SPna15: I just realized the problem. It's people who expect an underground style of music to apeeal to them personally. If only the underground were more mainstream, then it would be awesome.

This stuff isn't underground, it's undertalented.

Patterson: Patterson: SPna15: I just realized the problem. It's people who expect an underground style of music to apeeal to them personally. If only the underground were more mainstream, then it would be awesome.

/bunch of wankers.

If only Suddocation had clean guitars, slower drumming and singing vocals!

Suffocation...

Shouldn't type while lying down...or drunk...

Suddocation! DEATH METAL BATHTIME MUSIC

barneyfifesbullet: SPna15: I just realized the problem. It's people who expect an underground style of music to apeeal to them personally. If only the underground were more mainstream, then it would be awesome.

This stuff isn't underground, it's undertalented.

Yes, Veil of Maya sucks, but I was referring to death and black metal.

Patterson: lol you don't know anything about metal, lolz

argh argh argh

AAARRRGGGHHHHH

barneyfifesbullet: Patterson: lol you don't know anything about metal, lolz

argh argh argh

AAARRRGGGHHHHH

RAAAAAAAAAGGGGH

Sunday Heavy Metal Shiat Pile strikes again.

There must be a million of these talentless hack "bands" out there screaming at 100-150 idiots a night.

Fark them, and the idiots who can't find the metal amongst the feces.

kab: cabritosaurio: "I listen to death metal"

"Oh, you mean like Suicide Silence, Bring Me the Horizon, The Black Dahlia Murder? and Veil of Maya?"


Wait.. if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of the pointless genre arguement alarm.

/I'd call them all death metal. Actually, I'd call them all metal.
//I really don't care what you'd call it.

Contrary to popular belief, proper genre knowledge does come in handy in certain situations. For instance, I used to be in an "old-skool" death metal band a few years ago- Think Obituary- Slowly we Rot, Death- Scream Bloody Gore, Pestilence etc. We had problems finding a permanent bassplayer (this was before the myspace age. We had about 3 guys try out - all talented, 2 of them with the emo haircut unfortunately-, but they all wanted to play metalcore/deathcore/mathcore or whatever the hell it is these newer bands are playing. One of them eventually stayed with us anyways for a year or 2 before demanding that some of the songs he had written be used as well. Naturally becuase his taste in metal was more melodic and "core-influenced" it did not work out. Had he learned proper genre distinction we wouldn't have had that mess in the first place. And this is my argument pro-genre argument, and probably also the reason I'm currently single.

/ 4 all the ladies

cabritosaurio: "I listen to death metal"

"Oh, you mean like Suicide Silence, Bring Me the Horizon, The Black Dahlia Murder? and Veil of Maya?"

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Lulz, I listened to those guys out of curiosity, that is some quality stuff right there. Suicide Silence was especially terrible. I can do cookie monster vocals just fine when done well and with good music, but this was just trash. Sounds incredibly juvenile for Hot Topic kids to sound bad ass.... BR00T4LLLLl!

SPna15: Yes, Veil of Maya sucks, but I was referring to death and black metal.

I enjoy some of it, but most of it is awful. The same that can be said for any genre of music.

as for the subject of this weeks discussion, eh. I shut it off about 1/2 way through the tune.

It occurred to me that they're just trying to fit 8 lbs of riffs and ideas in a 3 lb box, and the song might have been more interesting as an instrumental.

I like abrupt changes as much as the next guy.. but there's slick ways of doing it, and then there's this method.

Maybe I'm just old and like some breathing room in my music.

Still, talented musicians. They can all play circles around me.

kab:
I like abrupt changes as much as the next guy.. but there's slick ways of doing it, and then there's this method.

Funny, I regard transition as single most looked over item among new music acts. Personally, I love the way Death and Sepultura (BTR especially) were able to transfer from section to section seamlessly and it FELT right. The change is important but making the transition feel like it should be there is also key.

Oh, and my recommendation for this week, a band I don't think I've heard mentioned here much.

Textures - Laments of an Icarus

Link

(not save for cookie monster or growl vocal haters)

kab: It occurred to me that they're just trying to fit 8 lbs of riffs and ideas in a 3 lb box, and the song might have been more interesting as an instrumental.

That was my thought as well. I liked some of the riffs but they really needed to settle on a style and not mix and match in the same song.

eh, not bad. some of it sounds like they're trying too hard to be "technical metal" by throwing in as many changes as they can cram into a 3 and a half minute track. there's a tasteful way of throwing in changes and still maintain some kind of structure to the song.


/in before "are you retarded?"

I should have offered an alternative before slamming the growl metal.

