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(azfamily.com)   Dad leaps from a second story window and shoots his daughter's boyfriend in the groin when he sees him beating her up, guaranteeing whoever dates her in the future will always get her home before curfew   (azfamily.com) divider line 308
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2010-03-17 10:14:22 PM
I was aiming for his center of mass, officer, but in all the excitement and stress of the situation I accidentally hit him in the nuts and then right between the eyes.

I'm so emotionally distraught now...
 
2010-03-17 10:14:47 PM
Smackledorfer: Since the shooting can only be justified if you had to shoot to prevent death or serious bodily harm, you'd be hard pressed to make the argument that you were taking a justified shot while at the same time risking that death or bodily harm that might result when you miss because you felt like aiming at a smaller area of the body.

Ah, that does make sense.
 
2010-03-17 10:16:56 PM
Smackledorfer: Its generally a good idea to explain a shooting as shooting to stop instead of shooting to punish or hurt someone in a manner that could be described by an attorney as an offensive shooting instead of a defensive one though.

Yes, when you're like a police department, and hire the average idiot off of the street who has never handled a gun in his life, and who gets a basic, cookie-cutter training course that any physically-fit 30 year old man could pass... you can't rely on marksmanship, not even in close quarters.
 
2010-03-17 10:17:13 PM
OregonVet: What a lousy marksman.
dj_bigbird: I'd say that he hit target he was aiming at.
false. He was aiming center mass and missed. I blame trigger control and failure to focus on the front sight.


TFA never said he was shooting for center of mass. He might have put it right where he wanted it. It is more likely that he wasn't expecting the guy to charge him after getting shot in the leg and just snapped the shot off without aiming.

I can't help but wonder if everyone would find it equally commendable if it were the woman choking the man and subsequently getting shot in the groin. Domestic violence is where we have are biggest double standard.

Men tend to be bigger and have the potential to do more damage. Statistically they also are more likely to be violent. Thus we see women as needing the protection more. Works same as with dogs. No-one cares about little dogs who tend to be violent or big dogs that tend not to be violent, but combine them and people are more likely to call the dog breed vicious.

Is it still a double standard if the extra protections given are useless? Never heard of anyone violent actually honoring a restraining order.

I'm not sure I'd want a known violent man recovering after getting shot in the balls.

Considering the hormonal effects of losing a nut, he might not be violent anymore.
 
2010-03-17 10:18:00 PM
Always shoot to kill...if the douche is dead he can't tell any side of the story. The dad will be lucky to not get charged and will 100% certainty be sued for pain and suffering.
 
2010-03-17 10:18:19 PM
ChadM89: Uhh... did anyone else notice the part about how the father took a shot FROM the second-story window before he went all crouching tiger/hidden dragon? And missed?

Warning shot, I assumed.

Some people actually stop attacking other people when a gun goes off in the vicinity. This drugged-out psycho may be an exception.
 
2010-03-17 10:18:25 PM
ChadM89: Uhh... did anyone else notice the part about how the father took a shot FROM the second-story window before he went all crouching tiger/hidden dragon? And missed?

If the guy was in the process of choking his daughter, that means said guy and said daughter were in very close proximity. Close enough that you don't just squeeze off a shot and hope you hit the right person.

I'm not saying he was in the wrong. I think everything he did after that was awesome. But dude. Don't take the shot from the window.


The first shot was clearly a warning shot, proly into the yard or hood of the car. SuperDad would have nailed him between the eyebrows if he wanted to. He's that good.
 
2010-03-17 10:19:05 PM
ChadM89: I'm not saying he was in the wrong. I think everything he did after that was awesome. But dude. Don't take the shot from the window.

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe it was just a warning shot or something, aimed nowhere near either of them. I know that when I'm chocking a biatch, a warning shot usually makes me turn tail and run.
 
2010-03-17 10:20:34 PM
I like that he "rendered aid" to help the guy after shooting him. Dad is awesome.
 
2010-03-17 10:21:00 PM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

It's also the shot that can be taken with the least hesitation. Almost every honest citizen will hesitate before taking a shot aimed higher. For a good reason - we value life and know that the consequences of pulling the trigger cannot be undone.


