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2010-03-14 11:15:38 AM
The Office Suck Now.


/getting that out of the way
//it's not that bad, but Erin/Andy is pure cancer.
 
2010-03-14 11:21:04 AM
Creed is the funniest character on that show.
 
2010-03-14 11:25:15 AM
Creed deserves a spin-off show. He's the most underrated character on The Office.

/still likes The Office
 
2010-03-14 11:32:11 AM
FeedTheCollapse: //it's not that bad, but Erin/Andy is pure cancer.

Oh dear God, last week's episode was painful.

/and I love the show
 
2010-03-14 11:39:26 AM
Goonie_Goo_Goo: Creed deserves a spin-off show. He's the most underrated character on The Office.

/still likes The Office


My wife and I discussed this one and decided he's best the way he is. He's a comedy ninja. Swoops in from nowhere hits you with something brilliant and is gone. If they over did him he wouldn't be nearly as hilarious anymore.

I mean, think of on The Simpsons how not funny characters like Disco Stu and Gil became when they started overusing them.
 
2010-03-14 11:40:09 AM
A lot of jazz cats are blind. But they can play the piano like nobody's business. I'd like to put the piano in front of Pam, without her glasses, and see what happens. I'd also like to see her topless.
 
2010-03-14 11:43:16 AM
FeedTheCollapse: The Office Suck Now.


/getting that out of the way
//it's not that bad, but Erin/Andy is pure cancer.


Yes, it is that bad now.

The Office was one of my favorite shows, for the first 4 seasons or whatever it was. The current season has completely gone to shiat.

There is no way that a show dramatically loses all quality like this just for no reason, it happens because there has been a major change in the writing/directing of the show. Probably they lost some key writers, and whoever is left doesn't have the talent to make the show good anymore.
 
2010-03-14 11:43:31 AM
The Pam/Jim storyline railroaded The Office. The writers think the audience has a big emotional investment into Pam and Jim's relationship. Doesn't help that John Krasinski is the Keanu Reeves of television.
 
2010-03-14 11:49:57 AM
REO-Weedwagon: Actually I would argue that his acting on the baby episode was emmy caliber,,
 
2010-03-14 11:52:03 AM
strongbadd: REO-Weedwagon: Actually I would argue that his acting on the baby episode was emmy caliber,,

Yeah, I agree with you, there were some nice scenes. Sometimes I wonder if maybe the show never quite knew how to solidify his character.
 
2010-03-14 12:02:25 PM
I skipped over this headline before. Music tab with a headline beginning with "An interview with Creed" was enough to deflect my attention quickly.
 
2010-03-14 12:13:51 PM
you kids ever seen a foot with 7 toes?
 
2010-03-14 12:18:09 PM
I don't get the fascination with pam, she's very bland.

/her?
 
2010-03-14 12:23:05 PM
Can we hear the applause for "Very nutritious, but they smell like death"?

OK, now, can we hear the applause for "Someone makin soup?"

"Have you tried making everything smaller?"

"That's all-inclusive."

"When I was 15 I was in an iron lung."

"Let's put a SMILE on that FACE!"

*massaging Jim's shoulders, hissing "...One more week..."
 
2010-03-14 12:27:03 PM
2chris2: The Office was one of my favorite shows, for the first 4 seasons or whatever it was. The current season has completely gone to shiat.

I have mixed feelings about the show. Last season was farking utterly dire and this season is an obvious improvement. The show's still funny, but it's mixed with rather boneheaded storylines. The past few episodes have been pretty funny, yet also cringeworthy at the same time (see: the cancer that is Erin/Andy.). But yeah, the show's definitely directionless now. It's obvious that the writers have no foresight as it's obvious when they figure out that their storyarchs aren't going anywhere and they abruptly stop it.
 
2010-03-14 12:30:15 PM
I like the fifth season more than either the fourth or sixth. "Stress Relief," "Lecture Circuit," "Crime Aid," and the six episodes detailing the rise and fall of the Michael Scott Paper Company?
 
