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2010-03-17 08:56:55 AM  
Frattin laid him out and probably deserved the major but a suspension? It didn't look all that bad - if Wehrs head hadn't been down, he wouldn't have been caught off-guard. You can almost see Frattin pull up to try to clear his head once he's into him.

Regardless, I'll bet Wehrs won't have his head down next time he goes for the puck.

And: Sioux Yeah Yeah!
 
2010-03-17 10:01:19 AM  
Notre Dame?
 
2010-03-17 10:08:06 AM  
I didn't really need to watch the whole four and a half minutes, did I?
>Yyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwn
 
2010-03-17 10:09:58 AM  
Bloodcorn: I didn't really need to watch the whole four and a half minutes, did I?
>Yyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwn


ya could have just closed it. you do still have free will.
 
2010-03-17 10:10:03 AM  
Charlie Freak: Frattin laid him out and probably deserved the major but a suspension? It didn't look all that bad - if Wehrs head hadn't been down, he wouldn't have been caught off-guard. You can almost see Frattin pull up to try to clear his head once he's into him.

Regardless, I'll bet Wehrs won't have his head down next time he goes for the puck.

And: Sioux Yeah Yeah!


It was charging. Not sure what the American college rules are like but just about everywhere certain types of injuries on a charging call is an automatic 5 and a game and then of course the league will review for additional punishment.
 
2010-03-17 10:18:22 AM  
Jesus. H. Christ. That was brutal.


Bloodcorn: I didn't really need to watch the whole four and a half minutes, did I?
>Yyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwn


the hit was like 30 seconds in. No one told you to watch the whole thing. What were you waiting for? An actual train to come barreling through the rink?
 
2010-03-17 10:18:37 AM  
At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.
 
2010-03-17 10:19:19 AM  
Screw the hit, that move in the corner during the first 5 seconds of the video was super pimp. I'm surprised we don't see that more often.
 
2010-03-17 10:26:56 AM  
I clicked on the link thinking it was for this commercial (new window).

The greatest ad campaign of all time, and no one can tell me different.

/Linked video wasn't too bad, for college hockey.
 
2010-03-17 10:30:50 AM  
Obscure Login: I clicked on the link thinking it was for this commercial (new window).

The greatest ad campaign of all time, and no one can tell me different.

/Linked video wasn't too bad, for college hockey.


holy shiat. ive never seen that before. That was awesome.
 
2010-03-17 10:36:41 AM  
I don't follow hockey so I have no opinion on the correctness of the call, but that Frattin should have gotten some points for the very nice landing after the collision. Moving backwards even. There should be a penalty reduction or something if you can hurt somebody with style.
 
2010-03-17 10:37:38 AM  
Dogfacedgod: Notre Dame?

North Dakota, but college isn't exactly a hotbed of imagination.
 
2010-03-17 10:40:36 AM  
www.accesshollywood.com

HAY EVERYBODY HERE COMES THE CHOO CHOO!
 
2010-03-17 10:47:18 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

THE TRAINS GO CHOO CHOOOOO!!!!

/know what I'm sayin'?
 
2010-03-17 10:47:56 AM  
He deserved a charge, but he never left his feet until after the hit, so I'm a little tired of hearing that.

At any rate, he'll miss the game against the Bulldogs tomorrow. Go Sioux!
 
2010-03-17 11:00:32 AM  
Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.
 
2010-03-17 11:15:10 AM  
First Greenlight!

I was at the game, I disagree with the suspension, but damn was it awesome live.

Go Sioux

/will be at the game tomorrow
 
2010-03-17 11:19:21 AM  
astrotri: You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.

Okay, Woog. Watch again at 2:40. He deserved the charge call, no doubt, but he left his feet after initial contact.
 
2010-03-17 11:27:32 AM  
astrotri: Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.


Actually, you're wrong.

Link (new window)
 
2010-03-17 11:32:38 AM  
Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

Uh... he was clearly in the act of jumping as he was hitting the guy.

a4dzac: Okay, Woog. Watch again at 2:40. He deserved the charge call, no doubt, but he left his feet after initial contact.

Looks to me there like his feet had already left the ice by the time his shoulder hits. Its somewhat hard to tell from the angle and the bluriness, but definitely one of his feet is up and it looks like the leg he is pushing off with on the jump has left the ice as well but like I said its a little hard to tell.

But it is somewhat irrelevant since it was clearly charging regardles.
 
2010-03-17 11:36:04 AM  
i588.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-17 11:36:49 AM  
It was just a bad hit all around. Frattin did leave his feat or was in the process of doing so right before the hit. What makes it more obvious that Frattin was just going for the hit was Frattin initially moved towards the puck but then stopped going for it to set up the hit on Wehrs.
 