From one of the recent shot-in-the-groin threads:
"It is by will alone he sets his ballz in motion. It is by the squeeze of trigger that lead acquires speed, the scrotum acquires holes, the holes become a warning. It is by will alone he sets his ballz in motion."

/I make up different ones for various testicular injury threads, but these two were close enough
 
2010-03-17 10:21:18 PM
asmodeus224: Always shoot to kill...if the douche is dead he can't tell any side of the story.

For some people, taking the life of another, no matter what they are doing, is a hard choice. I know it's hard to understand for others.
 
2010-03-17 10:21:31 PM
...bud did she have to kick the car?
 
2010-03-17 10:21:44 PM
CarrieWhite: MissFeasance: She's still living with her parents at 27... wow.

Perhaps you've not noticed how baby boomers and the recession have priced young people out of the housing market.


Make all the excuses you want, but if you're still living with your parents at 27, you are, by definition, a loser.

/see, if you weren't a loser, you'd have entered the housing market by 27... or at least be able to afford rent, perhaps with a couple of room-mates your own age
 
2010-03-17 10:21:54 PM
I definitely pictured the father shooting the gun mid-leap matrix style.
 
2010-03-17 10:22:46 PM
CarrieWhite: MissFeasance: She's still living with her parents at 27... wow.

Perhaps you've not noticed how baby boomers and the recession have priced young people out of the housing market.



No shiat, I'm 27 and unfortunately living with my parents because I can't afford to live on my own right now. It sucks, but it's better than the streets. I'm saving every dime I can to move out, but it's slow going.

My dad is a total teddy bear as well, but with two daughters and an aluminum baseball bat in the garage....I don't doubt one iota that if my sister or I told him we were getting beat up by a boyfriend or he witnessed us getting assaulted by a boyfriend, he'd smash the farker's head in.
 
2010-03-17 10:23:20 PM
"After yelling at Fuches to stop choking his daughter, the 56-year-old man got his gun and fired a shot out the window."

I seriously doubt the dad was aiming at the ex-bf when he shot from the window. Pretty sure that was a warning shot.
 
2010-03-17 10:23:41 PM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.


You don't know much about human anatomy, do you?
 
2010-03-17 10:25:01 PM
Came for Cartman

/not disappointed.
 
2010-03-17 10:25:29 PM
jingks: asmodeus224: Always shoot to kill...if the douche is dead he can't tell any side of the story.

For some people, taking the life of another, no matter what they are doing, is a hard choice. I know it's hard to understand for others.


understood, but once in that situation your best option is to kill. The followup to wounding is a real hassle and it involves potential jailtime and civil judgements.

i am speaking to a general policy a gun owner should have - wounding is really really bad. A year later a meek and incapacitated thug is in court crying about how he can't walk again and you will look like an arsehole.
 
2010-03-17 10:25:35 PM
Was he shooting the Black Knight? WTF?

"Give it up, you're shot!"

"It's just a flesh wound..."
 
2010-03-17 10:25:45 PM
perhaps the first shot was a miss because he was not shooting at the boyfriend, since he did not want to risk the longer range shot with the pistol, and he was just hoping that a bullet being discharged while yelling at the boyfriend was convincing enough to get him to stop choking his daughter. Having your daughter choked out in front of you is not good, but shooting her by mistake is not good either, he may have decided to not risk it.

All supposition of course.
 
2010-03-17 10:26:31 PM
jingks: gadian: I've found that when faced with the idea (fabricated or not) of domestic violence, judges are going to judge on the side of caution and issue whatever restraining order can be issued, even if the alleged attacker is female. I know this.

Is there anything all that bad that can come from a restraining order? Is it a permanent mark on your record, or if you follow it does it just disappear? If it's the latter, I see no reason not to err on the side of caution.


Restraining orders are generally granted if asked for, by either sex. After all, if you've reached that point, why would either one of you need contact with the other? Sometimes they're granted with stipulations like "you have to give him all his clothes back within two days" or "she'll come over to get her stuff out of the house on Tuesday, with a cop." If it's a divorce with kids, it gets more complicated, but they're still generally granted. Everything is spelled out in the order--who can be contacted, who can't be, if there's any exceptions (like if you work at the same place, god forbid), and how long it is in effect.

