video)

Seriously? When did Wikipedia become a reliable source?!
 
2010-03-18 12:34:31 AM
Jakevol2: cowsspinach: Hmmmmm. I say in a few hours the daughter will be back to her abusive boyfriend and the dad will be kicking himself in the balls.

You can't fight true love.


Who am I kidding? True love is when the guy you love knocks you around and hurts you.
 
2010-03-18 12:36:02 AM
cowsspinach: Jakevol2: cowsspinach: Hmmmmm. I say in a few hours the daughter will be back to her abusive boyfriend and the dad will be kicking himself in the balls.

You can't fight true love.

Who am I kidding? True love is when the guy you love knocks you around and hurts you.


Unfortunately there are a lot of women who truly believe this.
 
2010-03-18 12:45:27 AM
Jakevol2: Unfortunately there are a lot of women who truly believe this.

I don't think they believe it so much as they're so emotionally abused that they've been taught to believe that, and feel that they don't deserve better.

Then there's the odd train of thought that says it's better to be with an abusive "lover" than to be alone. And their lives are so pathetic/shiatty that they don't deserve anyone else (in their minds).

Most of these asshats that beat women convince their girlfriends/wives that they're the best they'll ever get and that they're lucky to be with them.
 
2010-03-18 12:46:16 AM
cowsspinach: Who am I kidding? True love is when the guy you love knocks you around and hurts you.

If you go kicking guys' cars that may be true.
 
2010-03-18 12:58:21 AM
Smackledorfer: The Invisible Sky Wizard: Burn_Atlanta: Urinal Gum: Domestic violence is where we have are biggest double standard.

Take a look at the size and strength of a man vs. a woman. You really think a double standard is not good?

Christ you're an idiot.

seconded


And a couple of "Jersey Shore" fans check in with their opinions. Even stop and wonder why there are no battered men's shelters?
 
2010-03-18 01:03:59 AM
davidphogan: cowsspinach: Who am I kidding? True love is when the guy you love knocks you around and hurts you.

If you go kicking guys' slashing their car tires that may be true.
 
2010-03-18 01:06:51 AM
JeffreyScott:
As a criminal defense attorney I think this is the most important part...

FTA: The father, who also called the police, rendered aid to Fuches until paramedics arrived.

The fact he shot him in an area that wouldn't necessarily kill him, and then rendered aid, shows that he didn't really want to kill, and only did what was necessary to protect his daughter and himself. No jury in the world will convict him because no grand jury will ever return an indictment.



THIS.

Most people won't/don't shoot at the center of mass because they don't want to kill. The legal system looks favorably at this behavior.

Farkers suggesting that the dad should have blasted the bejesus outta the guy are wrong. Real life is full of uncertainty. If you kill someone you need to be certain that you're justified.

/Take the scrotum shot
//Let the judge sort it out, not the coroner
 
2010-03-18 01:10:26 AM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.


They should probably teach you some basic anatomy first in gun class. You aim for the groin and unless you hit all-ball you're probably dealing with a severed iliac or femoral artery.
 
2010-03-18 01:11:28 AM
Old_Chief_Scott: I don't know, I don't think this father is all that smart. If he had a long gun (and it doesn't have to be some super caliber thing, a .22 would be fine) he could have saved himself all of the potential for injury with that jumping out of a window onto his car crap. Instead, he could have remained comfortably ensconced in his home, and then used the stairs when it came time to attend to his bleeding target.

Honestly, people just don't think it through.


However, I challenge you to ever top this guys story in a bar. Perhaps his cunning plan WAS thought all the way thru and he just has different priorities than you.
 
2010-03-18 01:11:40 AM
cookiefleck: Sigh...my dad was/is a teddy bear....I woulda loved to see him put the fear of god into a couple of the snotty douche bags I dated when I was a teenager...At a certain point, however, I think you should stop having your dad do that...

Oh, you mean by not bringing yourself into contact with those kind of people in the first place? Her first mistake was getting into the car with her ex-boyfriend.
 
2010-03-18 01:14:13 AM
vinn01: Smackledorfer: vinn01: The Invisible Sky Wizard: vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

You don't know much about human anatomy, do you?

I know enough. Here's a test of human anatomy:
Find a place higher on the body (and not the arms) with less risk.

/crickets

Heard of the femoral?

Heard of internal organs?

Yes, you might hit the femoral with a scrotum shot. But higher up on the body, the risk of hitting an internal organ is greater.


Yeah, so what?

Most of your abdominal organs are hollow and aren't crucial to be operational 100% of the time in order to live. If you've never witnessed how fast someone with a femoral artery can die, I'll attest to the fact it's an order of magnitude faster than someone with a traumatic bowel or bladder injury.
 
2010-03-18 01:26:12 AM
hypocaffeinemia: You aim for the groin and unless you hit all-ball you're probably dealing with a severed iliac or femoral artery.

The sacroiliac? I hear that's like a rap-sack, backpack.
 
2010-03-18 01:28:08 AM
The_Terminator: Jakevol2: Unfortunately there are a lot of women who truly believe this.

I don't think they believe it so much as they're so emotionally abused that they've been taught to believe that, and feel that they don't deserve better.

Then there's the odd train of thought that says it's better to be with an abusive "lover" than to be alone. And their lives are so pathetic/shiatty that they don't deserve anyone else (in their minds).

Most of these asshats that beat women convince their girlfriends/wives that they're the best they'll ever get and that they're lucky to be with them.


Agreed, my ex used to hit me. She was a tiny thing and couldn't hit worth a damn so she wasn't particularly dangerous but I really feel she was trying to provoke me to hit her back. She was abused as a kid (by both parents)and could never quite believe I loved her as much as I claimed and I believe it's because she couldn't make me angry enough to swing back. I didn't care enough in her mind.
 
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