2010-03-17 11:37:10 AM  
wffsoccer: astrotri: Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.

Actually, you're wrong.

Link (new window)


Well there appears to be a big difference between those two angles. Because the angle from the video makes it look like he is leaving his feet as he lays the hit.

But the way the rules on charging are worded the blogger is somewhat wrong. Whether you leave your feet just before or just after the hit doesn't matter if it is still obvious that you were jumping in to the player to make the hit, which he was clearly doing. (unless the American college league is worded differently)

It was the right call on the ice either way, especially since the Ref doesn't have access to multiple camera angles and slow-mo replay when making a penalty call.
 
2010-03-17 11:38:19 AM  
wffsoccer: Actually, you're wrong.

I realize it's a crazy close call, but I don't see anything there. I believe he's made contact in Frame 2 and his feet are down. Even in Frame 3, his right skate is firmly palnted.

He got a game suspension...no big deal. The Sioux are already in the NCAA tourney so this weekend isn't do or die.
 
2010-03-17 11:38:41 AM  
a4dzac: astrotri: You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.

Okay, Woog. Watch again at 2:40. He deserved the charge call, no doubt, but he left his feet after initial contact.


I'd be inclined to agree with astroti on the jump issue. I'm aware that you're supposed to crouch and power your shoulder up and into your man, but that wasn't done properly/safely here. It was a reckless play either way (whether he left his feet or not), and not how the game was meant to be played (especially at the college level).

The hitter had 3" and 25 lbs on the hittee, and made the play, seemingly, with the intent of sending his opponents to the bench/locker room. I won't go so far as to say he intended to injure him, but it was much more than just separating the man form the puck.

/That said, there are better way to move that puck to the point and out without putting yourself in that position...
//What's a 'Woog'?
I'm glad they mandate full shields in the WCHA (or so it seems); this could have been much worse had he driven his shoulder directly into the other kid's face.
 
2010-03-17 11:40:11 AM  
entropic_existence: wffsoccer: astrotri: Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

You should watch the replay again because you're wrong.

Actually, you're wrong.

Link (new window)

Well there appears to be a big difference between those two angles. Because the angle from the video makes it look like he is leaving his feet as he lays the hit.

But the way the rules on charging are worded the blogger is somewhat wrong. Whether you leave your feet just before or just after the hit doesn't matter if it is still obvious that you were jumping in to the player to make the hit, which he was clearly doing. (unless the American college league is worded differently)

It was the right call on the ice either way, especially since the Ref doesn't have access to multiple camera angles and slow-mo replay when making a penalty call.


Don't disagree with you at all, however in no way was this a "dirty" hit as some are making it out to be.

What a dirty hit might look like (new window)
 
2010-03-17 11:41:25 AM  
Loomy: What's a 'Woog'?

Woog and Mazzocco are the Gopher announcers. The biggest homers in college hockey, most likely. They were essentially asking the G.F.P.D. to come arrest Frattin for the hit.
 
2010-03-17 11:43:45 AM  
www.sarahness.net
R.I.P. CH3COOH

/got nuthin'
 
2010-03-17 11:44:44 AM  
wffsoccer: Don't disagree with you at all, however in no way was this a "dirty" hit as some are making it out to be.

No, I wouldn't consider it a dirty hit either, an illegal and reckless hit yes but not deliberately dirty. Its usually the result of someone hitting with too much momentum and powering into the hit too much which causes them to leave their feet.

Know where the stills from the video linked on the blog are from? Because the youtube video linked here is from a totally different angle and gives a very different picture of the feet and their position through the hit, some of that probably do to the downward camera angle. I don't find still photos very useful unless I can watch the actual video in sequence as well.
 
2010-03-17 11:49:30 AM  
ActionJoe: It was just a bad hit all around. Frattin did leave his feat or was in the process of doing so right before the hit. What makes it more obvious that Frattin was just going for the hit was Frattin initially moved towards the puck but then stopped going for it to set up the hit on Wehrs.

This. Play dumb, get unfairly treated, no matter who you are. (See "Ovechkin, Alexander" for further explanation of this maxim.)

\not comparing the two other than to explain why both got suspensions
 
2010-03-17 11:51:36 AM  
wffsoccer: What a dirty hit might look like

Now, see, that guys needs spend a few weeks (months?) not playing in that league. The hit was already made, safely and respectfully, by the other guy, who also managed to one-hand the puck around to his teammate, and then this goon comes in and forearms the poor kid's head into the boards! fark, I hate hits like this.

a4dzac: Woog and Mazzocco are the Gopher announcers. (...)