In truth, maybe just not my cup of tea.

As a peace offering, my cup of tea:

Mutiny Within - Awake (new window - almost no cookies being requested)

crypticsatellite: cameroncrazy1984: I say you can be heavy without resorting to sounding like a puppet character.

Of course you can, but the "death metal growl" is part of the genre.

One can also be heavy without distorted guitars or without double bass drums.

What's the/your point?

Autotuned to the point of sounding like a humpback mating call is part of the pop genre. It is... not good.

shadowself: It's like they use the same muppet to sing every one of those songs.

I'm convinced the maker of Autotune also made a death metal growl machine.

wow, it's hip to troll about hating the growl now. it's almost a meme.

Artist's recreation of every SHMHC thread:

Cindy's the Hostess (new window)

I think both sides know who they are.

I listen for the lyrics.

/also watches pron for the acting.

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/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

BigSnatch: shadowself: Saborlas: Cookie Monster vocals are a coverup for not being able to carry a tune in a bucket.

In my opinion, they sound ridiculous. I don't understand the appeal - there is no melody, no lyrics (as they are impossible to understand), and no distinguishable difference in sound between any of the growlers. It's like they use the same muppet to sing every one of those songs.

The guy from Opeth can certainly sing, but I really wish he would do so instead of demanding cookies 99% of the time.


If the lyrics are impossible to understand then why do I understand them?

Sure some harsh vocals can be difficult to decipher, but after you listen them for awhile, they become easier to discern.

What I dislike is the Metalcore style of harsh vocals - straight yelling. I can't stand that stuff. Bullet for My Valentine is a prime example of this. The vocalist doesn't use any specific technique for harsh vocals and just yells at the mic.

The biggest detractor with the growling for me is the limitations it has while conveying the emotions of the lyrics. It's the same reason I dislike a lot of the 'yell' bands. Now, there are certain lyrical themes that do fit with growls quite well, but I enjoy a variety of lyrical themes.

I just can't believe anyone likes this stuff past their 17th birthday. This is really aimed at adolescent boys; Discordant, angry, angsty butt-rock for guys who think it sounds "badass" when it's really just a travesty and a crime against musical theory.

ZeroCorpse: I just can't believe anyone likes this stuff past their 17th birthday. This is really aimed at adolescent boys; Discordant, angry, angsty butt-rock for guys who think it sounds "badass" when it's really just a travesty and a crime against musical theory.

Dammit, I think I just sprained an eyeball from rolling them so hard.

ZeroCorpse: This is really aimed at adolescent boys;

yup, and their money is really green....imagine that, it's a lucrative business...


/that said, your music taste is no better than anyone else. this whole argument is farking pointless. let the metal fans have their ONE BLOODY LINK EVERY SUNDAY. the rest of you get this whole damned tab every day.

If you guys havent checked out Ground Demand you're a bunch of pussies. Theyre farken hard.

Link (new window)

blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

meatofmystery: /that said, your music taste is no better than anyone else. this whole argument is farking pointless. let the metal fans have their ONE BLOODY LINK EVERY SUNDAY. the rest of you get this whole damned tab every day.

Thank you.

Once again, w. Have to wait to get about a hundred posts in to get past this tired shiat argument that happens every week..

nicoffeine: I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Prove it or GTFO.

I'm serious - how do you train your voice to do this? Is there a trick?

nicoffeine: blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Not to be an ass or anything, but I don't think you can. Most people just say they can and get a hoarse throat after 30 seconds of "yelling" what they think sounds anything like grunting/growling. (I know this, cause I can't do it)

cabritosaurio: nicoffeine: blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Not to be an ass or anything, but I don't think you can. Most people just say they can and get a hoarse throat after 30 seconds of "yelling" what they think sounds anything like grunting/growling. (I know this, cause I can't do it)

I have a friend who has been training himself to do this stuff well and for longer than 30 seconds. After about two years, he is almost gotten good.

/It takes time and practice to do this kind of stuff.

Tantrum: nicoffeine: I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Prove it or GTFO.

...really? You're gonna kick me out, or something?

SPna15: cabritosaurio: nicoffeine: blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Not to be an ass or anything, but I don't think you can. Most people just say they can and get a hoarse throat after 30 seconds of "yelling" what they think sounds anything like grunting/growling. (I know this, cause I can't do it)

I have a friend who has been training himself to do this stuff well and for longer than 30 seconds. After about two years, he is almost gotten good.

/It takes time and practice to do this kind of stuff.