2010-03-14 12:39:27 PM
joeyromeo: I like the fifth season more than either the fourth or sixth. "Stress Relief," "Lecture Circuit," "Crime Aid," and the six episodes detailing the rise and fall of the Michael Scott Paper Company?

that season was terrible, especially since Season 4 was probably their best season.Season 5 of the Office was probably one of the worst seasons of any show I consistently watch and enjoy. So many bad story-archs that just went nowhere and ended abruptly. And with Michael whining like a biatch every episode...
 
2010-03-14 12:42:16 PM
Creed's great and used just the right amount. There should be another Creed-centric set of webisodes, imo.
 
2010-03-14 12:45:36 PM
FeedTheCollapse: that season was terrible, especially since Season 4 was probably their best season.Season 5 of the Office was probably one of the worst seasons of any show I consistently watch and enjoy. So many bad story-archs that just went nowhere and ended abruptly. And with Michael whining like a biatch every episode...


Apart from being an uneven and directionless season, in season 5 it became obvious that the writers didn't know what to do with Pam anymore.
 
2010-03-14 12:52:31 PM
Master of the Flying Guillotine: Apart from being an uneven and directionless season, in season 5 it became obvious that the writers didn't know what to do with Pam anymore.

the whole Pam Going to Art School subplot was the first in a series of Subplots That Go Nowhere that plagued that season (see also: Michael Scott Paper Company, Holly, Jan being pregnant, etc.) Pam going to art school probably wouldn't have been all that interesting, but they introduced so many obvious plot setups (i.e. Pam's "friend") that basically just abruptly ended with "I quit art school". Maybe if there was a natural follow-through with ending the bad subplots rather than seeing an obvious point where the writers realised they didn't think the story all the way through an unceremoniously end the plot, it might work...
 
2010-03-14 01:00:51 PM
What was so Go Nowhere about the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes?

Seems like a proper literary arc for me:

1. New guard comes in who Michael doesn't like
2. Charles Wallace takes Michael for granted, Michael quits
3. Michael starts his own company and uses his already-established superhuman sales skills (and lower prices than DM) to steal most of Dunder-Mifflin's clients
4. Michael cannot stay afloat offering these prices, but DM doesn't know this, so DM feels compelled to buy them out
5. DM buys out MSPC, Wallace respects Michael anew, Pam becomes a salesman, changing the dynamic of the show (for better or worse)

Seems like it went somewhere to me, but, if you hate something, having it explained won't make you like it.
 
2010-03-14 01:06:13 PM
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"Swansons have a preternaturally high tolerance for alcohol. My old man used to put Wild Turkey on his cornflakes."
 
2010-03-14 01:11:17 PM
Ron Farking Swanson and Creed are two completely different characters. How dare you compare the two.

Good day, sir.

I said Good day!
 
2010-03-14 01:11:56 PM
joeyromeo: What was so Go Nowhere about the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes?

maybe I should've field Michael Scott Paper Company under the Stupid Plot category instead. Especially since it required Pam to act completely counter to her normal character. That's not expanding the character, it's just bad writing. Pam should've known it was a bad idea.

I'm also sick of them forcing the idea that Michael Scott is some hotshot salesman, no matter how many times they have to spell out that plot detail. Considering he's a social retard, my guess is that Michael is the kind of salesman that can sell a lemon solely by leaving out pertinent information; which will only result in pissing off the client when they realise they purchased a lemon.


Either way, the MSPC wasn't nearly as funny as it should've been and just felt like a subplot that would basically die out after 3 episodes and never be referenced again. (Which was probably why I initially lumped it in with the Go Nowhere Plots. Did we ever hear from Jan again?)
 
2010-03-14 01:14:17 PM
joeyromeo: What was so Go Nowhere about the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes?