It does stay on your record though. I think the court system realizes now that a restraining order doesn't necessarily mean that you're a violent nut--it's just a precaution, or even a psycho ex lying their ass off. That said, please don't go ask for a restraining order if your ex calls you and says "I could kick your ass" and has never shown any indication of violence before. That just makes everybody look stupid. They are sometimes abused, just like those domestic abuse phone calls are.

A domestic violence conviction is a much bigger red flag. Restraining order not so much, unless you have more than one. THEN you might have something to worry about.
 
2010-03-17 10:26:34 PM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

It's also the shot that can be taken with the least hesitation. Almost every honest citizen will hesitate before taking a shot aimed higher. For a good reason - we value life and know that the consequences of pulling the trigger cannot be undone.


This seems horribly dangerous. Perhaps more knowledgeable farkers can come in on this, but hitting the femoral arteries is potentially fatal. As far as I know, the potential is high, but I could be wrong on that point.
 
2010-03-17 10:27:17 PM
If the first shot was in the nuts he probably didn't notice the horrible pain until three seconds later when he got shot in the leg.
 
2010-03-17 10:28:17 PM
Approves:

media.ign.com

/was a good first episode
 
2010-03-17 10:28:31 PM
runslothrun: "Who's the Dad with the big, big gun?...'

"Who's the Dad who kills for fun?..."

"Psycho Dad...Psycho Dad..."

/better not be obscure


NO MA'AM!
 
2010-03-17 10:29:45 PM
If you hit the femoral artery, the person will bleed out within minutes. Same as if you hit the jugular vein or sever the aorta. So yeah, aiming for the groin might look like a good idea because in your mind you're not aiming for their face or anything, but if you don't have the veins/arteries of the body mapped out in your head, you can easily kill them without realizing it.
 
2010-03-17 10:29:59 PM
BUTTERS! YOU DO NOT SHOOT A GUY IN THE NUTS!
 
2010-03-17 10:30:48 PM
Probably only in the UK, California, or Massachusetts would the dad be in trouble.
 
2010-03-17 10:32:36 PM
Did he fire the gun whilst jumping through the air?
 
2010-03-17 10:34:19 PM
but at this point, the woman's father has not been charged with anything.

Sweet, but really it's the way it ought to be.

Yes, I'm a Libural

Am too!
 
2010-03-17 10:34:25 PM
bmihura: Probably only in the UK, California, or Massachusetts would the dad be in trouble.

Probably Australia too, you never know what the new illegal thing of the day is with those guys.
 
2010-03-17 10:34:32 PM
Now, a real class act would be if the dad offered the guy a balls transplant. I figure the boyfriend had, at most, one-half of a functioning nut to start with, and the dad clearly has at least five.
 
2010-03-17 10:35:17 PM
jingks: vinn01: Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

femoral artery?



Possibly, but unfortunate. Every shot carries risk. Anything higher on the body has much more risk. Anything lower on the body is not effective in getting control of a situation that justified the shooting.
 
2010-03-17 10:37:30 PM
I wonder why this is the accepted version of what happened. I bet the young man is saying something else. did the daughter's and the father's stories match exactly, so they went with it?

This happened at 1:30 in the morning. I doubt there were any witnesses
 
2010-03-17 10:39:05 PM
vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

It's also the shot that can be taken with the least hesitation. Almost every honest citizen will hesitate before taking a shot aimed higher. For a good reason - we value life and know that the consequences of pulling the trigger cannot be undone.


God in heaven I hope no adult lets you near a firearm.

You don't show your gun unless you are willing to draw, you don't draw unless you are willing to shoot, and you don't shoot unless you are willing to kill. If you aren't willing to kill then carrying does more harm than good, because now you could be giving someone else who might be willing but not able the means to kill you.

I've never had to shoot someone, but if I have to, and I don't pee my pants and run away crying, the plan is to keep squeezing the trigger until I hear a click instead of a bang.
 
2010-03-17 10:40:22 PM
demonocracy21: Did he fire the gun whilst jumping through the air?