Yups, you have to practice a lot, I just don't get it though. One of my best friends was total shiat a couple of years ago. He sounded awful, but now he's actually pretty good. I , on the other hand, still can't get the technique down, so I stick to playing guitar.

BigSnatch: ZeroCorpse: I just can't believe anyone likes this stuff past their 17th birthday. This is really aimed at adolescent boys; Discordant, angry, angsty butt-rock for guys who think it sounds "badass" when it's really just a travesty and a crime against musical theory.

What the hell do you think you know about music theory?

Probably less than he does about trolling.

/you been had

cabritosaurio: SPna15: cabritosaurio: nicoffeine: blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Not to be an ass or anything, but I don't think you can. Most people just say they can and get a hoarse throat after 30 seconds of "yelling" what they think sounds anything like grunting/growling. (I know this, cause I can't do it)

I have a friend who has been training himself to do this stuff well and for longer than 30 seconds. After about two years, he is almost gotten good.

/It takes time and practice to do this kind of stuff.

Yups, you have to practice a lot, I just don't get it though. One of my best friends was total shiat a couple of years ago. He sounded awful, but now he's actually pretty good. I , on the other hand, still can't get the technique down, so I stick to playing guitar.

All it really does take is practice. The "technique," as far as I've found, Is controlling the bottom of your tongue (where it attaches to the throat). It goes against your singing intuition, which is to use your voice box, so it just takes getting used to.

nicoffeine: \
All it really does take is practice. The "technique," as far as I've found, Is controlling the bottom of your tongue (where it attaches to the throat). It goes against your singing intuition, which is to use your voice box, so it just takes getting used to.

I've tried it in the past, and the attempts tend to wind up with me saying "ouch", and not trying again anytime soon :P

I am a rather lousy (imo) singer, but I can sing eons better than I can do the growl thing.

nicoffeine: cabritosaurio: SPna15: cabritosaurio: nicoffeine: blubaldnuglee: ">
/Doesn't like harsh vocals, but realizes that it takes talent to do them.

I have no talent whatsoever. I couldn't carry a tune with a moving truck. I can do it.

Not to be an ass or anything, but I don't think you can. Most people just say they can and get a hoarse throat after 30 seconds of "yelling" what they think sounds anything like grunting/growling. (I know this, cause I can't do it)

I have a friend who has been training himself to do this stuff well and for longer than 30 seconds. After about two years, he is almost gotten good.

/It takes time and practice to do this kind of stuff.

Yups, you have to practice a lot, I just don't get it though. One of my best friends was total shiat a couple of years ago. He sounded awful, but now he's actually pretty good. I , on the other hand, still can't get the technique down, so I stick to playing guitar.

All it really does take is practice. The "technique," as far as I've found, Is controlling the bottom of your tongue (where it attaches to the throat). It goes against your singing intuition, which is to use your voice box, so it just takes getting used to.

You're not going to sound good right off of the bat, and chances are you will sound like cookie monster. The longer you do it, the more power/depth you can get out of it. Back when I recorded an album in 2000, I did all of my vocal tracks in one 8-hour day. All I had was some chocolate milk between takes. We were paying for studio time so there were sparsely little breaks. At that point I had already been working those vox for 8 years.

/thanks Bro, I know it was a cool story.

My wife listens to bands that sound like this...Oberth, Soilwerk.....but to me its like Emo in metal clothing.

Screech..... "Why did you leave me....I feel so alone" = Emo

Corpsegrinder grunt...."Why did you leave me...I feel so alone" = Metal

dadio86: I'm serious - how do you train your voice to do this? Is there a trick?

Here's the trick:
Gargle bleach everyday for 15 minutes. Then run full force into a table at waist height while screaming out different monosyllable sounds and record it. Trust me on this, I used to do tracking for many big death metal bands and even saw George Fisher himself not only attest to this method, but even take it a step farther when he would swallow lit cigarettes. If you were to see the inside of a lot of these guys' throats, you would be both shocked and amazed at the commitment that they have to their art. But such is the way of metal...

Remember when the SHMHC threads used to be more about metal fans suggesting new bands to check out and less about pointless, ridiculous biatching? Good times...

/getting all my new metal recommendations from Number of the Blog these days. Thanks gents!

Gratch: I much prefer this Veil of Maya (new window), thanks.

Much indeed.

I know I'm late, but I FINALLY got the new Overkill and it is absolutely farking awesome. Definitely an early entrant for my Top 10.

godiluvbeer: I know I'm late, but I FINALLY got the new Overkill and it is absolutely farking awesome. Definitely an early entrant for my Top 10.

Up there with the new Immolation. Which is farking awesome, might I add.