Seems like a proper literary arc for me:

1. New guard comes in who Michael doesn't like
2. Charles Wallace takes Michael for granted, Michael quits
3. Michael starts his own company and uses his already-established superhuman sales skills (and lower prices than DM) to steal most of Dunder-Mifflin's clients
4. Michael cannot stay afloat offering these prices, but DM doesn't know this, so DM feels compelled to buy them out
5. DM buys out MSPC, Wallace respects Michael anew, Pam becomes a salesman, changing the dynamic of the show (for better or worse)

Seems like it went somewhere to me, but, if you hate something, having it explained won't make you like it.



Where did the go-somewhere story go at the end of the arc? Oh yeah, everyone goes back to Dunder Mifflin; with Michael getting his old job back and Ryan back in the office again. No progress made, the status quo is in place.

And then you have to wonder why Pam would agree to work with Michael on something so silly, especially after becoming so with-it and self-assured by the end of season 3 and happy but ambitious by the end of season 4 (again, season 5 shows the writers don't know what to do with Pam after a certain point).

And another problem is revealed in this arc: Michael is never allowed to grow as a character because the show needs him to be zany. Some zaniness works (cafe disco) but starting his own paper company, not so much. Five years of the show and after all he's been through with Jan and his second job and Holly and whatnot, and this is what he does?
 
2010-03-14 01:23:26 PM
Goonie_Goo_Goo: Creed deserves a spin-off show. He's the most underrated character on The Office.

/still likes The Office


Agreed. Creed doesn't say a lot. But when he does, it's comedy gold.
 
2010-03-14 01:27:22 PM
the office needs less story anyway. it's plainly obvious that actual plots don't work for this show. no two episodes should really link each other in a major way. ongoing subplots suck in the office.

/morefunny
//lessdrama
 
2010-03-14 01:48:04 PM
I'm surprised by all the Office hate.

Other than the clip show, there have been very few episodes I didn't enjoy.
 
2010-03-14 02:01:41 PM
I've been involved in a number of cults both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader.
 
2010-03-14 02:09:04 PM
The Office has absolutely no direction anymore, and IMO, should have ended with the wedding.

I couldve sworn they were slowly turning Andy gay until they brought in the new secretary.

Just end it already, it had a good run.
 
2010-03-14 02:18:47 PM
Brooklyn Irish Mets Fan: The Office has absolutely no direction anymore, and IMO, should have ended with the wedding.

I couldve sworn they were slowly turning Andy gay until they brought in the new secretary.

Just end it already, it had a good run.


I agree, it should have ended with the wedding. The basic subplot of the shoe was Jim getting Pam. Now he has her, AND a baby. Time to end it.
 
2010-03-14 02:26:42 PM
I had no idea his name was actually William Charles Schneider.

"Creed Bratton has never declared bankruptcy. When Creed Bratton gets in trouble, he transfers his debt to William Charles Schneider."
 
2010-03-14 02:49:49 PM
Which one's Pam?
 
2010-03-14 03:15:11 PM
Latest album was pretty good.
Have to watch all of the episodes again Creed is Hilarious in the background.

"You know a Human can go on living for several hours after being decapitated"
"You're thinking of a Chicken"
"What did I say?"
 
2010-03-14 03:16:24 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-14 03:17:12 PM
'the iconic 1960s folk rock group the Grass Roots'?

I don't think the write knows what the word 'iconic' means...
 
2010-03-14 03:26:18 PM
diadelsuerte: I had no idea his name was actually William Charles Schneider.

"Creed Bratton has never declared bankruptcy. When Creed Bratton gets in trouble, he transfers his debt to William Charles Schneider."


i282.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-14 03:31:40 PM
douchebag/hater: 'the iconic 1960s folk rock group the Grass Roots'?

I don't think the write knows what the word 'iconic' means...


Like Three Dog Night, the Grass Roots are underrated but not iconic. To be iconic, you have to have a stronger cultural impact.
 
2010-03-14 04:14:50 PM
joeyromeo: What was so Go Nowhere about the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes?