How about two guns whilst jumping through the air?
 
2010-03-17 10:41:40 PM
somemoron: Old_Chief_Scott: MAYORBOB: The father hasn't been charged and the ex-boyfriend is half nuts about it.



*clap*

*clap*

*clap*

I just realized I've been around here too long when I immediately pictured the Joker clapping. I need help.


Citizen Kane here
 
2010-03-17 10:42:04 PM
There is no doubt that I would , if it was my princess, have ended his need for care.

He is my hero
Two thumbs up!!
 
2010-03-17 10:43:25 PM
RembrandtQEinstein: the plan is to keep squeezing the trigger until I hear a click instead of a bang.


I said in another thread that this is what I'd do if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night. That started a whole shiatstorm of how I'll have to prove my life was in danger.

I stand by that plan though. When I'm asked why I fired so many shots and why I didn't do this, that, or the other thing first I plan on stating that I am NOT Wyatt farking Earp and I wasn't taking any chances that this asshole would injure my family...
 
2010-03-17 10:44:25 PM
The Invisible Sky Wizard: vinn01: My favorite: the scrotum shot.

That shot should be taught, and practiced, in every gun class. Aim for below the belt, high on the thigh, and centered as best you can. Will get attention in most situations without risking potentially fatal injuries.

You don't know much about human anatomy, do you?


I know enough. Here's a test of human anatomy:
Find a place higher on the body (and not the arms) with less risk.

/crickets
 
2010-03-17 10:48:00 PM
puffy999: Smackledorfer: Its generally a good idea to explain a shooting as shooting to stop instead of shooting to punish or hurt someone in a manner that could be described by an attorney as an offensive shooting instead of a defensive one though.

Yes, when you're like a police department, and hire the average idiot off of the street who has never handled a gun in his life, and who gets a basic, cookie-cutter training course that any physically-fit 30 year old man could pass... you can't rely on marksmanship, not even in close quarters.


1. Well, thats why I mentioned expert. It is true that the minimum levels for most law enforcement are kind of laughable.

2. My point stands about being accurate under high stress conditions though.

3. Have you been in a life and death situation with a pistol before, such that you can claim superiority? Just curious. I hope you aren't just some tool who watched an action movie where some actor manages to shoot out tires with their non-gun hand while driving 60 mpg and sticking a head out the window.
 
2010-03-17 10:48:41 PM
OregonVet: What a lousy marksman.

Is a warning shot supposed to hit the guy?

Anyway, they shouldn't charge the father.
 
2010-03-17 10:49:03 PM
vinn01: Find a place higher on the body (and not the arms) with less risk.

Toes!
 
2010-03-17 10:49:39 PM
jingks: vinn01: Find a place higher on the body (and not the arms) with less risk.

Toes!


Dammit. Reading fail :(

Ears?
 
2010-03-17 10:50:10 PM
RembrandtQEinstein: the plan is to keep squeezing the trigger until I hear a click instead of a bang.


I said in another thread that this is what I'd do if someone broke into my house in the middle of the night. That started a whole shiatstorm of how I'll have to prove my life was in danger.

I stand by that plan though. When I'm asked why I fired so many shots and why I didn't do this, that, or the other thing first I plan on stating that I am NOT Wyatt farking Earp and I wasn't taking any chances that this asshole would injure my family...



Here I Nevada that is how we roll. No problem with the law
 
2010-03-17 10:51:23 PM
You don't blow a man's junk off and leave him alive unless you want to watch over your shoulder for the rest of your short life.
 
2010-03-17 10:51:38 PM
The second time I looked at the story, the picture of the guy came through. He looks like he needed shooting.
 
2010-03-17 10:52:12 PM
he could have accomplished the same thing with the same intended result by calmly and rationally talking to the young man about how his behavior is unacceptable. There was no need, as there is never a need, for a gun to come into the situation.
 
2010-03-17 10:53:05 PM
jingks: jingks: vinn01: Find a place higher on the body (and not the arms) with less risk.

Toes!

Dammit. Reading fail :(

Ears?


I thought the joke was hilarious, "Heh, toes, that guy's junk drags on the ground" then you had to go ruin it.
 
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