Thanks. And to be fair, when compared to the hit in wffsoccer's vid, all Frattin's guilty of is a little too much enthusiasm in his approach to hitting. He certainly didn't skate into that corner to break someone's neck. He was sending a message that you can't just bend over and shovel the puck ahead without getting your bell rung. I don't think that should be part of the game, but what can I do.

/Knocked on your ass/flipped over with a hip check? Sure.
//Maybe I'm just a pansy when it comes to head shots...
 
2010-03-17 12:10:55 PM  
4 strides before impact + skates 2 ft. off the ice + puck 10 ft. away = 1 playoff game suspension.

Looks like this guy is an all around class act (new window).
 
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2010-03-17 12:21:09 PM  
knowyourmeme.com

/choo! choo!
 
2010-03-17 12:26:54 PM  
Loomy: //Maybe I'm just a pansy when it comes to head shots...

Apparently the NCAA rules make targeting of the head on a check illegal already. I didn't know that until today (probably because I don't watch american college hockey)
 
2010-03-17 12:27:27 PM  
Clicked hoping for this (new window)
 
2010-03-17 12:33:06 PM  
igotnothing: 4 strides before impact + skates 2 ft. off the ice + puck 10 ft. away = 1 playoff game suspension.

That's so full of fail...not even sure where to start, so I guess I'll just pretend it's a troll.
 
2010-03-17 01:00:56 PM  
crazycooter: Clicked hoping for this (new window)


*BEEP* *BEEP*
 
2010-03-17 01:03:34 PM  
a4dzac: i
That's so full of fail...not even sure where to start, so I guess I'll just pretend it's a troll.


You must be one the morons who think this is "cool."
 
2010-03-17 01:04:57 PM  
I'm getting sick of debating the legality of a hit. Did his feet leave the ice before the hit? Looked like it to me, but who farking cares? Even if he didn't, he tried to take the dude's head off. That should be illegal. The player is responsible for his body and showed no respect to his opponent.

We're down to the wire in most leagues and there is little to no talk of the scoring races or team situations. It's all dirty plays and headshots. It's ridiculous.

The Olympics/IIHF really exposed how stupid NA hockey can be. I love hard hockey, but I'm getting sick of this BS.

/end rant
 
2010-03-17 01:17:23 PM  
Raijer: You must be one the morons who think this is "cool."

No idea what you're even talking about. He deserved a 5-min major for charging. The suspension is questionable, but acceptable.

That said, nothing in igotnothing's post was remotely true...well, besides the fact that Frattin is one of those dolt athletes that can't manage to stay out of trouble away from the game.
 
2010-03-17 01:59:59 PM  
Guy has nothing on the Cole Train.

media.giantbomb.com
 
2010-03-17 02:07:23 PM  
a4dzac: igotnothing: 4 strides before impact + skates 2 ft. off the ice + puck 10 ft. away = 1 playoff game suspension.

That's so full of fail...not even sure where to start, so I guess I'll just pretend it's a troll.


Im not sure its means for a suspension, but its essentially the criteria for a charging penalty.
 
2010-03-17 02:13:06 PM  
www.sharkspage.com
Whooooo.....!
 
2010-03-17 02:20:38 PM  
When the guy's feet are that far off the ground in the midst of the hit, there's definitely shenanigans going on there. I'd have expected a suspension for that.

Hell of a hit, though.
 
2010-03-17 02:49:10 PM  
Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

I have to agree here. From my view he left his feet as a result of momentum, not before contact. It's a hard, clean hit the way I'm watching this.

I believe they call it "hockey".
 
2010-03-17 02:56:11 PM  
Annnnnnnnd another reason that hocky sucks.
 
2010-03-17 03:04:32 PM  
mikelepage: Headso: At first I thought it was charging but he did not jump until after contact, I think it was a bad call.

I have to agree here. From my view he left his feet as a result of momentum, not before contact. It's a hard, clean hit the way I'm watching this.

I believe they call it "hockey".


Except that there is a head shot rule in US College Hockey, so...

yeah, no. That would be an illegal hit.
 
2010-03-17 03:33:09 PM  
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2010-03-17 03:36:35 PM  
igotnothing: 4 strides before impact + skates 2 ft. off the ice + puck 10 ft. away = 1 playoff game suspension.

Looks like this guy is an all around class act (new window).


Not to be forgiving or anything but if I had just ruined any shot I may have had at a professional hockey career I'd be out drinking too.
 
2010-03-17 03:50:51 PM  
Seth'n'Spectrum: R.I.P. CH3COOH

Carboxyl group coming through COOH COOH
 
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