Seems like a proper literary arc for me:
2. Charles Wallace takes Michael for granted, Michael quits


David Wallace.
 
2010-03-14 04:22:43 PM
REO-Weedwagon: The Pam/Jim storyline railroaded The Office. The writers think the audience has a big emotional investment into Pam and Jim's relationship. Doesn't help that John Krasinski is the Keanu Reeves of television.

For me, that story ended at the end of Season 3 (about where the British series ended). Whenever I've watched The Office lately, it's struck me how conventional and prudish Jim has become. He still has the same old boring dead-end job, but now that he has a wife and family, he actually takes it seriously. Whether the writers are aware of this or not, the series has evolved from comedy into tragedy, and Jim Halpert is slowly but surely becoming Willy Loman.
 
2010-03-14 04:46:12 PM
"An interview with Creed"

How many people just stopped reading and caring there?
 
2010-03-14 04:48:20 PM
"If Pam gets Michael's old chair, I get Pam's old chair. Then I'll have two chairs. Only one more to go..."
 
2010-03-14 05:02:45 PM
there4igraham: joeyromeo: What was so Go Nowhere about the Michael Scott Paper Company episodes?

Seems like a proper literary arc for me:
2. Charles Wallace takes Michael for granted, Michael quits


David Wallace.


Guess my mind was still on Charles Miner from Step 1.
 
2010-03-14 05:13:31 PM
"I'm not offended by homosexuality. In the 60's, I made love to many, many women. Often outdoors... in the mud and the rain. And it's possible a man slipped in. There would be no way of knowing."
 
2010-03-14 05:42:25 PM
"Au naturelle, baby. That's how I like 'em. Swing low sweet chariots."
 
2010-03-14 05:45:51 PM
Whoever writes for Creed should be hired for a spin-off immediately.

He gets maybe one line of dialog an episode, and it's always gold.

My favorite two both come from the "Phyllis gets flashed" ep:

"I go to the woman's bathroom to do number two. I've been caught several times and I have paid dearly."

"The guy was just hanging brains... what's all the fuss?"
 
2010-03-14 06:05:14 PM
ParadisePornoTheater: douchebag/hater: 'the iconic 1960s folk rock group the Grass Roots'?

I don't think the write knows what the word 'iconic' means...

Like Three Dog Night, the Grass Roots are underrated but not iconic. To be iconic, you have to have a stronger cultural impact.


I had to look him up...

Yeah, this guy was a member of the hitmaking, second version of the Grass Roots. He played on some pretty damn good songs.
 
2010-03-14 07:25:14 PM
"Nobody steals from Creed Bratton and gets away with it. The last person to do this disappeared. His name? Creed Bratton."

That being said, I'd be Ok if the Office wrapped it up this year. They've told their story, we've seen the characters, we've watched them grow, and in some cases, had demonstrations that they'll never grow. Much as I love the Office, it should... no, deserves to end better than other shows that jumped the shark and continued numbly plowing forward for as many more seasons as they can eek out of the network.

And also, I hold high hopes that my pilot for "Creed Bratton: Scranton PI" will get picked up.
 
2010-03-14 08:35:42 PM
drake113: Much as I love the Office, it should... no, deserves to end better than other shows that jumped the shark and continued numbly plowing forward for as many more seasons as they can eek out of the network.

I'd like that too, but it's gone well beyond that point now and it's been picked up for another season. I think at this point they just need to press the "big red button" (as Greg Daniels put it) and have them release the documentary as the season finale. Spend next season showing the aftermath of it and end the series.

I've said it once, I'll say it again: the last line of the show should have been Pam's "I'm sorry, what was the question?" at the end of season 3. At that point, everything was more or less wrapped up and it would have been a classy end to a great TV series instead of jumping the shark/kidnapping the pizza boy/driving into the lake.
 
2010-03-14 08:39:34 PM
All you people saying The Office should have wrapped up after the wedding, you're obviously missing the fact that this is an American show. They don't stop until they're dead and buried.
 
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